Is this racist?

The models mum says not...she tells people to "get over it".



"The mother of a child model at the centre of a storm after being photographed in a "racist" hoodie has told critics to "get over it".
Swedish fashion giant H&M faced widespread criticism after an image of a black child modelling a top bearing the slogan "coolest monkey in the jungle" appeared on its website.
The retailer apologised over the incident and said it had removed the image from its website and that the hoodie was no longer available to buy"



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/get-over-it-says-mother-of-boy-in-row-over-racist-handm-hoodie/ar-BBIeXbY?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp

The more people bang on about words being offensive the more those words will seperate and divide.

It's just a word that was offensive but shouldn't be any more. Good on his mum and good for him making money from his good looks.

Someone always see things in everything. If the child was white nothing would be said.

I see nothing wrong here, the mother was right.

I'm actually the coolest monkey in the jungle.

Hmmmm, on the other hand black people have been insulted for decades by people telling them to get back to the jungle, calling them monkeys, throwing bananas at black players on the football field etc.

If it was my little lad, I wouldnt let him model a sweatshirt with that particular logo.
I wouldnt buy it either.

Thing is Syl, times have changed. Kids, black or white have been called little monkeys when playing up. I've called my grandkids it, its just a word.

The mum probably never heard of the insults about the jungle etc.

So much of whether a word should be considered "racist" is in the actual context that is used in...

The word "monkey" is not "racist" when it is used by children and about children and with children in the context of an actual monkey in the jungle, re:  Jungle Book, Kimba, Madagascar, etc.

It is racist when we see Smelly' using it against Obama or his missus, or Stormee using it anywhere;  or where groups of Indian cricket fans use it to slag of any dark-skinned/negro opposition players  --  as seen in some televised internationals..


The word "Paki" is simply shorthand for Pakistani in many parts of the world, often used by Pakistanis themselves, yet it has become a "derogatory" term over there in Britain --  apparently because some self-declared p/c police deem it as such, without actually asking any Pakistanis for their input  ?  Likewise with some English people now too scared to use the proper/correct word negro, because it's too close to "the 'n' word" ?

Likewise, I've seen people overseas, even on here, using terms like "Abo" and "boong" online --  apparently unaware that they had become derogatory and unwanted terms down here in Oz, because of the way that the racist cliques use them..   The term "wog" was a derogatory term used against European immigrants after WWII,  but during the 1970s and '80s a lot of 1st-generation born Aussies, especially with Italian or Greek parents, started using it to describe themselves  !


Again, a good measure of whether a word is being used in a 'racist' manner comes down to who is using it, and where --  if it's Smelly, or was Stormee, or sometimes Tommy, then there's a good chance that a suspect word is deliberately being used to offend..

Some of the t-shirts and sweatshirts coming out of some Asian factories these days would also be seen to be in some ways offensive if sold over in Britain or Europe, or in the North America or Oz or NZ , without being recognised as such in many other markets...

Mags, I think its because times have changed that the sweatshirt isnt really appropriate anymore, and especially inappropriate to be modelled by a black child.

Would it be acceptable for him to model a jumper with a gollywog on the front?

I think its because people have long said its racist, so now that's the in word.

I think golliwogs would be ok, I never saw a golliwogs as a black person anyway.

There needs to be a change in what we think. If his mum had no qualms, no one else can complain.

I do get where you're coming Syl, but are you offended for you or the little boy.

magica wrote:I think its because people have long said its racist, so now that's the in word.

I think golliwogs would be ok, I never saw a golliwogs as a black person anyway.

There needs to be a change in what we think. If his mum had no qualms, no one else can complain.

I never saw a golly as racist either, I had one and I loved him.
But...times have changed, and if a whole raft of society finds some symbols and words offensive, I just dont see the point in still using them because they were deemed OK 50 years ago.

For Wolfe. What's a boong, I've never heard of that before.

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:I think its because people have long said its racist, so now that's the in word.

I think golliwogs would be ok, I never saw a golliwogs as a black person anyway.

There needs to be a change in what we think. If his mum had no qualms, no one else can complain.

I never saw a golly as racist either, I had one and I loved him.
But...times have changed, and if a whole raft of society finds some symbols and words offensive, I just dont see the point in still using them because they were deemed OK 50 years ago.

I get that Syl, but I don't see this racist. Maybe it's just me.

magica wrote:I do get where you're coming Syl, but are you offended for you or the little boy.

I suppose I am offended in the same way I would be if I heard someone call a black person ni**er, or a gay person queer....offended on their behalf.

magica wrote:

Syl wrote:

I never saw a golly as racist either, I had one and I loved him.
But...times have changed, and if a whole raft of society finds some symbols and words offensive, I just dont see the point in still using them because they were deemed OK 50 years ago.

I get that Syl, but I don't see this racist.  Maybe it's just me.

Nope, definately not just you, Eddie and the lads mum agree with you.

Yet his mum isn't offended, so no one else should be on his behalf.

Monkey and n---er are worlds apart. n---er is offensive to us, but not to one black man to another.

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:

I get that Syl, but I don't see this racist.  Maybe it's just me.

Nope, definately not just you, Eddie and the lads mum agree with you.

Lol

Night Mags...sleep well. x

Night night Syl xx

It would be funnier is it said "Coolest cracker in the world."

magica wrote:For Wolfe. What's a boong, I've never heard of that before.

a super racist word for Aboriginal, from past generations

veya_victaous wrote:

magica wrote:For Wolfe. What's a boong, I've never heard of that before.

a super racist word for Aboriginal, from past generations
 

Yep...

A lot of the past more racist words down here have gradually faded out of common use since the 1980s;  usually replaced by the Aborigines' own term 'Koori' in general use  --  though, technically, the name "Kooris" refers to those indigenous folks who live south of the Hawkesbury River  (i.e. southern NSW, Victoria and Tasmania..)  --  those Aboriginal groups in northern regions and western regions recognise themselves by other names (like Murri, and Tiki, for example..), yet again..

Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders might also occasionally refer to themselves as "blacks" or "black felles"  --   but an obvious complication there is that Africans, Pacific Islanders, and New Guinea and Solomon Island natives, are also labelled as "blacks".

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

So much of whether a word should be considered "racist" is in the actual context that is used in...

The word "monkey" is not "racist" when it is used by children and about children and with children in the context of an actual monkey in the jungle, re:  Jungle Book, Kimba, Madagascar, etc.

It is racist when we see Smelly' using it against Obama or his missus, or Stormee using it anywhere;  or where groups of Indian cricket fans use it to slag of any dark-skinned/negro opposition players  --  as seen in some televised internationals..


The word "Paki" is simply shorthand for Pakistani in many parts of the world, often used by Pakistanis themselves, yet it has become a "derogatory" term over there in Britain --  apparently because some self-declared p/c police deem it as such, without actually asking any Pakistanis for their input  ?  Likewise with some English people now too scared to use the proper/correct word negro, because it's too close to "the 'n' word" ?

Likewise, I've seen people overseas, even on here, using terms like "Abo" and "boong" online --  apparently unaware that they had become derogatory and unwanted terms down here in Oz, because of the way that the racist cliques use them..   The term "wog" was a derogatory term used against European immigrants after WWII,  but during the 1970s and '80s a lot of 1st-generation born Aussies, especially with Italian or Greek parents, started using it to describe themselves  !


Again, a good measure of whether a word is being used in a 'racist' manner comes down to who is using it, and where --  if it's Smelly, or was Stormee, or sometimes Tommy, then there's a good chance that a suspect word is deliberately being used to offend..

Some of the t-shirts and sweatshirts coming out of some Asian factories these days would also be seen to be in some ways offensive if sold over in Britain or Europe, or in the North America or Oz or NZ , without being recognised as such in many other markets...

That's a pretty fair post.

I agree !

Thanx  Veya and thanx Wolfie for your good explanation.

I'm not sure what the overall opinion is on here about the sweat shirt.


I personally think it could be construed in a racially mocking way, so its certainly ill advised to have a young black lad model it, whether his mother agrees or not...maybe she was just thinking of the £££ signs.

Its not just the word, its the way people will see it...TART is just a word, but no decent parent would let their little girl walk round with "The coolest tart in the playground' emblazoned across the front.  

I just bought you a tshirt with that on!

Syl wrote:I'm not sure what the overall opinion is on here about the sweat shirt.


I personally think it could be construed in a racially mocking way, so  its certainly ill advised to have a young black lad model it, whether his mother agrees or not...maybe she was just thinking of the £££ signs.

Its not just the word, its the way people will see it...TART is just a word, but no decent parent would let their little girl walk round with "The coolest tart in the playground' emblazoned across the front.  

I agree, when you think of the number of black footballers who have monkey noises made at them and bananas thrown at them, it puts the words on the shirt into context. Just put into google: black footballers monkey noises bananas, it's an eye opener.

sassy wrote:

Syl wrote:I'm not sure what the overall opinion is on here about the sweat shirt.


I personally think it could be construed in a racially mocking way, so  its certainly ill advised to have a young black lad model it, whether his mother agrees or not...maybe she was just thinking of the £££ signs.

Its not just the word, its the way people will see it...TART is just a word, but no decent parent would let their little girl walk round with "The coolest tart in the playground' emblazoned across the front.  

I agree, when you think of the number of black footballers who have monkey noises made at them and bananas thrown at them, it puts the words on the shirt into context.   Just put into google:  black footballers monkey noises bananas, it's an eye opener.

Sassy, I agree 100%, I mentioned the racism football players have to put up with earlier in the thread.
To be honest I cant understand why some people cant see the insult this is, to have a black kid model the top.
That little lad is 5, I doubt he would want to model it in 5 or 10 years time if he had the choice.
His mothers attitude, telling people to "get over it" seems odd to me.

magica wrote:I just bought you a tshirt with that on!

NO DONT......Surely you remember the uproar there was when someone else on a forum bought me a T shirt.

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:I just bought you a tshirt with that on!

NO DONT......Surely you remember the uproar there was when someone else on a forum bought me a T shirt.

Oh yeah, thought you might want a duster

Original Quill wrote:It would be funnier is it said "Coolest cracker in the world."

Not really the same as 'cracker' is completely only a derogatory racist word from blacks against whites... whereas, I as a white English child growing up, was often referred to as 'a little monkey', as were plenty of other young children... it's always been a playfull and endearing term used by parent/guardian etc towards a child...

eddie wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

So much of whether a word should be considered "racist" is in the actual context that is used in...

The word "monkey" is not "racist" when it is used by children and about children and with children in the context of an actual monkey in the jungle, re:  Jungle Book, Kimba, Madagascar, etc.

It is racist when we see Smelly' using it against Obama or his missus, or Stormee using it anywhere;  or where groups of Indian cricket fans use it to slag of any dark-skinned/negro opposition players  --  as seen in some televised internationals..


The word "Paki" is simply shorthand for Pakistani in many parts of the world, often used by Pakistanis themselves, yet it has become a "derogatory" term over there in Britain --  apparently because some self-declared p/c police deem it as such, without actually asking any Pakistanis for their input  ?  Likewise with some English people now too scared to use the proper/correct word negro, because it's too close to "the 'n' word" ?

Likewise, I've seen people overseas, even on here, using terms like "Abo" and "boong" online --  apparently unaware that they had become derogatory and unwanted terms down here in Oz, because of the way that the racist cliques use them..   The term "wog" was a derogatory term used against European immigrants after WWII,  but during the 1970s and '80s a lot of 1st-generation born Aussies, especially with Italian or Greek parents, started using it to describe themselves  !


Again, a good measure of whether a word is being used in a 'racist' manner comes down to who is using it, and where --  if it's Smelly, or was Stormee, or sometimes Tommy, then there's a good chance that a suspect word is deliberately being used to offend..

Some of the t-shirts and sweatshirts coming out of some Asian factories these days would also be seen to be in some ways offensive if sold over in Britain or Europe, or in the North America or Oz or NZ , without being recognised as such in many other markets...

That's a pretty fair post.

Not really... either the word itself is ok to use or not... it would be whatever else was said that would be 'offensive' or not...!

Liberals are to blame of course

Who are the ones screaming racist at everyone and everything??

Liberals

You fucking inbred halfwits created this

smelly-bandit wrote:
Liberals are to blame of course

Who are the ones screaming racist at everyone and everything??

Liberals

You fucking inbred halfwits created this

"Liberals did this...
Liberals did that...
Liberals are to blame..   blah, blah, blah."

Not only are you the stupidest racist dumbfuck around here,   SmellyBrokenRecord..

You still just love to prove that you don't even know what a genuine "liberal" is !!!

For you, that's just a word to excuse your inherent cowardice, your idiotic racism, your overt love for Donnie Dumpster,  and the sad fact that you have never been laid by a real_life woman..      

Shoot the liberal mindset

Line it up against the wall and execute it with logic bullets

Since this was in the papers earlier in the week, I have read a few times that one would have to be racist themselves to see any harm in the message.

I think one would have to be thick to not see it.

smelly-bandit wrote:Shoot the liberal mindset

Line  it up against the wall and execute it with logic bullets

"Logic"  !?!

You wouldn't recognise logic if you were smacked around the head with it,  SmellyFascistFuck...

To your rancid little turd of an intellect,  racism, fascism, sexism are all somehow "logical"..

Your perverse admiration for both Trump and your beloved Apartheid says it all, really.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:Shoot the liberal mindset

Line  it up against the wall and execute it with logic bullets

"Logic"  !?!

You wouldn't recognise logic if you were smacked around the head with it,  SmellyFascistFuck...

To your rancid little turd of an intellect,  racism, fascism, sexism are all somehow "logical"..

Your perverse admiration for both Trump and your beloved Apartheid says it all, really.

And posts like this are why decent threads are killed stone dead.

Would this be 'racist' if it were a young white boy wearing it...?


Would there be blacks or leftys out protesting about that...?

Tommy Monk wrote:Would this be 'racist' if it were a young white boy wearing it...?


Would there be blacks or leftys out protesting about that...?

Its a good point, and personally I dont see how it could be seen as racist if a white kid wore it.
But H&M are either very naive or looking for publicity (which backfired on them) to use a black kid to model it.

Syl wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Would this be 'racist' if it were a young white boy wearing it...?


Would there be blacks or leftys out protesting about that...?

Its a good point, and personally I dont see how it could be seen as racist if a white kid wore it.
But H&M are either very naive or looking for publicity (which backfired on them) to use a black kid to model it.

But 'we're all the same' aren't we...?


And 'all the same race'...?


And all equally genetically DNA closely related to apes, aren't we...?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl wrote:

Its a good point, and personally I dont see how it could be seen as racist if a white kid wore it.
But H&M are either very naive or looking for publicity (which backfired on them) to use a black kid to model it.

But 'we're all the same' aren't we...?


And 'all the same race'...?


And all equally genetically DNA closely related to apes, aren't we...?

Some are more closely related to apes than others Tommy, but I dont think skin colour is the deciding factor.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Would this be 'racist' if it were a young white boy wearing it...?


Would there be blacks or leftys out protesting about that...?

Its a good point, and personally I dont see how it could be seen as racist if a white kid wore it.
But H&M are either very naive or looking for publicity (which backfired on them) to use a black kid to model it.

But 'we're all the same' aren't we...?


And 'all the same race'...?


And all equally genetically DNA closely related to apes, aren't we...?

why do Snowflakes like you and smelly keep saying that????

equality does not mean 'all the same'