America not racist, liberals are racist

Stupid "Tea Party/"alt.right .black' racist cow can't even spell "Detroit"...

Says wonders for her education..

A litany of white-supremacists' attempts to manipulate the black vote.  The irony is that they (the enemy) assume blacks are dumb, so they believe this works.

More RW elitism.

Original Quill wrote:A litany of white-supremacists' attempts to manipulate the black vote.  The irony is that they (the enemy) assume blacks are dumb, so they believe this works.

More RW elitism.

Its the Democrats that treat African Americans as dumb. They like those who pushed for Brexit, use fear, just as trump uses fear. Making them completely the same.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:A litany of white-supremacists' attempts to manipulate the black vote.  The irony is that they (the enemy) assume blacks are dumb, so they believe this works.

More RW elitism.

Its the Democrats that treat African Americans as dumb. They like those who pused for Brexit, use fear, just as trump uses fear. Making them completely the same.

Actually, this is the very tactic that was used by Trump, and still is: create an alternate reality.  Use pseudo-psychotwist arguments (guilt, anger, center-city disappointment) that make no sense.  The trick here is to enhance the divide between the white condition and the minority condition. Instead of joining with minority voters, he preached to them.  During the campaign, his argument to blacks and minorities was, you could do better.  Contrast how he talked to whites: We Will Make America Great Again.

Notice that it's the same old 'we/they' perspective when talking to minorities.  Donald Trump, while urging blacks and minorities to change their perspective, cannot bring himself to join blacks and minorities...he still preaches from afar.  It's the very alienation that is at the heart of racist views.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Its the Democrats that treat African Americans as dumb. They like those who pused for Brexit, use fear, just as trump uses fear. Making them completely the same.

Actually, this is the very tactic that was used by Trump, and still is: create an alternate reality.  Use pseudo-psychotwist arguments (guilt, anger, center-city disappointment) that make no sense.  Moreover, instead of joining with minority voters, he preached to them.  During the campaign, his argument to blacks and minorities was, you could do better.  Contrast how he talked to whites: We Will Make America Great Again.

Notice that it's the same old 'we/they' perspective when talking to minorities.  Donald Trump, while urging blacks and minorities to change their perspective, cannot bring himself to join blacks and minorities...he still preaches from afar.  It's the very alienation that is at the heart of racist views.

That is exactly what democrats do and you do daily, with your rants claiming Americans are inherantly racist.
You do not look to bridge divides, but instead instill an ethos of segregation and hate. To be honest, you are no better than smelly. Two hateful people on opposite ends of the same spectrum.

As far as I am concerned both the Republican and Democrats are idiots, actually continually fueling discord between the American people. 

I find that abhorant

Didge wrote:That is exactly what democrats do and you do daily, with your rants claiming Americans are inherantly racist.

You are conflating ideology with tactics.  America is ideologically racist because, after all, it was born in virtual slavery.  But these pseudo-psychological arguments are really no more than campaign tactics.

But the 'we/they' perspective is telling.  Republicanism is, at its core, elitist.  And, of course, who better to be elitist over than people of darker skin color.  It feeds right into past perspectives, to a nation that has grown up believing in the superiority of white skin over brown skin.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:That is exactly what democrats do and you do daily, with your rants claiming Americans are inherantly racist.

You are conflating ideology with tactics.  America is ideologically racist because, after all, it was born in virtual slavery.  But these pseudo-psychological arguments are really no more than campaign tactics.

But the 'we/they' perspective is telling.  Republicanism is, at its core, elitist.  And, of course, who better to be elitist over but people of darker skin color.  It feeds right into past perspectives, to a nation that has grown up believing in the superiority of white skin over brown skin.

Its the same retarded argument you always use.

The weapon of choice for the left.

Guilt.

A guilt of the past, that many Americans have never gotten over, of which none today are responsible for and yet as seen above, you wish to instill a fear through this guilt, by castigating a view of all Americans.

You are nothing more than the by-product of abrahamic ethics, that instills a belief around guilt, as both western and eastern cultures are formed from. Its the belief that you are born not doing wrong, but that you will do wrong, based upon the past. Its based off past fears or fears that could come. 

Its the same poor argument, that keeps people at odds with each other and what has caused brexit, and Trump coming to power.

This fear is so ingrained within us, that if we see the Police or even a traffic warden, are ingrained view, is to act in defense, as if we try to hide something, we have not even done wrong. Its how society is engineered to believe and think and how two sides perpeutally engage in this phoney war. That being the Democrats and the Republicans. Each using a victim status off people.

Guilt is such a wasted emotion, which constantly is fed by fear. It never solves any problems, but actually continues those same problems.

You sadly Quill, are led by what you most fear. Someone like Trump in power. You dont look to reason to help bring about a better change in the future, but concentrate only on the now castigating people and dividing them further. Exactly the same as Trump does.

Didge wrote:A guilt of the past, that many Americans have never gotten over, of which none today are responsible for and yet as seen above, you wish to instill a fear through this guilt, by castigating a view of all Americans.

Phony psycho-babble. Why would the left feel guilt for something that the right has done? And the pro-racist right--where change is really needed--would never even respond to such tactics, in any event.

The argument that the present is never responsible for the past misperceives the whole effort. It's not an emotional argument; it's a reasoned argument. If you want to undo the past, you undertake the burden without any--as you say--guilt. It's just what is necessary.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:A guilt of the past, that many Americans have never gotten over, of which none today are responsible for and yet as seen above, you wish to instill a fear through this guilt, by castigating a view of all Americans.

Phony psycho-babble.  Why would the left feel guilt for something that the right has done?  And the pro-racist right--where change is really needed--would never even respond to such tactics, in any event.

The argument that the present is never responsible for the past misperceives the whole effort.  It's not an emotional argument; it's a reasoned argument.  If you want to undo the past, you undertake the burden without any--as you say--guilt.  It's just what is necessary.

Actually it was the religious had done.

It was the Democrats that backed slavery and fought against civil rights

Its this continual guilt that haunts the democrats, a past they cannot rewrite, but constantly look to make up revisionist history, to cloud over their past.

You are a by-product of this.

The point is you cannot undo the past and yet you continually live in the past. You want the US to remain at odds, with a divide, that has never ended, because both sides continualy fuel the same arguments from the past.

The only thing necessary, is that people stop listening to hateful people on the left and right.

We need people to find common ground, to work out differences and yet you fear this the most.

Reconcilliation between people.

Didge wrote:It was the Democrats that backed slavery and fought against civil rights.

Actually, it was southern populism. The Republican Party was originally quite reformist, until it spun off its progressive wing with Teddy Roosevelt in 1912. Then in 1964 it invented the southern strategy, and pursued the same southern elements that had started the Civil War.

The Democrats, already behind Brown v. Bd. of Education and the 1964 Civil Right Act, were shoved to the left by the southern strategy of the Republicans.

Political parties can be transitory. But themes like northern mercantilism and southern populism are relative constants.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:It was the Democrats that backed slavery and fought against civil rights.

Actually, it was southern populism.  The Republican Party was originally quite reformist, until it spun off its progressive wing with Teddy Roosevelt in 1912.  Then in 1964 it invented the southern strategy, and pursued the same southern elements that had started the Civil War.

Absolute bollocks on every level. There were radicals in the Republican party, as there was former Democrats and whips. To say it was reformist is again what the left do. Revisionist history.

I mean it took one great man, Lincoln, to keep all these different political groups together during the American civil war. Its what is great about Lincoln. How he achieved the impossible, by uniting those divided within his party. Even Lincoln was against giving African Americans equal rights under the law, but he will be remembered rightly for ending slavery.

The Southern strategy is a complete myth, often again created by those on the left to again white wash history.

You are not even making sense. You lack any education in American history.

Quill

Is this woman what you would call an uncle Tom??

Original Quill wrote:You are not even making sense.  You lack any education in American history.

Yep. Smelly is damn stupid about anything to do with the United States, He's just a troll having fun.

Original Quill wrote:You are not even making sense.  You lack any education in American history.

Really?

So again you claim i am wrong, without actually proving anything I said is wrong.

Wow

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:You are not even making sense.  You lack any education in American history.

Really?

So again you claim i am wrong, without actually proving anything I said is wrong.

Wow

Well, I could go through you post, word-for-word, and say "wrong". But why not simply issue a blanket statement to that effect?

You don't prove a 'wrong'. You just declare it. Logically, it is impossible to prove a negative. The person asserting a positive has the obligation to substantiate his positive claims.

You get what you pay for. As there is no substantiation, there is one, simple response: wrong.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Really?

So again you claim i am wrong, without actually proving anything I said is wrong.

Wow

Well, I could go through you post, word-for-word, and say "wrong".  But why not simply issue a blanket statement to that effect?

You don't prove a 'wrong'.  You just declare it.  Logically, it is impossible to prove a negative.  The person asserting a positive has the obligation to substantiate his positive claims.

You get what you pay for.  As there is no substantiation, there is one, simple response: wrong.  

So again no points made to actual prove me wrong, just more hot air.

Wow

Give yourself a pat on the back

I recently read the book "Lincoln", so I am well up to speed on this point in history

So again, what was I wrong on?

Didge wrote:So again no points made to actual prove me wrong, just more hot air.

You don't "prove" a negative. You disaffirm it.

Someone is rattled that the nigguh isn't doing what the massa says

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:So again no points made to actual prove me wrong, just more hot air.

You don't "prove" a negative.  You disaffirm it.

So still nothing to refute my historical facts

wow

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

smelly-bandit wrote:
Quill

Is this woman what you would call an uncle Tom??

Shouldn't that be "Aunty" Tom, Smelly' ?

She is simply living proof that Republicans will still put money and politics ahead of the actual truth of the matter..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:
Quill

Is this woman what you would call an uncle Tom??

Shouldn't that be "Aunty" Tom, Smelly'  ?

She is simply living proof that Republicans will still put money and politics ahead of the actual truth of the matter..

So now you're telling blacks how things are in black communities??

That's racist

Didge wrote:So still nothing to refute my historical facts

Just the statement that it's not true. You don't prove a negative. You affirm the null hypothesis.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:So still nothing to refute my historical facts

Just the statement that it's not true.  You don't prove a negative.  You affirm the null hypothesis.

And yet again more waffle

Let me know when you actually want to disprove me with facts, as I am still wating.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Just the statement that it's not true.  You don't prove a negative.  You affirm the null hypothesis.

And yet again more waffle

Let me know when you actually want to disprove me with facts, as I am still wating.

There are no facts. You don't prove a negative...you just say no.

I've said no...until you offer substantiation, I guess I win.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Actually, it was southern populism.  The Republican Party was originally quite reformist, until it spun off its progressive wing with Teddy Roosevelt in 1912.  Then in 1964 it invented the southern strategy, and pursued the same southern elements that had started the Civil War.

Absolute bollocks on every level. There were radicals in the Republican party, as there was former Democrats and whips. To say it was reformist is again what the left do. Revisionist history.

I mean it took one great man, Lincoln, to keep all these different political groups together during the American civil war. Its what is great about Lincoln. How he achieved the impossible, by uniting those divided within his party. Even Lincoln was against giving African Americans equal rights under the law, but he will be remembered rightly for ending slavery.

The Southern strategy is a complete myth, often again created by those on the left to again white wash history.

Here is the post again

Still waiting

"Revisionist history."  Simply wrong.  In 1860 the Republican Party was brand new.  It was nothing but reformist.  Superlatives about Lincoln do not rehabilitate your ignorance.  And Internet clips put out by the Russian IRA do not constitute facts.

Didge wrote:The Southern strategy is a complete myth, often again created by those on the left to again white wash history.

Talk about revisionist history.  And the Battle of Britain is a myth, too.  It never happened.  

Original Quill wrote:"Revisionist history."  Simply wrong.  In 1860 the Republican Party was brand new.  It was nothing but reformist.  Superlatives about Lincoln do not rehabilitate your ignorance.  And Internet clips put out by the Russian IRA do not constitute facts.

Didge wrote:The Southern strategy is a complete myth, often again created by those on the left to again white wash history.

Talk about revisionist history.  And the Battle of Britain is a myth, too.  It never happened.  

Where did I state it was not a new party?

Never did, so you just made that crap up 

So nothing to refute my points again

Try again

Absolute bollocks on every level. There were radicals in the Republican party, as there was former Democrats and whips. To say it was reformist is again what the left do. Revisionist history.

I mean it took one great man, Lincoln, to keep all these different political groups together during the American civil war. Its what is great about Lincoln. How he achieved the impossible, by uniting those divided within his party. Even Lincoln was against giving African Americans equal rights under the law, but he will be remembered rightly for ending slavery.

The Southern strategy is a complete myth, often again created by those on the left to again white wash history.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:"Revisionist history."  Simply wrong.  In 1860 the Republican Party was brand new.  It was nothing but reformist.  Superlatives about Lincoln do not rehabilitate your ignorance.  And Internet clips put out by the Russian IRA do not constitute facts.



Talk about revisionist history.  And the Battle of Britain is a myth, too.  It never happened.  

Where did I state it was not a new party?

Never did, so you just made that crap up 

So nothing to refute my points again

Try again

Absolute bollocks on every level. There were radicals in the Republican party, as there was former Democrats and whips. To say it was reformist is again what the left do. Revisionist history.

I mean it took one great man, Lincoln, to keep all these different political groups together during the American civil war. Its what is great about Lincoln. How he achieved the impossible, by uniting those divided within his party. Even Lincoln was against giving African Americans equal rights under the law, but he will be remembered rightly for ending slavery.

The Southern strategy is a complete myth, often again created by those on the left to again white wash history.

I have completely disabused everything in your post. I asked you for facts, and you give me a spin clip from IRA HQ in St. Petersburg. Such a waste of time.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Where did I state it was not a new party?

Never did, so you just made that crap up 

So nothing to refute my points again

Try again

Absolute bollocks on every level. There were radicals in the Republican party, as there was former Democrats and whips. To say it was reformist is again what the left do. Revisionist history.

I mean it took one great man, Lincoln, to keep all these different political groups together during the American civil war. Its what is great about Lincoln. How he achieved the impossible, by uniting those divided within his party. Even Lincoln was against giving African Americans equal rights under the law, but he will be remembered rightly for ending slavery.

The Southern strategy is a complete myth, often again created by those on the left to again white wash history.

I have completely disabused everything in your post.  I asked you for facts, and you give me a spin clip from IRA HQ in St. Petersburg.  Such a waste of time.

So that is now 7 replies to this single post, where you claimed I was wrong and have been unable to refute a single point.

I wonder if its a guiness book of records

smelly-bandit wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


Shouldn't that be "Aunty" Tom, Smelly'  ?

She is simply living proof that Republicans will still put money and politics ahead of the actual truth of the matter..

So now you're telling blacks how things are in black communities??

That's racist

So sue me, dickbrain...

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I have completely disabused everything in your post.  I asked you for facts, and you give me a spin clip from IRA HQ in St. Petersburg.  Such a waste of time.

So that is now 7 replies to this single post, where you claimed I was wrong and have been unable to refute a single point.

I wonder if its a guiness book of records

One would think in so many tries, you would get the hint: you haven't provided facts. The way it works is, you don't draw conclusions without factual substantiation. Spin is not substantiation...adjectives are not fact.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


So that is now 7 replies to this single post, where you claimed I was wrong and have been unable to refute a single point.

I wonder if its a guiness book of records

One would think in so many tries, you would get the hint: you haven't provided facts.  The way it works is, you don't draw conclusions without factual substantiation.  Spin is not substantiation...adjectives are not fact.

So that is now 8 replies without refuting my points.

Hilarious, bets on how many replies Quill will make without actually refuting anything?

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

One would think in so many tries, you would get the hint: you haven't provided facts.  The way it works is, you don't draw conclusions without factual substantiation.  Spin is not substantiation...adjectives are not fact.

So that is now 8 replies without refuting my points.

Hilarious, bets on how many replies Quill will make without actually refuting anything?

Such a record! I propose we call you:

Pointless Didge

It has such a true ring. It encompasses the fact that you have no original thought. It also highlights your many of C&P's, relying on the thoughts of others. Finally, it explains why, with nothing to say, you so often reduce your posts to temper tantrums.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

So that is now 8 replies without refuting my points.

Hilarious, bets on how many replies Quill will make without actually refuting anything?

Such a record!  I propose we call you:

Pointless Didge

It has such a true ring.  It encompasses the fact that you have no original thought.  It also highlights your many of C&P's, relying on the thoughts of others.  Finally, it explains why, with nothing to say, you so often reduce your posts to temper tantrums.

So that is 9 replies

I reckon he can go to 20, just to attempt to get out of looking wrong and failing

Pointless Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Such a record!  I propose we call you:

Pointless Didge

It has such a true ring.  It encompasses the fact that you have no original thought.  It also highlights your many of C&P's, relying on the thoughts of others.  Finally, it explains why, with nothing to say, you so often reduce your posts to temper tantrums.

So that is 9 replies

I reckon he can go to 20, just to attempt to get out of looking wrong and failing

Good. I can practice your new name.

Original Quill wrote:

Pointless Didge wrote:

So that is 9 replies

I reckon he can go to 20, just to attempt to get out of looking wrong and failing

Good.  I can practice your new name.  

So that is now 10 times

Half way there Quill

Pointless Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Good.  I can practice your new name.  

So that is now 10 times

Half way there Quill

Republicans passed repeal of the Affordable Care Act some 60 times. You've got a long way to go.

Original Quill wrote:

Pointless Didge wrote:


So that is now 10 times

Half way there Quill

Republicans passed repeal of the Affordable Care Act some 60 times.  You've got a long way to go.  

 So that is now 11 replies

Smelly's world has no basis in fact. The poor boy is demented and lives in a reality in another dimension based on fairy tails.

Lurker wrote:Smelly's world has no basis in fact. The poor boy is demented and lives in a reality in another dimension based on fairy tails.

In my opinion, SB is not here to tell the truth.  He is a Russian bot, posing as an ex patriot, apartheid S. African.  His purpose is to pitch "alternative facts" by which to cover up the crimes of the Right.

I look at him as a platform on which to debunk the fake assertions of the right.  He's like a tennis partner during practice: he serves up fat lobs with which to practice your swing.

Maddog wrote:The soft bigotry of low expectations.

“You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, ‘You are free to compete with all the others,’ and still justly believe that you have been completely fair.” - LBJ

Original Quill wrote:

Lurker wrote:Smelly's world has no basis in fact. The poor boy is demented and lives in a reality in another dimension based on fairy tails.

In my opinion, SB is not here to tell the truth.  He is a Russian bot, posing as an ex patriot, apartheid S. African.  His purpose is to pitch "alternative facts" by which to cover up the crimes of the Right.

I look at him as a platform on which to debunk the fake assertions of the right.  He's like a tennis partner during practice: he serves up fat lobs with which to practice your swing.

The paranoia is strong in the this one.

Do you really think I'm a Russian bot

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Lurker wrote:Smelly's world has no basis in fact. The poor boy is demented and lives in a reality in another dimension based on fairy tails.

In my opinion, SB is not here to tell the truth.  He is a Russian bot, posing as an ex patriot, apartheid S. African.  His purpose is to pitch "alternative facts" by which to cover up the crimes of the Right.

I look at him as a platform on which to debunk the fake assertions of the right.  He's like a tennis partner during practice: he serves up fat lobs with which to practice your swing.

The paranoia is strong in the this one.

Do you really think I'm a Russian bot

I actually really hope not.

Original Quill wrote:

Lurker wrote:Smelly's world has no basis in fact. The poor boy is demented and lives in a reality in another dimension based on fairy tails.

In my opinion, SB is not here to tell the truth.  He is a Russian bot, posing as an ex patriot, apartheid S. African.  His purpose is to pitch "alternative facts" by which to cover up the crimes of the Right.

interesting

i guess you have tons of examples of this

could you explain one of them?

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

In my opinion, SB is not here to tell the truth.  He is a Russian bot, posing as an ex patriot, apartheid S. African.  His purpose is to pitch "alternative facts" by which to cover up the crimes of the Right.

I look at him as a platform on which to debunk the fake assertions of the right.  He's like a tennis partner during practice: he serves up fat lobs with which to practice your swing.

The paranoia is strong in the this one.

Do you really think I'm a Russian bot

How many accounts did Zuckerberg admit the Internet Research Agency, of the Russian Federation, in St. Petersburg, opened? It was in the 10,000's. The bots have got to be somewhere.