Las Vegas shooting: Gunman 'identified as 64-year-old white male'

by Guest Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:33 am

First topic message reminder :

The Las Vegas gunman who killed at least 20 people and injured more than 100 when he opened fire on a music festival has been identified as a 64-year-old white male, according to ABC News.

Police earlier announced the suspect had been identified as a "local man" but stopped short of naming him.

Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said a manhunt was underway for a person of interest, believed to be his roommate, identified as Marilou Danley.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-gunman-identified-police-white-male-mandalay-bay-casino-strip-a7978241.html

More white terrorism

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:49 pm

Original Quill wrote:
gelico wrote:i've seen so many videos from people in sweden who are saying, ''i ran away from islam but now its stronger than ever in this country, i've no where to feel safe''

And I've seen just as many Irish, who say the same about the Catholic Church. Let's face it, religion is a scourge on the human race.

Unfortunately, it's a belief system and we have to live with it. Either outlaw all religions, or let them choose for themselves. It's autocratic for us to make that decision for them.

catholics are not commanded to kill those who leave the religion

nor do they have death sentences for gays

so all these irish that are fleeing the catholic church in fear,,,,,,what is it they are actually afraid of?

being as how you've seen so many, I'm sure you can tell me

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:51 pm

Original Quill wrote:
gelico wrote:i've seen so many videos from people in sweden who are saying, ''i ran away from islam but now its stronger than ever in this country, i've no where to feel safe''

And I've seen just as many Irish, who say the same about the Catholic Church. Let's face it, religion is a scourge on the human race.

Unfortunately, it's a belief system and we have to live with it. Either outlaw all religions, or let them choose for themselves. It's autocratic for us to make that decision for them.

Bullshit

by eddie Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:10 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:Las Vegas: Bellagio Hotel Guests And Staff Confirm Multiple Shooters

The Bellagio Hotel lobby was sprayed with bullets by a second shooter during the Las Vegas attack, according to hotel guests and staff who recount the horrific experience in a newly surfaced video.

Rene Downs made a Facebook Live video in the immediate aftermath of the shooting in Las Vegas, filming from inside the Bellagio Hotel which was on lockdown after “shots came firing in through the front doors of the lobby” causing “mass chaos and a stampede.”

Explaining that she was in the lobby with her husband at the time shots were fired into the hotel, Rene Downs also explains that the sheriff and mainstream media immediately covered up the Bellagio Hotel shooting, and in keeping with the “lone wolf” narrative, insisted that the Bellagio was not involved in the Las Vegas attack.

http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-bellagio-hotel-shooters/

Several eye witnesses say the same thing: multiple shooters.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/YourNewsWire

I don't know what I believe (and I'm not saying the source is perfect - it's one of many) but there are many people saying the same thing all over YouTube and mobile phone footage - as Gelico has said.

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:16 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/YourNewsWire

I don't know what I believe (and I'm not saying the source is perfect - it's one of many) but there are many people saying the same thing all over YouTube and mobile phone footage - as Gelico has said.

This is a set up, a false flag job.

Look how quickly Clinton and the anti gun lobby are already feeding on the dead pushing their agenda.

Frank's Sinatras daughter is on twityer calling for all 5 million members of the NRA to be executed ironically by firing squad

by eddie Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:22 pm

What of the eyewitness at the Bellagio hotel who did a Facebook live video of the shooting in the lobby? Why is there no news about that?

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:24 pm

eddie wrote:What of the eyewitness at the Bellagio hotel who did a Facebook live video of the shooting in the lobby? Why is there no news about that?

Too many questions and too many people trying not to answer them.

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:10 pm

eddie wrote:What of the eyewitness at the Bellagio hotel who did a Facebook live video of the shooting in the lobby? Why is there no news about that?

Good question...!

Are actual eye witnesses and video footage to be ignored...!?

by Raggamuffin Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:17 pm

I can't find any evidence that there was any shooting at the Bellagio hotel.

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:20 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I can't find any evidence that there was any shooting at the Bellagio hotel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRzgBZwmMB4

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:22 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I can't find any evidence that there was any shooting at the Bellagio hotel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnxDl6Iw254

by Raggamuffin Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:37 pm

gelico wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I can't find any evidence that there was any shooting at the Bellagio hotel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnxDl6Iw254

She said a load of people were running around, and she heard some shots, but there's no more evidence than that. I think people might have just panicked.

by eddie Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:39 pm

How far is the Bellagio hotel from the concert venue?

by Syl Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:55 pm

eddie wrote:How far is the Bellagio hotel from the concert venue?

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by magica Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:00 pm

eddie wrote:How far is the Bellagio hotel from the concert venue?

All the Hotels are near each other Eddie - all down the strip

by eddie Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:14 pm

magica wrote:
eddie wrote:How far is the Bellagio hotel from the concert venue?

All the Hotels are near each other Eddie - all down the strip

Yes but the gunman was in another hotel, on the 32nd floor. You're missing the point. Doesn't matter anyway. The truth is always blurry.

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:17 pm

eddie wrote:How far is the Bellagio hotel from the concert venue?

beyond the range of the rifles like he was using, and its line of sight is obscured behind several other casions

by eddie Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:20 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:How far is the Bellagio hotel from the concert venue?

beyond the range of the rifles like he was using, and its line of sight is obscured behind several other casions

That's the answer to the question I was asking. Thanks.

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:32 pm

The hotels/casinos are massive buildings and each are huge complexes of their own standing... the distances between each one is also quite a walk...

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:39 pm

http://www.lasvegascitytourist.com/las-vegas-map.html

by Syl Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:49 pm

eddie wrote:
magica wrote:

All the Hotels are near each other Eddie - all down the strip

Yes but the gunman was in another hotel, on the 32nd floor. You're missing the point. Doesn't matter anyway. The truth is always blurry.

This is the pic I meant to post...it shows both hotels.

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by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:59 pm

Might look close by on the map... but a long walk away at street level...

And as Smelly has already said... also lots of buildings in between that prevent any clear shot being possible...

by Original Quill Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:13 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

And I've seen just as many Irish, who say the same about the Catholic Church. Let's face it, religion is a scourge on the human race.

Unfortunately, it's a belief system and we have to live with it. Either outlaw all religions, or let them choose for themselves. It's autocratic for us to make that decision for them.

Bullshit

Your momma is so ugly she made One Direction go the other direction. Laughing

by nicko Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:37 pm

Dissing a members family, immediate ban called for. !

by Original Quill Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:47 pm

Yo momma's so dumb, she went to the dentist to get a Bluetooth. Rolling Eyes

by Original Quill Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:48 pm

Yo momma's so fat, when God said "Let there be light," he asked her to move out the way.

by nicko Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:50 pm

Getting back to the OP, I know a bit about Firearms, listening to the recording there were two Automatics firing at one point. One in each hand?

by Original Quill Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:50 pm

Yo momma's so ugly, she made an onion cry.

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by nicko Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:52 pm

Disgusting low life cowardly scum !

by nicko Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:52 pm

Getting back to the OP, I know a bit about Firearms, listening to the recording there were two Automatics firing at one point. One in each hand?

by Original Quill Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:53 pm

nicko wrote:Getting back to the OP, I know a bit about Firearms, listening to the recording there were two Automatics firing at one point. One in each hand?

He didn't have any fully automatics. They were bump-stocks. It would be pretty difficult to fire two bump-stocks at once. You have to hold them strategically against the shoulder, generally with two hands.

by nicko Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:55 pm

And what would you , as a pacifist, know about firearms?

by Maddog Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:56 pm

nicko wrote:Getting back to the OP, I know a bit about Firearms, listening to the recording there were two Automatics firing at one point. One in each hand?

Semi autos with bump fire stocks. In an urban setting like Vegas, the echo is crazy. One shot sometimes sounds like 3 shots, in 3 different areas.

by nicko Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:00 pm

Thanks, that could it then !

by Original Quill Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:14 pm

nicko wrote:And what would you , as a pacifist, know about firearms?

Nicko, I've told you...I"m not a pacifist. I just don't see rushing into every fray for the fun of it. Most of them are none of our business.

It's called a "Defense Department" in the US. We haven't had anyone invade our territory since 1942, when the Japanese invaded Attu, Alaska.

Besides...wars are expensive. We could have had 20-healthcare plans for the amount we've spent on a Defense Department since the last invasion. For that matter, we could all be driving Porsches. Have you priced a Lockheed F-35 Lightning? https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/03/the-f-35-a-weapon-that-costs-more-than-australia/72454/

by Maddog Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:15 pm

eddie wrote:How far is the Bellagio hotel from the concert venue?

A long damn walk.

Thanks for fixing my posting issue.

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:05 pm

the videos in this show more but they are apparently keep being taken down again by youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRjLIzNSRoE

by Guest Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:06 pm

nicko wrote:Getting back to the OP, I know a bit about Firearms, listening to the recording there were two Automatics firing at one point. One in each hand?

That's what some of my guys have been thinking, initially when I heard the burst it sounded like a gpmg balanced to the slow side with 100 round belt.

You can empty a 30 round mag on an SA80 in a couple seconds, and the ROF didn't sound as high as that

Yeah not sure

by Maddog Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:09 am

Fast forward to the two minute mark if you don't want to watch her assemble the bump stock on the rifle.

by Tommy Monk Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:56 am

00:54:59

eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

beyond the range of the rifles like he was using, and its line of sight is obscured behind several other casions

That's the answer to the question I was asking. Thanks.

http://cheaplasvegas.cc/distance_from_mandalay-bay_to_bellagio/

Long way between these two locations...

by 'Wolfie Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:37 am

nicko wrote:
Dissing a members family, immediate ban called for. !

That's making the assumption that said member actually has a family...

Maybe in reality, Smelly' was eventually found growing in the dark, dank depths of some dead bandits basement, and the new residents took pity on him ???

Razz

by 'Wolfie Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:45 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
nicko wrote:Getting back to the OP, I know a bit about Firearms, listening to the recording there were two Automatics firing at one point. One in each hand?

That's what some of my guys have been thinking, initially when I heard the burst it sounded like a gpmg balanced to the slow side with 100 round belt.

You can empty a 30 round mag on an SA80 in a couple seconds, and the ROF didn't sound as high as that

Yeah not sure

Are you people also taking into account all of the echoes and ricochets, with all of the buildings, walls and 'street furniture' around there ?

by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:50 am

gelico wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I can't find any evidence that there was any shooting at the Bellagio hotel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnxDl6Iw254

Incredible.

For a building claimed by the video to be shot up to shit by bullets, I could not see any evidence of any damage to walls, the floor, funiture etc.

I mean did you not even think to look at that?

Why are people so gullible to people posting shit on youtube?

by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:01 am

Original Quill wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:So if it's not Islamic terrorism, what is it?

It's a war that we, the US, created. We even had to fabricate a lie--WMD's in Iraq--to get into that war...proof of the mendacity of that war. The war grew al Qaeda, which grew ISIS, which has become a world-wide infection now. All our own doing.

You do realise you just emphatically proved that Islam is the problem by invoking Iraq?

Al-Qaeda were attacking the west before 9/11

So being as Iraq is made up of religious people from Islam, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Yazdanism, Shabakism, Judaism, Mandaeism, Bahā'i, Ahl-e Haqq-Yarsanis, Ishikism etc.

That then the 7/7 bombers were Muslims?

Why have we not seen terrorism from any of the other religious groups against the west, due to the war in Iraq?

As the west has not declared war on Islam, so why would for example British Muslims, who are not Iraq'i then murder British citizens?

There is only one connection.

Islam.

by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:08 am

Didge wrote:
gelico wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnxDl6Iw254

Incredible.

For a building claimed by the video to be shot up to shit by bullets, I could not see any evidence of any damage to walls, the floor, funiture etc.

I mean did you not even think to look at that?

Why are people so gullible to people posting shit on youtube?

i see you've recovered from your little tantrum

nice to have you back

by Original Quill Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:10 am

Didge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It's a war that we, the US, created. We even had to fabricate a lie--WMD's in Iraq--to get into that war...proof of the mendacity of that war. The war grew al Qaeda, which grew ISIS, which has become a world-wide infection now. All our own doing.

You do realise you just emphatically proved that Islam is the problem by invoking Iraq?

Al-Qaeda were attacking the west before 9/11

So being as Iraq is made up of religious people from Islam, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Yazdanism, Shabakism, Judaism, Mandaeism, Bahā'i, Ahl-e Haqq-Yarsanis, Ishikism etc.

That then the 7/7 bombers were Muslims?

Why have we not seen terrorism from any of the other religious groups against the west, due to the war in Iraq?

As the west has not declared war on Islam, so why would for example British Muslims, who are not Iraq'i then murder British citizens?

There is only one connection.

Islam.

It's not our problem, didge. Haha... We've got Trump to entertain us. Let's have a beer and watch the show. Laughing

by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:11 am

gelico wrote:
Didge wrote:

Incredible.

For a building claimed by the video to be shot up to shit by bullets, I could not see any evidence of any damage to walls, the floor, funiture etc.

I mean did you not even think to look at that?

Why are people so gullible to people posting shit on youtube?

i see you've recovered from your little tantrum

nice to have you back

I see you are as gullible as ever

Thanks

I was pissed at Eilzel treating women as if inferior that they could not stand up to me question why someone was untrusting. I gave reasons to this and stand by what I said. He deemed this as personal, which was rubbish and not against the rules, so I told him rightly where to go. Of which is against the rules to question the mods. A very dumb rule. So I accept that part for the basement, not his reason to jump in being a dick.

by Original Quill Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:13 am

Personally, I think an old man who lives in the sky is the start of a good joke. Wink

by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:18 am

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:

You do realise you just emphatically proved that Islam is the problem by invoking Iraq?

Al-Qaeda were attacking the west before 9/11

So being as Iraq is made up of religious people from Islam, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Yazdanism, Shabakism, Judaism, Mandaeism, Bahā'i, Ahl-e Haqq-Yarsanis, Ishikism etc.

That then the 7/7 bombers were Muslims?

Why have we not seen terrorism from any of the other religious groups against the west, due to the war in Iraq?

As the west has not declared war on Islam, so why would for example British Muslims, who are not Iraq'i then murder British citizens?

There is only one connection.

Islam.

It's not our problem, didge. Haha... We've got Trump to entertain us. Let's have a beer and watch the show.

Yes you have an idiot as a leader and as seen, you then must agree Islam is a problem.

It clearly is based off what people believe and follow. I mean nobody tries to deny the problem of Nazism. They never deny the problems of Christianity with the Crusades, the Inquisition, yet when Muslims commit violence in their names, lefties argue the most idiot defense of a very poor and hateful religion, Islam

In fact memebers of ISIS tell you exactly how much they are Muslim.

by Original Quill Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:22 am

Didge wrote:In fact memebers of ISIS tell you exactly how much they are Muslim.

Opps...tell 'em we're Russians for the time being.

Razz

by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:23 am

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:In fact memebers of ISIS tell you exactly how much they are Muslim.

Opps...tell 'em we're Russians for the time being.

They could care less if you are russian or American, both are fair game to Muslim extremists.

Laters

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