Las Vegas shooting: Gunman 'identified as 64-year-old white male'

SEXY MAMA wrote:FAO TOMMY

London attack: 130 imams condemn attackers and refuse to perform funeral prayer for them

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terrorists-imams-refuse-funeral-prayer-khuram-shazad-butt-rachid-redouane-a7774291.html

Tommy Monk wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:FAO TOMMY

London attack: 130 imams condemn attackers and refuse to perform funeral prayer for them

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terrorists-imams-refuse-funeral-prayer-khuram-shazad-butt-rachid-redouane-a7774291.html

And were they eventually given 'Muslim burials'... or not...!?

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Miffs2 wrote:

They are not true Muslims us all

On the internet do you not see anyone preaching against Muslims? Do you not see people wanting to kill any other groups of people?

Lol the internet!

Pmsl

Miffs2 wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

On the internet do you not see anyone preaching against Muslims? Do you not see people wanting to kill any other groups of people?

Lol the internet!

Pmsl

Yeah you piss yourself laughing.  You are ignorant of the suffering caused in the name of your religion.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


And were they eventually given 'Muslim burials'... or not...!?

No not by these Imams

SEXY MAMA wrote:

...if they were really following the Quran they wouldn’t be slaughtering Muslims...

(What about slaughtering non Muslims SM...!?)


...They can’t pick and choose...


...Mental people need excuses to act out their mentality and justify it...


...They (Islamist terrorists/ISIS etc...?) are an organised group yes but they aren’t considered Muslims...

...As I keep saying if they represented Islam they would be buried as Muslims, which is not the case...

SEXY MAMA wrote:

...What you are not understanding is that as a ‘true’ Muslim the burial is as important as the act of living...



130 "Imams" say they refuse terrorists 'Muslim burials'

...people do not educate themselves and pretend to be Imams and can preach what they like... Anyone can call themselves anything... You do not pick and choose the Quran you read it fully and understand what it means...

Syl wrote:The bible also preaches death and destruction in parts.
If you take some parts of it literally or out of context, I suspect both religious books could be said to be encouraging violence.

gelico wrote:

Syl wrote:The bible also preaches death and destruction in parts.

Syl wrote:If you take some parts of it literally or out of context, I suspect both religious books could be said to be encouraging violence.

indeed it does syl

my hubby was brought up as a catholic with 6 other siblings and they all went to confession.  my ssister in law said it was all very controlling.  she told me if she challenged anything she was told then the nuns at school or the priest would simply say it was the devil in you and you should pray for forgiveness

hubby stopped going as soon as he was old enough to lie and tell his mum he went to a different church, easy done.

my mother in law is very devout but extremely tolerant

my brother in law went off to be a priest/brother type thingy

my sisters in law i think still keep the faith

but no one cares about it so much anymore and we have the church as a completely different entity to the state.

in islam there is no difference whatsoever.  everything is under the sharia (commands/actions of mohammd)  the political laws are all based around the religion so that's why it sucks so much in islamic countries

Syl wrote:

gelico wrote:



indeed it does syl

my hubby was brought up as a catholic with 6 other siblings and they all went to confession.  my ssister in law said it was all very controlling.  she told me if she challenged anything she was told then the nuns at school or the priest would simply say it was the devil in you and you should pray for forgiveness

hubby stopped going as soon as he was old enough to lie and tell his mum he went to a different church, easy done.

my mother in law is very devout but extremely tolerant

my brother in law went off to be a priest/brother type thingy

my sisters in law i think still keep the faith

but no one cares about it so much anymore and we have the church as a completely different entity to the state.

in islam there is no difference whatsoever.  everything is under the sharia (commands/actions of mohammd)  the political laws are all based around the religion so that's why it sucks so much in islamic countries

Im glad i dont follow any religion,  it causes more harm in the world than everything else put together,.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

no SM i haven't forgotten it at all

i vividly remember you being shown the result of a beating for adultery and going all green round the gills and suddenly changing your mind on the issue.

in fact im still waiting for you to post the sura that says you can adapt and interpret the qur'an to be acceptable for a modern setting.

i know that some hadiths are weaker than others, but even that is disputed, however you know as well as i do that there are a series of hadiths that are widely accepted written by scholars who are deemed authentic and reliable, and it is exclusively these hadiths that i use

The sahih Bukari one you quoted on apostate isn't authentic or reliable.

I never said there's a sura about evolving punishments but there's been studies about it because they are outdated and are allowed to be evolved

sassy wrote:One of Manchester's biggest mosques has refused to bury the body of the Manchester terrorist who killed 22 last week.

It is thought his body remains unburied and councils, funeral directors and now the city's mosques, refuse to deal with it.

According to the Daily Mail, the bomber's body has been kept in a morgue outside Manchester.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/31/one-manchesters-biggest-mosques-refuses-bury-salman-abedis-body/



After the terrorist attacks in London, more than 200 British Muslim leaders said they would refuse to conduct an Islamic funeral for the perpetrators. It follows a similar approach by Manchester's mosques following the suicide bombing at an Ariana Grande concert. Could this stance actually discourage potential terrorists?

The attackers who targeted people on London Bridge and Borough Market last weekend declared they were acting in the name of Islam.

However, this claim has prompted outrage among many Muslims. In a strongly-worded statement issued on Monday, religious leaders described the terrorists' "indefensible actions" as "completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam".

They added that carrying out such an attack, especially during the holy month of Ramadan, demonstrated "how utterly misguided and distant the terrorists are from our faith and the contempt which they hold for its values".

As a further snub to the terrorists, the signatories said they would "not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer for the perpetrators" and urged others to follow their example.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40175088



Now shut the fuck up Tommy.

Tommy Monk wrote:

sassy wrote:One of Manchester's biggest mosques has refused to bury the body of the Manchester terrorist who killed 22 last week.

It is thought his body remains unburied and councils, funeral directors and now the city's mosques, refuse to deal with it.

According to the Daily Mail, the bomber's body has been kept in a morgue outside Manchester.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/31/one-manchesters-biggest-mosques-refuses-bury-salman-abedis-body/



After the terrorist attacks in London, more than 200 British Muslim leaders said they would refuse to conduct an Islamic funeral for the perpetrators. It follows a similar approach by Manchester's mosques following the suicide bombing at an Ariana Grande concert. Could this stance actually discourage potential terrorists?

The attackers who targeted people on London Bridge and Borough Market last weekend declared they were acting in the name of Islam.

However, this claim has prompted outrage among many Muslims. In a strongly-worded statement issued on Monday, religious leaders described the terrorists' "indefensible actions" as "completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam".

They added that carrying out such an attack, especially during the holy month of Ramadan, demonstrated "how utterly misguided and distant the terrorists are from our faith and the contempt which they hold for its values".

As a further snub to the terrorists, the signatories said they would "not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer for the perpetrators" and urged others to follow their example.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40175088

Now shut the fuck up Tommy.

The question still remains... after all this talk of refusing to give any of these 'Islamist terrorists' a 'Muslim burial'... how many of them have not ended up having a 'Muslim burial'...!?

Or is it rather the case that they have all ended up having 'Muslim burials'...!?

Serious question!

Tommy Monk wrote:

We are on a forum where it is up to the poster who makes a claim, to provide the evidence to back up the claim...!

My question still stands!

Tommy Monk wrote:No... the answer hasn't been provided...!

And it's not 'harassment' to ask someone a question of requesting them to provide evidence to back up their claim...!

Question still stands!

Tommy Monk wrote:

I am not after attention... all I am after is a credible answer to the pertinent question that I asked...!

Tommy Monk wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

...What you are not understanding is that as a ‘true’ Muslim the burial is as important as the act of living...



130 "Imams" say they refuse terrorists 'Muslim burials'

...people do not educate themselves and pretend to be Imams and can preach what they like... Anyone can call themselves anything... You do not pick and choose the Quran you read it fully and understand what it means...

But still waiting for SM to provide details of any 'Muslim terrorists' who didn't get 'Muslim burials'...!?

smelly-bandit wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

The sahih Bukari one you quoted on apostate isn't authentic or reliable.

I never said there's a sura about evolving punishments but there's been studies about it because they are outdated and are allowed to be evolved

You always come out with that nonsense, every single time I quote Islamic scripture, it's always "that sura is misquoted out of context or mis-translated" and every  hadith is "unreliable"

Of course when you're the one quoting scripture suddenly it's all reliable and authentic, can't move for reliable and authentic quotes

You're not an authority and therefore don't get to decide on the fly which hadiths are unreliable.

Secondly you did say the qur'an allows for evolution and interpretation  of its scripture

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Are you blind and thick?

Did you not see I posted goodnight?

l'm not on this forum like you are. I have a life.


And no if the Imams didn't perform the burial no one would have.

Tommy Monk wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Are you blind and thick?

Did you not see I posted goodnight?

l'm not on this forum like you are. I have a life.

And no if the Imams didn't perform the burial no one would have.

So... insults are all you have for me...?

Why not just list some names of these 'Islamist terrorists' who didn't end up having 'Muslim burials'... to back up your claims...!!!???

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

So... insults are all you have for me...?

Why not just list some names of these 'Islamist terrorists' who didn't end up having 'Muslim burials'... to back up your claims...!!!???

It's for you to ask, tommy.  She can answer any way she wants.  It's her post, after all.

Don't try to put words in another's mouth.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

You always come out with that nonsense, every single time I quote Islamic scripture, it's always "that sura is misquoted out of context or mis-translated" and every  hadith is "unreliable"

Of course when you're the one quoting scripture suddenly it's all reliable and authentic, can't move for reliable and authentic quotes

You're not an authority and therefore don't get to decide on the fly which hadiths are unreliable.

Secondly you did say the qur'an allows for evolution and interpretation  of its scripture

Really lol

When have I said I have the authority on Islam?

But I know my religion and hence I always prove you wrong.

The Hadith is weak and I have proved proof of that.

The Quran supersedes any Hadith.

And it clearly states over and over again

There is no compulsion in religion.

End of,

In regards to the evolving of punishments I told you that it's allowed because over time things change and punishment comes under that term.

I never said it's in the Quran, I said scholars agreed with it.

Miffs2 wrote:Abedi's body (well what's left) was taken out of Manchester. They didn't want him in the same city as his victims. He is in Liverpool which is odd as many of his victims live here.
He is in the same morgue as Brady, they deserve each other.

Miffs2 wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

On the internet do you not see anyone preaching against Muslims? Do you not see people wanting to kill any other groups of people?

Lol the internet!

Pmsl

Yeah you piss yourself laughing.  You are ignorant of the suffering caused in the name of your religion.

Miffs2 wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

On the internet do you not see anyone preaching against Muslims? Do you not see people wanting to kill any other groups of people?

Lol the internet!

Pmsl

Yeah you piss yourself laughing.  You are ignorant of the suffering caused in the name of your religion.

Tommy Monk wrote:

I am not after attention... all I am after is a credible answer to the pertinent question that I asked...!

eddie wrote:Las Vegas: Bellagio Hotel Guests And Staff Confirm Multiple Shooters

The Bellagio Hotel lobby was sprayed with bullets by a second shooter during the Las Vegas attack, according to hotel guests and staff who recount the horrific experience in a newly surfaced video.

Rene Downs made a Facebook Live video in the immediate aftermath of the shooting in Las Vegas, filming from inside the Bellagio Hotel which was on lockdown after “shots came firing in through the front doors of the lobby” causing “mass chaos and a stampede.”

Explaining that she was in the lobby with her husband at the time shots were fired into the hotel, Rene Downs also explains that the sheriff and mainstream media immediately covered up the Bellagio Hotel shooting, and in keeping with the “lone wolf” narrative, insisted that the Bellagio was not involved in the Las Vegas attack.

http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-bellagio-hotel-shooters/



Several eye witnesses say the same thing: multiple shooters.

eddie wrote:Las Vegas: Bellagio Hotel Guests And Staff Confirm Multiple Shooters

The Bellagio Hotel lobby was sprayed with bullets by a second shooter during the Las Vegas attack, according to hotel guests and staff who recount the horrific experience in a newly surfaced video.

Rene Downs made a Facebook Live video in the immediate aftermath of the shooting in Las Vegas, filming from inside the Bellagio Hotel which was on lockdown after “shots came firing in through the front doors of the lobby” causing “mass chaos and a stampede.”

Explaining that she was in the lobby with her husband at the time shots were fired into the hotel, Rene Downs also explains that the sheriff and mainstream media immediately covered up the Bellagio Hotel shooting, and in keeping with the “lone wolf” narrative, insisted that the Bellagio was not involved in the Las Vegas attack.

http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-bellagio-hotel-shooters/

Several eye witnesses say the same thing: multiple shooters.

Lurker wrote:Fuck the NRA!!!!

eddie wrote:Las Vegas: Bellagio Hotel Guests And Staff Confirm Multiple Shooters

The Bellagio Hotel lobby was sprayed with bullets by a second shooter during the Las Vegas attack, according to hotel guests and staff who recount the horrific experience in a newly surfaced video.

Rene Downs made a Facebook Live video in the immediate aftermath of the shooting in Las Vegas, filming from inside the Bellagio Hotel which was on lockdown after “shots came firing in through the front doors of the lobby” causing “mass chaos and a stampede.”

Explaining that she was in the lobby with her husband at the time shots were fired into the hotel, Rene Downs also explains that the sheriff and mainstream media immediately covered up the Bellagio Hotel shooting, and in keeping with the “lone wolf” narrative, insisted that the Bellagio was not involved in the Las Vegas attack.

http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-bellagio-hotel-shooters/



Several eye witnesses say the same thing: multiple shooters.

gelico wrote:i've seen so many videos from people in sweden who are saying, ''i ran away from islam but now its stronger than ever in this country, i've no where to feel safe''