War in Virginia

The New York Times wrote:Car Hits Crowd After White Nationalist Rally in Charlottesville Ends in Violence
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and BRIAN M. ROSENTHALAUG. 12, 2017

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — Violence erupted on Saturday as hundreds of white nationalists had gathered here for a rally and clashed with counterprotesters, resulting in at least one death and prompting the governor to declare a state of emergency.

After the rally at a city park was dispersed, a car plowed into a crowd near the city’s downtown mall, killing at least one person and injuring at least 19 others, according to a spokeswoman for the University of Virginia Medical Center. The authorities did not immediately say whether the episode was related to the white nationalists’ demonstration, but several witnesses and video of the scene suggested that it might have been intentional.

Emergency medical personnel treated eight people, the Charlottesville Police Department said. It was not immediately clear how severely they had been hurt. Several area hospitals did not return telephone calls seeking information.

Witnesses said a crowd of counterdemonstrators, jubilant because the white nationalists had left, was moving up Fourth Street, near the mall, when a gray sports car came down the road and accelerated, mowing down several people and hurling at least two in the air.

“It was probably the scariest thing I’ve ever seen in my life,” said Robert Armengol, who was at the scene reporting for a podcast he hosts with students at the University of Virginia. “After that it was pandemonium. The car hit reverse and sped and everybody who was up the street in my direction started running.”

Saturday afternoon, after initially issuing a brief denunciation on Twitter, President Trump, speaking at the start of a veterans’ event at his golf club in Bedminister, N.J., again addressed what he described as “the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia.”

In his comments, President Trump condemned the bloody protests, but he did not specifically criticize the white nationalist rally and its neo-Nazi slogans beyond blaming “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides.”

“It’s been going on for a long time in our country, it’s not Donald Trump, it’s not Barack Obama,” said Mr. Trump, adding that he had been in contact with Virginia officials. After calling for the “swift restoration of law and order,” he offered a call for unity among Americans of “all races, creeds and colors.”

The demonstration, which both organizers and critics had said was the largest gathering of white nationalists in recent years, was organized to protest the planned removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee from a city park that once bore the name of the Confederate general, but was renamed Emancipation Park.

The turmoil in Charlottesville began with a march Friday night by white nationalists on the campus of the University of Virginia and escalated Saturday morning as demonstrators from both sides gathered in the park. Waving Confederate flags, chanting Nazi-era slogans, wearing helmets and carrying shields, the white nationalists converged on the Lee statue and began chanting phrases like “You will not replace us” and “Jews will not replace us.”

Hundreds of counterprotesters — religious leaders, Black Lives Matter activists and anti-fascist groups known as “antifa” — quickly surrounded the crowd, singing spirituals, chanting and carrying their own signs.

The morning started peacefully, with the white nationalists gathering in McIntire Park, outside downtown, and the counterdemonstrators — including Cornel R. West, the Harvard University professor and political activist — gathering at the First Baptist Church, a historically African-American church here. Professor West, who addressed the group at a sunrise prayer service, said he had come “bearing witness to love and justice in the face of white supremacy.”

At McIntire Park, the white nationalists waved Confederate flags and other banners. As a photographer took pictures, one of them, who gave his name only as Ted because he said he might want to run for political office some day, said he was from Missouri, and added, “I’m tired of seeing white people pushed around.”

But by 11 a.m., after both sides had made their way to Emancipation Park, the scene had exploded into taunting, shoving and outright brawling.

Barricades encircling the park and separating the two sides began to come down, and the police temporarily retreated. People were seen clubbing one another in the streets, and pepper spray filled the air. One of the white nationalists left the park bleeding, his head wrapped in gauze.

Declaring the gathering an unlawful assembly, the police had cleared the area before noon, and the Virginia National Guard arrived as officers began arresting some who remained. But fears lingered that the altercation would start again nearby, as demonstrators dispersed in smaller groups.

Within an hour, politicians, including Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, and the House speaker, Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, a Republican, had condemned the violence.

The first public response from the White House came from the first lady, Melania Trump, who wrote on Twitter: “Our country encourages freedom of speech, but let’s communicate w/o hate in our hearts. No good comes from violence.”

Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Justice Department agents would support local and state officials in an investigation of Saturday’s events.

“This kind of violence is totally contrary to American values and can never be tolerated,” Mr. Sessions said in a statement.

After the rally was dispersed, its organizer, Jason Kessler, who calls himself a “white advocate,” complained in an interview that his group had been “forced into a very chaotic situation.” He added, “The police were supposed to be there protecting us and they stood down.”

The street fights were the latest in a series of tense dramas unfolding across the United States over plans to remove statues and other historical markers of the Confederacy. The battles have been intensified by the election of Mr. Trump, who enjoys fervent support from white nationalists.

Adding to the turmoil, the Federal Aviation Administration said late Saturday that a Virginia State Police helicopter had crashed about seven miles southwest of Charlottesville. The cause of the crash and whether anyone was injured was not immediately known.

Here in Charlottesville, the protest, billed as a “Unite the Right” rally, was the culmination of a year and a half of debate in Charlottesville over the fate of the Lee statue. A movement to remove it began when an African-American high school student here started a petition. The City Council voted 3 to 2 in April to sell it, but a judge issued an injunction temporarily stopping the move.

The city had been bracing for a sea of alt-right demonstrators, and on Friday night, hundreds of them, carrying lit torches, marched on the picturesque grounds of the University of Virginia, founded in 1819 by Thomas Jefferson. The group included prominent white nationalist figures like Richard Spencer and David Duke, a former imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

“We’re going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump” to “take our country back,” Mr. Duke told reporters Saturday. Many of the white nationalist protesters carried campaign signs for Mr. Trump.

Mr. Duke strongly criticized Mr. Trump later in the day after the president condemned the violence.

University officials said one person was arrested and charged Friday night with assault and disorderly conduct, and several others were injured. Among those hurt was a university police officer injured while making the arrest, the school said in a statement.

Teresa A. Sullivan, the president of the university, strongly condemned the Friday demonstration in a statement, calling it “disturbing and unacceptable.”

Still, officials allowed the Saturday protest to go on — until the injuries began piling up.

The city of Charlottesville declared a state of emergency around 11 a.m., citing an “imminent threat of civil disturbance, unrest, potential injury to persons, and destruction of public and personal property.”

Governor McAuliffe followed with his own declaration an hour later.

“It is now clear that public safety cannot be safeguarded without additional powers, and that the mostly-out-of-state protesters have come to Virginia to endanger our citizens and property,” he said in a statement. “I am disgusted by the hatred, bigotry and violence these protesters have brought to our state over the past 24 hours.”

The Republican candidate for governor in Virginia, Ed Gillespie, issued his own statement denouncing the protests as “vile hate” that has “no place in our Commonwealth.”

Mr. Ryan agreed. “The views fueling the spectacle in Charlottesville are repugnant,” he said on Twitter. “Let it only serve to unite Americans against this kind of vile bigotry.”

Trump declares victory.    "More of my people showed up than Democrats," he said.  

"Don't spare their heads," the president told a small group of RW marchers.    

"Remember," the Trumpster reminded everyone, "Virginia is an 'open carry' state.  Get to work."

veya_victaous wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:i'll just ignore HA for tghe unmitigated cretin and troll he is.....

Veya however ...you can be a right twat at times, do you lot in ozzyland have the same difficulty with english as our other cousins "over the pond"???

ask yourself this

WHY is the right on the up atm??? (and has been, albeit slowly, for the past 10 years or more)

Well its quite obvious....

a total failure by the L/W (i would have said the european L/W, but clearly its not only them) to get across its policies and ideas in a form palatable to the "masses"

there is also the legacy of the Blair years here, with a bunch of lying spinning toads...who "opened the flood gates of immigration " to "rub the noses of the right in it", whcich was a bad miscalculation because it rubbed EVERYONES nose in it.....

part of the problem is the almost religiously sanctimonious attitude of the "lefty" towards anyone who isnt left of stalin, and doesnt in toto, agree with every aspect of their brand of civilisation.

disagree with one...just one,  bit of lefty ideology and you are a R/W extremist.

vis HA's comment above...

see I dislike BOTH left and right equally, with a passion that increases the further left or right you go.

I find it MOST amusing that you lot collectively cant find a pidgeon hole to fit me into

the (now EX) Far right contingent dislike me with a passion and recon I'm a lefty shill
and you Leftys recon I'm a R/W type


You are so dense you cant even see the hypocrisy you indulge in

some of the r/w are violent...so they are filth
some of the L/W are violent...but thats ok its for a "good" cause

vs

some of the L/W are violent....so they are filth
some of the R/W are violent ...but thats ok, its for a good cause


you lot thouroughly deserve one another,

You talk about how one "wing" is better and superior to the other, YET historically speaking there is NO evidence that one is in any way "better" than the other

the right would have us turn against our fellow countrymen on teh flimsiest of pretexts
the left would turn our young folks into pathetic snowflakes that need "soft rooms and "safe spaces" at uinversities ....that have no idea of gender or its role in life in general, vis that "gender neutral school"
etc etc etc....

oh ant This is what I mean

HA, and the rest of that little clique belong in the category "hard left"

and this is how they promulgate their vision of leftyism

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t21720-hard-left-trying-to-brand-labour-centrists-as-racist-sympathisers


As I said...If you dont agree "in TOTO" with them you are a  (add whatever "SIXHIRB" insult you happen to think of)
they are as odious as those R/w ers that have been slung out.....

Thankfully even Many RW US Politician think you justification for Nazis is BULLSHIT
John McCain Sums up why your full of shit perfectly

There's no moral equivalency between racists & Americans standing up to defy hate& bigotry.

So there is your whole hypocrisy reason down the toilet where it belongs cause to anyone that is not a pea brained racist trying to justify their white supremacy views it is OBVIOUSLY bullshit!!!!

Your saying these safe room snowflakes are wrong to confront Nazis??? they got more balls than you that would pathetically watch the rise on a new Nazi party and do nothing.

And WHO GIVE A SHOTO  ABOUT EUROPE!!!!
this is happen in the USA it Is actually important
it affects the world NOT like whatever happens in your 2 bit yesteryear shitholes that are going down BECAUSE everyone else is going up

much like the Alt right of the USA your problem is equality feels like your disadvantaged because you're used to everyone else suffering oppression and persecution at your hands.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Thankfully even Many RW US Politician think you justification for Nazis is BULLSHIT
John McCain Sums up why your full of shit perfectly

So there is your whole hypocrisy reason down the toilet where it belongs cause to anyone that is not a pea brained racist trying to justify their white supremacy views it is OBVIOUSLY bullshit!!!!

Your saying these safe room snowflakes are wrong to confront Nazis??? they got more balls than you that would pathetically watch the rise on a new Nazi party and do nothing.

And WHO GIVE A SHOTO  ABOUT EUROPE!!!!
this is happen in the USA it Is actually important
it affects the world NOT like whatever happens in your 2 bit yesteryear shitholes that are going down BECAUSE everyone else is going up

much like the Alt right of the USA your problem is equality feels like your disadvantaged because you're used to everyone else suffering oppression and persecution at your hands.

Victor must be growing some pretty potent weed down on his woodlot these days  ?!?

Lord Foul wrote:the hammer and sickle has killed far more than the swastika ever has

six of one and half a dozen of the other......

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:the hammer and sickle has killed far more than the swastika ever has

six of one and half a dozen of the other......

Garbage, Victor.

Do the maths..

I think you will find their totals are pretty close, overall;   (start with around 55 million dead in WWII --  a war that Hitler started..)

Lord Foul wrote:well now Thorin , the way I see it is this


IF it is alright for the left to indulge in violence in persuit of their agenda, whether directly or by creating a situation that incites it; i.e "taking the law into their own hands then that opens a whole can of worms.

firstly we need to know if the march by the R/W nutters was "lawful", and if not under what law.

if it was then there can be no reasonable excuse to intervene, beyond "reasonable protest"

(and indeed one might say not at all...go get a permit and have yuour own demo, some where else, against both the r/w nutters AND the fact they were granted a permit)


HOWEVER if they think what they did was justified (and despite all I have said I do have some sympathy for the leftys....) then let us examine the reasons and consequences.

the logical reason is that they hate the right...regardless of degree actually, but especially hate and detest the far right (not without reason, given its history, but then they forget THEIR history conveniently)

so we ask why do they hate the right with such passion, to the extent that even being centrist right will get you villified by the "clique", indeed as another post around here shows, even being centrist left puts you in their sights.

well its kinda obvious really, some of the right are extremist, dangerous and are aginst all that civilisation should be, often driven by religious fervour and some imagined superiority.

they thus determine that anyone less than 100% left should be exterminated/sent to the gulags/silenced/threatened etc etc etc

of course that has to be balanced by the fact that the R/W nutters want to do the same to THEM.....so......



one has to ask, where do they draw the line, at what point do they accept a different opinion, because no deviation from the hive is possible to those who inhabit some other places.

Now heres the rub......

there is a certain section of society in  which some members thereof  are extremist, dangerous and are aginst all that civilisation should be, often driven by religious fervour and some imagined superiority.  ~(and they are NOT white supremacists)

should we treat them the same way.....


Look at the way anyone who isnt full on lefty here is villified, If you dont jump in with both feet condemning from the beginning (dont wait for confirmation dont wait for the cold light of day to be poured on the first reports) you MUST erg be a "sympathiser"  If you dont instantly agree with the holier than thou  approach you are a sympathiser etc etc etc, and at the end of it if you dont come out of the argument totally at war with the right you MUST be a sympathiser.

well I could apply the same view to the actions of others over similar but different situations here.

there is a total lack of internal logic to the hard lefty's approach to things.....just as there is a total lack not only of logic but intelligent thought in the far rights approach to things...

(oh not to mention it seems, an inability on BOTH sides to read what is writ.)


AND moreover the problem ISNT single issue on either side, the whole philosophy of the left is at face value "nicey nicey"   yet it is utterly repugnant in many aspects

the removal of self responsibility, the "it doesnt matter if you spell like a 3yo",  the social engineering to fit some mythical nirvana of poxy little special interest groups, the demand for greater state dependancy (it is the left who mooted a while back, that your wages should ALL be given to the state, who would then give you back what "THEY" thought you deserved)

they fail on the personal security aspect...it is the left who dont want you to smack the burglar etc....(oh and police numbers BTW have NO bearing on that......police are only any use AFTER you have been robbed and beaten.....the whole concept of "police and a passive citizenry" is garbage, unless you have so many police about that there is constantly at least 2 on every street, and no society can sustain that.....

and so on and so forth


I find a leftist society a la HA and co as scary a place as a R/W one run by those who shall be nameless (and have been chucked off here)

Lord Foul wrote:Well, the "nazi" sector needs sorting, thats true....but you dont do that by beating them up, its kinda bad PR (unless you are a commie of course). I dont know how the US is going to cope....

over here of course the problem is less acute....we have a relatively small number of real dyed in the wool nazis, and the best approach is to do what we do...let em spout...then ignore them, most (95%?)  of the population can then see what they really are and treat them with the contempt they deserve....over the pond its probably a different matter, they have half a continent that beleives that shite......

over here we have a different problem, in fact the ones to watch are the total opposite of the nazis, no less dangerous to society, led by bowel urges and an inflated sense of self righteousness, but beholden to a principle that permits destabilizing influences into our country, with no thought for the mitigation of teh problems that it will cause, except the repression of dissent. often hiding behind the human rights act on one hand and denying it on the other.....

"freedom of opinion...but only if that opinion is the "correct" one

as I said..if we applied their principle on the R/W to another dangerous group...we would be villified as racists, and would have to go to extreme lengths to qualify exactly and in deep detail who we meant, and even then the "excuses and appologist mantras" would be wheeled out to deny/mitigate the culpability  of those we thus accused.

Tommy Monk wrote:I agree with Vic... and its what I have been saying all along!!!

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I agree with Vic... and its what I have been saying all along!!!

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Glad to hear it.  Now ISIS can go recruiting in Hyde Park.

Most sporting of you, mate...  

gelico wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Glad to hear it.  Now ISIS can go recruiting in Hyde Park.

Most sporting of you, mate...  

what do you mean now?  they've been doing it for ages and not just in Hyde Park but all over UK

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:

what do you mean now?  they've been doing it for ages and not just in Hyde Park but all over UK

I didn't know that, but in any case tommy just legitimized it.  He said he would "defend to the death" any ISIS individual who would speak freely and openly in Hyde Park.

Thorin wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


Garbage, Victor.

Do the maths..

I think you will find their totals are pretty close, overall;   (start with around 55 million dead in WWII --  a war that Hitler started..)

And how many did Stalin and Mao kill, the later alone killed more than 60 million.

The figure you give is the total deaths in WW2, which include the Japanese being responsible for millions also.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Thorin wrote:


And how many did Stalin and Mao kill, the later alone killed more than 60 million.

The figure you give is the total deaths in WW2, which include the Japanese being responsible for millions also.

I believe you will find that the death toll attributed to Mao's revolution is more like 20 -->> 25 million...

Thorin wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Thankfully even Many RW US Politician think you justification for Nazis is BULLSHIT
John McCain Sums up why your full of shit perfectly

So there is your whole hypocrisy reason down the toilet where it belongs cause to anyone that is not a pea brained racist trying to justify their white supremacy views it is OBVIOUSLY bullshit!!!!

Your saying these safe room snowflakes are wrong to confront Nazis??? they got more balls than you that would pathetically watch the rise on a new Nazi party and do nothing.

And WHO GIVE A SHOTO  ABOUT EUROPE!!!!
this is happen in the USA it Is actually important
it affects the world NOT like whatever happens in your 2 bit yesteryear shitholes that are going down BECAUSE everyone else is going up

much like the Alt right of the USA your problem is equality feels like your disadvantaged because you're used to everyone else suffering oppression and persecution at your hands.

Victor must be growing some pretty potent weed down on his woodlot these days  ?!?

More like Veya is on magic mushrooms, not even able to see what Victor is saying

The point is the left on here in Sassy and Veya, seem to think its acceptable to use violence onto people based on their beliefs. A.K.A. if they are Nazi's.

The same people would be up in arms at violence towards Muslims protesting, calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam.

You see this is how where people detest something. They overrule their normal rational reasons and are ruled by hateful emotions. Allowing them to think violence against protestors is acceptable.

Its not. As all you do is become one with those who hate, as you also hate.

You defeat hate with unity standing in solidarity against their hate.

veya_victaous wrote:

Thorin wrote:


More like Veya is on magic mushrooms, not even able to see what Victor is saying

The point is the left on here in Sassy and Veya, seem to think its acceptable to use violence onto people based on their beliefs. A.K.A. if they are Nazi's.

The same people would be up in arms at violence towards Muslims protesting, calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam.

You see this is how where people detest something. They overrule their normal rational reasons and are ruled by hateful emotions. Allowing them to think violence against protestors is acceptable.

Its not. As all you do is become one with those who hate, as you also hate.

You defeat hate with unity standing in solidarity against their hate.

Let me make  it clear

YES it is TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE to use violence against Nazis.

they are not born Nazi (lets just skip the hypocritical nature in which you treat Muslims) they choose to be Nazis they  unlike the original Nazi that if given the benefit of the doubt may not have envisioned the real world horrors that come from implementing such philosophies, the neo Nazi sees the concentration camps, see the millions killed, see the pain and suffering of unparalleled horror and says "Humanity needs to do that again, needs more of that".

Nothing but combating that by any and all means necessary is morally acceptable.  

veya_victaous wrote:they fact that you think only the left fight Nazis shows what pathetic excuses of humanity you are.
Any Human with the slightest decency SHOULD  be fighting Nazis

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Those neo-nazis in Charlottesville weren't really chanting "kick out the Jews, gas the Jews, no more Jews !!!"

Those news clips were actually faked, according to Tommy..

And why would Tommy lie --  after all, he keeps telling us that he's a "genius", and an "honest" one at that.

Thorin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Thorin wrote:


More like Veya is on magic mushrooms, not even able to see what Victor is saying

The point is the left on here in Sassy and Veya, seem to think its acceptable to use violence onto people based on their beliefs. A.K.A. if they are Nazi's.

The same people would be up in arms at violence towards Muslims protesting, calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam.

You see this is how where people detest something. They overrule their normal rational reasons and are ruled by hateful emotions. Allowing them to think violence against protestors is acceptable.

Its not. As all you do is become one with those who hate, as you also hate.

You defeat hate with unity standing in solidarity against their hate.

Let me make  it clear

YES it is TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE to use violence against Nazis.

they are not born Nazi (lets just skip the hypocritical nature in which you treat Muslims) they choose to be Nazis they  unlike the original Nazi that if given the benefit of the doubt may not have envisioned the real world horrors that come from implementing such philosophies, the neo Nazi sees the concentration camps, see the millions killed, see the pain and suffering of unparalleled horror and says "Humanity needs to do that again, needs more of that".

Nothing but combating that by any and all means necessary is morally acceptable.  

And there you have it.

Veya has just made it acceptable to use violence against people if you don't like their beliefs.

Thus endorsing any violence against anyone, whether it be against Jews, Muslims, Conservatives, Communists etc. 

So you would be fine with anyone beating up any Islamist's then, being as they hold a view to subjugate and enslave women, throw gays off roof tops and kill anyone that insults Islam?

Is that what you are saying?

They chose to be Islamist's after all.

Now as seen Communists in multiple nations have committed the most heinous crimes in history alongside the Nazis. Thus by your reasoning, it would be acceptable to counter and communist rally and use violence to stop this.

Is that what you are saying?

veya_victaous wrote:

Thorin wrote:


And there you have it.

Veya has just made it acceptable to use violence against people if you don't like their beliefs.

Thus endorsing any violence against anyone, whether it be against Jews, Muslims, Conservatives, Communists etc. 

So you would be fine with anyone beating up any Islamist's then, being as they hold a view to subjugate and enslave women, throw gays off roof tops and kill anyone that insults Islam?

Is that what you are saying?

They chose to be Islamist's after all.

Now as seen Communists in multiple nations have committed the most heinous crimes in history alongside the Nazis. Thus by your reasoning, it would be acceptable to counter and communist rally and use violence to stop this.

Is that what you are saying?

No not any one
Nazism is not just any old beliefs
and those that choose 'Fundamentalist Islam', YES it is completely right to use violence against them

Your idiocy is the only reason you can compare communist to either, fascist that were not Nazi would not count as Nazi.
Nazi is explicitly supporting the Jewish holocaust.

Unlike you I have a clear moral compass, not some pathetic wishwashy lack of morality that bends to meet a childish need to argue on the internet.

veya_victaous wrote:Communism is no worse that British imperialism.


and No you don't stand against anything, Your lack of backbone makes it impossible, you give lip service but lack any real moral conviction to your hollow words.

and death tolls are worse when you add together half a dozen  communist movements over 70 years. which is why the logic is total fallacy.
compare one to one.
and Mao was in a civil war so it's not like communist murdering innocents, communist versus Capitalist nationalists in open warfare to get the millions of deaths.

veya_victaous wrote:we don't have Marxist communism you wally.

and I am not excusing it I AM SAYING IT IS NOT RELVANT !!!
you still think you can justify Nazis Today  with history
you can't, it doesn't it bares NO  RELVANCE
not a single point you have made has any relevance what soo ever on the Nazis today that need to be fought NOW

you just prove my point you are nothing but a troll that argues on the internet with no real life conviction, just pathetic lip serve to ideal to score 'internet points'

veya_victaous wrote:we have so few Nazis cause we threaten to beat them up.

the UK probably has so few Nazis cause there are so few balls in the UK

The only reason there is a bigger threat from radical Islam in the UK is that British culture ferment division and radicalization

veya_victaous wrote:pfft you still have Marxist commies
you can hardly suggest the UK is a good example of anything but failure

AND
tolerance is NOT inclusion
it is that brits merely tolerate that causes division, exclusion and ferments racial bigotry both in whites and any other group there.

Victor wrote:I guess he will stop calling me a nazi now, and accept that there is an acceptable form of "national socialist"

Original Quill wrote:

Victor wrote:I guess he will stop calling me a nazi now, and accept that there is an acceptable form of "national socialist"

Acceptable??  Now you sound like Donald Trump: "...many fine people."

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Acceptable??  Now you sound like Donald Trump: "...many fine people."

Everyone sounds like trump to you.
Change the record, its boring.
That is all you can do is try to deligitimize people, not actually take on their views.

Seriously, grow up, I have had a bucketful of this bullshit from Veya this morning, who thinks it is okay to use violence against people protesting based on what they believe. Not stand united counter protesting hate with solidarity.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Everyone sounds like trump to you.
Change the record, its boring.
That is all you can do is try to deligitimize people, not actually take on their views.

Seriously, grow up, I have had a bucketful of this bullshit from Veya this morning, who thinks it is okay to use violence against people protesting based on what they believe. Not stand united counter protesting hate with solidarity.

So much hate.  This site has turned into nothing but expressions of hate.  It shows you what's at the core of all conservatism.  The proof is in the pudding: as soon as the place goes full right, out come the haters.

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:

what do you mean now?  they've been doing it for ages and not just in Hyde Park but all over UK

I didn't know that, but in any case tommy just legitimized it.  He said he would "defend to the death" any ISIS individual who would speak freely and openly in Hyde Park.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I didn't know that, but in any case tommy just legitimized it.  He said he would "defend to the death" any ISIS individual who would speak freely and openly in Hyde Park.

It was a quote from a book about Voltaire...

Tommy Monk wrote:And ISIS are a proscribed terrorist organisation... while the group in virginia are perfectly legal and had permit to hold their rally!!!

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

It was a quote from a book about Voltaire...

Ty, tommy.  It's a traditional chant that you hear from old-school liberals.  It was spoken before people realized that words can be speech-acts as well as speech-content.

Tommy Monk wrote:And ISIS are a proscribed terrorist organisation... while the group in virginia are perfectly legal and had permit to hold their rally!!!

So, you are saying that ISIS is proscribed, but Nazis and white supremacists are encouraged?  BTW, what authoritative, non-partisan organization has proscribed ISIS?

Lord Foul wrote:tee hee...just kicked majors butt on you know where....

Thorin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:tee hee...just kicked majors butt on you know where....

Link please?