If sharia law ruled in Britain would gays be hung??

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:32 pm

It seems in many countries that sharia law has power homosexuals are hung according to that law, would the same happen in Britain.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:37 pm

heavenly father wrote:It seems in many countries that sharia law has power homosexuals are hung according to that law, would the same happen in Britain.

Actual the question is
could it happen AGAIN in Britain

Sodomy was historically known in England and Wales as buggery, and is usually interpreted as referring to anal intercourse between two males or a male and a female. In England and Wales buggery was made a felony by the Buggery Act in 1533, during the reign of Henry VIII. The punishment for those convicted was the death penalty until 1861. James Pratt and John Smith were the last two to be executed for sodomy in 1835

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:39 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
heavenly father wrote:It seems in many countries that sharia law has power homosexuals are hung according to that law, would the same happen in Britain.
Actual the question is
could it happen AGAIN in Britain

Sodomy was historically known in England and Wales as buggery, and is usually interpreted as referring to anal intercourse between two males or a male and a female. In England and Wales buggery was made a felony by the Buggery Act in 1533, during the reign of Henry VIII. The punishment for those convicted was the death penalty until 1861. James Pratt and John Smith were the last two to be executed for sodomy in 1835

interesting, does that law still stand.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:43 pm

As it says in the post
The punishment for those convicted was the death penalty until 1861

So that would be No

However you could still be imprisoned up until he 1960s

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:46 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:As it says in the post
The punishment for those convicted was the death penalty until 1861

So that would be No

However you could still be imprisoned

so basically the law was for sodomy not homosexuality, and your contribution is utterly irrelevant

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:51 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:As it says in the post
The punishment for those convicted was the death penalty until 1861

So that would be No

However you could still be imprisoned

so basically the law was for sodomy not homosexuality, and your contribution is utterly irrelevant

Err....ok

Don't you have to be somewhere.......

by SEXY MAMA Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:52 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:As it says in the post
The punishment for those convicted was the death penalty until 1861

So that would be No

However you could still be imprisoned

so basically the law was for sodomy not homosexuality, and your contribution is utterly irrelevant

So is yours.

Right firstly no matter what the extreme right wings FEAR sharia law will NEVER supersede the BRITISH LAW.

The majority of Muslims dont require it but as always the media jumps on people like Chaudaery and believe his word as gospel ( irony much?)

I have been 'debating ' this topic for over 3 years with the brain dead posters above.

I guess they really dont have a life or friends, so they come on here and sprout bile daily.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:54 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

so basically the law was for sodomy not homosexuality, and your contribution is utterly irrelevant

So is yours.

Right firstly no matter what the extreme right wings FEAR sharia law will NEVER supersede the BRITISH LAW.

The majority of Muslims dont require it but as always the media jumps on people like Chaudaery and believe his word as gospel ( irony much?)

I have been 'debating ' this topic for over 3 years with the brain dead posters above.

I guess they really dont have a life or friends, so they come on here and sprout bile daily.

hello My darling how you been

by SEXY MAMA Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:55 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

So is yours.

Right firstly no matter what the extreme right wings FEAR sharia law will NEVER supersede the BRITISH LAW.

The majority of Muslims dont require it but as always the media jumps on people like Chaudaery and believe his word as gospel ( irony much?)

I have been 'debating ' this topic for over 3 years with the brain dead posters above.

I guess they really dont have a life or friends, so they come on here and sprout bile daily.
hello My darling how you been

Missed you Handsome xxxx

Glad to 'see' you here. Wink

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:57 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
hello My darling how you been

Missed you Handsome xxxx

Glad to 'see' you here.

sadly poor old smelly missed the point of my post (no surprise there then)

by SEXY MAMA Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:59 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Missed you Handsome xxxx

Glad to 'see' you here.
sadly poor old smelly missed the point of my post (no surprise there then)

Hahaha! He always does Handsome Wink

There is always something very sexy about an action Man hero Laughing

by Clarkson Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:18 pm

Does that mean you don't have friends Sexy if you post on here.

Sharia Law is being advocated in certain areas of the country and more importantly some on the looney left support it.

Some Muslims are terrorising local people in some areas to close down pubs if that isn't an imposition of religious law over the law of the land I don't know what is.

It isn't the moderates like you that are a concern it is the firebrands in your community that you are not facing down who are the concern to everyone that isn't a Muslim.

Islam has become very unpopular across Europe even in very benign state like Norway. The lack of action on the part of so called moderate Islam only add fuel to the fire.

If people want to live here who are Muslim they should keep their religion to themselves and not terrorise those who live in the same town.

How to make friends and influence people the western way not the Taliban way.

by SEXY MAMA Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:23 pm

If you look at my post count you wouldn't have opened your debate so carelessly!

Re read my post Drinky!

Sharia is only used in family law just as the Jewish people use it.

The rest is just what you read in newspapers to scare you! Wink

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:23 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

so basically the law was for sodomy not homosexuality, and your contribution is utterly irrelevant

So is yours.

Right firstly no matter what the extreme right wings FEAR sharia law will NEVER supersede the BRITISH LAW.

The majority of Muslims dont require it but as always the media jumps on people like Chaudaery and believe his word as gospel ( irony much?)

I have been 'debating ' this topic for over 3 years with the brain dead posters above.

I guess they really dont have a life or friends, so they come on here and sprout bile daily.

it already does supersede British law in many areas

are you denying that there are areas in the UK and Europe where sharia courts operate illegally in Muslim communities and people from those communities are forced to accept rulings made by these courts???

by SEXY MAMA Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:26 pm

You know what im about to post now!!!!!

Please give me evidence of this.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:26 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Missed you Handsome xxxx

Glad to 'see' you here.
sadly poor old smelly missed the point of my post (no surprise there then)

your post had no relevance to the thread

the thread is about whether or not homosexuals would be hung if sharia law ruled,you posted up a pointless tidbit about how the law of the UK used to give the death penalty for those guilty of sodomy

sodomy is not exclusive to homosexual sex

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:33 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:You know what im about to post now!!!!!

Please give me evidence of this.

The rise in ‘community justice’ means crimes as serious as murder and sexual abuse are going unreported – a situation reminiscent of Belfast in the height of the Troubles.

Tom Winsor said police officers were simply never called to some neighbourhoods, where law-abiding people rather than criminals administer their own form of justice

He said: ‘There are some communities born under other skies who will not involve the police at all. I am reluctant to name the communities in question, but there are communities from other cultures who would prefer to police themselves.

‘There are cities in the Midlands where the police never go because they are never called. They never hear of any trouble because the community deals with that on its own.

It’s not that the police are afraid to go into these areas or don’t want to go into those areas,’ he said. ‘But if the police don’t get calls for help then, of course, they won’t know what’s going on.’

Honour killings, domestic violence, sexual abuse of children and female genital mutilations are some of the offences that are believed to be unreported in some cities.

Last December, three members of a self-styled ‘Muslim Patrol’ vigilante group were jailed for harassing, intimidating and assaulting people in East London while claiming they were enforcing sharia law.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541635/Murders-rapes-going-unreported-no-zones-police-minority-communities-launch-justice-systems.html

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:33 pm

For instance, at least 85 Islamic Sharia courts are now operating in Britain, almost 20 times as many as previously believed, according to a study by Civitas, a London-based think tank. The report shows that scores of unofficial tribunals and councils regularly apply Islamic law to resolve domestic, marital and business disputes, and that many are operating in mosques. It warns of a "creeping" acceptance of Sharia principles in British law.

Britain is also creating a parallel Islamic financial system to fill the growing demand for Sharia-compliant banking products in the wake of Muslim mass immigration to the country. According to the "Global Islamic Finance Report 2011," Britain has emerged as "ground zero" for Islamic banking in Europe; and London is now the main center for Islamic finance outside the Muslim world.

Sharia law is transforming daily life in Britain in other ways, as well. In the Tower Hamlets area of East London (also known as the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets),for example, extremist Muslim preachers, called the Tower Hamlets' Taliban, regularly issue death threats to women who refuse to wear Islamic veils. Neighborhood streets have been plastered with posters declaring "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced." And street advertizing deemed offensive to Muslims is regularly vandalized or blacked out with spray paint.

The mayor of Tower Hamlets is the Bangladeshi-born Lutfur Rahman, an ally of Choudary. Rahman is linked to the Islamic Forum of Europe (IFE), an Islamist group dedicated to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed ... from ignorance to Islam." Not surprisingly, the public libraries in Tower Hamlets have been stocked with books and DVDs containing the extremist rantings of banned Islamist preachers.

Meanwhile, Britain is struggling to combat a cycle of Islamic honor-related kidnappings, sexual assaults, beatings and murder that is spiralling out of control. According to the London-based Association of Chief Police Officers, up to 17,000 women in Britain are victims of honor-based violence – forced marriages, honor killings, kidnappings, sexual assaults, beatings, female genital mutilation and other forms of abuse – every year. This figure is 35 times higher than official figures suggest, and British detectives say it is "merely the tip of the iceberg" of this phenomenon.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2278/britain-islamic-emirates-project

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:34 pm

Islamic extremists are stepping up the creation of "no-go" areas in European cities that are off-limits to non-Muslims.

Many of the "no-go" zones function as microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law. Host-country authorities effectively have lost control in these areas and in many instances are unable to provide even basic public aid such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services.

The "no-go" areas are the by-product of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to create parallel societies and remain segregated rather than become integrated into their European host nations.

In Britain, for example, a Muslim group called Muslims Against the Crusades has launched a campaign to turn twelve British cities – including what it calls "Londonistan" – into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic Sharia law and operate entirely outside British jurisprudence.

The Islamic Emirates Project names the British cities of Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, as well as Waltham Forest in northeast London and Tower Hamlets in East London as territories to be targeted for blanket Sharia rule.

In the Tower Hamlets area of East London (also known as the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets), for example, extremist Muslim preachers, called the Tower Hamlets Taliban, regularly issue death threats to women who refuse to wear Islamic veils. Neighborhood streets have been plastered with posters declaring "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced." And street advertising deemed offensive to Muslims is regularly vandalized or blacked out with spray paint.

In the Bury Park area of Luton, Muslims have been accused of "ethnic cleansing" by harassing non-Muslims to the point that many of them move out of Muslim neighborhoods. In the West Midlands, two Christian preachers have been accused of "hate crimes" for handing out gospel leaflets in a predominantly Muslim area of Birmingham. In Leytonstone in east London, the Muslim extremist Abu Izzadeen heckled the former Home Secretary John Reid by saying: "How dare you come to a Muslim area."

In France, large swaths of Muslim neighborhoods are now considered "no-go" zones by French police. At last count, there are 751 Sensitive Urban Zones (Zones Urbaines Sensibles, ZUS), as they are euphemistically called. A complete list of the ZUS can be found on a French government website, complete with satellite maps and precise street demarcations. An estimated 5 million Muslims live in the ZUS, parts of France over which the French state has lost control.

Muslim immigrants are taking control of other parts of France too. In Paris and other French cities with high Muslim populations, such as Lyons, Marseilles and Toulouse, thousands of Muslims are closing off streets and sidewalks (and by extension, are closing down local businesses and trapping non-Muslim residents in their homes and offices) to accommodate overflowing crowds for Friday prayers. Some mosques have also begun broadcasting sermons and chants of "Allahu Akbar" via loudspeakers into the streets.

The weekly spectacles, which have been documented by dozens of videos posted on Youtube.com (here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here), and which have been denounced as an "occupation without tanks or soldiers," have provoked anger and disbelief. But despite many public complaints, local authorities have declined to intervene because they are afraid of sparking riots.

In the Belgian capital of Brussels (which is 20% Muslim), several immigrant neighborhoods have become "no-go" zones for police officers, who frequently are pelted with rocks by Muslim youth. In the Kuregem district of Brussels, which often resembles an urban war zone, police are forced to patrol the area with two police cars: one car to carry out the patrols and another car to prevent the first car from being attacked. In the Molenbeek district of Brussels, police have been ordered not to drink coffee or eat a sandwich in public during the Islamic month of Ramadan.

In Germany, Chief Police Commissioner Bernhard Witthaut, in an August 1 interview with the newspaper Der Westen, revealed that Muslim immigrants are imposing "no-go" zones in cities across Germany at an alarming rate.

The interviewer asked Witthaut: "Are there urban areas – for example in the Ruhr – districts and housing blocks that are "no-go areas," meaning that they can no longer be secured by the police?" Witthaut replied: "Every police commissioner and interior minister will deny it. But of course we know where we can go with the police car and where, even initially, only with the personnel carrier. The reason is that our colleagues can no longer feel safe there in twos, and have to fear becoming the victim of a crime themselves. We know that these areas exist. Even worse: in these areas crimes no longer result in charges. They are left 'to themselves.' Only in the worst cases do we in the police learn anything about it. The power of the state is completely out of the picture."

In Italy, Muslims have been commandeering the Piazza Venezia in Rome for public prayers. In Bologna, Muslims repeatedly have threatened to bomb the San Petronio cathedral because it contains a 600-year-old fresco inspired by Dante's Inferno which depicts Mohammed being tormented in hell.

In the Netherlands, a Dutch court ordered the government to release to the public a politically incorrect list of 40 "no-go" zones in Holland. The top five Muslim problem neighborhoods are in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Utrecht. The Kolenkit area in Amsterdam is the number one Muslim "problem district" in the country. The next three districts are in Rotterdam – Pendrecht, het Oude Noorden and Bloemhof. The Ondiep district in Utrecht is in the fifth position, followed by Rivierenwijk (Deventer), Spangen (Rotterdam), Oude Westen (Rotterdam), Heechterp/ Schieringen (Leeuwarden) and Noord-Oost (Maastricht).

In Sweden, which has some of the most liberal immigration laws in Europe, large swaths of the southern city of Malmö – which is more than 25% Muslim – are "no-go" zones for non-Muslims. Fire and emergency workers, for example, refuse to enter Malmö's mostly Muslim Rosengaard district without police escorts. The male unemployment rate in Rosengaard is estimated to be above 80%. When fire fighters attempted to put out a fire at Malmö's main mosque, they were attacked by stone throwers.

In the Swedish city of Gothenburg, Muslim youth have been hurling petrol bombs at police cars. In the city's Angered district, where more than 15 police cars have been destroyed, teenagers have also been pointing green lasers at the eyes of police officers, some of whom have been temporarily blinded.

In Gothenburg's Backa district, youth have been throwing stones at patrolling officers. Gothenburg police have also been struggling to deal with the problem of Muslim teenagers burning cars and attacking emergency services in several areas of the city.

According to the Malmö-based Imam Adly Abu Hajar: "Sweden is the best Islamic state."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones

by SEXY MAMA Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:35 pm

Exactly Smelly the 3 members were JAILED and rightly so.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:42 pm

3 people out of how many Muslims living here have been convicted?

Hardly evidence to claims of no go areas, not sure how 3 people can cover so many areas claimed to be and exercise such control on people to the extent people cannot go there.

The evidence clearly contradicts the view points and claims of the far right.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:01 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:Exactly Smelly the 3 members were JAILED and rightly so.

the point is that Muslim communities are running sharia courts and these courts are making rulings that are illegal since they are not the rulings of the British legal system

therefore sharia law does in many communities supersede British law and European law

these 3 people were the ones who were CAUGHT it doesn't mean that only 3 people were doing this, as the idiot didge is trying to suggest

by SEXY MAMA Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:04 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:Exactly Smelly the 3 members were JAILED and rightly so.

the point is that Muslim communities are running sharia courts and these courts are making rulings that are illegal since they are not the rulings of the British legal system

therefore sharia law does in many communities supersede British law and European law

these 3 people were the ones who were CAUGHT it doesn't mean that only 3 people were doing this, as the idiot didge is trying to suggest

What you fail to grasp is it was illegally done and they were punished for it.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:12 pm

So in Iran and other countries it is the nations law to hang homosexuals not sharia law??

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:12 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

the point is that Muslim communities are running sharia courts and these courts are making rulings that are illegal since they are not the rulings of the British legal system

therefore sharia law does in many communities supersede British law and European law

these 3 people were the ones who were CAUGHT it doesn't mean that only 3 people were doing this, as the idiot didge is trying to suggest

What you fail to grasp is it was illegally done and they were punished for it.

what you refuse to accept is that it is still happening

sharia law is superseding British law

this is a problem that you're trying to brush under the carpet because you think im having a go at Muslims and Islam, don't you understand that there will be female victims of rape and other forms of abuse that are forced to seek "justice" from an all male sharia court that isn't likely to side with the woman over the man, and if she goes to British authorities then she is likely to end up on the run or dead

you really need to grow up a bit and stop automatically defending all Muslims regardless of what they are doing, would YOU like to go to choudary who is a sharia judge for some justice??

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:12 pm

heavenly father wrote:So in Iran and other countries it is the nations law to hang homosexuals not sharia law??

irans law IS sharia law

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:15 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
heavenly father wrote:So in Iran and other countries it is the nations law to hang homosexuals not sharia law??

irans law IS sharia law

Thats what i thought so how will sharia law and the sharia law courts we all ready have work within British law, will they supercede our laws in certain respects.

by SEXY MAMA Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:18 pm

I think you really dont understand my posts or are deliberately diverting.

Are you really going to say the non Muslims do not suffer from domestic violence?

I dont defend people based on their religion, i defend them due to their character.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:23 pm

So will sharia law mean gays will be hung, let's face it that's a tad more extreme than saying we don't want gay marriages that certain political parties are getting egged for.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:25 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:I think you really dont understand my posts or are deliberately diverting.

Are you really going to say the non Muslims do not suffer from domestic violence?

I dont defend people based on their religion, i defend them due to their character.

of course non Muslims suffer domestic abuse

but what does that have to do with sharia courts??

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:26 pm

heavenly father wrote:So will sharia law mean gays will be hung, let's face it that's a tad more extreme than saying we don't want gay marriages that certain political parties are getting egged for.

homosexuality is punishable by death under Islamic law

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:32 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
heavenly father wrote:So will sharia law mean gays will be hung, let's face it that's a tad more extreme than saying we don't want gay marriages that certain political parties are getting egged for.

homosexuality is punishable by death under Islamic law

that is what i have read, so that would be bad for the homosexuals wouldn't it, so our current laws are nasty because we are slow to accept gay marriage but sharia law will be just a tad more serious for them.
Do you think they would egg mosques if it became law.

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:38 pm

heavenly father wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

homosexuality is punishable by death under Islamic law

that is what i have read, so that would be bad for the homosexuals wouldn't it, so our current laws are nasty because we are slow to accept gay marriage but sharia law will be just a tad more serious for them.
Do you think they would egg mosques if it became law.

if sharia law became the law,it would only happen because a Muslim army has successful invaded the UK and defeated the British army, in which case we would be living in the religious version of the Reich and i seriously doubt they would egg the mosques

by Guest Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:50 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
sadly poor old smelly missed the point of my post (no surprise there then)

your post had no relevance to the thread

the thread is about whether or not homosexuals would be hung if sharia law ruled,you posted up a pointless tidbit about how the law of the UK used to give the death penalty for those guilty of sodomy

sodomy is not exclusive to homosexual sex

Yes Yes Yes and Bla Bla Bla ...your funny :D

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:03 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

your post had no relevance to the thread

the thread is about whether or not homosexuals would be hung if sharia law ruled,you posted up a pointless tidbit about how the law of the UK used to give the death penalty for those guilty of sodomy

sodomy is not exclusive to homosexual sex
Yes Yes Yes and Bla Bla Bla ...your funny :D

you're stupid

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:38 pm

I think the point is, regardless of ANYTHING ELSE, even if sharia is only for "family matters" it is STILL an affront to british law.

BOTH sharia AND beth din courts should be shut down, with massive and serious penalties applied for participating in them. YOU live in britain, you are subject to BRITISH law. ONE law only. full stop finished.

IF you are of a different (race/religion/whatever) and you DONT want to accept that, then use your freedom to move somewhere where the laws that please you exist.

AND while we are on this subject the same with dietry requirements...
HALAL.... Kosher

Neither of which are enforceable if you live in a foreign country...the exception and exemption exists.

there are a series of marks by which you can tell halal food, BUT did you know that to carry that mark the producer has to pay "zakat" to the HFA this adds to the price WE pay for our food....even when many of us object to being forced to eat halal food against our wishes (and do NOT say otherwise...what choice does the child at school have...eat it or go hungry AND it is NOT up to the childs parents to provide a packed lunch...THIS IS BRITAIN...and BRITISH LAW is supreme It is rather up to the one who has religious dietry needs to bring a suitable packed lunch.

I dont mind, no really i dont, you can follow whatever man on a cloud nonsense you wish for me...BUT you live here
and "here"s laws are the ONLY law. And you do not have the right to any "special consideration" NOR do you have the right to demand that WE adjust to and accept ANY of "your" practices
for a number of reasons i find halal and kosher repugnant these reasons being

Ethical
spiritual
the fact its kept hidden
the fact that rational debate on it is discouraged
the fact that until very recently it has been impossible to have a choice, and is still difficult
the fact that to have a choice costs more, whereas the opposite should be true, it should cost the one desiring this "special item" more. NON halal is "normal" halal is a "special item"...not the other way round.

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:42 pm

Fair points Victor and all true

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:44 pm

grumpy old git wrote:I think the point is, regardless of ANYTHING ELSE, even if sharia is only for "family matters" it is STILL an affront to british law.

BOTH sharia AND beth din courts should be shut down, with massive and serious penalties applied for participating in them. YOU live in britain, you are subject to BRITISH law. ONE law only. full stop finished.

IF you are of a different (race/religion/whatever) and you DONT want to accept that, then use your freedom to move somewhere where the laws that please you exist.

AND while we are on this subject the same with dietry requirements...
HALAL.... Kosher

Neither of which are enforceable if you live in a foreign country...the exception and exemption exists.

there are a series of marks by which you can tell halal food, BUT did you know that to carry that mark the producer has to pay "zakat" to the HFA this adds to the price WE pay for our food....even when many of us object to being forced to eat halal food against our wishes (and do NOT say otherwise...what choice does the child at school have...eat it or go hungry AND it is NOT up to the childs parents to provide a packed lunch...THIS IS BRITAIN...and BRITISH LAW is supreme It is rather up to the one who has religious dietry needs to bring a suitable packed lunch.

I dont mind, no really i dont, you can follow whatever man on a cloud nonsense you wish for me...BUT you live here
and "here"s laws are the ONLY law. And you do not have the right to any "special consideration" NOR do you have the right to demand that WE adjust to and accept ANY of "your" practices
for a number of reasons i find halal and kosher repugnant these reasons being

Ethical
spiritual
the fact its kept hidden
the fact that rational debate on it is discouraged
the fact that until very recently it has been impossible to have a choice, and is still difficult
the fact that to have a choice costs more, whereas the opposite should be true, it should cost the one desiring this "special item" more. NON halal is "normal" halal is a "special item"...not the other way round.

I agree that sharia and beth din courts should be shut down.

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:47 pm

I think what Victor said was good just like the thread here:

https://newsfix.niceboard.com/t2207-faith-why-tony-blair-is-right-and-so-dangerously-wrong

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:50 pm

PhilDidge wrote:Fair points Victor and all true

If sharia law ruled in Britain would gays be hung?? Fainting-smiley

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:55 pm

I remember a piece in the papers ages ago that British officials were not being given full access to the sharia courts to see what is going on in these courts, I don't know if this has changed but if it hasn't anything could be going on.

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:13 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
Yes Yes Yes and Bla Bla Bla ...your funny :D

you're stupid

The term "homosexual" did not exist when this was the law

And i am not the expert in these matters that you seem to be
But don`t homosexuals commit sodomy (your expert knowledge in this would be helpful as i am not familiar with homosexual practices as you seem to be ) and therefore such law would target mostly homosexual men disproportionately

What they called it back then and what they call it now
Is a distinction with very little difference.

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:19 pm

it's one thing to say that sharia law would never over rule British law but i guess it is possible and then homosexuals wold be in a very dangerous place.

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:20 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
Yes Yes Yes and Bla Bla Bla ...your funny :D

You're stupid

Maybe, Maybe... But I am happy in the knowledge
That stupid is Twice as smart as you..... so it`s not all bad is it

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:44 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

you're stupid
The term "homosexual" did not exist when this was the law

And i am not the expert in these matters that you seem to be
But don`t homosexuals commit sodomy (your expert knowledge in this would be helpful as i am not familiar with homosexual practices as you seem to be ) and therefore such law would target mostly homosexual men disproportionately

What they called it back then and what they call it now
Is a distinction with very little difference.

Oh wow

Please tell me you aren't suggesting I'm gay to "get to me"

Most amusing

But you're still an idiot since your own post doesn't target gay men only

It's the law relating to SODOMY you simpleton.

by Guest Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:57 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
The term "homosexual" did not exist when this was the law

And i am not the expert in these matters that you seem to be
But don`t homosexuals commit sodomy (your expert knowledge in this would be helpful as i am not familiar with homosexual practices as you seem to be ) and therefore such law would target mostly homosexual men disproportionately

What they called it back then and what they call it now
Is a distinction with very little difference.

Oh wow

Please tell me you aren't suggesting I'm gay to "get to me"

Most amusing

But you're still an idiot since your own post doesn't target gay men only

It's the law relating to SODOMY you simpleton.

No i am suggesting you seem to know more about gays than i do

And as I pointed out difference with little distinction

The precise sexual acts meant by the term sodomy are rarely spelled out in the law, but are typically understood by courts to include any sexual act deemed to be "unnatural" or immoral

And Sodomy laws have rarely been enforced against heterosexual couples

But you catch two men at it so to speak, it's a done deal and as I said were put to death

So who was the law targeted at IMO homosexuals obviously
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see you through smelly .

by Guest Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:54 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

Oh wow

Please tell me you aren't suggesting I'm gay to "get to me"

Most amusing

But you're still an idiot since your own post doesn't target gay men only

It's the law relating to SODOMY you simpleton.

No i am suggesting you seem to know more about gays than i do

And as I pointed out difference with little distinction

The precise sexual acts meant by the term sodomy are rarely spelled out in the law, but are typically understood by courts to include any sexual act deemed to be "unnatural" or immoral

And Sodomy laws have rarely been enforced against heterosexual couples

But you catch two men at it so to speak, it's a done deal and as I said were put to death

So who was the law targeted at IMO homosexuals obviously
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see you through smelly .

bull shit

the sodomy laws would have been applied equally according to the letter

under those laws it would have been irrelevant if the people involved were straight or gay, since the law only stipulates "sodomy" not homosexual sodomy

you sunk your own argument

by Ben Reilly Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:58 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

Oh wow

Please tell me you aren't suggesting I'm gay to "get to me"

Most amusing

But you're still an idiot since your own post doesn't target gay men only

It's the law relating to SODOMY you simpleton.

No i am suggesting you seem to know more about gays than i do

And as I pointed out difference with little distinction

The precise sexual acts meant by the term sodomy are rarely spelled out in the law, but are typically understood by courts to include any sexual act deemed to be "unnatural" or immoral

And Sodomy laws have rarely been enforced against heterosexual couples

But you catch two men at it so to speak, it's a done deal and as I said were put to death

So who was the law targeted at IMO homosexuals obviously
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see you through smelly .

bull shit

the sodomy laws would have been applied equally according to the letter

under those laws it would have been irrelevant if the people involved were straight or gay, since the law only stipulates "sodomy" not homosexual sodomy

you sunk your own argument

That would be the letter of the law, but can you prove it was applied even-handedly?

by Guest Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:01 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
No i am suggesting you seem to know more about gays than i do

And as I pointed out difference with little distinction

The precise sexual acts meant by the term sodomy are rarely spelled out in the law, but are typically understood by courts to include any sexual act deemed to be "unnatural" or immoral

And Sodomy laws have rarely been enforced against heterosexual couples

But you catch two men at it so to speak, it's a done deal and as I said were put to death

So who was the law targeted at IMO homosexuals obviously
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see you through smelly .

bull shit

the sodomy laws would have been applied equally according to the letter

under those laws it would have been irrelevant if the people involved were straight or gay, since the law only stipulates "sodomy" not homosexual sodomy

you sunk your own argument

the word homosexual did not exist at the time ...how hard is that for you to grasp

by Guest Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:04 pm

A sodomy law is a law that defines certain sexual acts as crimes. The precise sexual acts meant by the term sodomy are rarely spelled out in the law, but are typically understood by courts to include any sexual act deemed to be "unnatural" or immoral.[1] Sodomy typically includes anal sex, oral sex and bestiality.[2][3][4] In practice, sodomy laws have rarely been enforced against heterosexual couples.[5]

Today, consensual homosexual acts between adults are illegal in about 70 out of the 195 countries of the world (approximately 36%); in 40 of these, only male-male sex is outlawed. In 2011, the United Nations Human Rights Council passed a LGBT rights resolution, which was followed up by a report published by the UN Human Rights Commissioner which included scrutinisation of the mentioned codes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law

Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, but it looks like you just gargled

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