Conservative MPs in talks with Labour about signing UK up to free movement after Brexit

At least 15 Conservative MPs are in talks with Labour over keeping Britain signed up to free movement after Britain leaves the European Union, The Telegraph can disclose. The Tory MPs could back a plan to keep the UK in the European Economic Area after Brexit which would require the UK to accept unlimited numbers of migrants from within the EU.

The news came as the Government published legislation which will repatriate thousands of Brussels powers to London after Britain leaves the EU in March 2019. It allow for the creation of 10 quangos to replace the existing EU institutions and will ensure that the UK Supreme Court is no longer subject to EU case law.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/13/conservative-mps-talks-labour-signing-uk-free-movement-brexit/


Again I would love to see the UK remain in the EU, (as its in our best interest security wise) but the very fact the vast majority of the populace want to leave and have restriction on EU movement could now sway favour towards the Tories. If this is the plan by some to hinder such such brexit plans.

I like how there is no majority government at the moment, (as i hoped it would bring more collaboration from both left and right, where they would have to help each other or the better future of this country) but by some planning to hinder plans.Will only ensure that the Tories would receive mass support in another snap election. All those UKIP supporters who swung towards Labour, would swing over to the Tories on this. As many thought Labour supported controlled immigration.

Should be interesting times ahead.

The British people have already made the decision to leave the EU... and for putting an end to free movement...!

Tommy Monk wrote:

The British people have already made the decision to leave the EU... and for putting an end to free movement...!

You'd be surprised how the rule manipulators can turn a game. Remember, Trump lost the election by 3-million votes. and he's now president.

You ain't won nothing until it's over.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

The British people have already made the decision to leave the EU... and for putting an end to free movement...!

You'd be surprised how the rule manipulators can turn a game.  Remember, Trump lost the election by 3-million votes. and he's now president.

You ain't won nothing until it's over.

Won nothing?


What on earth are you going on about?

Quill... you are talking rubbish again...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Quill... you are talking rubbish again...

Keep denying. The UK's Donald Trump day is coming.

This thread has nothing to do with US pres elections...

Tommy Monk wrote:This thread has nothing to do with US pres elections...

Its an example, tommy. Those who refuse to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. -- Santayana

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:This thread has nothing to do with US pres elections...

Its an example, tommy.  Those who refuse to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.  -- Santayana

I agree, so why is it then you have never learnt from history?

It was conservatives who ended slavery.

It was conservatives in the republicans that backed civil rights.

Back in the 60's you would have been a Republican based on your views today with civil rights.

I mean what actually has the left done in history other than millions of deaths from Communism?

I mean if we are talking about Liberal values? Then why is it those regressive left no longer represent them?

The lesson you never learn from history is that the Democrats were the Far Right, before 1970 and that you fail to recognize that. They have since changed and are on a par with what I agree in the main.
The problem is never conservatism per say, its always been religious conservatism or group specific hatred. Where that be racial, sexism, homophobia etc.

The reason people now worry today, is that religious conservatism holds sway and that is what is happening again in the US. With the Christian right and also the Islamic right world wide. Except stupidly so, some of the left align themselves with the Islamic right. When they should stand behind those who are moderate. The left fail to look specifically and always cast a group as whole and the same. This is wrong. When both religious conservative groups are very problematic. You wrongly have no problem castigating people for their Republican or Tory beliefs, but shy away when they are Islamic groups. Its those on the extreme Islamic right as problematic as the extreme Christian right. As such extreme conservative groups as well as such extreme left wing groups, spawn fanatics in abundance. The regressive left want to go "la la la, I am not listening to problems" When it comes to religious conservatism that is non_christian. They look wrongly that any criticism, is some hoe racism, because its these same regressive. That some how view others as not as advanced, thus giving leeway to wrongs done. Which is about as racist an argument that the left could make.They only chastise white people for wrongs, as you and others see them as being responsible for their actions. You see others not responsible, as you clearly hold them as inferior. When they should be as accountable as anyone else no matter their ethnicity or religion.

Go figure

So its you not learning from history.

So the question to ask is whether you advocate universal human rights. Or do you only apply and chastise those classed white with this? The skin colour should never be a factor to excuse wrongs done. We always have to look at the root cause of beliefs as to why people do and commit wrongs. 

So lets ask, why did many Japanese willingly give their lives?

Not worth responding.

Original Quill wrote:Not worth responding.

Well its easy to see why.

So again do you stand for Universal human rights?

Its odd really. As to me all humans are biologically one human race. Yet is those on the left that continually argue, that those classed as white are only ever wrong in how they act, because they are classed as white.
Hence why we know some on the right are very much racist based on skin colour, but its always been the left that are racist only ever holding those classed as white accountable for all crimes for thousands of years. Arguing because they are white.

I mean how racist can some of the left be?

As all people can and have the ability to commit wrongs. Their skin colour does not make them do what they do, beliefs do.

So I ask again, why do the left argue onto people if white, based on skin colour and not the real reasons if they commit crimes? As people always commit wrongs based on belief. If its because of their skin colour as to why they do wrongs. Well that is as racist as it gets. As you are then creating a racial difference. Not on why or what they believe but a racist stand that skin colour makes people do wrongs.

It's a jungle out there...

https://youtu.be/QvsQ9hYKq7c

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Not worth responding.

Well its easy to see why.

So again do you stand for Universal human rights?

Its odd really. As to me all humans are biologically one human race. Yet is those on the left that continually argue, that those classed as white are only ever wrong in how they act, because they are classed as white.
Hence why we know some on the right are very much racist based on skin colour, but its always been the left that are racist only ever holding those classed as white accountable for all crimes for thousands of years. Arguing because they are white.

I mean how racist can some of the left be?

As all people can and have the ability to commit wrongs. Their skin colour does not make them do what they do, beliefs do.

So I ask again, why do the left argue onto people if white, based on skin colour and not the real reasons if they commit crimes? As people always commit wrongs based on belief. If its because of their skin colour as to why they do wrongs. Well that is as racist as it gets. As you are then creating a racial difference. Not on why or what they believe but a racist stand that skin colour makes people do wrongs.

Bumped to get the thread back on track

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:This thread has nothing to do with US pres elections...

Its an example, tommy.  Those who refuse to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.  -- Santayana

We have learned from history... that is why we voted to leave the EU...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Its an example, tommy.  Those who refuse to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.  -- Santayana

We have learned from history... that is why we voted to leave the EU...

So what are you learning from the example?

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

We have learned from history... that is why we voted to leave the EU...

So what are you learning from the example?

That California leaving is not a good thing?

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:This thread has nothing to do with US pres elections...

Its an example, tommy.  Those who refuse to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.  -- Santayana

I've noticed that people often take things too literally.
If someone says 'this takes us all back to square one now'', does it mean he/she is trying to discuss squares?
...and if someone says ''this subject isn't my cup of tea''  does it mean he/she is discussing hot beverages?


Dunno why people take metaphors and simple analogies so literally sometimes?
Maybe it's just cheap stalling tactics?

Or maybe his comment was completely irrelevant...

Tommy Monk wrote:Or maybe his comment was completely irrelevant...

Have you not found it odd Tommy, that Quill argues for Caleixt (California Brexit, leaving the United States), by arguing against Britain leaving the EU?

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Or maybe his comment was completely irrelevant...

Have you not found it odd Tommy, that Quill argues for Caleixt (California Brexit, leaving the United States), by arguing against Britain leaving the EU?

That is a good observation, but it needs some adjustment. Unlike Britain leaving the EU, the west coast of the US is not leaving anything, but joining with the rest of the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The Pacific is the future. This is the trade partnership of the future. We are shedding the rust of the industrial belt, and the immorality of the American south, and looking west to new beginnings.

Here, the fifth largest economy in the world would join with the entire American Pacific coast to join in the pact of the most desirous trade partners in the history of the world. In the process we would be leaving behind a corrupt Republican party and a corrupt government, led by organized criminals in Moscow.

Quite the opposite of Brexit.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Have you not found it odd Tommy, that Quill argues for Caleixt (California Brexit, leaving the United States), by arguing against Britain leaving the EU?

That is a good observation, but it needs some adjustment.  Unlike Britain leaving the EU, the west coast of the US is not leaving anything, but joining with the rest of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.  The Pacific is the future.  This is the trade partnership of the future.  We are shedding the rust of the industrial belt, and the immorality of the American south, and looking west to new beginnings.

Here, the fifth largest economy in the world would join with the entire American Pacific coast to join in the pact of the most desirous trade partners in the history of the world.  In the process we would be leaving behind a corrupt Republican party and a corrupt government, led by organized criminals in Moscow.

Quite the opposite of Brexit.

So you are fundamentally being a hypocrite, being for one and against the other.

As Calexit is a separation from the rest of the United States.

He is deluded...

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

That is a good observation, but it needs some adjustment.  Unlike Britain leaving the EU, the west coast of the US is not leaving anything, but joining with the rest of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.  The Pacific is the future.  This is the trade partnership of the future.  We are shedding the rust of the industrial belt, and the immorality of the American south, and looking west to new beginnings.

Here, the fifth largest economy in the world would join with the entire American Pacific coast to join in the pact of the most desirous trade partners in the history of the world.  In the process we would be leaving behind a corrupt Republican party and a corrupt government, led by organized criminals in Moscow.

Quite the opposite of Brexit.

So you are fundamentally being a hypocrite, being for one and against the other.

As Calexit is a separation from the rest of the United States.

What are you stupid? The US is disintegrating before your eyes, and you think that California is the exception?

Tommy Monk wrote:He is deluded...

Do you have a file of these comments, tommy? They are so original and clever.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:


So you are fundamentally being a hypocrite, being for one and against the other.

As Calexit is a separation from the rest of the United States.

What are you stupid?  The US is disintegrating before your eyes, and you think that California is the exception?

I am merely pointing out your complete double standards here.

You argue against the Uk leaving the United States of Europe, but back California to leave the United States of America.

Its rank hypocrisy

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What are you stupid?  The US is disintegrating before your eyes, and you think that California is the exception?

I am merely pointing out your complete double standards here.

You argue against the Uk leaving the United States of Europe, but back California to leave the United States of America.

Its rank hypocrisy

California is not in the same position as the UK.  There is a difference between sunset and sunrise, didge.  It's the end of the day for Europe and the top of the morning for California.  

Brexit is digging up old memories that will never be again.  It's nostalgia, not reality.  Y'all are back to being a lonely island, before the great navy and the world empire.

World progress moves from east to west, for some reason.  Daniel Boorstein, The Discoverers (1983).  California is on the brink of it's greatness.  It is the fifth largest economy in the world, and with Silicon Valley, holds the keys to the new industrial revolution.  San Francisco is the banking center of the Pacific.  Modern industry, automobiles, aircraft, ship building, tooling, all are moved to the western Pacific.
Indeed, shipping itself, sets its roots down in California.

You guys are abandoning Europe for nostalgia.  We are turning our backs on the wasteland of America for new beginnings.  You have memories; we have promise.  The old America is not a democracy, nor is it a vision of anything but failure.  It cannot rid itself of it's deep-felt hatred (fear??) of the black man, nor can it progress beyond it's love for stagnant capitalism.  It was rooted in divisiveness and still carries guns around to express it's inner failure.  It was never one nation, indivisible...  As the pussy-grabber excellence has shown, it lives for its hatred toward one another.  It has never been "one nation". California can make all the dreams come about.

It's not a double standard, but two different situations...as different as night and day.  It is an ideal time for California and the rest of the west to go it's own way.  Sorry we can't take the east and northeast with us--hell, I wish we could take Scotland along--they are lovely, but geography poses its limits.

There is zero difference.

All your post did was try to excuse your hypocrisy

It fails in every category.

Thorin wrote:There is zero difference.

All your post did was try to excuse your hypocrisy

It fails in every category.

You see?  You're not in the same league for this kind of discussion. You keep hammering your point, with no elucidation, like you were playing a game of whack-a-mole. Lol.

I've made my points.  What else is going on?

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:There is zero difference.

All your post did was try to excuse your hypocrisy

It fails in every category.

You see?  You're not in the same league for this kind of discussion.

I've made my points.  What else is going on?

You are a hypocrite on the fact off separation.

Its a simple fact over this Quill

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

I am merely pointing out your complete double standards here.

You argue against the Uk leaving the United States of Europe, but back California to leave the United States of America.

Its rank hypocrisy

Britain is not in the same position as the California.  There is a difference between sunset and sunrise, didge.  It's the end of the day for the United States and the top of the morning for Britain.  

You guys are abandoning the US for nostalgia.  We are turning our backs on the wasteland of Europe for new beginnings.  You have memories; we have promise.  The old Europe is not a democracy, nor is it a vision of anything but failure.  It cannot rid itself of it's deep-felt hatred (fear??) of the black man, nor can it progress beyond it's love for stagnant capitalism.  It was rooted in divisiveness and still carries guns around to express it's inner failure.  It was never one nation, indivisible...  As the pussy-grabber excellence has shown, it lives for its hatred toward one another.  It has never been "one nation".  Britain can make all the dreams come about.

It's not a double standard, but two different situations...as different as night and day.  It is an ideal time for Britain and the rest of the west to go it's own way.  Sorry we can't take the east and northeast with us--hell, I wish we could take Scotland along--they are lovely, but geography poses its limits.

Now do you see how you are a hypocrite when I use your own words against you changing them slightly?

Shush, wack-a-mole. Let's get back to the original subject.

Frankly, I'm inclined to side with tommy on this one. You've already voted your intentions.

But an Article 50 act is like any other legislation...it can completely undo the original intent by amendments. That's the art of the game.

Watch and see if the MP's don't negotiate a never mind!

Original Quill wrote:Shush, wack-a-mole.  Let's get back to the original subject.

Frankly, I'm inclined to side with tommy on this one.  You've already voted your intentions.

But an Article 50 act is like any other legislation...it can completely undo the original intent by amendments.  That's the art of the game.

Watch and see if the MP's don't negotiate a never mind!

because although the plebs have voted
anyone with a functioning brain will still instinctively avoid suicidal actions

Yawn...

Tommy Monk wrote:Yawn...

we know that is the limit of your understanding on any issue

You would think that... cos you already think that we are all 'plebs'... us working class types, sticking our fingers up at the political and corporate ruling elite... voting for a return of democracy to the british people...

Tommy Monk wrote:

You would think that... cos you already think that we are all 'plebs'... us working class types, sticking our fingers up at the political and corporate ruling elite... voting for a return of democracy to the british people...

yep total pleb
when did you have a working democracy?
and where did you find a job?
what happens to the 'working class' when their is no work for them?

yep you have a totally plebian outlook on the global geopolitical reality

Our unemployment rates are lower than yours now taking into account the difference in population. YOU'V got nothing to brag about !

We will have our democracy restored when we are no longer subservient to the EU...!