Admins or mods?

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Are Veya, Lurker and Irn Bru just mods or are they administrators because it lists them as admins under their usernames?

Korben Dallas wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I kinda agree, Queenie.  Irn is one of the nicest guys around, but he is 'first mate' to one of the most dangerous posters here.  That poster is known for her stalking (which she has admitted/shown to me personally), and tantrums, etc.  The issue is, what did Irn learn in confidence, and then convey to her in casual conversation?  We know she squirrels such things away, and it inevitably comes back in one of her tantrums.

I don't want to argue the underlying matter right here.  But I do want to lay down enough to show that my concern is genuine and well-founded.

So, as long as y'all were discussing it anyway...

first mate' to one of the most dangerous posters here ? and who would that be ?


edit
never mind
same old same old

I don't want to argue the underlying matter, T. You obviously do...just do it without me.

Original Quill wrote:

Korben Dallas wrote:
first mate' to one of the most dangerous posters here ? and who would that be ?


edit
never mind
same old same old

I don't want to argue the underlying matter, T.  You obviously do...just do it without me.

But you said "So, as long as y'all were discussing it anyway" .
So you brought it up
And once it clicked who you were referring to
that's  why I said never mind

so i would suggest you make your mind up what you want


And just as a closing thought the person who originally informed me of your real name wasn`t who you are referring to was it
It was in fact one of your friends

Original Quill wrote:

Queen Of Hearts wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

What history have you or anyone else had with me as a moderator?

Again, I have no issue with you personally, I don't dislike you or anything like that.

I kinda agree, Queenie.  Irn is one of the nicest guys around, but he is 'first mate' to one of the most dangerous posters here.  That poster is known for her stalking (which she has admitted/shown to me personally), and tantrums, etc.  The issue is, what did Irn learn in confidence, and then convey to her in casual conversation?  We know she squirrels such things away, and it inevitably comes back in one of her tantrums.

I don't want to argue the underlying matter right here.  But I do want to lay down enough to show that my concern is genuine and well-founded.

So, as long as y'all were discussing it anyway...

Ah Quill, I've been expecting you on this thread and as I thought you've been around sowing your little seeds to try and introduce some doubt about my credibility and whether I can be trusted enough to be a mod on this forum.
Well you really have a cheek because the only person I know that has revealed what were supposed to be the personal details of another poster and his family on any forum that I have been on is you. Yes Quill, you. You were sanctioned for doing just that so you have some serious form and questions to answer in that respect.
And just for the record, I have never ever banned anyone, called for anyone to be banned, edited anyone's posts, deleted anyone's posts or passed on any personal information about anyone. Just a shame that as someone who is supposed to be a trusted lawyer that you can't say the same. No jury is really required in your case chum because you are as guilty as sin itself so maybe you should go and try out your own personal brand of sh!t stirring somewhere else.

 

THE supposed "personal information" that Quill posted on 'SpeakFree' is actually in the PUBLIC DOMAIN ~
as "Stephen Reay" is the CEO of a multi-faceted publicly registered business in the north west of England, with such details available online !

THE person who Quill then mistakenly identified as Stephen Reay at that time was seemingly another fake ID in his own turn anyway ~ which then seems to have disappeared itself in the last couple of weeks ~ though I'll bet the person behind it is still here somewhere with a newly created identity !!   

AND no doubt he still also maintains his alter egos back on the 'FF' and 'CC' forums ?

ALSO ~ Quill wasn't the "only one" to reveal potential personal information on another member ~ as Stephenmarra had posted personal details that he had obtained from a member of the FF Forums a couple a couple of days before he in turn was "shown the door" at SpeakFree !     

"As the world turns, turns, turns..."   

Beekeeper wrote: 

THE supposed "personal information" that Quill posted on 'SpeakFree' is actually in the PUBLIC DOMAIN ~
as "Stephen Reay" is the CEO of a multi-faceted publicly registered business in the north west of England, with such details available online !

THE person who Quill then mistakenly identified as Stephen Reay at that time was seemingly another fake ID in his own turn anyway ~ which then seems to have disappeared itself in the last couple of weeks ~ though I'll bet the person behind it is still here somewhere with a newly created identity !!   

AND no doubt he still also maintains his alter egos back on the 'FF' and 'CC' forums ?

ALSO ~ Quill wasn't the "only one" to reveal potential personal information on another member ~ as Stephenmarra had posted personal details that he had obtained from a member of the FF Forums a couple a couple of days before he in turn was "shown the door" at SpeakFree !     

"As the world turns, turns, turns..."   

Stephenmarra did not post that on speakfree though Bee did he
And quite frankly, if posters, post personal details about them self on a public forum that can be used to identify them they have only them self`s to blame
The amount of times I have warned people about this could fill a book

And Stephenmarra is NOT Stephen Reay, and I'm sure you will confirm Korben, he was NOT banned from Speakfree.

And this is the article Quill said he got his information from:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/female-first-owner-first-active-1232893

and it doesn't give any personal information about said Stephen Reay, never mentions his wife, which Quill gave personal information about, including her place of work, and does not link him in any way to any other Stephen, Marra or otherwise.

Sassy wrote:And Stephenmarra is NOT Stephen Rae, and I'm sure you will confirm Korben, he was NOT banned from Speakfree.

i have no idea to be honest i don`t know ether of them

Korben Dallas wrote:

Sassy wrote:And Stephenmarra is NOT Stephen Rae, and I'm sure you will confirm Korben, he was NOT banned from Speakfree.

i have no idea to be honest i don`t know ether of them

Perhaps Victor could verify that Stephenmarra was never banned? I know you can't verify who he is, you didn't know him very long, but nobody banned him from Speak.

And andrea used to get so het up about my rules preventing the dissemination of personal information

If Sphinx is trying to become a moderator I think you should know that her mental faculties and disability would render her totally unsuitable for any role in forum administration.

Warren Moon wrote:If Sphinx is trying to become a moderator I think you should know that her mental faculties and disability would render her totally unsuitable for any role in forum administration.

Hon I have given up any desire to mod or admin - I want to design and program - unfortunately to do that means I need some people who do want to be admins but they seem to be rather thin on the ground.

I wouldn't bother you don't have it mentally. Feels nice eh?

Warren Moon wrote:I wouldn't bother you don't have it mentally.  Feels nice eh?

Uh where does any sort of mental problem affect ability to design and programme? In fact when it comes to original design there does seem to be evidence that certain mental conditions are an advantage.

Your'e quite right, I have a degree in computing and spent 15 as a programmer, analyst and finished a an IT Manager.

Think well upon your past actions my dear.

Warren Moon wrote:Your'e quite right, I have a degree in computing and spent 15 as a programmer, analyst and finished a an IT Manager.

Think well upon your past actions my dear.

Have you got php?

No VD.

Warren Moon wrote:No VD.

Presumably you have at some point covered stuff about how you make impressions on people and how those impressions can affect their opinion as to whether you make a suitable candidate for any opportunities they have in mind.

The question about php was serious.

No flannel or flim-flam, you used me then kicked me .... regardless of the reasons why. Even so i was still there for you when the shit hit the fan.

So I add you to the list of people not interested.

Warren Moon wrote:If Sphinx is trying to become a moderator I think you should know that her mental faculties and disability would render her totally unsuitable for any role in forum administration.

That's hilarious coming from you, WM.

Oh dear God.
Ben, when I joined here ages ago you had a safe, quiet forum.

You are on your way to a noisy, fucked-up place.
I wish you luck..

Hallo Irn btw! Hope you're well x

eddie wrote:Oh dear God.
Ben, when I joined here ages ago you had a safe, quiet forum.

You are on your way to a noisy, fucked-up place.
I wish you luck..

Hallo Irn btw! Hope you're well x

On my way? I thought I'd gotten there already!   

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Oh dear God.
Ben, when I joined here ages ago you had a safe, quiet forum.

You are on your way to a noisy, fucked-up place.
I wish you luck..

Hallo Irn btw! Hope you're well x

On my way? I thought I'd gotten there already!   

Well I certainly like your approach to moderation.
I cannot stand posters who abuse then cry to admin when they get it back.

You won't hear me complaining.   

eddie wrote:Oh dear God.
Ben, when I joined here ages ago you had a safe, quiet forum.

You are on your way to a noisy, fucked-up place.
I wish you luck..

Hallo Irn btw! Hope you're well x

Hi eddie. I am well thank you and I hope you are too and of course the bairns as well. I expect the laddie will be sort of pleased with the Hammers winning 2-0 today but disappointed that big Andy got sent off after just coming back after injury.
Anyway, I see you have been busy around the forum which is good so I'll expect we'll bump into each other along the way.

Irn Bru wrote:

eddie wrote:Oh dear God.
Ben, when I joined here ages ago you had a safe, quiet forum.

You are on your way to a noisy, fucked-up place.
I wish you luck..

Hallo Irn btw! Hope you're well x

Hi eddie. I am well thank you and I hope you are too and of course the bairns as well. I expect the laddie will be sort of pleased with the Hammers winning 2-0 today but disappointed that big Andy got sent off after just coming back after injury.
Anyway, I see you have been busy around the forum which is good so I'll expect we'll bump into each other along the way.

Hahahaha my son is a TRAITOR!! he has made the hammers his "second team" and now "supports" Spurs!!!
Pfffffff! I wouldn't want him on my team lol

Good to see you x

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Warren Moon wrote:If Sphinx is trying to become a moderator I think you should know that her mental faculties and disability would render her totally unsuitable for any role in forum administration.

That's hilarious coming from you, WM.

You don't know the story Ben.

eddie wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

eddie wrote:Oh dear God.
Ben, when I joined here ages ago you had a safe, quiet forum.

You are on your way to a noisy, fucked-up place.
I wish you luck..

Hallo Irn btw! Hope you're well x

Hi eddie. I am well thank you and I hope you are too and of course the bairns as well. I expect the laddie will be sort of pleased with the Hammers winning 2-0 today but disappointed that big Andy got sent off after just coming back after injury.
Anyway, I see you have been busy around the forum which is good so I'll expect we'll bump into each other along the way.

Hahahaha my son is a TRAITOR!! he has made the hammers his "second team" and now "supports" Spurs!!!
Pfffffff! I wouldn't want him on my team lol

Good to see you x

I'll bet you talked him into that just because you support them. You got lucky against us up in Edinburgh but you couldn't beat us at WHL.

Anyway, we're in the sh!t now big time.

Irn Bru wrote:

eddie wrote:

Hahahaha my son is a TRAITOR!! he has made the hammers his "second team" and now "supports" Spurs!!!
Pfffffff! I wouldn't want him on my team lol

Good to see you x

I'll bet you talked him into that just because you support them. You got lucky against us up in Edinburgh but you couldn't beat us at WHL.

Anyway, we're in the sh!t now big time.

Hahahaha yes you are   
And no, I didn't talk him into it, but he has become wise in his years.
Spurs rule   

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Oh dear God.
Ben, when I joined here ages ago you had a safe, quiet forum.

You are on your way to a noisy, fucked-up place.
I wish you luck..

Hallo Irn btw! Hope you're well x

On my way? I thought I'd gotten there already!   

Don't worry Ben, just sit back and watch the show x

feelthelove wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

On my way? I thought I'd gotten there already!   

Don't worry Ben, just sit back and watch the show x

And what a show   

eddie wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

Don't worry Ben, just sit back and watch the show x

And what a show   

Says the silhouetted women with a butterfly on her ass.

sphinx wrote:

eddie wrote:


And what a show   

Says the silhouetted women with a butterfly on her ass.

hahahahaha yep, that's me  :D 
May change it later though, may put an actual pic up

Irn Bru wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I kinda agree, Queenie.  Irn is one of the nicest guys around, but he is 'first mate' to one of the most dangerous posters here.  That poster is known for her stalking (which she has admitted/shown to me personally), and tantrums, etc.  The issue is, what did Irn learn in confidence, and then convey to her in casual conversation?  We know she squirrels such things away, and it inevitably comes back in one of her tantrums.

I don't want to argue the underlying matter right here.  But I do want to lay down enough to show that my concern is genuine and well-founded.

So, as long as y'all were discussing it anyway...

Ah Quill, I've been expecting you on this thread and as I thought you've been around sowing your little seeds to try and introduce some doubt about my credibility and whether I can be trusted enough to be a mod on this forum.
Well you really have a cheek because the only person I know that has revealed what were supposed to be the personal details of another poster and his family on any forum that I have been on is you. Yes Quill, you. You were sanctioned for doing just that so you have some serious form and questions to answer in that respect.
And just for the record, I have never ever banned anyone, called for anyone to be banned, edited anyone's posts, deleted anyone's posts or passed on any personal information about anyone. Just a shame that as someone who is supposed to be a trusted lawyer that you can't say the same. No jury is really required in your case chum because you are as guilty as sin itself so maybe you should go and try out your own personal brand of sh!t stirring somewhere else.

Irn, I have no criticism of you at all.  I think you are a gentleman and an excellent poster.  But you must admit we have a situation.  You are extremely close to someone who will take any opportunity to fault or otherwise malign me.  Therefore I must be guarded when communicating with you.

As to your criticism of me for the Stephenmara matter, you are beating a dead horse.  First, it has already been pointed out that the information that I posted about Stephen was public domain.  The newspaper article I proffered was simply an example of how public Stephen's life really is.  Stephen owns a huge website, Female First, of which I have been a member since 2004.  He was first known as "Stephen" (he likes to use his real name in his own tag) until about 2007, when he changed it to "Judge."  As an active participant in his own website, he actively posts about things...including his own life.  His wife is in the public domain, as is her business.  His pub is well known, and many other details which I omitted.  I could have posted the business address of Female First, near Wigan, but I did not.

Second, the message I had for Stephen was,  if you live in a glass house, do not throw stones...don't start something you wouldn't like to finish.  Stephen was going into my background with abandon--a fact that was completely ignored by Admin of Speak Free.  Thus I had to take matters into my own hands.

Third, the truth of my assumption was revealed by Admin of Speak Free himself.  Putting aside the fact that it was all public domain information, had I been mistaken about who Stephen was, I would never have been banned.  There is no rule against being mistaken.  I was sanctioned for speaking of (putative) private facts, about a real person.  There is no other interpretation.

As to why Stephen was treated to most-favoured status whereas I was not, the answer lies in the major flaw of Speak Free.  Cronyism was rampant over there.  Most of the members of SF (as here) were from Sky, which closed.  The conservatives were pushed out by the liberal gang, and that left only Bee and me, who are liberal, but not ex-Sky.  So despite the fact that the info was public domain, the trouble arose because Stephen was closer to Admin that was I.  It was more personal, than any violation of rules, Irn.  You are just twisting the facts to suit yourself...unfortunately, that's not a real option.

Original Quill wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Ah Quill, I've been expecting you on this thread and as I thought you've been around sowing your little seeds to try and introduce some doubt about my credibility and whether I can be trusted enough to be a mod on this forum.
Well you really have a cheek because the only person I know that has revealed what were supposed to be the personal details of another poster and his family on any forum that I have been on is you. Yes Quill, you. You were sanctioned for doing just that so you have some serious form and questions to answer in that respect.
And just for the record, I have never ever banned anyone, called for anyone to be banned, edited anyone's posts, deleted anyone's posts or passed on any personal information about anyone. Just a shame that as someone who is supposed to be a trusted lawyer that you can't say the same. No jury is really required in your case chum because you are as guilty as sin itself so maybe you should go and try out your own personal brand of sh!t stirring somewhere else.

Irn, I have no criticism of you at all.  I think you are a gentleman and an excellent poster.  But you must admit we have a situation.  You are extremely close to someone who will take any opportunity to fault or otherwise malign me.  Therefore I must be guarded when communicating with you.

As to your criticism of me for the Stephenmara matter, you are beating a dead horse.  First, it has already been pointed out that the information that I posted about Stephen was public domain.  The newspaper article I proffered was simply an example of how public Stephen's life really is.  Stephen owns a huge website, Female First, of which I have been a member since 2004.  He was first known as "Stephen" (he likes to use his real name in his own tag) until about 2007, when he changed it to "Judge."  As an active participant in his own website, he actively posts about things...including his own life.  His wife is in the public domain, as is her business.  His pub is well known, and many other details which I omitted.  I could have posted the business address of Female First, near Wigan, but I did not.

Second, the message I had for Stephen was,  if you live in a glass house, do not throw stones...don't start something you wouldn't like to finish.  Stephen was going into my background with abandon--a fact that was completely ignored by Admin of Speak Free.  Thus I had to take matters into my own hands.

Third, the truth of my assumption was revealed by Admin of Speak Free himself.  Putting aside the fact that it was all public domain information, had I been mistaken about who Stephen was, I would never have been banned.  There is no rule against being mistaken.  I was sanctioned for speaking of (putative) private facts, about a real person.  There is no other interpretation.

As to why Stephen was treated to most-favoured status whereas I was not, the answer lies in the major flaw of Speak Free.  Cronyism was rampant over there.  Most of the members of SF (as here) were from Sky, which closed.  The conservatives were pushed out by the liberal gang, and that left only Bee and me, who are liberal, but not ex-Sky.  So despite the fact that the info was public domain, the trouble arose because Stephen was closer to Admin that was I.  It was more personal, than any violation of rules, Irn.  You are just twisting the facts to suit yourself...unfortunately, that's not a real option.

I assume you are referring to Victor when siting the Admin ?

Warren Moon wrote:Your'e quite right, I have a degree in computing and spent 15 as a programmer, analyst and finished a an IT Manager.

Think well upon your past actions my dear.

Your degree is in Electrical Engineering. If programming is a sub-field, well ok.

And quit being an asshole toward sphinx. She has every right to be whatever she wants.

Korben Dallas wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Irn, I have no criticism of you at all.  I think you are a gentleman and an excellent poster.  But you must admit we have a situation.  You are extremely close to someone who will take any opportunity to fault or otherwise malign me.  Therefore I must be guarded when communicating with you.

As to your criticism of me for the Stephenmara matter, you are beating a dead horse.  First, it has already been pointed out that the information that I posted about Stephen was public domain.  The newspaper article I proffered was simply an example of how public Stephen's life really is.  Stephen owns a huge website, Female First, of which I have been a member since 2004.  He was first known as "Stephen" (he likes to use his real name in his own tag) until about 2007, when he changed it to "Judge."  As an active participant in his own website, he actively posts about things...including his own life.  His wife is in the public domain, as is her business.  His pub is well known, and many other details which I omitted.  I could have posted the business address of Female First, near Wigan, but I did not.

Second, the message I had for Stephen was,  if you live in a glass house, do not throw stones...don't start something you wouldn't like to finish.  Stephen was going into my background with abandon--a fact that was completely ignored by Admin of Speak Free.  Thus I had to take matters into my own hands.

Third, the truth of my assumption was revealed by Admin of Speak Free himself.  Putting aside the fact that it was all public domain information, had I been mistaken about who Stephen was, I would never have been banned.  There is no rule against being mistaken.  I was sanctioned for speaking of (putative) private facts, about a real person.  There is no other interpretation.

As to why Stephen was treated to most-favoured status whereas I was not, the answer lies in the major flaw of Speak Free.  Cronyism was rampant over there.  Most of the members of SF (as here) were from Sky, which closed.  The conservatives were pushed out by the liberal gang, and that left only Bee and me, who are liberal, but not ex-Sky.  So despite the fact that the info was public domain, the trouble arose because Stephen was closer to Admin that was I.  It was more personal, than any violation of rules, Irn.  You are just twisting the facts to suit yourself...unfortunately, that's not a real option.

I assume you are referring to Victor when siting the Admin ?

Yes, T...you were more than fair as second Admin over there. Victor fell prey to cronyism, and favoured the old Sky Network members over others. Wonderful fellow as well...but there was that flaw.

I will point out here that running a forum is something that looks sooo soooo easy until you actually try it

RIGHT...I have had ENOUGH

BEN i know this is your forum and I guess you are as sick of the continued fall out from speakfree as anyone.
I hope you will allow me this one time right of reply, i am going to put MY point of view, once and once ONLY ...I will NOT reply any further.

FIRSTLY there was a fall out over my banning didge, which the mods disagreed with. NOW they then went and made two "errors" the first was to blame another poster for this....that is NOT the case...I banned didge because i allowed my personal feelings about him cloud my better judgement, a mistake I admit to and one which upon reflection, and in consultation with another remaining mod, I decided should be undone...at the same time, such a realisation made me wonder if I had been fair with other bans, so I called the amnesty in order to settle any doubts.

The second error was to not bring their greiveance to me directly, but to discuss the matter "in the loft" as it were

that said THAT was not the reason for closure.

The second problem was a fall out between a few of the mods due to something I STILL have no idea over...and really dont WANT to know.
personal disputes became embedded in the attitudes in the forum and things got a bit...heated...despite myself and my then co admin trying to keep a lid on it.

however THAT was not the reason for closure.

THEN we had the situation with Quill posting what appeared to be personal details of another poster. whether or not these details ARE public domain or not is beside the point.....what does quill expect me to do...go on a massive internet search to find out, or simply accept his word?? or what?
the fact that at the end of it all it still seems quill was mistaken as to the identity of another poster is irrelevant.
the details WERE posted. there was a risk they could have been real...THAT is sufficient IMO to earn a cautionary sanction.
the other poster mentioned posted a picture of a musician, who's name apparantly matched another poster...but nothing else..IT COULD have been coincidence...I didnt believe it but non the less, this posters name WAS known to a number of people who had taken the time to cross reference may of the things he had posted....

now posting details purporting to be of a another person is a serious matter.
posting a picture of someone with the same name as another poster is well, potentially bad, but I took it as a hint that there COULD..be more to come. It was a THREAT to reveal more details...now thats just wrong and the poster who put that up was told in no uncertain terms of the consequences of going further

quill then made a mighty song and dance about it. I was accused of all sorts of things...

so i thought put all these together, and thought why the hell do I bother...I made a call to my co admin (who had also had enough and we both though oh fuck it...its not worth the bother....


THATS WHY SF closed....because the members clearly wanted it to....NO-ONE was prepared to make the effort to keep it working and all they could do was kick the admins...BOTH TTS and myself were accused of siding with one side or another this faction that faction....so......

you may have noticed that since I have been on here I have been a lot less restrained in my posting....Because as ADMIN i was constrained to try to keep a neutral line and still get my point across....NOT ANY MORE


stephenmara was NOT banned, or sanctioned in any way.

the matter is now closed...doubtless others will have yet another go... ::dunno:: I should care....

quill: stephen reay was conservative, stephenmarra was leftwing. They have different linguistic patterns. I only remember Reay posting under the names paul and judge.
I believe they're different people. Bee believes they're different. Considering you're essentially accusing stephenmarra of running a computer hacking ring, I think it would have been better to wait unless and until you had real evidence to that end before making serious allegations.

grumpy old git wrote:RIGHT...I have had ENOUGH

BEN i know this is your forum and I guess you are as sick of the continued fall out from speakfree as anyone.
I hope you will allow me this one time right of reply, i am going to put MY point of view, once and once ONLY ...I will NOT reply any further.

FIRSTLY there was a fall out over my banning didge, which the mods disagreed with. NOW they then went and made two "errors" the first was to blame another poster for this....that is NOT the case...I banned didge because i allowed my personal feelings about him cloud my better judgement, a mistake I admit to and one which upon reflection, and in consultation with another remaining mod, I decided should be undone...at the same time, such a realisation made me wonder if I had been fair with other bans, so I called the amnesty in order to settle any doubts.

The second error was to not bring their greiveance to me directly, but to discuss the matter "in the loft" as it were

that said THAT was not the reason for closure.

The second problem was a fall out between a few of the mods due to something I STILL have no idea over...and really dont WANT to know.
personal disputes became embedded in the attitudes in the forum and things got a bit...heated...despite myself and my then co admin trying to keep a lid on it.

however THAT was not the reason for closure.

THEN we had the situation with Quill posting what appeared to be personal details of another poster. whether or not these details ARE public domain or not is beside the point.....what does quill expect me to do...go on a massive internet search to find out, or simply accept his word?? or what?
the fact that at the end of it all it still seems quill was mistaken as to the identity of another poster is irrelevant.
the details WERE posted. there was a risk they could have been real...THAT is sufficient IMO to earn a cautionary sanction.
the other poster mentioned posted a picture of a musician, who's name apparantly matched another poster...but nothing else..IT COULD have been coincidence...I didnt believe it but non the less, this posters name WAS known to a number of people who had taken the time to cross reference may of the things he had posted....

now posting details purporting to be of a another person is a serious matter.
posting a picture of someone with the same name as another poster is well, potentially bad, but I took it as a hint that there COULD..be more to come. It was a THREAT to reveal more details...now thats just wrong and the poster who put that up was told in no uncertain terms of the consequences of going further

quill then made a mighty song and dance about it. I was accused of all sorts of things...

so i thought put all these together, and thought why the hell do I bother...I made a call to my co admin (who had also had enough and we both though oh fuck it...its not worth the bother....


THATS WHY SF closed....because the members clearly wanted it to....NO-ONE was prepared to make the effort to keep it working and all they could do was kick the admins...BOTH TTS and myself were accused of siding with one side or another this faction that faction....so......

you may have noticed that since I have been on here I have been a lot less restrained in my posting....Because as ADMIN i was constrained to try to keep a neutral line and still get my point across....NOT ANY MORE


stephenmara was NOT banned, or sanctioned in any way.

the matter is now closed...doubtless others will have yet another go... ::dunno:: I should care....

How about we bugger off to the pub and swap horror stories - then we can kidnap Ben and share his.

Aye, and you can be sure that it wouldn't be the RWs that would be getting the drinks in. Miserable gits

grumpy old git wrote:RIGHT...I have had ENOUGH

BEN i know this is your forum and I guess you are as sick of the continued fall out from speakfree as anyone.
I hope you will allow me this one time right of reply, i am going to put MY point of view, once and once ONLY ...I will NOT reply any further.

FIRSTLY there was a fall out over my banning didge, which the mods disagreed with. NOW they then went and made two "errors" the first was to blame another poster for this....that is NOT the case...I banned didge because i allowed my personal feelings about him cloud my better judgement, a mistake I admit to and one which upon reflection, and in consultation with another remaining mod, I decided should be undone...at the same time, such a realisation made me wonder if I had been fair with other bans, so I called the amnesty in order to settle any doubts.

The second error was to not bring their greiveance to me directly, but to discuss the matter "in the loft" as it were

that said THAT was not the reason for closure.

The second problem was a fall out between a few of the mods due to something I STILL have no idea over...and really dont WANT to know.
personal disputes became embedded in the attitudes in the forum and things got a bit...heated...despite myself and my then co admin trying to keep a lid on it.

however THAT was not the reason for closure.

THEN we had the situation with Quill posting what appeared to be personal details of another poster. whether or not these details ARE public domain or not is beside the point.....what does quill expect me to do...go on a massive internet search to find out, or simply accept his word?? or what?
the fact that at the end of it all it still seems quill was mistaken as to the identity of another poster is irrelevant.
the details WERE posted. there was a risk they could have been real...THAT is sufficient IMO to earn a cautionary sanction.
the other poster mentioned posted a picture of a musician, who's name apparantly matched another poster...but nothing else..IT COULD have been coincidence...I didnt believe it but non the less, this posters name WAS known to a number of people who had taken the time to cross reference may of the things he had posted....

now posting details purporting to be of a another person is a serious matter.
posting a picture of someone with the same name as another poster is well, potentially bad, but I took it as a hint that there COULD..be more to come. It was a THREAT to reveal more details...now thats just wrong and the poster who put that up was told in no uncertain terms of the consequences of going further

quill then made a mighty song and dance about it. I was accused of all sorts of things...

so i thought put all these together, and thought why the hell do I bother...I made a call to my co admin (who had also had enough and we both though oh fuck it...its not worth the bother....


THATS WHY SF closed....because the members clearly wanted it to....NO-ONE was prepared to make the effort to keep it working and all they could do was kick the admins...BOTH TTS and myself were accused of siding with one side or another this faction that faction....so......

you may have noticed that since I have been on here I have been a lot less restrained in my posting....Because as ADMIN i was constrained to try to keep a neutral line and still get my point across....NOT ANY MORE


stephenmara was NOT banned, or sanctioned in any way.

the matter is now closed...doubtless others will have yet another go... ::dunno:: I should care....

   

Who really cares.

sphinx wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:RIGHT...I have had ENOUGH

BEN i know this is your forum and I guess you are as sick of the continued fall out from speakfree as anyone.
I hope you will allow me this one time right of reply, i am going to put MY point of view, once and once ONLY ...I will NOT reply any further.

FIRSTLY there was a fall out over my banning didge, which the mods disagreed with. NOW they then went and made two "errors" the first was to blame another poster for this....that is NOT the case...I banned didge because i allowed my personal feelings about him cloud my better judgement, a mistake I admit to and one which upon reflection, and in consultation with another remaining mod, I decided should be undone...at the same time, such a realisation made me wonder if I had been fair with other bans, so I called the amnesty in order to settle any doubts.

The second error was to not bring their greiveance to me directly, but to discuss the matter "in the loft" as it were

that said THAT was not the reason for closure.

The second problem was a fall out between a few of the mods due to something I STILL have no idea over...and really dont WANT to know.
personal disputes became embedded in the attitudes in the forum and things got a bit...heated...despite myself and my then co admin trying to keep a lid on it.

however THAT was not the reason for closure.

THEN we had the situation with Quill posting what appeared to be personal details of another poster. whether or not these details ARE public domain or not is beside the point.....what does quill expect me to do...go on a massive internet search to find out, or simply accept his word?? or what?
the fact that at the end of it all it still seems quill was mistaken as to the identity of another poster is irrelevant.
the details WERE posted. there was a risk they could have been real...THAT is sufficient IMO to earn a cautionary sanction.
the other poster mentioned posted a picture of a musician, who's name apparantly matched another poster...but nothing else..IT COULD have been coincidence...I didnt believe it but non the less, this posters name WAS known to a number of people who had taken the time to cross reference may of the things he had posted....

now posting details purporting to be of a another person is a serious matter.
posting a picture of someone with the same name as another poster is well, potentially bad, but I took it as a hint that there COULD..be more to come. It was a THREAT to reveal more details...now thats just wrong and the poster who put that up was told in no uncertain terms of the consequences of going further

quill then made a mighty song and dance about it. I was accused of all sorts of things...

so i thought put all these together, and thought why the hell do I bother...I made a call to my co admin (who had also had enough and we both though oh fuck it...its not worth the bother....


THATS WHY SF closed....because the members clearly wanted it to....NO-ONE was prepared to make the effort to keep it working and all they could do was kick the admins...BOTH TTS and myself were accused of siding with one side or another this faction that faction....so......

you may have noticed that since I have been on here I have been a lot less restrained in my posting....Because as ADMIN i was constrained to try to keep a neutral line and still get my point across....NOT ANY MORE


stephenmara was NOT banned, or sanctioned in any way.

the matter is now closed...doubtless others will have yet another go... ::dunno:: I should care....

How about we bugger off to the pub and swap horror stories - then we can kidnap Ben and share his.

would Ben WANT to be kidnapped by a grumpy old git and a batty pink pussy??????

grumpy old git wrote:

sphinx wrote:

How about we bugger off to the pub and swap horror stories - then we can kidnap Ben and share his.

would Ben WANT to be kidnapped by a grumpy old git and a batty pink pussy??????

Dont forget Seren!

a sphinx  :D 

NemsAgain wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:

would Ben WANT to be kidnapped by a grumpy old git and a batty pink pussy??????

Dont forget Seren!

Baaaaa!

grumpy old git wrote:

sphinx wrote:

How about we bugger off to the pub and swap horror stories - then we can kidnap Ben and share his.

would Ben WANT to be kidnapped by a grumpy old git and a batty pink pussy??????

Face it if when you were adminning a couple of miserable pinky bats had kidnapped you for a drink down the pub you would have fallen on your knees with gratitude   

sphinx wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:

would Ben WANT to be kidnapped by a grumpy old git and a batty pink pussy??????

Face it if when you were adminning a couple of miserable pinky bats had kidnapped you for a drink down the pub you would have fallen on your knees with gratitude   

too true sphinx...too true.....  

Original Quill wrote:

Korben Dallas wrote:
I assume you are referring to Victor when siting the Admin ?

Yes, T...you were more than fair as second Admin over there.  Victor fell prey to cronyism, and favoured the old Sky Network members over others.  Wonderful fellow as well...but there was that flaw.

well that`s NOT the tone or view you presented to me in your emails on the subject
Where among many things you said "I do care about your attitude. T, I’m smarter than you…or Victor. I am a trained attorney and a skilled criminal investigator. You, on the other hand, leave so many holes and loose ends in your story that it is obvious you are hiding something. You wouldn’t make it past the interview. "

Or did I misunderstand

Korben Dallas wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes, T...you were more than fair as second Admin over there.  Victor fell prey to cronyism, and favoured the old Sky Network members over others.  Wonderful fellow as well...but there was that flaw.

well that`s NOT the tone or view you presented to me in your emails on the subject
Where among many things you said "I do care about your attitude. T, I’m smarter than you…or Victor. I am a trained attorney and a skilled criminal investigator. You, on the other hand, leave so many holes and loose ends in your story that it is obvious you are hiding something. You wouldn’t make it past the interview. "

Or did I misunderstand

Another trained attorney and criminal investigator???
Erasmus is reborn!!!   

Holy shit, I ignore this thread for a few hours and look what's being proposed for me! :D