Nuisance neighbours...is this woman right to keep kids footballs?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

She didn't steal them, they were kicked over the fence into her garden.

She withheld them, then.  If I rob $100,000 from a bank, can I defend by pleading, the bank didn't ask for it back?

She knew she had them, she knew who they belonged to, and she made no effort to return them,   That's larceny.

veya_victaous wrote:

magica wrote:Why should she move into a home because she has problems with neighbours kicking balls into her garden, makes no sense.

You seem very anti towards elderly people.  So in your mind, you get old so should move out your home into care homes, or better still die, then problem solved. I don't get your take on this at all.

Yep, I'd move to retirement village, it's the only sensible thing to do if you are no longer working and by yourself. If I where too sick I'd choose to be euthanized (let alone such things may be compulsory in 40 years due to lack of recourses left)

Children Kicking balls over a Fence IS NOT SOMETHING that you should have a problem with, if you're not selfish and anti social. It is part of life, she has lived the noisy part of her life and now want peace nd quiet, so she should move away from the noisy parts of the community into a nice quiet retirement home. Again it's only sensible    

There is a good saying/joke:
Why are there so many more women in retirement homes??? Cause most men a smart enough to die      

I Will ask again WHY do all the ENGLISH has such negative connotations of living in a old folks Home what terrible thing have you made them? ( I am going to keep it up until someone explains why you all fear them      )

Syl wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Yep, I'd move to retirement village, it's the only sensible thing to do if you are no longer working and by yourself. If I where too sick I'd choose to be euthanized (let alone such things may be compulsory in 40 years due to lack of recourses left)

Children Kicking balls over a Fence IS NOT SOMETHING that you should have a problem with, if you're not selfish and anti social. It is part of life, she has lived the noisy part of her life and now want peace nd quiet, so she should move away from the noisy parts of the community into a nice quiet retirement home. Again it's only sensible    

There is a good saying/joke:
Why are there so many more women in retirement homes??? Cause most men a smart enough to die      

I Will ask again WHY do all the ENGLISH has such negative connotations of living in a old folks Home what terrible thing have you made them? ( I am going to keep it up until someone explains why you all fear them      )

OK, I will presume you are being serious and not just winding people up so I will answer.

I have a fair amount of experience in seeing people in care and nursing homes...and I imagine a LOT more than you do.
I have no idea what the care facilities are like in your country, in the UK they can vary. I looked at more than a dozen before we chose (with her blessing) the right one for my own mum, some I would not have put a dog in.

Not everyone can pick and choose....my MIL was in hospital for months (no doubt you would accuse her of bed blocking because she refused to die)  before a place could be found in ANY nursing home.
She is almost 103, blind, deaf and unable to walk, yet her zest for life is still so strong she can keep people amused for hours with her memories and stories of a life not many have known....she will die when she is ready and not before.

Many elderly people have bought and paid for the home they still live in, its where all their cherished memories are and its where they want to live, who are you to say they should give up that right?
In the OP its not the elderly lady at fault, its her neighbour. If someone was repeatedly ruining something you had paid for and cared for (in this case the ladies garden) you would probably (judging by the way you act on here) moan louder than anyone.  

Lastly...what makes you think people in the later part of their lives are useless? I know many elderly people (one myself) who have a brilliant life, kids off our hands, pleasing ourselves, fit and able to do what we want when we want. We know it wont last forever so we appreciate life and make the most of it....and we love it.  

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

OK, I will presume you are being serious and not just winding people up so I will answer.

I have a fair amount of experience in seeing people in care and nursing homes...and I imagine a LOT more than you do.
I have no idea what the care facilities are like in your country, in the UK they can vary. I looked at more than a dozen before we chose (with her blessing) the right one for my own mum, some I would not have put a dog in.

Not everyone can pick and choose....my MIL was in hospital for months (no doubt you would accuse her of bed blocking because she refused to die)  before a place could be found in ANY nursing home.
She is almost 103, blind, deaf and unable to walk, yet her zest for life is still so strong she can keep people amused for hours with her memories and stories of a life not many have known....she will die when she is ready and not before.

Many elderly people have bought and paid for the home they still live in, its where all their cherished memories are and its where they want to live, who are you to say they should give up that right?
In the OP its not the elderly lady at fault, its her neighbour. If someone was repeatedly ruining something you had paid for and cared for (in this case the ladies garden) you would probably (judging by the way you act on here) moan louder than anyone.  

Lastly...what makes you think people in the later part of their lives are useless? I know many elderly people (one myself) who have a brilliant life, kids off our hands, pleasing ourselves, fit and able to do what we want when we want. We know it wont last forever so we appreciate life and make the most of it....and we love it.  

The mentality that people should 'vacate' their homes, the homes they worked for, paid for, and shared all their lives with their families etc just because they're old and considered by some to be useless to society, just baffles me.  

Lord Foul wrote:so, when are you volunteering to be euthanised veya, given your ranting posts on here I'd suggest that perhaps the time has come......

Syl wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Yep, I'd move to retirement village, it's the only sensible thing to do if you are no longer working and by yourself. If I where too sick I'd choose to be euthanized (let alone such things may be compulsory in 40 years due to lack of recourses left)

Children Kicking balls over a Fence IS NOT SOMETHING that you should have a problem with, if you're not selfish and anti social. It is part of life, she has lived the noisy part of her life and now want peace nd quiet, so she should move away from the noisy parts of the community into a nice quiet retirement home. Again it's only sensible    

There is a good saying/joke:
Why are there so many more women in retirement homes??? Cause most men a smart enough to die      

I Will ask again WHY do all the ENGLISH has such negative connotations of living in a old folks Home what terrible thing have you made them? ( I am going to keep it up until someone explains why you all fear them      )

OK, I will presume you are being serious and not just winding people up so I will answer.

I have a fair amount of experience in seeing people in care and nursing homes...and I imagine a LOT more than you do.
I have no idea what the care facilities are like in your country, in the UK they can vary. I looked at more than a dozen before we chose (with her blessing) the right one for my own mum, some I would not have put a dog in.

Not everyone can pick and choose....my MIL was in hospital for months (no doubt you would accuse her of bed blocking because she refused to die)  before a place could be found in ANY nursing home.
She is almost 103, blind, deaf and unable to walk, yet her zest for life is still so strong she can keep people amused for hours with her memories and stories of a life not many have known....she will die when she is ready and not before.

Many elderly people have bought and paid for the home they still live in, its where all their cherished memories are and its where they want to live, who are you to say they should give up that right?
In the OP its not the elderly lady at fault, its her neighbour. If someone was repeatedly ruining something you had paid for and cared for (in this case the ladies garden) you would probably (judging by the way you act on here) moan louder than anyone.  

Lastly...what makes you think people in the later part of their lives are useless? I know many elderly people (one myself) who have a brilliant life, kids off our hands, pleasing ourselves, fit and able to do what we want when we want. We know it wont last forever so we appreciate life and make the most of it....and we love it.  [/quote

 Tried to give you a greeny seems I can do just one. Nemmind good post Syl x

Syl wrote:I think people should have the legal right to die when they choose. The way the law stands now terminally ill people (for eg) have to traipse abroad in order to die with dignity, which is ludicrous.

The one thing I worry about if the law was to ever change is when people become old or need looking after, they would be brow beaten, persuaded  or bullied by members of their family to die to order to suit THEM.

This thread is a good example of how that could easily happen.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:I think people should have the legal right to die when they choose. The way the law stands now terminally ill people (for eg) have to traipse abroad in order to die with dignity, which is ludicrous.

The one thing I worry about if the law was to ever change is when people become old or need looking after, they would be brow beaten, persuaded  or bullied by members of their family to die to order to suit THEM.

This thread is a good example of how that could easily happen.

They only have to go abroad in order for someone else to legally kill them. They can kill themselves here quite legally.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They only have to go abroad in order for someone else to legally kill them. They can kill themselves here quite legally.

Thats true but its nt as simple as that.
By the time they are ready to die they may not be in a position to kill themselves either mentally or physically.
They may not know how to kill themselves efficiently, they may also want to be with their family when they die....which could cause the family problems.
They may also want a specially trained medic to administer the dose to make sure everything goes smoothly physically and legally.

magica wrote:

Syl wrote:

Thats true but its nt as simple as that.
By the time they are ready to die they may not be in a position to kill themselves either mentally or physically.
They may not know how to kill themselves efficiently, they may also want to be with their family when they die....which could cause the family problems.
They may also want a specially trained medic to administer the dose to make sure everything goes smoothly physically and legally.

Also if anyone assists them they can be done for Manslaughter. Going abroad, there's no comebacks.  I wish they had this here.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They only have to go abroad in order for someone else to legally kill them. They can kill themselves here quite legally.

Thats true but its nt as simple as that.
By the time they are ready to die they may not be in a position to kill themselves either mentally or physically.
They may not know how to kill themselves efficiently, they may also want to be with their family when they die....which could cause the family problems.
They may also want a specially trained medic to administer the dose to make sure everything goes smoothly physically and legally.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

Thats true but its nt as simple as that.
By the time they are ready to die they may not be in a position to kill themselves either mentally or physically.
They may not know how to kill themselves efficiently, they may also want to be with their family when they die....which could cause the family problems.
They may also want a specially trained medic to administer the dose to make sure everything goes smoothly physically and legally.

It's a problem because doctors are trained to save lives, not take them. There are many pitfalls in such a situation such as - is the person of sound mind, and that kind of thing. I would not want to be a doctor who takes it on.

Lord Foul wrote:so, when are you volunteering to be euthanised veya, given your ranting posts on here I'd suggest that perhaps the time has come......

eddie wrote:When Veya dies I'm going to pop over and stick a rod up his arse and barbecue him over an open fire....feed him to all the old people so a small piece of him lives on in them forever.

Lord Foul wrote:Veya...in which case I take it that you agree with me when i say all those cretins bred in cities should have no cause to complain about noise when they move to the rural environment (which they should not be allowed to do in fact since they are neither qualified nor suited to it.

you know the sort...move into a village then complain to the local authority about the cockerels crowing at first light, the farmers working at 4:30, 5 ish to milk the herd etc.

Oh and you are both a liar and fdisingenious (unless of course you were dragged up rather than brought up)...

WE (my generation), were taught to be respectful of the old ones, to repect their privacy and give em some peace and quiet.  If that ment NOT playing football in a particular place then so be it....and sundays was a day of QUIET.....ok you could play, but EITHER quietly OR you went off into the fields away from houses (tough shit city dwellers but then YOU dont deserve it)


Its NOT my fault you are a spoilt brat that doesnt know the meaning of WORK...(as opposed to sitting for 8 hrs on your fat butt poking keys on a keyboard....AND NO your job isnt "special"  any monkey can code...in any language (computer) given time to adjust to it...

I started with Z80 basic and instruction code (in hex ) and now use the varient of c++ that arduinos use....(not a VAST amount of difference between that and basic )

and have variously used forth fortran cobol etc....
I've likely forgotten more that you will ever know

and

I can do sparky work, chippie work, brickie work, high frade carpentry

I can also do micro electronics design and assembly, trained as a microbiologist

and not only can I use all these "modern devices" sat nav etc...I can ALSO do it the "old way, with map and compass....a feat beyond tyhe younger generations

oh and finally I can actually calculate in my head.....you know things like centigrade to farenheit, estimate closely the height of a tree (and thus where it will fall)

cos I know my number tables by heart, along with sin cos and tan and logs in a handy book...

I dont NEED (liike you NEED oxygen) a calculator to do simple maths in my head

lets face it veya...if there was ever to be a severe solar flare that killed electronic devices...you would be feckin helpless...redundant...in fact pointless


do try growing up from that spoilt brat, who wants everything in life handing to him on a plate.

Raggamuffin wrote:How are older people wasting resources any more than younger people?

veya_victaous wrote:

@syl
I am partly winding people up

But down here you Purchase a Villa or unit in a retirement village, If you are sensible if you are not sensible and stay in the family home until you are too old then you will end up in a palliative care unit with sound more like the British nursing homes and do sort of Suck. If you wait until you are in hospital then it is TOO LATE.

Which is why wise people buy a place in a retirement village that normally have palliative units attached which will allow them to stay in the same facility and often the same dwelling until they need 24 hour care.

My Father's mother said it was some of the best year of her life as she was surrounded by friends her own age they took them on excursion and had heaps of community activities target at the elderly. and we all think my mother's father would have been better off going to one then staying in his own home which although we visited often he was still lonely and would not have needed to go to palliative care after a serious fall (he Never went to palliative care and we all pretty much know he killed himself or at least willed himself to death instead when finding out he was going to have to go to one.)


AND  You seem to Agree that  BRITISH Culture and British nursing homes are the issue.
Look at the links I posted for the ones my mum has looked at. they are all fully serviced almost like resorts.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:How are older people wasting resources any more than younger people?

Cause you had your turn

Plus they Do, Statically of course
More support non renewable energy, more live alone in large houses, more get upset about trying to change consumer habits to adopt less wasteful lifestyles.  Less recycle.

Other things include political policies that will see them get pension etc while making it all users pays for the next generation.
Cutting public education, space programs, science programs etc.

Too many Issues have been put off as 'that is a futures problem' Well for people my age that future will arrive when I'm your age or younger, Let alone "my children's" (I don't have any but would like some) generation that will suffer it in the prime of their lives.

veya_victaous wrote:@Syl
There are no young people on this forum
Even I am 34 so middle aged

veya_victaous wrote:@Syl
There are no young people on this forum
Even I am 34 so middle aged

And Build more, new ones coming up all the time down here to cope with the ageing population

@rags
Live Yes.. Fuck up the future No.. have political parties pander to them NO, fill up the economic centers and areas of employment NO.
AND Statically Untrue.

eddie wrote:Are you an OAP-Whisperer?

"Time to die now old fool...."