Women’s March London: Thousands Take To The Streets In Startling Show Of Strength

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It was brought up to leave or stay. If you only made leavers vote, you'd have to assume that everyone else who didn't vote wanted to stay, and that wouldn't necessarily be true.

Look it would be the same if we were not in the EU and a referendum was called for to join the EU.
If those wanting to join never obtained 50%+, then they would not be the majority of the populace would they?


Like I said, we are in the EU, the leave vote was only 38% of those eligible to vote
That means 62% wanted to stay or do not give a shit about leaving

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Look it would be the same if we were not in the EU and a referendum was called for to join the EU.
If those wanting to join never obtained 50%+, then they would not be the majority of the populace would they?


Like I said, we are in the EU, the leave vote was only 38% of those eligible to vote
That means 62% wanted to stay or do not give a shit about leaving

But a larger percentage either wanted to leave or didn't care either way - or didn't know which way to vote.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But a larger percentage either wanted to leave or didn't care either way - or didn't know which way to vote.

But again we are in the EU
38% wanted to lave
62% did not want to or did not care to vote
38% is not a majority of the populace is it?

Allow these facts to sink in slowly, because I have you by the balls

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:

But again we are in the EU
38% wanted to lave
62% did not want to or did not care to vote
38% is not a majority of the populace is it?

Allow these facts to sink in slowly, because I have you by the balls

No you haven't. A larger percentage wanted to leave or didn't care to vote. Unless you keep having referendums until there's 100% turnout, you'll never get a solution, and that's not going to happen.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No you haven't. A larger percentage wanted to leave or didn't care to vote. Unless you keep having referendums until there's 100% turnout, you'll never get a solution, and that's not going to happen.

You mean a minority percentage wanted to leave, 38%
That is not a majority is it?

Take your time on this.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No you haven't. A larger percentage wanted to leave or didn't care to vote. Unless you keep having referendums until there's 100% turnout, you'll never get a solution, and that's not going to happen.

You mean a minority percentage wanted to leave, 38%
That is not a majority is it?

Take your time on this.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


You mean a minority percentage wanted to leave, 38%
That is not a majority is it?

Take your time on this.

A smaller percentage wanted to stay or didn't care than the percentage who wanted to leave or didn't care. Are you grasping that yet Didge?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

A smaller percentage wanted to stay or didn't care than the percentage who wanted to leave or didn't care. Are you grasping that yet Didge?

Again we are "in" the EU
People are "claiming" the majority voted to leave the EU.
This is false, 38% is not the majority of the populace
Those who did not care would count to stay, based on the fact we are in the EU already and the emphasis on voting was to leave.
Simple terminology and logic

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Again we are "in" the EU
People are "claiming" the majority voted to leave the EU.
This is false, 38% is not the majority of the populace
Those who did not care would count to stay, based on the fact we are in the EU already and the emphasis on voting was to leave.
Simple terminology and logic

The vote was to find out if people wanted to stay or leave. The majority of people who voted want to leave. If you base all election successes on 50% of the popular vote with 100% turnout, nobody would get anywhere.

Those who did not care would not count as wanting to stay - because they didn't care. Those who couldn't decide could also not be counted as those who want to stay - because they didn't know.

Do you think the Scottish referendum should be void as there wasn't 100% turnout then?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The vote was to find out if people wanted to stay or leave. The majority of people who voted want to leave. If you base all election successes on 50% of the popular vote with 100% turnout, nobody would get anywhere.

Those who did not care would not count as wanting to stay - because they didn't care. Those who couldn't decide could also not be counted as those who want to stay - because they didn't know.

Do you think the Scottish referendum should be void as there wasn't 100% turnout then?

But we are in the EU
Those who voted to leave was 38% of the populace
How is 38% a majority Rags of those eligible to vote based out of 100%?
We are in the EU, so those who did not care, did not care to stay or leave and thus we are already in the EU, the onus, is on those voting to leave
They achieved 38%, thus those who did not care, would count as to stay
No I do not think the Scottish one should be void, as those wishing to leave have to get over 50%+ of the populace to vote for independence. Those voting to leave never achieved that.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


But we are in the EU
Those who voted to leave was 38% of the populace
How is 38% a majority Rags of those eligible to vote based out of 100%?
We are in the EU, so those who did not care, did not care to stay or leave and thus we are already in the EU, the onus, is on those voting to leave
They achieved 38%, thus those who did not care, would count as to stay
No I do not think the Scottish one should be void, as those wishing to leave have to get over 50%+ of the populace to vote for independence. Those voting to leave never achieved that.

Not caring means they didn't care if we stayed or left, so they can't be said to want to stay in. The onus was on people who wanted to stay to actually vote, and those who didn't failed.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


If you want to disqualify all the other candidates and leave it between just two of them
Otherwise it won't work
If one party was in power and one was challenging
Then it would work, people would only need to vote if they wanted change

It still wouldn't work as you would have to assume that the previous Tory voters would still vote Tory as opposed to not actually caring. Also, nobody knows who voted for which party because it's a secret ballot, so you'd only have people's word for it that they voted Tory, and how would you collect that information anyway?

Of course it would vote, as all that was required for people to do was vote for change

eddie wrote:

Thorin wrote:



Of course it would vote, as all that was required for people to do was vote for change

Perhaps those that didn't vote, didn't care.

Thorin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Thorin wrote:



Of course it would vote, as all that was required for people to do was vote for change

Perhaps those that didn't vote, didn't care.

I agree that they probably did not Eddie, but the referendum was called in order for people to have the chance to vote to leave
38% voted to leave out of the populace
Is that a majority Eddie?

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge.. it never fails to amaze me how you try to shoehorn such spurious arguments into debate and then try to insist they are valid...


There was a vote... everybody who was eligible to vote and wanted you vote, did vote... the result is based on the votes cast... not on those who didn't vote!!!

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not caring means they didn't care if we stayed or left, so they can't be said to want to stay in. The onus was on people who wanted to stay to actually vote, and those who didn't failed.

Of course they count as stay, as we are in and the onus is on to leave the EU
That was why a referendum was called, to allow for those moaning about the EU, to have a chance to vote to leave
They obtained 38% of the populace vote, which is not a majority of the populace

eddie wrote:

Thorin wrote:


I agree that they probably did not Eddie, but the referendum was called in order for people to have the chance to vote to leave
38% voted to leave out of the populace
Is that a majority Eddie?

Of the people who voted, yes.  You can't argue with that.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Of course they count as stay, as we are in and the onus is on to leave the EU
That was why a referendum was called, to allow for those moaning about the EU, to have a chance to vote to leave
They obtained 38% of the populace vote, which is not a majority of the populace

No, they wouldn't count as wanting to stay because they didn't care if we stayed. They didn't want to stay.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It still wouldn't work as you would have to assume that the previous Tory voters would still vote Tory as opposed to not actually caring. Also, nobody knows who voted for which party because it's a secret ballot, so you'd only have people's word for it that they voted Tory, and how would you collect that information anyway?

Of course it would vote, as all that was required for people to do was vote for change

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:



Of course it would vote, as all that was required for people to do was vote for change

It wouldn't work because you still wouldn't have 100% turnout. In your scenario, you would assume that all the people who didn't vote wanted the Tories to stay, and they might not want that - they might just dislike the other party.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It wouldn't work because you still wouldn't have 100% turnout. In your scenario, you would assume that all the people who didn't vote wanted the Tories to stay, and they might not want that - they might just dislike the other party.

Do you need a 100% turnout to get 50%+ of the vote to have a majority?
No you dont, so you are talking absolute nonsense

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I never claimed I didn't vote in the referendum.

I thought you said if you had voted earlier????

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Do you need a 100% turnout to get 50%+ of the vote to have a majority?
No you dont, so you are talking absolute nonsense

Well you seem to think you do. You're complaining about the fact that the vote to leave was based on less than 100% turnout. It's nonsense to say that those who didn't vote should be counted as wanting to stay, so 100% turnout would be required.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well you seem to think you do. You're complaining about the fact that the vote to leave was based on less than 100% turnout. It's nonsense to say that those who didn't vote should be counted as wanting to stay, so 100% turnout would be required.

Show me anywhere that I stated you need a 100% turnout?
I never did, which proves you cannot grasp simple maths
I said all you need is 50%+ of the eligible to vote to have a majority.
So all you would need for a turnout for a majority, would 50.1% of the populace to turn out and vote leave
As again the bases for the referendum was brought about o give people to chance to vote to leave

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Show me anywhere that I stated you need a 100% turnout?
I never did, which proves you cannot grasp simple maths
I said all you need is 50%+ of the eligible to vote to have a majority.
So all you would need for a turnout for a majority, would 50.1% of the populace to turn out and vote leave
As again the bases for the referendum was brought about o give people to chance to vote to leave

That was based on your idea that those who wanted to stay or didn't care either way merely had to stay away from the booths. That's just nonsense obviously. Therefore, in order to get more than 50% of the eligible voters to vote to leave, you need to have less than 50% of the eligible voters vote to stay - ie, 100% turnout.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

That was based on your idea that those who wanted to stay or didn't care either way merely had to stay away from the booths. That's just nonsense obviously. Therefore, in order to get more than 50% of the eligible voters to vote to leave, you need to have less than 50% of the eligible voters vote to stay - ie, 100% turnout.

Come again?????

You are saying to get 50%+ of those eligible to vote to leave requires 100% turnout of those eligible to vote?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:





Come again?????

You are saying to get 50%+ of those eligible to vote to leave requires 100% turnout of those eligible to vote?

Yes, because you can't assume that anyone who didn't vote wants to stay in the EU. Actually, it's 100% of those registered to vote, unless you think that those who didn't register also wanted to stay.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, because you can't assume that anyone who didn't vote wants to stay in the EU. Actually, it's 100% of those registered to vote, unless you think that those who didn't register also wanted to stay.

Sorry, I really have PMSL
So if 90% of those eligible to vote, come out to vote to leave. Does that require a 100% turn out Rags?

Seriously, count on your hands if you need to

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Sorry, I really have PMSL
So if 90% of those eligible to vote, come out to vote to leave. Does that require a 100% turn out Rags?

Seriously, count on your hands if you need to

Well they wouldn't have would they? Otherwise, the 72% who did come out to vote would have all voted to leave.

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, based on the result, a 90% turnout wouldn't be enough because you would assume that the 10% who didn't vote want to stay. This is the real world Didge, not some weird place you seem to have found yourself in.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, based on the result, a 90% turnout wouldn't be enough because you would assume that the 10% who didn't vote want to stay. This is the real world Didge, not some weird place you seem to have found yourself in.

Eureka, she nearly gets it, that you would not need a 100% turnout, if 90% voted to leave
You would not need 100% turnout if 70% voted to leave.





You have made my day Rags

Catch you later

Tommy Monk wrote:Not turning out to vote should not have any effect on result...

Only those who vote should decide.

Tommy Monk wrote:Not turning out to vote should not have any effect on result...

Only those who vote should decide.

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, did you actually see the referendum ballot paper? It clearly asked you if you want to stay in the EU or leave the EU.

eddie wrote:If people didn't vote then they aren't included in the numbers! It's really that simple.
You can't say that those who didn't vote would've voted to stay - doesn't matter what they say after the event.

The majority of people who voted, voted to leave. No other answer is needed.

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Not turning out to vote should not have any effect on result...

Only those who vote should decide.

I agree, hence why it should only be about those voting to leave to be the ones voting, requiring a 50%+ majority

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thorin wrote:



I agree, hence why it should only be about those voting to leave to be the ones voting, requiring a 50%+ majority

Of those who voted... 52% voted leave!!!


That is over 50%... so therefore a majority over 50%.