Immigrant children

by magica Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:16 pm

First topic message reminder :

The first of the children from the jungle arrived today. The ones I saw looked atleast 20!

I wonder how many Lily Allen puts up in her 2 million pound house. Razz

by Tommy Monk Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:58 pm

Exactly!

by Major Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:08 pm

I was in Sainsburys today and on the daily newspaper stands most highlighted this adult migration SCAM, so it is obviously important to our island to stop it.

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:40 am

Sun Child Refugee Claim BUSTED

It’s clear that the Murdoch poodles at the Super Soaraway Currant Bun are not going to let such trivial things as facts get in the way of their continuing campaign of incitement against the unaccompanied children who have been allowed to leave the Calais refugee camp and join families already in the UK. Despite their having blatantly lied in this morning’s lead story, there they are again like a dog returning to its vomit.

Sun "research" fails again

The Home Office has said, in response to the Sun’s “teeth” claims, “dental checks to verify age of young refugees hoping to settle in UK would be ‘inaccurate and inappropriate’”. Moreover, as the Guardian has reported, “The official rejection of the demand from Conservative backbenchers was welcomed by the British Dental Association, which had earlier condemned the proposal as inappropriate and inaccurate”.

As to the photos showing some of the unaccompanied children, the Sun has been misleading its readers: “It has transpired that seven of the remaining children were younger and officials had asked photographers not to take pictures of them”. That’s as in younger than 16. So the only ones the paper’s readers see are 16 and 17. There have been several younger than that. The Sun doesn’t show them.

Worse, as the Guardian has also told, “George Gabriel of Citizens UK, which has been working in the Calais camp for more than a year on the transfer of child refugees to Britain under its Safe Passage programme, said that one of the photographs of ‘overage’ refugees that appeared on the front pages of British newspapers on Wednesday might in fact be a translator”. (TURNS OUT HE IS) Did the Sun research this possibility? Did it heck.

That’s a pity, because the man on the front of yesterday’s Sun front page - and today’s Daily Star front page - is indeed an adult interpreter. THE SUN GOT IT WRONG. Very wrong. They lied to their millions of readers. And they aren’t sorry. Because the name of the game is not news reporting, but racist incitement. It’s like the past half-century of enlightenment on such issues never happened.

Instead, the paper has run yet another slice of incitement prominently featuring Tory bigot David T C Davies, who has now said “We must not be naive about this. It’s no good Lily Allen turning up with tears in her eyes and all the rest of it – we need to be quite hard-nosed here”. So it’s all right to be a raving bigot and use my taxes to fund it, then.

And it gets worse: Davies has also said “Someone who is willing to throw themselves on to an electrified rail line or jump into a moving lorry isn’t going to be terribly worried about having an X-ray”. Well of course - throwing yourself on to live conductor rail, that’s just trivial stuff, innit? Christ on a bike, this buffoon has literally no sense of self-awareness.

SPOT THE BRAINCELL

As for the Sun’s claim “AS THE third batch of so-called ‘child refugees’ arrive in Britain this morning it has been revealed more than two-thirds of them who had their ages assessed by the Home Office were found to actually be adults, official figures show”, that is the whole point. THE ONES WHO WERE FOUND TO BE ADULTS WEREN’T LET IN.

Meanwhile, those like Match Of The Day presenter Gary Lineker, who has been prepared to call out the racist bigotry, get a kicking on social media from the pond life. Makes you proud to be British, doesn’t it? Yeah, well, maybe it doesn’t. As you were, Sun hacks.

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/sun-child-refugee-claim-busted.html

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:48 am

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So the one in the middle was taken in Calais and he wasn't here, the one on the right is an adult interpreter and photos were not allowed of the rest of the children because they were under 16.

by HoratioTarr Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:16 am

What amazes me though is that they are all clever enough to speak English, and yet not to know their own birth dates? It doesn't surprise me that the papers are being manipulative, they always have been.

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:22 am

They speak so much English they need an interpreter? And they know their own birthdate, what makes you think they don't? As far as I am concerned the papers aren't being manipulative, they are outright lying to stir up hatred against people who have been through hell and pandering to xenaphobic bigots.

by Major Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:33 am

sassy wrote:They speak so much English they need an interpreter? And they know their own birthdate, what makes you think they don't? As far as I am concerned the papers aren't being manipulative, they are outright lying to stir up hatred against people who have been through hell and pandering to xenaphobic bigots.

They should stay and fight their corner.

The photographs do not lie.

Why do you wanna deprive OUR OWM CHILDREN/people and give it away to forunuz????

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:38 am

Fuck off sassy... we saw pictures of the ones who were here as they arrived at Croydon!!!

None of them looked under 18!!!

by HoratioTarr Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:46 am

sassy wrote:They speak so much English they need an interpreter? And they know their own birthdate, what makes you think they don't? As far as I am concerned the papers aren't being manipulative, they are outright lying to stir up hatred against people who have been through hell and pandering to xenaphobic bigots.

So, you believe that all the refugees are telling the truth about their ages? I don't think so. If they were, there would not be the stink going on that there is at the moment. Like I said before, I feel that people coming from war torn countries should be helped, but then there's the other side of the coin, as illustrated here in this video.

by HoratioTarr Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:48 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Fuck off sassy... we saw pictures of the ones who were here as they arrived at Croydon!!!

None of them looked under 18!!!

It's just been explained that those photos have been manipulated. However, there's no smoke without fire. I do believe that some of those refugees are lying about their age.

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:54 am

Out of the 500 'children' asylum seekers checked in the uk for age two thirds of them were found to be over 18!!!

by HoratioTarr Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:02 pm

And yet another facet, is the harsh reality of what it's like to migrate into a country that is utterly foreign to you.

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:05 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Out of the 500 'children' asylum seekers checked in the uk for age two thirds of them were found to be over 18!!!

But whatever the figures all of them are in need - so I'm happy for our civilized and wealthy country to give them a hand.

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:13 pm

What they need is returning back to their own countries...

They are economic migrants and illegals...

I just hope that if they do end up blowing people up... it is idiot lefties who wanted them here who are on the receiving end...!

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:14 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

What they need is returning back to their own countries...

They are economic migrants and illegals...

I just hope that if they do end up blowing people up... it is idiot lefties who wanted them here who are on the receiving end...!

Unlikely in Cumbria, but thanks for your good wishes.

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:18 pm

Easy to be so keen on them coming here if you are never going to suffer the consequences I suppose...

Very nice of you to inflict them on others..

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:19 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Easy to be so keen on them coming here if you are never going to suffer the consequences I suppose...

Very nice of you to inflict them on others..

We have room, feel free to improve your sad existence and move on up.

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:22 pm

Stick the scum up there with you and see how long it 8s you still want to keep letting them in...

by HoratioTarr Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:26 pm

sassy wrote:They speak so much English they need an interpreter? And they know their own birthdate, what makes you think they don't? As far as I am concerned the papers aren't being manipulative, they are outright lying to stir up hatred against people who have been through hell and pandering to xenaphobic bigots.

Don't you think it's important to assess true age? Below is why.

51.The consequences of age disputes, discussed further in Chapter 4, are far-reaching. In practical terms, The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR UK), the UN Refugee Agency, noted that in the UK:

“The outcomes of age assessment have great importance in determining how an individual will be treated both in the immigration and asylum process and also in relation to the care and support they receive. If a child is wrongly considered to be an adult, they may miss being supported by children’s services; miss access to education or college; they may be dispersed to a different part of the country and might be accommodated or detained with adults.”62

52.Maeve McClenaghan, an investigative journalist, confirmed that children were being placed in unsuitable conditions on the basis of flawed age assessments: “At least 127 minors have been found classified as adults in UK detention since the start of 2010 up to June 2015 … children as young as 14 have been assessed as adults, with immigration officers making incorrect decisions based on the person’s appearance. Some children were held in detention centres for months, in conditions they described as ‘distressing’ and ‘scary’.”63

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/34/3406.htm

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Stick the scum up there with you and see how long it 8s you still want to keep letting them in...

I don't label my fellow human beings as scum on the basis of race - that's a nazi thing.

Moreover, as a child I was raised among immigrants in London - most were wonderful people.

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:41 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Out of the 500 'children' asylum seekers checked in the uk for age two thirds of them were found to be over 18!!!

Yep, that's why they weren't allowed in. My friend's grandmother came over here with the 'Kindergarten' Jewish children, she was overage and scammed it, it saved her life.

by Guest Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:44 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
sassy wrote:They speak so much English they need an interpreter? And they know their own birthdate, what makes you think they don't? As far as I am concerned the papers aren't being manipulative, they are outright lying to stir up hatred against people who have been through hell and pandering to xenaphobic bigots.

Don't you think it's important to assess true age? Below is why.

51.The consequences of age disputes, discussed further in Chapter 4, are far-reaching. In practical terms, The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR UK), the UN Refugee Agency, noted that in the UK:

“The outcomes of age assessment have great importance in determining how an individual will be treated both in the immigration and asylum process and also in relation to the care and support they receive. If a child is wrongly considered to be an adult, they may miss being supported by children’s services; miss access to education or college; they may be dispersed to a different part of the country and might be accommodated or detained with adults.”62

52.Maeve McClenaghan, an investigative journalist, confirmed that children were being placed in unsuitable conditions on the basis of flawed age assessments: “At least 127 minors have been found classified as adults in UK detention since the start of 2010 up to June 2015 … children as young as 14 have been assessed as adults, with immigration officers making incorrect decisions based on the person’s appearance. Some children were held in detention centres for months, in conditions they described as ‘distressing’ and ‘scary’.”63

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/34/3406.htm

Yep, saying they are adults when they are children is not good!

by eddie Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:28 pm

Seems to me that this is a very sketchy subject. On the one hand, is the belief or "story" is that too many adults are being passed off as children and on the other, the newspapers and media aren't giving us the true facts....yet again.

by HoratioTarr Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:16 pm

sassy wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Don't you think it's important to assess true age? Below is why.

51.The consequences of age disputes, discussed further in Chapter 4, are far-reaching. In practical terms, The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR UK), the UN Refugee Agency, noted that in the UK:

“The outcomes of age assessment have great importance in determining how an individual will be treated both in the immigration and asylum process and also in relation to the care and support they receive. If a child is wrongly considered to be an adult, they may miss being supported by children’s services; miss access to education or college; they may be dispersed to a different part of the country and might be accommodated or detained with adults.”62

52.Maeve McClenaghan, an investigative journalist, confirmed that children were being placed in unsuitable conditions on the basis of flawed age assessments: “At least 127 minors have been found classified as adults in UK detention since the start of 2010 up to June 2015 … children as young as 14 have been assessed as adults, with immigration officers making incorrect decisions based on the person’s appearance. Some children were held in detention centres for months, in conditions they described as ‘distressing’ and ‘scary’.”63

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/34/3406.htm

Yep, saying they are adults when they are children is not good!

It's about them being assessed as adults by red tape.

by HoratioTarr Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:21 pm

Now, they are saying that 'interpreter' is not an interpreter at all.

The BBC declined to comment on the criticism of their coverage but said that they had reported them as claims and allegations and had also reported the Home Office's confirmation the migrant is not an interpreter.

by HoratioTarr Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:27 pm

This is what I have a problem with, the lies and smoke screens. Lies on both sides. It's taking the piss out of people and if only the media and the authorities would come clean, then everyone would know and be more accepting.

by eddie Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:42 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:This is what I have a problem with, the lies and smoke screens. Lies on both sides. It's taking the piss out of people and if only the media and the authorities would come clean, then everyone would know and be more accepting.

That's my point on most news stories, too many contradictions and things that don't add up.

by eddie Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:48 pm

Had to be done

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by magica Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:45 pm

Must've been the long journey to Europe did it. He aged literally

by Tommy Monk Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:48 pm

by magica Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:48 am

I wonder if Lily Allen has given that boy a place to live in her home yet.

Where's all the luvvies and people who wanted these so called kids here, why haven't they spoken up and offered homes to them. Easy to sit in their comfy homes and say do this and that, and when they could now step up to the mark, silence!

These people assessing and sending over 'boys' who many look no younger than 30 should've gone to Specsavers!

by Major Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:34 pm

magica wrote:I wonder if Lily Allen has given that boy a place to live in her home yet.

Where's all the luvvies and people who wanted these so called kids here, why haven't they spoken up and offered homes to them. Easy to sit in their comfy homes and say do this and that, and when they could now step up to the mark, silence!

These people assessing and sending over 'boys' who many look no younger than 30 should've gone to Specsavers!

Forumuz are the same Magz, they want othuz to take them in.

Ya gotta consider the safety of of your own family and countrymen first.

by Tommy Monk Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:29 am

Child' migrants only challenged on age if they look OVER 25 - official policy

Home Office staff are being told to adopt a “Challenge 25” style policy over young refugees coming to Britain, amid claims hundreds of adult migrants are posing as children to try get into the UK from France.

The new memo comes after Home Office figures revealed almost 5,000 asylum seekers who had arrived in the UK in the past decade claiming to be children were in fact adults.

In that time, there had been 11,121 cases where a refugee’s age had been called into question, and in 4,828 of those the ‘child’ had been found to be an adult.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/724082/Child-migrants-only-challenged-on-age-if-they-look-OVER-25

by Tommy Monk Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:32 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3863466/PETER-HITCHENS-child-refugees-fleeing-France-bad-coffee.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3863168/Calais-Jungle-Home-Office-base-child-refugees-kids.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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