Ukip Members Mock ADHD As 'Psychobabble' Helping 'Keep Lefties In Jobs'

Ukip has been forced to distance itself from controversial remarks made by its own party members over attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

Writing on Ukip's official message board, Stephen Wilders, chairman of Ukip's local branch in Dartford, mockingly described the condition as "mostly psychobabble to keep lefties in jobs".

Ukip activist Stephen Harding, from Gillingham, also dismissed the behavioural disorder as "a load of psychobabble".

"All I hear about now are disorders that mean children need special care. The only special care I and all my peers received was a telling off from the teacher followed by another telling off from my parents."

"There are a few genuine cases of course, but from what I hear now, if you do not have a disorder, you have a disorder!"

Charities have warned the remarks only serve to "add to the stigma" for young people ADHD.

Kathleen Garner, secretary of Ukip's Croydon branch, suggested on the message boards that young children suffering from ADHD were merely "naughty", and blamed any signs of ADHD or dyslexia on parents not feeding them properly or poor teaching.

She wrote: "We had the odd 'naughty' child in class, but that was usually just the one and it was clear their parents neglected them. The same goes for dyslexia."

"Despite having a son diagonised with the condition, I consider it to be solely the result of poor teaching in primary school."

The Ukip activists' remarks were condemned by mental health charities and politicians.

Chris Leaman, Policy Manager at YoungMinds, told the Huffington Post UK: “For the 132,000 children and young people with severe ADHD and their families these misguided comments are unhelpful, unwelcome and unwanted.

"Children growing up with ADHD already grow up in a society where stigma often prevents them from getting the help and support they need. Sadly, these comments will just add to the stigma that these children face everyday.

“I hope that those making the comments take time to study the medical evidence and draw proper conclusions rather than basing their opinions on ill-informed and un-evidenced judgments.”

Mary Honeyball, Labour MEP for London, said that the remarks were "painfully out of step with the values of modern Britain."

She told HuffPostUK: "The comments made by Ukip members about a host of physical and mental health issues are alarming to say the least. They show how painfully out of step grass roots Ukip opinion is with the values of modern Britain. Moreover they reveal the extent to which the party is founded on knee-jerk responses to events rather than evidence-based approaches. We are seeing, for the umpteenth time, that Ukip is the voice of unchecked right-wing hearsay."

A Ukip party spokesman said: "Ukip take mental health very seriously and know that there are exceptionally long waiting lists for therapy for those suffering with debilitating conditions. We don't believe the solution is just prescribing tablets to everyone.

"ADHD isn't something which just affects children but adults too and we distance ourselves from these comments utterly."

This is not the first time that Ukip activists' views have caused controversy, after some called on the party to accept people from the British National Party, and others mocked the death of Nelson Mandela and tried to defend the apartheid regime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/ukip-adhd-psychobabble-message-boards_n_4609441.html?utm_hp_ref=uk


lol UKIP are really doing themselves no favours at the moment

No they are simply in the firing line. These are comments by people on discussion boards not official policy. If you went around the local Tory and Labour committees and local message boards you would no doubt find their members making pretty much the same remarks.

Of course it really does not help matters that this week in the US a neurologist declaring that it does not exist. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2534632/ADHD-doesnt-exist-Neurologist-claims-condition-masking-problems-causing-needless-use-addictive-drugs.html

I mean one thing UKIP does not believe in is having all members as clones - they believe people are entitled to their own opinions on things. I happen to disagree in the main with the opinions stated here - others of all political persuasions will not.

sphinx wrote:No they are simply in the firing line.  These are comments by people on discussion boards not official policy.  If you went around the local Tory and Labour committees and local message boards you would no doubt find their members making pretty much the same remarks.

Of course it really does not help matters that this week in the US a neurologist declaring that it does not exist. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2534632/ADHD-doesnt-exist-Neurologist-claims-condition-masking-problems-causing-needless-use-addictive-drugs.html

I mean one thing UKIP does not believe in is having all members as clones - they believe people are entitled to their own opinions on things.  I happen to disagree in the main with the opinions stated here - others of all political persuasions will not.

Of course they are in the firing line now Sphinx they are up now playing with the others being as they are now more in the spotlight and yes it does not help when scientist disagree on the matter. I agree they are entitled to an opinion, but be it on their head what they choose to say as people will form views on those opinions, even more so for a those seeking to become MP's, as it could cost them getting elected

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:No they are simply in the firing line.  These are comments by people on discussion boards not official policy.  If you went around the local Tory and Labour committees and local message boards you would no doubt find their members making pretty much the same remarks.

Of course it really does not help matters that this week in the US a neurologist declaring that it does not exist. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2534632/ADHD-doesnt-exist-Neurologist-claims-condition-masking-problems-causing-needless-use-addictive-drugs.html

I mean one thing UKIP does not believe in is having all members as clones - they believe people are entitled to their own opinions on things.  I happen to disagree in the main with the opinions stated here - others of all political persuasions will not.

Of course they are in the firing line now Sphinx they are up now playing with the others being as they are now more in the spotlight and yes it does not help when scientist disagree on the matter. I agree they are entitled to an opinion, but be it on their head what they choose to say as people will form views on those opinions, even more so for a those seeking to become MP's, as it could cost them getting elected

None of the people speaking were candidates - they were activists and committee members - you probably dont want a lecture on organization but it is basically the same as the other parties - only they have a lot lot lot more money. Basically they were ordinary people who happened to be members of the party the way other ordinary people are members of the Conservative or Labour party.

But he is an official UKIP spokesman as opposed to just a grassroots party member.

I find that a lot of conservatives have trouble with things that don't directly affect them. To wit:

NEW YORK — Radio talk show host Michael Savage, who described 99 percent of children with autism as brats, said Monday he was trying to "boldly awaken" parents to his view that many people are being wrongly diagnosed.

Some parents of autistic children have called for Savage's firing after he described autism as a racket last week. "In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out," Savage said on his radio program last Wednesday.

Savage offered no apology in a message posted Monday on his Web site. He said greedy doctors and drug companies were creating a "national panic" by overdiagnosing autism, a mental disorder that inhibits a person's ability to communicate.

On his radio show last week, he said: "What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, `Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, you idiot.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/21/right-wing-radio-host-mic_n_114184.html

Could someone lock him in a small dark room somewhere for at least a week, with a tape over his mouth, and then when he come out, explain if he was severely autistic, he would have, metaphorically, been in that room forever.

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lovedust wrote:
But he is an official UKIP spokesman as opposed to just a grassroots party member.

No the spokesman gave the official party line about the lack of resources for mental health issues and that the party does not agree with automatic pill prescribing for mental health issues.

A Ukip party spokesman said: "Ukip take mental health very seriously and know that there are exceptionally long waiting lists for therapy for those suffering with debilitating conditions. We don't believe the solution is just prescribing tablets to everyone.

"ADHD isn't something which just affects children but adults too and we distance ourselves from these comments utterly."

The others were comments from a bulletin board, from what I can make out a forum had a secret troll sitting on it for a couple of years taking screen shots of every controversial opinion including those that broke rules and were reported and removed by moderators and this troll is right now leaking them out one subject at a time as the last one dies down in an attempt to discredit.

Good for the troll, we need to know how many of them are as mad as hatters. Mind you, could be a full time job for him.

Catman wrote:

Following the claims that same-sex marriage caused the UK’s storms, made by now suspended UKIP councillor David Silvester, the internet has hit back.
Fuller created the image above, while someone else has amassed almost 12,000 followers (at the time of publication) for a spoof Twitter account @UKIPWeather.

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UkipWeather @UkipWeather
A lingering look between 2 men at a gym in York has sparked concerns from residents living near the River Ouse
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UkipWeather @UkipWeather
High winds at a garden centre in Kent after 2 men were spotted heading towards the plants without stopping to look at the ride-on lawnmowers
Expand
10h
UkipWeather @UkipWeather
Council gritters are on high alert after a man in Peterborough went into a pub and ordered a glass of white wine
Expand
10h
UkipWeather @UkipWeather
Bitterly cold Daily Mail headlines will sweep through most of the UK causing widespread resentment of the unemployed
Expand
11h
UkipWeather @UkipWeather
The sun makes a brief appearance after John Barrowman stubs his toe on the corner of a wardrobe
Expand
12h
UkipWeather @UkipWeather
The early sunshine in the Cotswolds has been replaced by cloud after a man spent a suspiciously long time grooming his facial hair
Expand
13h
UkipWeather @UkipWeather
Temperatures will plummet as a result of a man in Cumbria enthusiastically browsing through a home furnishings catalogue
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13h
UkipWeather @UkipWeather
Dark clouds are forming over the Midlands following voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons
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14h
UkipWeather @UkipWeather
An area of blame will move in from the east before drifting away and settling over Brussels
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14h
UkipWeather @UkipWeather
A morning kiss between two consenting adults will lead to drizzle on higher ground
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UkipWeather @UkipWeather
An area of low intelligence centred around the Daily Mail will cause severe outbreaks of capital letters and exclamation marks
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UkipWeather @UkipWeather
EXTREME WEATHER WARNING! Tonight for the first time, just about half past ten. For the first time in history it's gonna start rainin' men
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However, the PinkNews team’s favourite response was from actor and author Nicholas Pegg, who recorded a spoof Radio 4 Shipping Forecast compiled by UKIP. Take a listen, we promise that you will not be disappointed!...........

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/01/19/there-are-warning-of-gays-in-viking-forties-and-bongo-bongo-land-listen-to-ukips-shipping-forecast/


  

Just to provide the facts on this case the man was Conservative Councillor who defected to UKIP because of his opinion on gay marriage. His views are not those of the party however UKIP did defend his right to hold those views as an individual. He has since been suspended by the party for breaking party rules.

Sassy wrote:Good for the troll, we need to know how many of them are as mad as hatters.   Mind you, could be a full time job for him.

So you approve of people lying to get into private places to eavesdrop on conversations do you sassy?

Or do you believe that similar tactics applied to private Labour, Conservative, or Liberal boards would not throw up individuals with similar opinions?

I will remind people that UKIP takes the line that in a true democracy every individual is entitled to their own opinion which they may freely express so long as they do not demand others share it or either act on it themselves or encourage others to act on it. Any system that prevents people saying what they really think or feel is not a democracy.

They very well might throw up the same opinions in Conservatives, I doubt they would in Liberal or Labour. Oh come on, don't be naive, don't you think all parties have this happen to them? They'll find more in UKIP, because UKIP seems to have more than it's fair share of nutters. As for the freedom of expression in UKIP, why do they still have a party whip then? And before you say they don't, they do:
for example
Outspoken UKIP politician Godfrey Bloom has lost the party whip for calling women "sluts" at the party's conference.
http://news.sky.com/story/1144536/godfrey-bloom-loses-whip-for-sluts-comment

The idea of politics being plotted in secrecy creeps me out. I think all political parties' activities should be 100 percent transparent.

sphinx wrote:

lovedust wrote:
But he is an official UKIP spokesman as opposed to just a grassroots party member.

No the spokesman gave the official party line about the lack of resources for mental health issues and that the party does not agree with automatic pill prescribing for mental health issues.

A Ukip party spokesman said: "Ukip take mental health very seriously and know that there are exceptionally long waiting lists for therapy for those suffering with debilitating conditions. We don't believe the solution is just prescribing tablets to everyone.

"ADHD isn't something which just affects children but adults too and we distance ourselves from these comments utterly."

The others were comments from a bulletin board, from what I can make out a forum had a secret troll sitting on it for a couple of years taking screen shots of every controversial opinion including those that broke rules and were reported and removed by moderators and this troll is right now leaking them out one subject at a time as the last one dies down in an attempt to discredit.

My point remains that a branch chairman of ukip who makes a statement on the official ukip message board speaks with the authority of ukip.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Of course they are in the firing line now Sphinx they are up now playing with the others being as they are now more in the spotlight and yes it does not help when scientist disagree on the matter. I agree they are entitled to an opinion, but be it on their head what they choose to say as people will form views on those opinions, even more so for a those seeking to become MP's, as it could cost them getting elected

None of the people speaking were candidates - they were activists and committee members - you probably dont want a lecture on organization but it is basically the same as the other parties - only they have a lot lot lot more money.  Basically they were ordinary people who happened to be members of the party the way other ordinary  people are members of the Conservative or Labour party.  

They are still members of UKIP, sorry but you are offering an excuse for what some people are saying trying to detract as if they do not represent the UKIP organisation when they do. The fact is people within UKIP must recognise now they will come under the same scrutiny as the other parties now

Clearly Nigel is concerned also:







Five of Ukip's MEPs will not stand for re-election in May as leader Nigel Farage launches a clearout of "extremist, nasty or barmy" views from the party ahead of the polls.

In an interview with the Sun on Sunday, Mr Farage said new criteria to assess the performance of his party's 13 members of the European Parliament had led to changes.

"Some have been pushed and some have jumped," he said.

All 1,818 candidates running for the eurosceptic party are being vetted, Mr Farage said, while insisting that "of all the candidates we fielded, only about half a dozen have caused us any embarrassment".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/19/five-barmy-ukip-meps-ditched-after-nigel-farage-clearout_n_4626852.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

AND THOSE "about half a dozen.." ratbag candidates will be the only ones that everyone will remember !!!


 

He's right about the psychobabble though isn't he - there's millions out there who believe it.

Just one of the many modern "conditions" which are now labelled so as not to upset the sick, lame and lazy.

Er no he is not Andy, nothing worse than people with no education or expertise on medical conditions saying it is psychobabble, so no he is not right.

BigAndy9 wrote:
He's right about the psychobabble though isn't he - there's millions out there who believe it.

Just one of the many modern "conditions" which are now labelled so as not to upset the sick, lame and lazy.

 

NO, Andy, he's not right... NOT in the least..

* It's NOT "psychobabble" ~ when diagnosed properly by qualified psychiatrists, it is a legitimate problem.
* There ISN'T "millions out there ho believe it" ~ though no doubt your drinking chums believe there is !
* There's likely to be just as many, if not more "..lazy" people in your corner than mine, as well..

P.S. Please explain, L'il Andy - WHY did you lump the genuinely "sick and lame" in with your lazy friends and relo's in your last sentence there ?   

ADD/ADHD became a popular diagnosis in the 1990's because it served as a neat way to explain away the complexities of turn-of-the-millenium life in America. Over the past few decades, our families have broken up, respect for authority has eroded, mass media has created a "short-attention-span culture," and stress levels have skyrocketed.

When our children start to act out under the strain, it's convenient to create a scientific-sounding term to label them with, an effective drug to stifle their "symptoms," and a whole program of ADD/ADHD workbooks, videos, and instructional materials to use to fit them in a box that relieves parents and teachers of any worry that it might be due to their own failure (or the failure of the broader culture) to nurture or teach effectively. Mainly, the ADD/ADHD label is a tragic decoy that takes the focus off of where it's needed most: the real life of each unique child. Instead of seeing each child for who he or she is (strengths, limitations, interests, temperaments, learning styles etc.) and addressing his or her specific needs, the child is reduced to an "ADD child," where the potential to see the best in him or her is severely eroded (since ADD/ADHD puts all the emphasis on the deficits, not the strengths), and where the number of potential solutions to help them is highly limited to a few child-controlling interventions.

The man who made ADHD up believes that 30% of children are misdiagnosed.

Now, why would they/how could they be misdiagnosed?

Could it be because it is done by silly little tests and questions asked of the parents?

And could it be because it's easier for a parent to say "yeah, he's got ADHD when the child is playing up"?

Pediatric neurologist Richard Saul claims that ADHD simply isn’t what it claims to be and shouldn’t be listed in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM), according to the New York Post on Jan. 4.


“ADHD makes a great excuse,” Saul notes. “The diagnosis can be an easy-to-reach-for crutch. Moreover, there’s an attractive element to an ADHD diagnosis, especially in adults — it can be exciting to think of oneself as involved in many things at once, rather than stuck in a boring rut.””

Dr. Saul has a long history of treating patients in his practice. He claims that ADHD is nothing more than a collection of symptoms and not a disease. Dr. Saul began looking for other causes of his patients’ symptoms.

He found things like a young girl who was unruly in school, but it turned out to be that she couldn’t see the blackboard and only needed glasses. A 36-year-old man who thought he had ADHD was simply drinking too much coffee and not getting enough sleep. He also found other causes for what he considers a wrongful ADHD diagnosis.
•Tourette’s
•OCD
•Fragile X Syndrome (a genetic mutation linked to mental retardation)
•Autism
•Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
•Learning disabilities
•Substance abuse
•Poor hearing

Some cases, though, produced no diagnosis. One adult, convinced she had ADHD and who had been prescribed stimulants, realized it was simply life getting to her when Dr. Saul advised her to return to regular exercise and cut back on her work schedule.

http://www.examiner.com/article/pediatric-neurologist-richard-saul-claims-adhd-does-not-exist-upcoming-book

It's codswallop and you all know it, it's just that some of you find it very convenient indeed.

And no, i'm not a UKIP candidate so BigNige doesn't have to worry  :D 

I am not doubting some children get misdiagnosed, that though does not mean children do not suffer from this or how I can do as you do and post countless experts saying it does.

Would you like endless C&P or accept that it does exist and that the people from UKIP are in now way experts to make such absurd accusations

PhilDidge wrote:I am not doubting some children get misdiagnosed, that though does not mean children do not suffer from this or how I can do as you do and post countless experts saying it does.

Would you like endless C&P or accept that it does exist and that the people from UKIP are in now way experts to make such absurd accusations    

Didge - it is widely accepted as a "condition" - I know that. It was found around 1980, I believe.

Your child will "have ADHD" if he or she is brought up badly, on a bad diet and not cared for properly, listened to, played with.

There you go, I accept it 100%.

Dear me, is that what the experts say Andy>??

PhilDidge wrote:Dear me, is that what the experts say Andy>??

Down the pub, most definitely.

I should think they can't bloody stand the scroungers they have to diagnose and give free prescriptions to day in day out.

You really have some poor stereotype views, yes some people are scroungers but many people with conditions are not scroungers, you lump the two together badly

lovedust wrote:

sphinx wrote:

No the spokesman gave the official party line about the lack of resources for mental health issues and that the party does not agree with automatic pill prescribing for mental health issues.



The others were comments from a bulletin board, from what I can make out a forum had a secret troll sitting on it for a couple of years taking screen shots of every controversial opinion including those that broke rules and were reported and removed by moderators and this troll is right now leaking them out one subject at a time as the last one dies down in an attempt to discredit.

My point remains that a branch chairman of ukip who makes a statement on the official ukip message board speaks with the authority of ukip.

This was my point on another thread about people not being clear how this works - firstly the "official" board was simply a board where membership of the party was a requirement for membership. It was not run by the party but simply set up by some members who had the knowledge to do so. It could if you like be considered an "online" branch. Branches have no seniority - they are about as low as you can get and have a title. In other parties they are seen as the social clubs in towns - UKIP do not have the money to be able to afford to run social clubs so their committees are even less significant. This story is of the same significance as "chairman of local Conservative club overheard to delare the unemployed workshy to mate while having a drink on saturday night" "Chairman of the a branch" means local individual who is overseeing raising funds and organizing promotion and campaigning. Only requirement is party membership (only requirement for that is joining fee and no past membership of far right parties and clubs - tougher than the other parties who just require joining fee but honestly not that tough).

sphinx wrote:

lovedust wrote:
My point remains that a branch chairman of ukip who makes a statement on the official ukip message board speaks with the authority of ukip.

This was my point on another thread about people not being clear how this works - firstly the "official" board was simply a board where membership of the party was a requirement for membership.  It was not run by the party but simply set up by some members who had the knowledge to do so.  It could if you like be considered an "online" branch.  Branches have no seniority - they are about as low as you can get and have a title.  In other parties they are seen as the social clubs in towns - UKIP do not have the money to be able to afford to run social clubs so their committees are even less significant.  This story is of the same significance as "chairman of local Conservative club overheard to delare the unemployed workshy  to mate while having a drink on saturday night" "Chairman of the a branch" means local individual who is overseeing raising funds and organizing promotion and campaigning.  Only requirement is party membership (only requirement for that is joining fee and no past membership of far right parties and clubs - tougher than the other parties who just require joining fee but honestly not that tough).

It is all irrelevant Sphinx, they are UKIP members thus people speaking in the name of UKIP will as seen come under fire, all you are doing is trying to excuse clearly what UKIP members have said. This is the reality they now face just as other parties do daily

Welcome to the real world for UKIP and believe me they will face greater scrutiny as they go along, anyway as stated they have no viable economic policies and the closer to the general election this will become more apparent and people will always vote for economic policies over any immigration issue

You're absolutely spot on sphinx, and so am I about doctors and other psychology specialists.

It's called politics.

Take Labour - they pander to the working classes all the time, but once that car door is closed their true thoughts are revealed.

People are just more interested, and afraid of UKIP - there are jobs and livelihoods at stake for the other 3 Party's.

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

None of the people speaking were candidates - they were activists and committee members - you probably dont want a lecture on organization but it is basically the same as the other parties - only they have a lot lot lot more money.  Basically they were ordinary people who happened to be members of the party the way other ordinary  people are members of the Conservative or Labour party.  

They are still members of UKIP, sorry but you are offering an excuse for what some people are saying trying to detract as if they do not represent the UKIP organisation when they do. The fact is people within UKIP must recognise now they will come under the same scrutiny as the other parties now

I am simply pointing out the represent UKIP to the same extent ordinary members of the other parties represent them - Mrs Groggins down the street who has been a member of the Labour party since before the second world war and who refers to people of Asian and African descent as "darkies" and who also thinks all these modern disorders are a load of rubbish and todays kids just need a good clip around the ear is as representative of the Labour party as these people are of UKIP.

We are not coming under the same scrutiny we are coming under far more. A bunch of Labour supporters in the pub saying ADHD is a load of bollocks and its just down to bad parenting do not make the headlines.

PhilDidge wrote:Clearly Nigel is concerned also:







Five of Ukip's MEPs will not stand for re-election in May as leader Nigel Farage launches a clearout of "extremist, nasty or barmy" views from the party ahead of the polls.

In an interview with the Sun on Sunday, Mr Farage said new criteria to assess the performance of his party's 13 members of the European Parliament had led to changes.

"Some have been pushed and some have jumped," he said.

All 1,818 candidates running for the eurosceptic party are being vetted, Mr Farage said, while insisting that "of all the candidates we fielded, only about half a dozen have caused us any embarrassment".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/19/five-barmy-ukip-meps-ditched-after-nigel-farage-clearout_n_4626852.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

That is old news - our selection procedures were changed last year - increased membership has made it necessary especially with the number of power mad individuals seeing us as their easy ticket to Westminster.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


They are still members of UKIP, sorry but you are offering an excuse for what some people are saying trying to detract as if they do not represent the UKIP organisation when they do. The fact is people within UKIP must recognise now they will come under the same scrutiny as the other parties now

I am simply pointing out the represent UKIP to the same extent ordinary members of the other parties represent them - Mrs Groggins down the street who has been a member of the Labour party since before the second world war and who refers to people of Asian and African descent as "darkies" and who also thinks all these modern disorders are a load of rubbish and todays kids just need a good clip around the ear is as representative of the Labour party as these people are of UKIP.

We are not coming under the same scrutiny we are coming under far more.  A bunch of Labour supporters in the pub saying ADHD is a load of bollocks and its just down to bad parenting do not make the headlines.

yes and they still represent UKIP which damages their reputation everytime one of them opens their mouth it seems. Sorry UKIP are quite a joke party of which will become more apparent as their policies come under scrutiny.

They will come under far more as they have gained popularity, it is the same for all, you are just being defensive because you follow this clown party

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

I am simply pointing out the represent UKIP to the same extent ordinary members of the other parties represent them - Mrs Groggins down the street who has been a member of the Labour party since before the second world war and who refers to people of Asian and African descent as "darkies" and who also thinks all these modern disorders are a load of rubbish and todays kids just need a good clip around the ear is as representative of the Labour party as these people are of UKIP.

We are not coming under the same scrutiny we are coming under far more.  A bunch of Labour supporters in the pub saying ADHD is a load of bollocks and its just down to bad parenting do not make the headlines.

yes and they still represent UKIP which damages their reputation everytime one of them opens their mouth it seems. Sorry UKIP are quite a joke party of which will become more apparent as their policies come under scrutiny.

They will come under far more as they have gained popularity, it is the same for all, you are just being defensive because you follow this clown party

Got to love this - now we have you wanting, ney demanding that UKIP are called to standards not applied to other parties.

In other parties if an ordinary rank and file member says something nutty or extreme (anything from return of the workhouse on the right to workers revolution on the left (I believe we have a Labour member on here regularly calling for a revolution)) The media does not immediately jump on them and declare they "represent the party"

Do you have any empirical evidence that the portion of rank and file members whose opinions are different from the party policy is higher in UKIP than the other parties?

You misunderstand defensive at least half the time - although yes due to the fact that the press jumps on ordinary members pronouncements (while refusing to talk to any senior member other than Nigel) we do experience quite a few plebgate incidents. The rest of the time (including answering this post) I tend to be viewing the whole thing with a mixture of exasperation and amusement.

Exasperation that seeming intelligent people appear unable to spot the most basic of press manipulation going on (Why will the press only ever name Nigel Farage when a statement is given? What benefit can they possibly get from keeping the masses from realizing UKIPs deputy leader is a Mersyside lad). Amusement at age old human behaviour that does not really change.

Sure we are a joke party - but that joke is getting a lot less funny to those campaigning for other parties - I have been face to face with the fury of an established candidate watching their majority disappear with the very real fear they might come second and they did not think the joke at all funny.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

yes and they still represent UKIP which damages their reputation everytime one of them opens their mouth it seems. Sorry UKIP are quite a joke party of which will become more apparent as their policies come under scrutiny.

They will come under far more as they have gained popularity, it is the same for all, you are just being defensive because you follow this clown party

Got to love this - now we have you wanting, ney demanding that UKIP are called to standards not applied to other parties.
Have I? Seems news to me, I guess you must have your blinkers on again as per usual

In other parties if an ordinary rank and file member says something nutty or extreme (anything from return of the workhouse on the right to workers revolution on the left (I believe we have a Labour member on here regularly calling for a revolution)) The media does not immediately jump on them and declare they "represent the party"

Do you have any empirical evidence that the portion of rank and file members whose opinions are different from the party policy is higher in UKIP than the other parties?

You misunderstand defensive at least half the time - although yes due to the fact that the press jumps on ordinary members pronouncements (while refusing to talk to any senior member other than Nigel) we do experience quite a few plebgate incidents.  The rest of the time (including answering this post) I tend to be viewing the whole thing with a mixture of exasperation and amusement.
Good for you, as stated when people of parties make daft comments people will cease upon them and comment accordingly, clearly being as you are a UKIPPER you don't like this because they are consider some what of a joke

Exasperation that seeming intelligent people appear unable to spot the most basic of press manipulation going on (Why will the press only ever name Nigel Farage when a statement is given?  What benefit can they possibly get from keeping the masses from realizing UKIPs deputy leader is a Mersyside lad). Amusement at age old human behaviour that does not really change.
 ://?roflmao?/: Yet when i say of press manipulation by the Mail, you are happy to defend their views all the time, yet when it comes to UKIP, this is some injustice, PMSL

Sure we are a joke party - but that joke is getting a lot less funny to those campaigning for other parties - I have been face to face with the fury of an established candidate watching their majority disappear with the very real fear they might come second and they did not think the joke at all funny.

All UKIP will end up doing is ensuring Labour gain power again, so no joking matter on that as their main support comes from disgruntled Tories or BNP. Though again i am not concerned by next year with the economy even better and the reality of when it comes to general election voters always tend to go with the party with the best economic plans

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Got to love this - now we have you wanting, ney demanding that UKIP are called to standards not applied to other parties.
Have I? Seems news to me, I guess you must have your blinkers on again as per usual

In other parties if an ordinary rank and file member says something nutty or extreme (anything from return of the workhouse on the right to workers revolution on the left (I believe we have a Labour member on here regularly calling for a revolution)) The media does not immediately jump on them and declare they "represent the party"

Do you have any empirical evidence that the portion of rank and file members whose opinions are different from the party policy is higher in UKIP than the other parties?

You misunderstand defensive at least half the time - although yes due to the fact that the press jumps on ordinary members pronouncements (while refusing to talk to any senior member other than Nigel) we do experience quite a few plebgate incidents.  The rest of the time (including answering this post) I tend to be viewing the whole thing with a mixture of exasperation and amusement.
Good for you, as stated when people of parties make daft comments people will cease upon them and comment accordingly, clearly being as you are a UKIPPER you don't like this because they are consider some what of a joke

Exasperation that seeming intelligent people appear unable to spot the most basic of press manipulation going on (Why will the press only ever name Nigel Farage when a statement is given?  What benefit can they possibly get from keeping the masses from realizing UKIPs deputy leader is a Mersyside lad). Amusement at age old human behaviour that does not really change.
 ://?roflmao?/: Yet when i say of press manipulation by the Mail,  you are happy to defend their views all the time, yet when it comes to UKIP, this is some injustice, PMSL

Sure we are a joke party - but that joke is getting a lot less funny to those campaigning for other parties - I have been face to face with the fury of an established candidate watching their majority disappear with the very real fear they might come second and they did not think the joke at all funny.

All UKIP will end up doing is ensuring Labour gain power again, so no joking matter on that as their main support comes from disgruntled Tories or BNP. Though again i am not concerned by next year with the economy even better and the reality of when it comes to  general election voters always tend to go with the party with the best economic plans  

Glad to see you are totally oblivious to the Mails influence........NOT.

Oh and by the way it is not a Mail thing it is all the newspapers - there does seem to be some sort of gentlemans agreement among them to refuse to take statements off anyone but Nigel - or if a statement is given by someone else they are labelled "UKIP spokesman" successfully (very successfully if I look at your reactions) managing to convince people that the party is a one man sideshow with no policies.

Still never mind - being in the party I also get to hear all the stuff the papers dont and wont print.

You have a choice didge - as does everyone. Laugh and take the piss with your mates based on what the media wants you to know sweetly oblivious to certain truths or go to a UKIP public meeting, or look up your local UKIP branch and go along to laugh at them and take the piss directly. You would be welcomed.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

All UKIP will end up doing is ensuring Labour gain power again, so no joking matter on that as their main support comes from disgruntled Tories or BNP. Though again i am not concerned by next year with the economy even better and the reality of when it comes to  general election voters always tend to go with the party with the best economic plans  

Glad to see you are totally oblivious to the Mails influence........NOT.
Really, seems more like the other way round

Oh and by the way it is not a Mail thing it is all the newspapers - there does seem to be some sort of gentlemans agreement among them to refuse to take statements off anyone but Nigel - or if a statement is given by someone else they are labelled "UKIP spokesman" successfully (very successfully if I look at your reactions) managing to convince people that the party is a one man sideshow with no policies.
I know it is all the newspapers, but the mail being the worst joke of them all. As to its policies even UKIP admit they have no viable economic plan going forward

Still never mind - being in the party I also get to hear all the stuff the papers dont and wont print.

You have a choice didge - as does everyone.  Laugh and take the piss with your mates based on what the media wants you to know sweetly oblivious to certain truths or go to a UKIP public meeting, or look up your local UKIP branch and go along to laugh at them and take the piss directly.  You would be welcomed.

Media, I gain my views from going to the UKIP website and to read not only their views but their policies, I don't tke the view of the media I go straight to the horses mouth. So what truths, I have seen the policies and they are a joke

Ah OK then.


I will say nothing else.

PhilDidge wrote:
Dear me, is that what the experts say Andy>??

  

BigAndy's claims are most likely to be those from his drinking buddies, and maybe a couple of his children's school teachers...

AND probably not even a genuine scientist among them, let alone a psychiatrist !

 

Beekeeper wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:
Dear me, is that what the experts say Andy>??

  

BigAndy's claims are most likely to be those from his drinking buddies, and maybe a couple of his children's school teachers...

AND probably not even a genuine scientist among them, let alone a psychiatrist !

 

Actually he was quoting an American neurologist who made the statement last week.

sphinx: please explain how andy can possibly be a credible authority on mental illness, given that he used ADO to proclaim autism doesn't exist?

lovedust wrote:
sphinx: please explain how andy can possibly be a credible authority on mental illness, given that he used ADO to proclaim autism doesn't exist?

With the greatest respect, lovedust, that sentence doesn't make sense.

I did not say andy was a credible authority I said he was quoting an American neurologist.
It was stated he was most likely quoting mates and teachers and not a proper scientist so I was pointing out that actually he was quoting a proper scientist.

I know bu66er all about it, to be fair.

But I have an opinion.