Global warming

Handy Andy wrote:It is difficult to converse with someone who was brainn damaged at birth.
Perhaps they mixed you up with the afterbirth.

scrat wrote:Thomas the anti British worker (wants to pay nationalised European rail workers from our taxes) Thomas the anti British fracker (wants to destroy our beautiful island and pay American petrochemical concerns for this privilege) Thomas the anti British hate monger (hates everyone from all ethnicities that make Britain its multicultural success other than demented little englander Nazi clones)

Thomas simply hates Britain, why don't you and your far right extremist buddies fuck off to noddy land you're not wanted here.

scrat wrote:Mass immigration now is it, well we've had over six years of tory rule and immigration has never been higher, so what went wrong there?

As to the EU and break up of the U.K., it was a Tory government that took us into the EU and a Tory government with the assistance of the racist fascist UKIP that took us out, so what went wrong there?

But this thread is about global warming, something you're in complete denial about, you even tried to blame the left for that, but it's a Tory government that rides roughshod over our countryside demanding that fracking take place, blackmailing landowners so they can rape our land and pollute are water for a few dollars of profit, regardless of the consequences.

And now you're looking for someone to blame, you can't blame #Dodgydave he's gone, you can't blame BoJo the fucking idiot he's gone, you can't blame fascist fraggle farage he's gone, and because everyone who's left a trail of debris has gone, all you can do is blame the left.

Like I said, if you don't like multicultural societies, you don't like the modern world and you hate Britain that much you're happy to see it raped for a few bob, fuck off somewhere else.

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:Thomas the anti British worker (wants to pay nationalised European rail workers from our taxes) Thomas the anti British fracker (wants to destroy our beautiful island and pay American petrochemical concerns for this privilege) Thomas the anti British hate monger (hates everyone from all ethnicities that make Britain its multicultural success other than demented little englander Nazi clones)

Thomas simply hates Britain, why don't you and your far right extremist buddies fuck off to noddy land you're not wanted here.

Isn't that a bit racist?

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Isn't that a bit racist?

It is racism that's the cause of all this hate crime, ordinary British folk are fed up to the back teeth with far right nasties causing so much hatred that politicians are shot dead and migrants are attacked and killed on our streets, if racist fascist filth can't keep a civil tongue in their heads then they should fuck off elsewhere or be interned until they can act in a manner befitting a multicultural society!

eddie wrote:I do notice Tommy, that some posters accuse you of all sorts but never return to back up what they accuse you of.
I don't think I'm the only one who's noticed.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:Bloody global warming, not in Manchester.
I flew round doing everything that had to be done earlier, it was scorchio....now I can relax in the garden it's gone all dull and cloudy.....so much for the heatwave we were promised.

There was a heatwave here - yet again. Thank goodness it's gone now - the people I work with are rejoicing. It's not so bad if you have nothing to do I guess.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There was a heatwave here - yet again. Thank goodness it's gone now - the people I work with are rejoicing. It's not so bad if you have nothing to do I guess.

Morning Raggs!


Good to see you back on here!

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
It is racism that's the cause of all this hate crime, ordinary British folk are fed up to the back teeth with far right nasties causing so much hatred that politicians are shot dead and migrants are attacked and killed on our streets, if racist fascist filth can't keep a civil tongue in their heads then they should fuck off elsewhere or be interned until they can act in a manner befitting a multicultural society!

I don't think Tommy has shot any politicians or attacked and killed any migrants.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Morning Raggs!


Good to see you back on here!

Hi Tommy - thank you. I see you're still keeping your cool whilst all around you the anti-Brits are losing their heads.

nicko wrote:Hello Raggs,   glad your back.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think Tommy has shot any politicians or attacked and killed any migrants.

One would hope not, but his hatred for the world we live in, his hatred for the British people and his hatred for this beautiful island are all he ever seems to display, and then of course there's the one step further, the incitement to promote this hatred in the hope it will infect others to go out and commit hate crimes.

If you hate us Brits, just fuck off and find somewhere more appropriate, this is a multicultural society, it is diverse and colourful, and that's the way the majority of folk like it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
One would hope not, but his hatred for the world we live in, his hatred for the British people and his hatred for this beautiful island are all he ever seems to display, and then of course there's the one step further, the incitement to promote this hatred in the hope it will infect others to go out and commit hate crimes.

If you hate us Brits, just fuck off and find somewhere more appropriate, this is a multicultural society, it is diverse and colourful, and that's the way the majority of folk like it.

Tommy doesn't hate Brits, and he's a nice guy - a lot nicer than some of the "lefties" on here. You appear to be a bit selective re the people you would "cleanse" from the UK. Are you anti British?

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy doesn't hate Brits, and he's a nice guy - a lot nicer than some of the "lefties" on here. You appear to be a bit selective re the people you would "cleanse" from the UK. Are you anti British?

Calm down, Thomas is just your common or garden racist fascist, plenty of this type online, they'd soil themselves if they had to repeat such garbage in real life.

His hatred for the British is a deep seated issue, it won't go away until to he faces up to these facts, we live in a great multicultural, diverse and colourful society, get over it!

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
Calm down, Thomas is just your common or garden racist fascist, plenty of this type online, they'd soil themselves if they had to repeat such garbage in real life.

His hatred for the British is a deep seated issue, it won't go away until to he faces up to these facts, we live in a great multicultural, diverse and colourful society, get over it!

I'm perfectly calm - you seem to be the one with a problem. Are you one of those leftie ranters which frequent forums pretending to be all sweetness and light?

You didn't answer the question, so I'll rephrase it. Are you only supportive of Brits as long as they're not white?

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm perfectly calm - you seem to be the one with a problem. Are you one of those leftie ranters which frequent forums pretending to be all sweetness and light?

You didn't answer the question, so I'll rephrase it. Are you only supportive of Brits as long as they're not white?

Sweetness and light!,,,,, yep that's definitely me!

I'm supportive of all British people from all over our diversity, it is our diversity that has made us great.

Britain is a varied multicultural society, doubting Thomas is someone so filled with hatred that he tries to deny this, all I can do is open the door, it's up to him as to whether he wants to walkout into the sweetness and light.

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
Sweetness and light!,,,,, yep that's definitely me!

I'm supportive of all British people from all over our diversity, it is our diversity that has made us great.

Britain is a varied multicultural society, doubting Thomas is someone so filled with hatred that he tries to deny this, all I can do is open the door, it's up to him as to whether he wants to walkout into the sweetness and light.

You've gone off topic by the way. Tommy has been talking about global warming in this thread. You're the one who started ranting about fascists.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You've gone off topic by the way. Tommy has been talking about global warming in this thread. You're the one who started ranting about fascists.

Perhaps you're a tad confused! You asked me a question and demanded I answer it, so I did,,,,again I'm supportive of all British people.

What we're trying to ascertain is why doubting Thomas (a known racist fascist) would side with big business, polluting industries and the paid for smear campaign against all the known evidence from the scientific community regarding global warming, but then if you take into account that he hates Britain and the British because he's a racist fascist it kinda begins to make sense.

Tommy Monk wrote:I have posted the scientific facts...


All completely verifiable at reputable sources...


The facts speak for themselves...!!!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I have posted the scientific facts...


All completely verifiable at reputable sources...


The facts speak for themselves...!!!

I don't know how you do it Tommy. The subject of global warming seems to send your detractors into a frenzy.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't know how you do it Tommy. The subject of global warming seems to send your detractors into a frenzy.

You guys put a real premium on that, don’t you?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't know how you do it Tommy. The subject of global warming seems to send your detractors into a frenzy.

You guys put a real premium on that, don’t you?

On what, and who are "you guys"?

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
Perhaps you're a tad confused! You asked me a question and demanded I answer it, so I did,,,,again I'm supportive of all British people.

What we're trying to ascertain is why doubting Thomas (a known racist fascist) would side with big business, polluting industries and the paid for smear campaign against all the known evidence from the scientific community regarding global warming, but then if you take into account that he hates Britain and the British because he's a racist fascist it kinda begins to make sense.

There's no need to speak for others. Tommy isn't a known racist fascist, but you're a known disrupter of forums ...

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

On what, and who are "you guys"?

You and the other right wingers seem to think making left wingers mad is of high value.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There's no need to speak for others. Tommy isn't a known racist fascist, but you're a known disrupter of forums ...

So now this ain't about global warming its about ol sweetness and light,,,,,me!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

On what, and who are "you guys"?

You and the other right wingers seem to think making left wingers mad is of high value.

The lefties make themselves mad. Take a look at this thread and see who changed the subject. Then take a good look at the OP, and see which leftie had a pop at Tommy straight away.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The lefties make themselves mad. Take a look at this thread and see who changed the subject. Then take a good look at the OP, and see which leftie had a pop at Tommy straight away.

He deserves every pop he gets, though. He is a blatant racist and an idiot, after all.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The lefties make themselves mad. Take a look at this thread and see who changed the subject. Then take a good look at the OP, and see which leftie had a pop at Tommy straight away.

He deserves every pop he gets, though. He is a blatant racist and an idiot, after all.

He's not an idiot - the lefties are the idiots.  Anyway, that's not the point is it? The point is that a leftie started a thread having a pop at another poster, and you turned a blind eye even though it's against the rules.  

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

He's not an idiot - the lefties are the idiots.  Anyway, that's not the point is it? The point is that a leftie started a thread having a pop at another poster, and you turned a blind eye even though it's against the rules.  

That's not against the rules, so I guess it's you who's the idiot now

Interesting that you did not deny that Tommy's a racist

New topics that are obviously created to insult or provoke other members are not acceptable (action or discipline subject to moderator discretion).

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Surely the question is not "is there climate change?" but "why is there climate change?"

The climate has been changing throughout history, and will continue to change. Earth began as a red hot cinder and will eventually end up as one.

We are currently in a period which we consider as being the optimum for the support of human life on the planet and the tendency is to regard even a modest change in temperature - in either direction - as being potentially catastrophic to the continuation of human life.

It is also a natural tendency to blame someone - or at least something created by humankind - as being the cause, hence the enthusiasm among governments for the creation of new and heavy "green" taxes and punitive charges on energy use while studiously avoiding any mention of the real reason for them...and that is to fill the ever deepening black holes in national exchequers.

The scientific world, or at least that part of it connected to climatic research, is inevitably keen fully to support the political line...mainly because  their own levels of financial support depend largely on the largesse or otherwise of government. Thus we have the formerly highly respected climatic research department at the University of East Anglia  caught out being deliberately, er, economical with the truth in order to make the facts stick to the official story, while scientists such as David Bailey are not only ridiculed but made targets of public hatred and contempt.

I'm not a scientist but I know enough about history to realise that there has always been constant climate change - and always will be.

I am, however, far from being convinced that my personal choice to drive a diesel BMW and a petrol-thirsty classic Land Rover is contributing anything to the equasion other than a shedload of cash to the government's coffers.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

He's not an idiot - the lefties are the idiots.  Anyway, that's not the point is it? The point is that a leftie started a thread having a pop at another poster, and you turned a blind eye even though it's against the rules.  

That's not against the rules, so I guess it's you who's the idiot now

Interesting that you did not deny that Tommy's a racist

You don't even know your own rules now?

New topics that are obviously created to insult or provoke other members are not acceptable (action or discipline subject to moderator discretion).

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You don't even know your own rules now?

Please stop making vague, biased accusations and just provide a link to the thread you *think* is a rule violation, like a big girl. But I must say that I am happy to see that you've stopped pretending your pervy little teammate isn't a racist.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You don't even know your own rules now?

Please stop making vague, biased accusations and just provide a link to the thread you *think* is a rule violation, like a big girl. But I must say that I am happy to see that you've stopped pretending your pervy little teammate isn't a racist.

You're already in the thread, so no link is needed.

Calling Tommy "pervy" is not very nice. Do you have evidence that he's a pervert?

Raggamuffin wrote:

There's no need to speak for others. Tommy isn't a known racist fascist, but you're a known disrupter of forums ...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There's no need to speak for others. Tommy isn't a known racist fascist, but you're a known disrupter of forums ...

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You're already in the thread, so no link is needed.

Calling Tommy "pervy" is not very nice. Do you have evidence that he's a pervert?

You call that a pop? Christ on a bike but you people can be sensitive.

I thought Tommy's post in the Japan thread was a bit creepy, yes.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You're already in the thread, so no link is needed.

Calling Tommy "pervy" is not very nice. Do you have evidence that he's a pervert?

You call that a pop? Christ on a bike but you people can be sensitive.

I thought Tommy's post in the Japan thread was a bit creepy, yes.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

You call that a pop? Christ on a bike but you people can be sensitive.

I thought Tommy's post in the Japan thread was a bit creepy, yes.

Stating a fact is 'a bit pervy' now is it...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You're already in the thread, so no link is needed.

Calling Tommy "pervy" is not very nice. Do you have evidence that he's a pervert?

You call that a pop? Christ on a bike but you people can be sensitive.

I thought Tommy's post in the Japan thread was a bit creepy, yes.

Stating a fact is 'a bit pervy' now is it...!?

70-Mile-Long Crack Opens Up in Antarctica
By Stephanie Pappas, Live Science Contributor | December 6, 2016 02:47pm ET


An ominous crack in an Antarctic ice shelf as wide as a football field is long takes on an otherworldly beauty in a new aerial image.
Snapped by scientists on NASA's IceBridge mission, the shot shows a rift in Larsen C, an ice shelf that is floating off the Antarctic Peninsula. When the crack eventually spreads across the entire ice shelf, it will create an iceberg the size of the state of Delaware, according to IceBridge. That's around 2,491 square miles (6,451 square kilometers).

As of Nov. 10, when the IceBridge scientists observed this crack, it was 70 miles (112 km) long and more than 300 feet (91 meters) wide. The dark depths of the crack plunge down about a third of a mile (0.5 km), all the way through the ice to the ocean below. [See More Gorgeous Antarctic Images from IceBridge] 
According to NASA Ice, an Earth sciences program at NASA, this rift is relatively new — it showed growth on satellite imagery just this year. The U.K.-based Antarctic research group the MIDAS Project first observed the rift in 2014 and has been tracking it ever since. 
Larsen C is Antarctica's fourth-largest ice shelf, and it holds back the land-based glaciers just behind it: Once the ice shelf goes, those slow-flowing glaciers have one less barrier in their journey toward the sea. In 2002, the nearby ice shelf Larsen B partially collapsed after showing similar rifting, NASA's Earth Observatory reported earlier this year, when it showed the collapse alongside a satellite image of the growing Larsen C crevasse.

According to the MIDAS Project, the eventual calving of the Delaware-size sheet of ice would remove between 9 percent and 12 percent of Larsen C's surface area and may lead to the crumbling of the entire ice shelf.   http://www.livescience.com/57109-antarctic-ice-rift-is-70-miles-long.html

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't know how you do it Tommy. The subject of global warming seems to send your detractors into a frenzy.

You guys put a real premium on that, don’t you?

From pole to pole, twin sea ice records have scientists stunned
By Chris Mooney  Energy and Environment  December 6 at 4:59 PM   



We already knew there was something pretty odd about last month, November, in the Arctic. And in the Antarctic. At both poles, much of the floating sea ice that usually covers the chilling ocean waters was just … missing.

Now, the National Snow and Ice Data Center has officially crunched the numbers, and it is affirmed: Both the Arctic and the Antarctic were pushing new boundaries for low sea ice. We’ll let the scientists say it in their own words, because sometimes the calm language of statistics and measured analysis is enough:

Average Arctic sea ice extent for November set a record low, reflecting unusually high air temperatures, winds from the south, and a warm ocean. Since October, Arctic ice extent has been more than two standard deviations lower than the long-term average. Antarctic sea ice extent quickly declined in November, also setting a record low for the month and tracking more than two standard deviations below average during the entire month. For the globe as a whole, sea ice cover was exceptionally low.

As you can see in the figure above, Antarctic sea ice in November — the beginning of austral summer — had actually been ticking upward slightly in recent years. But in 2016 it just totally falls off a cliff.
The chart for the Arctic in November isn’t quite so dramatic, in large part because this region is already seeing a major sea ice downtrend tied to global warming — but it’s still pretty dramatic. Here it is:



Moreover, it isn’t just about the extent of sea ice — it’s the thickness of it. Its volume. That also appears to be at an extreme low, at least in the Arctic:

Zack LabeVerified account ‏@ZLabe Dec 5

November #Arctic sea ice volume was the lowest in the satellite record (PIOMAS) for the month... ~400 km^3 less than 2012pic.twitter.com/LobsO961EK



 So what is going on here?
In the Arctic, the explanation is simpler — temperatures have just been extremely warm, so the ice hasn’t been able to refreeze, heading into winter, in the way that it normally would. In fact, there was even a super anomalous period during the month when it actually shrank, “an almost unprecedented occurrence for November over the period of satellite observations,” says the center.

“Air temperatures at the 925 hPa level (about 2,500 feet above sea level) were above the 1981 to 2010 average over the entire Arctic Ocean and, locally up to 10 degrees Celsius (18 degrees Fahrenheit) above average near the North Pole,” notes the group. And that’s for the entire month of November.
In contrast, Antarctica’s behavior is more mysterious. Warmer than average air temperatures were again part of the story — though not as dramatically as in the Arctic. But what seems to also have been dramatic is shifting wind patterns around Antarctica, which created areas with little ice.

“The Antarctic is interesting because it had been high in recent years. Maybe this marks a turn toward a declining trend, but it’s far too soon to say for sure,” said Walt Meier, a sea ice expert with NASA.

This leads to a total picture in which global sea ice — the Arctic and Antarctic summed together — is just extremely low:


(W. Meier/NASA Cryospheric Sciences, GSFC)

Now, granted, some scientists do not particularly like grouping Antarctic and Arctic sea ice together to create a figure like this one. After all, the Arctic record came at a time when the ice was refreezing, while the Antarctic one came at a time when it is melting — each according to its seasonal cycle, but in opposite hemispheres.

“It really is stunning,” said Meier of the twin low records. “But I’d hesitate to draw any major conclusions. ‘Global’ sea ice is not really indicative because the environments are so different. And of course they’re in opposite seasons.”

They are. And yet here we stand with twin records — synchronous, bizarre, and hard not to be struck by.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/06/from-pole-to-pole-twin-sea-ice-records-have-scientists-stunned/?utm_term=.36d20e952b7a

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

You guys put a real premium on that, don’t you?

Once again, Tommy proves what a lying prat he truly is...

"Scientific facts"
"Completely verifiable...   reputable sources."

Lies, damn lies, and Tommy's rot..

Yes,  Tommykins..
"The facts speak for themselves."

And those,"facts" are that you are a liar and a charlatan;  while Raggamuffin proves herself to be nothing more than that fascist fool Dean's willing and unthinking handmaiden, only here to troll this site,  and cause as much trouble as possible..

You are both pathetic as contributors, and disgraces as human beings...