Hillary Clinton - not well

Reports she nearly collapsed at ground zero commemoration ceremony and had to leave to rest and recover...


But is this just another example of some much more serious health issues...?





https://youtu.be/OqbDBRWb63s


Fits and seizures...?

Unstable mentally as well as physically...?

We've already had this discussion.  http://www.newsfixboard.com/t17824-how-ill-is-hilary-clinton

It's Donald 'the unready' Trump defending himself, by essentially saying: I'm rubber and you're glue; anything you say bounces off me, and sticks to you.

Remember that ditty when you were a kid?  Well, Donald still is.

She only nearly collapsed a while ago today...

Nah, she was just stepping off the curb. No big deal.

No... she was rushed away due to being unwell.

Tommy Monk wrote:No... she was rushed away due to being unwell.

I don't think so.  The video didn't show the vehicle leaving, but stepping off a curb is hardly cause for concern. I do it thousands of times a day.

She was rushed away from the event because of being unwell...!!!


She went to her daughters apartment to rest!!!


Her people have admitted it all already!!!


Saying she 'overheated'...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:She was rushed away from the event because of being unwell...!!!

She went to her daughters apartment to rest!!!

Her people have admitted it all already!!!

Saying she 'overheated'...!!!

Nothing to it...if there were you would provide a source. She stepped off a curb. Not a big deal.

I would think a lot of this is Trumps camp trying to belittle her, but the videos where her head is juddering about (and the other people are not so I doubt it's fakery) are very odd.

Tommy Monk wrote:Reports she nearly collapsed at ground zero commemoration ceremony and had to leave to rest and recover...


But is this just another example of some much more serious health issues...?





https://youtu.be/OqbDBRWb63s


Fits and seizures...?

Unstable mentally as well as physically...?

Perhaps her karma has caught up with her? If you believe in that sort of thing, all that wealth from arms manufacturers, riddled with guilt and the scandal of being part of the criminal elite, there's a certain glint of nuclear Armageddon in her eyes, what a choice for the merkin people, a neoliberal nut job prone to seizures or a fucked in the head far right fanatic, either one with their paws on the nuke button, complete madness, God save us all.

We should send over Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.....they look positively sane in comparison.

Syl wrote:We should send over Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.....they look positively sane in comparison.

Bojo is a septic anyway, fraggle Farage has designs on France, the democrats should've stuck with Sanders.

It's worrying that the state of the worlds most powerful nations is headed by such oddities.

Just for Quill...


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-abruptly-departs-9-11-memorial-service-after-feeling-overheated-228005

Syl wrote:It's worrying that the state of the worlds most powerful nations is headed by such oddities.

Not really, the merkin people are fat, lazy, obsessed with wealth and celebrity, just look at the debt they've racked up, gluttony and greed is a way of life over there, I lived in New York for a short while, when I worked for AngloAmerican mining, I'm 6'2" and 15 stone, I felt like a hobbit, it's like the land of the Giants, anyway,,,anyone showing any signs of political acumen or actual substance is removed.

Tommy Monk wrote:

I would not offer up a video like that as evidence even if I thought I was speaking to bunch of lobotomised simpletons.

I'd be too embarrassed.

I have never seen the barrel scrapped harder.

You of all people, so quick to leap on the pettiest thing in a photo and make a meal out of anything you consider photoshopped,

You're suddenly able to overlook all the ridiculous trickery in that video, in order to promote your theories.

Its like you are two different people with a split personality.

I read somewhere Clinto h only had a year to live. How callous is that? If she did, she wouldn't be running for President.

I cant stand her, and Trumps who he is, but Id rather him than her. I was told if he won there would be a war within months, not sure about that. I don't know much about American politics but he cant be as bad as some nutters who have been Presidents around the world. What do Americans think?

Tommy Monk wrote:Just for Quill...


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-abruptly-departs-9-11-memorial-service-after-feeling-overheated-228005

These rumours have been going about for ages. She probably isn't well. I'm not sure why people are denying it tbh.

Jules wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

I would not offer up a video like that as evidence even if I thought I was speaking to bunch of lobotomised simpletons.

I'd be too embarrassed.

I have never seen the barrel scrapped harder.

You of all people,   so quick to leap on the pettiest thing in a photo and make a meal out of anything you consider photoshopped,

You're suddenly able to overlook all the ridiculous trickery in that video, in order to promote your theories.

Its like you are two different people with a split personality.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/709081/Hillary-Clinton-health-US-presidential-election-year-vascular-dementia-claim

I think I'm going to make a video to present as proof of some random guy having a seizure and of course I will speak with all the authority of a fully qualified consultant neurologist.


It's easy! I will just do what the author of that video did.

stage 1 - take a vid of random guy nodding, once. Just one simple nod
stage 2 - speed up the nod so it looks more like he jerked.
stage 3 - repeat the same photo frame consecutively five times, so it looks like he has just jerked uncontrollably 5 times.

Hey presto, this is proof the guy suffers with epileptic fits, now where is my consultancy fee??

Jules wrote:I think I'm going to make a video to present as proof of some random guy having a seizure and of course I will speak with all the authority of a fully qualified consultant  neurologist.


It's easy! I will just do what the author of that video did.

stage 1 - take a vid of random guy nodding, once. Just one simple nod
stage 2 - speed up the nod so it looks more like he jerked.
stage 3 - repeat the same photo frame consecutively five times, so it looks like he has just jerked uncontrollably 5 times.

Hey presto, this is proof the guy suffers with epileptic fits, now where is my consultancy fee??  

But if you look at the other people in the vid they don't look as if the video has been unduly messed with....or do they?
I am not very good at spotting fakery....where's HT?

You forget that there is another camera view showing her from the side and showing the journalists facing her and their reactions too...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:You forget that there is another camera view showing her from the side and showing the journalists facing her and their reactions too...!!!

That's what I was going off too Tommy, they looked shocked and unsure of what was happening.
The video of her after being taken ill at the 9/11 event was certainly genuine....she couldn't get into the car without help.

If she is ill why would she stand for president? no doubt there are people pulling the strings but why?

Have a look at the express link and watch the video on the article...


There is a suggestion at the end of video...

Syl wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You forget that there is another camera view showing her from the side and showing the journalists facing her and their reactions too...!!!

That's what I was going off too Tommy, they looked shocked and unsure of what was happening.
The video of her after being taken ill at the 9/11 event was certainly genuine....she couldn't get into the car without help.

If she is ill why would she stand for president? no doubt there are people pulling the strings but why?

She is the puppet behind others. She is the face they want to put up front and also to stop Trump.

I think it's silly to deny it and say it's the other camp spreading rumours.
If she has been campaigning whilst ill then hats off to her; it can't be easy.

Lefties lying and spinning...!?


Surely not!!!

magica wrote:I read somewhere Clinto h only had a year to live. How callous is that?  If she did, she wouldn't be running for President.

I cant stand her, and Trumps who he is, but Id rather him than her.  I was told if he won there would be a war within months, not sure about that.  I don't know much about American politics but he cant be as bad as some nutters who have been Presidents around the world.  What do Americans think?

That would be interesting, they probably get more info than we do.

Syl wrote:

Jules wrote:I think I'm going to make a video to present as proof of some random guy having a seizure and of course I will speak with all the authority of a fully qualified consultant  neurologist.


It's easy! I will just do what the author of that video did.

stage 1 - take a vid of random guy nodding, once. Just one simple nod
stage 2 - speed up the nod so it looks more like he jerked.
stage 3 - repeat the same photo frame consecutively five times, so it looks like he has just jerked uncontrollably 5 times.

Hey presto, this is proof the guy suffers with epileptic fits, now where is my consultancy fee??  

But if you look at the other people in the vid they don't look as if the video has been unduly messed with....or do they?
I am not very good at spotting fakery....where's HT?

The jerking bit is pure shite. I'd be embarassed to show it as credible evidence, to simpletons.
You could have a messed up vid of Hilary superimposed on an unmessed up vid of reporters.
All kinds of trickery is possible, you've only got to look at ordinary music videos, and like you I speak as a non expert.

You don't need HT, cos TM mentions photoshops a lot more, on here.
Anyhooo, I've had my say.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/709081/Hillary-Clinton-health-US-presidential-election-year-vascular-dementia-claim


Watch the video on this article Syl...

Jules wrote:

Syl wrote:

But if you look at the other people in the vid they don't look as if the video has been unduly messed with....or do they?
I am not very good at spotting fakery....where's HT?

The jerking bit is pure shite. I'd be embarassed to show it as credible evidence, to simpletons.
You could have a messed up vid of Hilary superimposed on an unmessed up vid of reporters.
All kinds of trickery is possible, you've only got to look at ordinary music videos, and like you I speak as a non expert.

You don't need HT, cos TM mentions photoshops a lot more, on here.
Anyhooo, I've had my say.

Tommy mentions it a lot but HT is quite good at spotting various trickeries, and she can make up some great images herself.

Anyway, I admit I am a techie thicko.....so I will leave it to others to debate.

Tommy Monk wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/709081/Hillary-Clinton-health-US-presidential-election-year-vascular-dementia-claim


Watch the video on this article Syl...

I watched it Tommy, I followed a few links and some of them looked as if she was having memory losses and falling.
She is late 60's though, and these vids have been compiled over months, so it's not definite proof she is suffering from vascular dementia as has been suggested.
She could just be getting older and a bit doddery.

You watched the 10 minute video there?


You asked why she would carry on trying to win as president if she was unable to do it if she did win...


Could mean that Obama carries on as president and has a third term.

Tommy Monk wrote:You watched the 10 minute video there?


You asked why she would carry on trying to win as president if she was unable to do it if she did win...


Could mean that Obama carries on as president and has a third term.

Yes I just saw that mentioned.
Would it (in light of who COULD be next in line) be such a bad thing?

Syl wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You watched the 10 minute video there?


You asked why she would carry on trying to win as president if she was unable to do it if she did win...


Could mean that Obama carries on as president and has a third term.

Yes I just saw that mentioned.
Would it (in light of who COULD be next in line) be such a bad thing?

Are you mad...!?

Well he is better than that megalomaniac Trump.

Trump is a legitimate possible future president... Obama is barred from carrying on after 2 terms by law.

I must add... that clinton is the only other legitimate candidate for being next president... supposedly...


But... if she is really that not well... and this has been known about all along... then she shouldn't have been standing as a candidate at all... and one of the other Democrat candidates would now be up there in the final running for President against the Republican candidate, Trump...


If her health has deteriorated only after she started running... and not known about before etc... but known since and known that it would likely be a problem... then she has had plenty of time to pull out and for the next best/next most popular Democrat candidate to step in and take over the running...


Of course if there really is nothing wrong with her... and it has been known that there really hasnt been anything wrong with her... and it is known that she is fit and well, and known that if she wins that she is fit and well enough to become president and do the job for the duration expected etc... then none of this even matters...!


But... if it turns out that she IS seriously unwell... and that this HAS been known about AND LIED ABOUT for such a long time... and that this was ALL PART OF A PLAN so SHE COULD just do enough to WIN AS PRESIDENT... BUT THEN ONLY SO SHE CAN THEN QUICKLY BAIL OUT DUE TO I'LL HEALTH... SO OBAMA CAN THEN TRY TO SAY THAT HE MUST STAY ON AS PRESIDENT INSTEAD...!!!???



WTF!!!???

Tommy Monk wrote:You forget that there is another camera view showing her from the side and showing the journalists facing her and their reactions too...!!!

From your own source, tommy:

Politico wrote:Because the event was a small, non-campaign event, just a small pool of reporters was there to cover the ceremony, but those on hand did not witness any incident. Calls and emails to more than a dozen Clinton staffers and associates asking for explanation were not returned.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-abruptly-departs-9-11-memorial-service-after-feeling-overheated-228005#ixzz4JzK1dw39

Where's the beef?  

Tommy Monk wrote:You watched the 10 minute video there?

You asked why she would carry on trying to win as president if she was unable to do it if she did win...

Could mean that Obama carries on as president and has a third term.

We don't have a parliamentary system, tom. Dr. Obama is limited by the 22-Amendment, ratified on February 27, 1951, to two terms as president.

He has been the ablest president in US history, and I'd love to see him in a third term. But, alas, it is not to be.

Tommy Monk wrote:But... if it turns out that she IS seriously unwell... and that this HAS been known about AND LIED ABOUT for such a long time... and that this was ALL PART OF A PLAN so SHE COULD just do enough to WIN AS PRESIDENT... BUT THEN ONLY SO SHE CAN THEN QUICKLY BAIL OUT DUE TO I'LL HEALTH... SO OBAMA CAN THEN TRY TO SAY THAT HE MUST STAY ON AS PRESIDENT INSTEAD...!!!???

In the event that the duly elected president resigns, or otherwise cannot fulfill the terms of her office, the Vice President, after administration of the oath of office, then assumes the office of the President. If Clinton has been elected, then Tim Kaine is automatically in position to take over.

After the Vice President comes the Speaker of the House.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You forget that there is another camera view showing her from the side and showing the journalists facing her and their reactions too...!!!

From your own source, tommy:

Politico wrote:Because the event was a small, non-campaign event, just a small pool of reporters was there to cover the ceremony, but those on hand did not witness any incident. Calls and emails to more than a dozen Clinton staffers and associates asking for explanation were not returned.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-abruptly-departs-9-11-memorial-service-after-feeling-overheated-228005#ixzz4JzK1dw39

Where's the beef?  

Between your ears by the looks of things because you are conflating two different incidents...





First being a comment on the shaky head shit she was doing (in the op video and in the video on the later 'express' link i posted), in front of the journalists a while ago...!!!


Second being earlier today when she was rushed off early from the 9/11 event after her people reportedly said she had 'overheated'...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

From your own source, tommy:



Where's the beef?  

Between your ears by the looks of things because you are conflating two different incidents...



First being a comment on the shaky head shit she was doing (in the op video and in the video on the later 'express' link i posted), in front of the journalists a while ago...!!!

Second being earlier today when she was rushed off early from the 9/11 event after her people reportedly said she had 'overheated'...!!!

There was only one event she attended today.  When she retired from the event, she went to visit her daughter's apartment, thence on to her home. As reported in your own source:

Politico wrote:...those on hand did not witness any incident.

There was no second event.

One incident was the 9/11 event today...


The other incident I was referring to was the shaky head shit in front of journalists a while ago... and as seen in the op video and the video in express link article...

Tommy Monk wrote:

One incident was the 9/11 event today...

The other incident I was referring to was the shaky head shit in front of journalists a while ago... and as seen in the op video and the video in express link article...

There was no second incident.  And all the journalists state they didn't see anything:  

Politico wrote:...those on hand did not witness any incident.

It's all in your imagination, or your coach's dream.

Yes, you have the detached lack of familiarity of the issue, suggesting you are being helped.  Oh well.

Tommy, Syl, Magica...

You three   's  should be working for the Trump campaign..

No good just being their unpaid spruikers !

Tommy Monk, Admitted Racist wrote:You watched the 10 minute video there?


You asked why she would carry on trying to win as president if she was unable to do it if she did win...


Could mean that Obama carries on as president and has a third term.

Third terms are illegal, ignoramus. Please stop opining upon issues you obviously know very little about.

Oh, and guys, she has pneumonia. Cut her some fucking slack.

magica wrote:I read somewhere Clinto h only had a year to live. How callous is that?  If she did, she wouldn't be running for President.

I cant stand her, and Trumps who he is, but Id rather him than her.  I was told if he won there would be a war within months, not sure about that.  I don't know much about American politics but he cant be as bad as some nutters who have been Presidents around the world.  What do Americans think?

Here's what Americans think:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Hillary Clinton cancels California trip after pneumonia forces departure from 9/11 ceremony

Hillary Clinton has cancelled a trip to California to attend fundraising events after it emerged the Democratic presidential nominee has pneumonia and been advised to rest by her doctor.

An aide announced the cancellation on Sunday night following Clinton’s abrupt departure from the 9/11 memorial ceremony in downtown Manhattan because, her campaign initially said, she felt “overheated”.

Clinton was scheduled to attend fundraisers on Monday and Tuesday in California, and tape an episode of the Ellen DeGeneres Show.

On Sunday morning Clinton was helped into a car away from the memorial, where she had been attending a ceremony marking the 15th anniversary of the September 11 attacks. She later travelled to her daughter’s apartment, and eventually to her home in Chappaqua, New York, before her campaign gave a more complete explanation of what had happened.

“Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies,” Dr Lisa R Bardack said in a statement. “On Friday, during follow up evaluation of her prolonged cough, she was diagnosed with pneumonia. She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule.

“While at this morning’s event, she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely.”

Clinton left the Ground Zero ceremony after an hour and 30 minutes. Video posted by a bystander to Twitter appeared to show the former secretary of state extremely unsteady and supported by aides, being helped from the curb into a vehicle.

A security official who did not wish to be identified told the Guardian Clinton had walked from the ceremony without support, got into a vehicle and been driven away.

“She didn’t look great,” he said. “Maybe she was dehydrated. These guys work 16 hours every day.”

A statement from campaign spokesman Nick Merrill subsequently said: “Secretary Clinton attended the September 11th Commemoration Ceremony for just an hour and 30 minutes this morning to pay her respects and greet some of the families of the fallen.”

Later versions of the statement omitted the word “just”.

Merrill added: “During the ceremony, she felt overheated so departed to go to her daughter’s apartment, and is feeling much better.”

Clinton’s van and security detail travelled to Chelsea Clinton’s Manhattan apartment, in the Flatiron at 26th and Madison Avenue.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/11/hillary-clinton-leaves-911-ceremony-after-feeling-overheated


She's had this cough for a while so perhaps it's only been diagnosed as pneumonia now?

I'm certainly no fan of Clinton, but tbh, she turned up to a very important occasion on a very emotional day, despite being unwell.
If she hadn't turned up people would've moaned about that.