Trump throws his own Latino supporters under the bus and they're deserting him

Several of Donald Trump’s most prominent Hispanic supporters are reconsidering their support following his major speech on immigration Wednesday.

Jacob Monty, an attorney based in Houston, resigned from the Republican candidate’s National Hispanic Advisory Council after hearing the speech in Phoenix, Politico reported early Thursday morning.

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” Monty told the news site. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

After weeks of toying with “softening” his deportation-based approach to illegal immigration, the GOP nominee on Wednesday gave a speech in which he embraced the hard-line policies and incendiary rhetoric that defined his primary campaign. He said that anyone in the United States illegally would be subject to deportation and vowed to bolster security at the U.S.-Mexico border.

For many Hispanic conservatives like Monty, who had advocated passionately for Trump, the speech was not merely a disappointment, but a betrayal. They hoped the candidate would lay out a plan for dealing humanely with the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants already in the country, especially those with no involvement in violent crime.

Trump’s support among Latino voters is far beneath that of past Republican candidates, according to public polls, which presents a unique challenge for the mogul as he seeks to win key states — like Florida, Nevada and Colorado — with large Hispanic constituencies. On Thursday, Democrat Hillary Clinton’s campaign began to run ads in Arizona, a historically Republican state but with a large number of Latino voters.

Tommy Monk wrote:Having vast numbers of illegals and foreign criminals running around your country is not doing anyone any good!

Tommy Monk wrote:I said having vast numbers of illegals running around isn't doing anyone any good...

Having vast numbers of illegals and foreign criminals running around your country is not doing anyone any good!

Ben Reilly wrote:Yeah, the whole concept of Latino Trump supporters is weird ... I heard that one warned of "taco trucks on every corner" if Trump wasn't elected.

What hurts me the most is that he said that like it would be a bad thing.

Tommy Monk wrote:Having a parking ticket is totally different from ring an illegal immigrant...

To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:

Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.

Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.

Unlawful Presence Is Not a Crime

Some may assume that all immigrants who are in the United States without legal status must have committed improper entry. This simply isn't the case. Many foreign nationals legally enter the country on a valid work or travel visa, but fail to exit before their visa expires for a variety of reasons.

But mere unlawful presence in the country is not a crime. It is a violation of federal immigration law to remain in the country without legal authorization, but this violation is punishable by civil penalties, not criminal. Chief among these civil penalties is deportation or removal, where an unlawful resident may be detained and removed from the country.

Tommy Monk wrote:Having a parking ticket is totally different from ring an illegal immigrant...

Ben Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Having a parking ticket is totally different from ring an illegal immigrant...

Not that different:

To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:

Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.

Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.

Unlawful Presence Is Not a Crime

Some may assume that all immigrants who are in the United States without legal status must have committed improper entry. This simply isn't the case. Many foreign nationals legally enter the country on a valid work or travel visa, but fail to exit before their visa expires for a variety of reasons.

But mere unlawful presence in the country is not a crime. It is a violation of federal immigration law to remain in the country without legal authorization, but this violation is punishable by civil penalties, not criminal. Chief among these civil penalties is deportation or removal, where an unlawful resident may be detained and removed from the country.

- See more at: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html#sthash.3cCMkZCK.dpuf

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Not that different:



- See more at: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html#sthash.3cCMkZCK.dpuf

Illegal entry is punishable under federal law... as you said... and a prison sentence is possible...

Tommy Monk wrote:Overstaying legal entry permissions is also illegal... and deportation is the proscribed action to be taken against those Overstaying illegal immigrants...

Tommy Monk wrote:Overstaying illegal immigrants are also most likely to be breaking other laws while trying to remain in the country illegally... working illegally, tax evasion, using fake identities/documentation etc... or if not doing any of those, likely to be earning money through other criminal means to create financial support for themselves while illegally inside the country...

Aren't any of these things criminal...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:Plus... illegal workers are taking jobs that other American citizens could legally do... thus lowering the unemployment rates and benefiting everyone!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Isn't it also a criminal offence to knowingly employ illegals...?


And not only exploiting them but also depriving the country of well needed tax dollars...!?



Your argument will be that they should be allowed to work legally and be paid proper rates and pay taxes etc...


But my argument will be that if the illegals were being removed properly and efficiently in the first place and proper action was taken against illegal employers to ensure only legit citizens were employed and on proper rates and with proper conditions etc... then huge numbers of your otherwise unemployed and deprived people would actually be in work and themselves able to provide for themselves and their families!!!


Now... which section of society is it that you lefties are always telling us have high unemployment and deprivation etc... but who really are decent and hardworking people if only they had the chance to get work etc...!!!???



Do you not realise that your support for an army of illegal immigrants (11 million was said as estimated number), and the subsequent work they do on the cheap... not only directly deprives the usa of tax dollars but also means an equal number of unemployed usa citizens are denied these employment opportunities...!!!???


And directly preventing them from working and therefore instead costing the country huge sums in benefits payments... as well as all the other associated costs seen with poor deprived desperate communities across America!!!




You lefties need to get your priorities right!!!



Either you care about black American citizens in your country and how they need access to more jobs and all the good things this would bring for them and their communities... and reducing the tax burden on the country through benefits and crime etc...


Or you support an army of illegal immigrants doing the jobs on the cheap and preventing usa citizens from having respectable lives of their own and condemned to deprived crime ridden ghettos...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Well...?

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



Illegal entry is punishable under federal law... as you said... and a prison sentence is possible...

Meh, it's no more than a parking ticket.  Federal detention costs money, and the infraction is so insignificant that no one is willing to incur that cost.  Besides, very few enter illegally.  Most enter legally.

Tommy Monk wrote:Overstaying legal entry permissions is also illegal... and deportation is the proscribed action to be taken against those Overstaying illegal immigrants...

No big deal there.  To run down those individuals would cost money, right?  Where's it going to come from?  Certainly not this 'do-nothing' Congress.  Certainly not a Democratic Congress.  So, only a Trump Congress would be willing to pitch in so much money.  Unfortunately, only one Democratic senate seat is up this term (Nevada); the rest are all Republican.  And Republicans aren't exactly supporting Trump, either.  So, the only thing that can happen in this election cycle is the Republicans can lose senate seats.

No tickee, no laundry...  If you haven't got the votes, where's the money going to come from the pay for Trump's wet dream?  For any of Trump's wet dreams?

Tommy Monk wrote:Overstaying illegal immigrants are also most likely to be breaking other laws while trying to remain in the country illegally... working illegally, tax evasion, using fake identities/documentation etc... or if not doing any of those, likely to be earning money through other criminal means to create financial support for themselves while illegally inside the country...

Aren't any of these things criminal...!?

No--or they wouldn't be if some despot didn't pass laws to make them so.  For the most part Hispanics turn out to be highly-responsible, functioning members of society.  They have that Spanish/Native American pride that is a part of their upbringing...honor the parents, respect the mother and sister, support the family unit, and above all makes the society work.  They do not commit crimes normally.  They look for works, and employers report they are steady and reliable.

Even the undocumented individuals are not looking for welfare or government hand-outs.  You can see them in border towns, standing on street corners at 4:30 am, offering themselves for work to support their wives, children and families.  But for the ICE, they are everything we would want as neighbors and friends.

Tommy Monk wrote:Plus... illegal workers are taking jobs that other American citizens could legally do... thus lowering the unemployment rates and benefiting everyone!!!

Most of the jobs they take are sub-standard, sub-pay work, that you couldn't get ordinary citizens to take.  Indeed, they only take them because they are undocumented.  That doesn't make it all right, but it demonstrates that even under the worst of conditions they are opting to pursue the path of hard work and meeting responsibilities...all in the effort to feed their families.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



Illegal entry is punishable under federal law... as you said... and a prison sentence is possible...

Meh, it's no more than a parking ticket.  Federal detention costs money, and the infraction is so insignificant that no one is willing to incur that cost.  Besides, very few enter illegally.  Most enter legally.

Tommy Monk wrote:Overstaying legal entry permissions is also illegal... and deportation is the proscribed action to be taken against those Overstaying illegal immigrants...

No big deal there.  To run down those individuals would cost money, right?  Where's it going to come from?  Certainly not this 'do-nothing' Congress.  Certainly not a Democratic Congress.  So, only a Trump Congress would be willing to pitch in so much money.  Unfortunately, only one Democratic senate seat is up this term (Nevada); the rest are all Republican.  And Republicans aren't exactly supporting Trump, either.  So, the only thing that can happen in this election cycle is the Republicans can lose senate seats.

No tickee, no laundry...  If you haven't got the votes, where's the money going to come from the pay for Trump's wet dream?  For any of Trump's wet dreams?

Tommy Monk wrote:Overstaying illegal immigrants are also most likely to be breaking other laws while trying to remain in the country illegally... working illegally, tax evasion, using fake identities/documentation etc... or if not doing any of those, likely to be earning money through other criminal means to create financial support for themselves while illegally inside the country...

Aren't any of these things criminal...!?

No--or they wouldn't be if some despot didn't pass laws to make them so.  For the most part Hispanics turn out to be highly-responsible, functioning members of society.  They have that Spanish/Native American pride that is a part of their upbringing...honor the parents, respect the mother and sister, support the family unit, and above all makes the society work.  They do not commit crimes normally.  They look for works, and employers report they are steady and reliable.

Even the undocumented individuals are not looking for welfare or government hand-outs.  You can see them in border towns, standing on street corners at 4:30 am, offering themselves for work to support their wives, children and families.  But for the ICE, they are everything we would want as neighbors and friends.

Tommy Monk wrote:Plus... illegal workers are taking jobs that other American citizens could legally do... thus lowering the unemployment rates and benefiting everyone!!!

Most of the jobs they take are sub-standard, sub-pay work, that you couldn't get ordinary citizens to take.  Indeed, they only take them because they are undocumented.  That doesn't make it all right, but it demonstrates that even under the worst of conditions they are opting to pursue the path of hard work and meeting responsibilities...all in the effort to feed their families.

Isn't it also a criminal offence to knowingly employ illegals...?


And not only exploiting them but also depriving the country of well needed tax dollars...!?



Your argument will be that they should be allowed to work legally and be paid proper rates and pay taxes etc...


But my argument will be that if the illegals were being removed properly and efficiently in the first place and proper action was taken against illegal employers to ensure only legit citizens were employed and on proper rates and with proper conditions etc... then huge numbers of your otherwise unemployed and deprived people would actually be in work and themselves able to provide for themselves and their families!!!


Now... which section of society is it that you lefties are always telling us have high unemployment and deprivation etc... but who really are decent and hardworking people if only they had the chance to get work etc...!!!???



Do you not realise that your support for an army of illegal immigrants (11 million was said as estimated number), and the subsequent work they do on the cheap... not only directly deprives the usa of tax dollars but also means an equal number of unemployed usa citizens are denied these employment opportunities...!!!???


And directly preventing them from working and therefore instead costing the country huge sums in benefits payments... as well as all the other associated costs seen with poor deprived desperate communities across America!!!




You lefties need to get your priorities right!!!



Either you care about black American citizens in your country and how they need access to more jobs and all the good things this would bring for them and their communities... and reducing the tax burden on the country through benefits and crime etc...


Or you support an army of illegal immigrants doing the jobs on the cheap and preventing usa citizens from having respectable lives of their own and condemned to deprived crime ridden ghettos...!?

Ben Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:




Isn't it also a criminal offence to knowingly employ illegals...?


And not only exploiting them but also depriving the country of well needed tax dollars...!?



Your argument will be that they should be allowed to work legally and be paid proper rates and pay taxes etc...


But my argument will be that if the illegals were being removed properly and efficiently in the first place and proper action was taken against illegal employers to ensure only legit citizens were employed and on proper rates and with proper conditions etc... then huge numbers of your otherwise unemployed and deprived people would actually be in work and themselves able to provide for themselves and their families!!!


Now... which section of society is it that you lefties are always telling us have high unemployment and deprivation etc... but who really are decent and hardworking people if only they had the chance to get work etc...!!!???



Do you not realise that your support for an army of illegal immigrants (11 million was said as estimated number), and the subsequent work they do on the cheap... not only directly deprives the usa of tax dollars but also means an equal number of unemployed usa citizens are denied these employment opportunities...!!!???


And directly preventing them from working and therefore instead costing the country huge sums in benefits payments... as well as all the other associated costs seen with poor deprived desperate communities across America!!!




You lefties need to get your priorities right!!!



Either you care about black American citizens in your country and how they need access to more jobs and all the good things this would bring for them and their communities... and reducing the tax burden on the country through benefits and crime etc...


Or you support an army of illegal immigrants doing the jobs on the cheap and preventing usa citizens from having respectable lives of their own and condemned to deprived crime ridden ghettos...!?

Okay, so you need to either learn a lot about the U.S. or butt the fuck out, because we do not consider the lowest paying jobs only fit for black people, you abhorrent fucking racist!


No it appears that you think only hispanic illegal immigrants should be doing these jobs and should also be getting paid much less for it than the proper rate of pay should be!!!

You abhorrent fucking racist!!!


You need to come to grips with the fact that the U.S. is, not as you imagine it, some "gone wrong" version of England but an entirely different nation. Black people here can and do achieve equal success to white people -- but not at a rate that suggests that institutional racism is really dead, which is what we're focusing on.


To simplify it for your simple brain, we don't think black people should be relegated to fruit-pickers or janitors in order to have a good life.


Giving unemployed people jobs is hardly relegating them!!!

And you obviously look down your nose at manual labour jobs and the workers who do them!!!




But there's another level.

We on the left in the U.S. don't think shame and unlivable wages should come with being a janitor or a fruit-picker. Neither should you -- anybody willing to work for a living is owed an actual living. People who devote 40 hours a week from their lives should have it all right -- enough to get by on.


Not what you was saying a minute ago... and I bet there are millions of your unemployed who would love to have those jobs but instead you have an army of illegal immigrants doing the work illegally and being paid much less than the going rates...



And that should extend to anyone regardless of whether they were born in a different country. The American left rightly considers it very flattering that people would want to come here to better themselves. I've known people who have created businesses here in Texas, or become the heads of churches, who were originally smuggled here in the tank of milk trucks where they had to survive for days of 140 degree heat.

You've never done anything that extreme in your life, so you can eat shit. You're a pampered little pomp-ass who doesn't even have the intelligence to understand how good you have it.

nicko wrote:When you lose your temper Ben, don't take it out on posters whatever you think of them!

nicko wrote:If ben had said the same thing about you I would have posted the same.

So, if you don't mind being insulted,[ and i'v stuck up for you several times]    just do one,   I wont comment about posters insulting you again.

Tommy Monk wrote:Problem is Ben... you don't have the intelligence to understand how tough many of your legal usa citizens have it because of an army of illegal immigrants doing work illegally and cheaper meaning they can't get the jobs!!!

... an exodus of thousands of immigrant field hands, hotel housekeepers, dishwashers, chicken plant employees, and construction workers ... have fled Alabama for other states. Like Rhodes, many employers who lost workers followed federal requirements—some even used the E-Verify system—and only found out their workers were illegal when they disappeared.

In their wake are thousands of vacant positions and hundreds of angry business owners staring at unpicked tomatoes, uncleaned fish, and unmade beds. “Somebody has to figure this out. The immigrants aren’t coming back to Alabama—they’re gone,” Rhodes says. “I have 158 jobs, and I need to give them to somebody.”

There’s no shortage of people he could give those jobs to. In Alabama, some 211,000 people are out of work. In rural Perry County, where Harvest Select is located, the unemployment rate is 18.2 percent, twice the national average. One of the big selling points of the immigration law was that it would free up jobs that Republican Governor Robert Bentley said immigrants had stolen from recession-battered Americans.

Yet native Alabamians have not come running to fill these newly liberated positions. Many employers think the law is ludicrous and fought to stop it. Immigrants aren’t stealing anything from anyone, they say. Businesses turned to foreign labor only because they couldn’t find enough Americans to take the work they were offering.

At a moment when the country is relentless focused on unemployment, there are still jobs that often go unfilled. These are difficult, dirty, exhausting jobs that, for previous generations, were the first rickety step on the ladder to prosperity. They still are—just not for Americans.

Tommy Monk wrote:2009...?


Anyway... I'm only going by what some of the Americans on here say and by some of the posts and articles I've read... as well as adding common sense...


When it is claimed that people want jobs but can't find them and also that there is an army of illegal immigrants doing loads of jobs illegally and on the cheap... then simple answer is stop and remove the illegal workers and hive the jobs to the legal unemployed citizens!


Next time I hear some leftie bleating about how blacks can't get jobs... I will reply that a leftie told me that they don't really want the jobs... OK?

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:2009...?


Anyway... I'm only going by what some of the Americans on here say and by some of the posts and articles I've read... as well as adding common sense...


When it is claimed that people want jobs but can't find them and also that there is an army of illegal immigrants doing loads of jobs illegally and on the cheap... then simple answer is stop and remove the illegal workers and hive the jobs to the legal unemployed citizens!


Next time I hear some leftie bleating about how blacks can't get jobs... I will reply that a leftie told me that they don't really want the jobs... OK?

But what about when you have low unemployment and not enough workers?  That's the situation that Obama has us in: 4% unemployment and plenty of room for additional workers.

The US is going through an economic boom right now, and there's plenty to go around.  When people speak of jobs going to China they are speaking of theory and potential, not the present reality.  Sure, the auto manufacture jobs aren't there, but they're not gone to Mexico, but to computers.  Tooling has undercut labor, not foreign workers.  In fact, there are more people moving from the US to Mexico presently, that coming here from Mexico.

Trump paints a picture that is perhaps 25-50 years old...one of Mexicans in jeans crawling through the desert brush.  He is speaking of caricatures and stereotypes, using 40-year-old news footage to flame up the ignorant...among which are foreign Englishmen like you, who know none of the facts about America, but see a parallel in British nationalism.

Tommy Monk wrote:I read unemployment is 5% with black unemployment rate being 9%...

Wiki wrote:The number of unemployed persons was essentially unchanged at 7.8 million.  US unemployment rate went up to 4.9 percent in June 2016 after falling by 0.3 p.p. to 4.7 percent in the previous month.

Tommy Monk wrote:While it was claimed on this thread that illegals number was about 3%...

Now either the unemployed want jobs and would have more jobs if the illegals were removed and prevented going work on the cheap etc... or the unemployed are lazy good good for nothing scroungers who don't really want to work at all...!?

Mlive wrote:"There are all sorts of indicators" that show African-Americans have been especially hard-hit by Michigan's economic woes, said Charles Ballard, an economics professor at Michigan State University.

When Michigan had a roaring economy in the 1990s, "blacks did very well" and began to close the financial gap between blacks and whites, Ballard said.

"But blacks have not done as well since the 2001 recession," for a host of reasons, he said.

The Great Recession in 2008-09  dealt another blow to Michigan's working-class population, said Brad Herschbein, an economist for the Upjohn Institute for Employment Research in Kalamazoo.

The biggest factor: the precipitous drop in manufacturing jobs, especially in southeast Michigan where the state's African-American population is concentrated.  http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/a_closer_look_at_black_unemplo.html

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

WHAT some people don't realise about many of those seasonal and harvesting jobs, is how short and transient they are, often only lasting for a month or three...

And increasing problems with accommodation (the lack thereof..), transport and hassles with welfare systems, has actually made it harder for workers chasing jobs, over the last 30 or 40 years --  rather than making it easier..

As for those workers that those growers thought were "legals" --  these days, a lot of fruit, vege and poultry farmers have turned to contracting companies to supply them with 'short contract' labour forces, often using either foreigners on '471' temporary visas, or using backpackers (who are allowed to work x number of hours over y number of weeks without worrying about taxes..

When some of the contracting companies are found to be crooks --  not paying full wages, ignoring labour laws, threatening workers --, often either they go bust, or disappear overnight;  and then you can find hundreds of stranded workers wandering loose in the countryside..).

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And here we se a clueless f'wit like Tommy above, cruisin' for abruisin' as he openy insults and abuses Ben..

And Tommy has the hide as to claim that abuse returned him is "unprovoked"  --  what doesn't that odious little turd understand about goading and provoking people  ???            

eddie wrote:Can you please stop doing that selective reading thing you do?

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I read unemployment is 5% with black unemployment rate being 9%...

Go to the facts:

Wiki wrote:The number of unemployed persons was essentially unchanged at 7.8 million.  US unemployment rate went up to 4.9 percent in June 2016 after falling by 0.3 p.p. to 4.7 percent in the previous month.

Tommy Monk wrote:While it was claimed on this thread that illegals number was about 3%...

Now either the unemployed want jobs and would have more jobs if the illegals were removed and prevented going work on the cheap etc... or the unemployed are lazy good good for nothing scroungers who don't really want to work at all...!?

The arguments that Trump makes, and you parrot, all involve industrial jobs around Detroit--the auto industry.  Indeed, Trump is taking his dog-and-pony show to Detroit this weekend in an effort to show his commitment to African Americans.  So let's see:

Mlive wrote:"There are all sorts of indicators" that show African-Americans have been especially hard-hit by Michigan's economic woes, said Charles Ballard, an economics professor at Michigan State University.

When Michigan had a roaring economy in the 1990s, "blacks did very well" and began to close the financial gap between blacks and whites, Ballard said.

"But blacks have not done as well since the 2001 recession," for a host of reasons, he said.

The Great Recession in 2008-09  dealt another blow to Michigan's working-class population, said Brad Herschbein, an economist for the Upjohn Institute for Employment Research in Kalamazoo.

The biggest factor: the precipitous drop in manufacturing jobs, especially in southeast Michigan where the state's African-American population is concentrated.  http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/a_closer_look_at_black_unemplo.html

The “Great Recession in 2008-09”, referred to by Dr. Herschbein, which almost brought on a repeat of 1929, was caused by the Republican profligate spending on wars, and selfish tax cuts.

What you ignore is that is that in a capitalist system, to remove money from the market is to remove jobs.  The Iraq war, started by GWB and Dick Cheney, added $17-trillion to the US deficit, leaving that much less to fuel jobs and economic growth.  

How short your memory: Were it not for Dr. Obama, the US automobile industry would be gone today.  But the point is, Trump is using black unemployment to fuel hatred for Hispanics.  He's playing the minorities off against one another!!

If you intend to penalize one minority to reward another minority, all while allowing the wars to continue and the profligate tax cuts to be imposed, then you are pandering to blacks by penalizing browns, while whites are safely ensconced in their mansions in more picturesque Michigan.  Neat trick, eh?  Play one off the other.

The reason why Trump wants to victimize the Mexicans is that they are rapidly becoming the largest population in America.  As Trump-supporter Marco Gutierrez says, you'll have a taco truck on every corner!

The argument isn't economic, but political.  Hispanics are not taking jobs, but adding votes...to the party that opposes the Republicans and Donald Trump.  The Democrat-leaning Hispanics will soon take over in huge states like Texas, Florida (Cubans), Arizona, Utah, Colorado and even Illinois and New York (ta--remember Puerto Ricans).  This is added to the largest voter population in the nation, California.  

Republicans are interested in immigration for only one reason: Hold back the hoard of Hispanic voters coming in the next 20-35 years!

Tommy Monk wrote:So us unemployment rate is around 5%... which is what I said...!!!

And if you check figures for black unemployment rate it is around 9%...

Why can't you just argue the actual points raised instead of twisting it into some 'trump says that so it must be wrong' bullshit...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:They are not 'rules to confuse' me at all... as I am making the argument myself...

Tommy Monk wrote:Now... can you not deal with argument without waffle...!?

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Can you please stop doing that selective reading thing you do?

WTF??????????

Are we speaking as a mod, or a rhetorical poster avoiding a direct answer herself?  Is this some rule you pulled out of the woodwork?  If so, please point out the rule.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:They are not 'rules to confuse' me at all... as I am making the argument myself...

Tommy, I said RUSES.  Look it up on Google.  Arguing with a RW'r is comical, if tragic.  

Tommy Monk wrote:Now... can you not deal with argument without waffle...!?

How about you address what I've said before we proceed.  Or are you going to waffle again?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy, I said RUSES.  Look it up on Google.  Arguing with a RW'r is comical, if tragic.  



How about you address what I've said before we proceed.  Or are you going to waffle again?

I know you said ruses you bell end... I'm typing from my phone and the bloody spell check auto correct messes up what I write sometimes...

So no moment of comic genius or proof of rw idiocy or anything... just a simple typo error caused by phone spell correct software...

Tommy Monk wrote:My points are simple... more legal citizens would be in work rather than unemployed if you clamped down on  the 11 million strong army of illegal workers in the country...

More tax dollars would be collected as well as savings in benefits handouts plus the improvement of life for people znd communities...

Tommy Monk wrote:This is just common sense... and surely all party's would want this.