Trump supporters who didn't take him literally are freaking out
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Trump supporters who didn't take him literally are freaking out
Vox senior editor Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Washington Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.
Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.
“I don’t know what we’ll do if it does go away,” Mills said. “I guess I thought that, you know, (Trump) would not do this. That they would not do this, would not take the insurance away. Knowing that it’s affecting so many people’s lives. I mean, what are you to do then if you cannot ... purchase, cannot pay for the insurance?”
Mills, who supported Trump for other reasons, figured Obamacare repeal was just talk. “I guess we really didn’t think about that, that he was going to cancel that or change that or take it away,” she said. “I guess I always just thought that it would be there. I was thinking that once it was made into a law that it could not be changed.”
Others who didn’t take Trump literally may soon face the same dilemma. The Urban Institute estimated this month that under the partial repeal plan previously passed by Republicans in Congress, 30 million people would lose insurance, 82 percent of them would be in working families and 56 percent would be white. Among adults who would lose insurance, 80 percent don’t have college degrees.
“The people hit the hardest are a lot of the demographics that went heavily for Trump,” observes Bob Greenstein, who runs the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal number-crunching group.
And it’s not just Obamacare. Take — literally — Trump’s “Penny Plan,” which would reduce nondefense discretionary spending by 1 percent each year for 10 years. It’s one of the more modest of Trump’s promises, yet Greenstein’s group calculates that, once inflation is factored in, it would require the government to cut by a third what it spends on such things as cancer and medical research, highways, air traffic, the Coast Guard, job training, education, Pell Grants, housing, energy, child care and food assistance, the administration of Social Security and Medicare, national parks, NASA, the IRS, Congress and the courts.
Take literally Trump’s promise to exempt public safety, and other cuts would have to be even deeper.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/dana-milbank/dana-milbank-trump-voters-didn-t-take-him-literally-on/article_1334b3f2-421f-51e1-9a00-8c9ada2730a3.html
Re: Trump supporters who didn't take him literally are freaking out
Obamacare is not even the panacea for liberals that conservatives think it is. It's based on the market and subject to the same manipulations of any capitalist scheme: withhold supply until the price goes up. Anyone noticed recently the announcement that some major insurances are withdrawing from the ACA market? Wouldst that mean they are withholding supply??
A government has two fundamental roles: assure the people are protected from outside enemies; and assure the people are protected from inside enemies. The military does the former. Healthcare is supposed to do the latter.
When it comes to military defense, we turn to socialism. Socialism is really nearest to our instincts to keep important tasks closest to us, to assure they gets done...what is the old saying: if you want a job to get done, you do it yourself. It's because socialism is direct control. You don't get cantilever distance from the goal, with all of the manipulations it invites.
So Indeed, we find the Pentagon is the largest socialist organization in the world. You don't see the US farming out the Army to Brinks Guards, or the Navy to Perception Kayaks....why would you farm out the nation's health to Kaiser or Anthem?
We need a similar socialist organization to direct our other defense organization, healthcare. We need a National Health Service, organized according to the principles of socialized medicine…the same as socialized defense.
How do we pay for it? We prioritize it to the extent that it is co-equal to our military. Then we lump together our military spending and our healthcare spending and divide it in half. We give half to the military and half to the NHS. If we can afford Edwards Air Force Base, then we can afford the Rochester Clinic...as well as the many other fine facilities we have.
A government has two fundamental roles: assure the people are protected from outside enemies; and assure the people are protected from inside enemies. The military does the former. Healthcare is supposed to do the latter.
When it comes to military defense, we turn to socialism. Socialism is really nearest to our instincts to keep important tasks closest to us, to assure they gets done...what is the old saying: if you want a job to get done, you do it yourself. It's because socialism is direct control. You don't get cantilever distance from the goal, with all of the manipulations it invites.
So Indeed, we find the Pentagon is the largest socialist organization in the world. You don't see the US farming out the Army to Brinks Guards, or the Navy to Perception Kayaks....why would you farm out the nation's health to Kaiser or Anthem?
We need a similar socialist organization to direct our other defense organization, healthcare. We need a National Health Service, organized according to the principles of socialized medicine…the same as socialized defense.
How do we pay for it? We prioritize it to the extent that it is co-equal to our military. Then we lump together our military spending and our healthcare spending and divide it in half. We give half to the military and half to the NHS. If we can afford Edwards Air Force Base, then we can afford the Rochester Clinic...as well as the many other fine facilities we have.
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Re: Trump supporters who didn't take him literally are freaking out
Ben Reilly wrote:Vox senior editor Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Washington Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.
Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.
“I don’t know what we’ll do if it does go away,” Mills said. “I guess I thought that, you know, (Trump) would not do this. That they would not do this, would not take the insurance away. Knowing that it’s affecting so many people’s lives. I mean, what are you to do then if you cannot ... purchase, cannot pay for the insurance?”
Mills, who supported Trump for other reasons, figured Obamacare repeal was just talk. “I guess we really didn’t think about that, that he was going to cancel that or change that or take it away,” she said. “I guess I always just thought that it would be there. I was thinking that once it was made into a law that it could not be changed.”
Others who didn’t take Trump literally may soon face the same dilemma. The Urban Institute estimated this month that under the partial repeal plan previously passed by Republicans in Congress, 30 million people would lose insurance, 82 percent of them would be in working families and 56 percent would be white. Among adults who would lose insurance, 80 percent don’t have college degrees.
“The people hit the hardest are a lot of the demographics that went heavily for Trump,” observes Bob Greenstein, who runs the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal number-crunching group.
And it’s not just Obamacare. Take — literally — Trump’s “Penny Plan,” which would reduce nondefense discretionary spending by 1 percent each year for 10 years. It’s one of the more modest of Trump’s promises, yet Greenstein’s group calculates that, once inflation is factored in, it would require the government to cut by a third what it spends on such things as cancer and medical research, highways, air traffic, the Coast Guard, job training, education, Pell Grants, housing, energy, child care and food assistance, the administration of Social Security and Medicare, national parks, NASA, the IRS, Congress and the courts.
Take literally Trump’s promise to exempt public safety, and other cuts would have to be even deeper.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/dana-milbank/dana-milbank-trump-voters-didn-t-take-him-literally-on/article_1334b3f2-421f-51e1-9a00-8c9ada2730a3.html
Other reasons???
For the love of God, who in their right mind would put other reasons above the fact that they need a need an organ transplant???
Some people haven't got the sense they were born with.
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Bless her....but Kentucky is where they marry their sisters. They get confused.
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Original Quill wrote:Bless her....but Kentucky is where they marry their sisters. They get confused.
Hey Quill.
My boss loved cracking jokes and he once said to me that there are some little villages in fjords in Norway so isolated, that the definition of a virgin is someone who can outrun her brother.
Yep it took me a while to work it out but I got there in the end.
Trumpee will soon learn how hard it is to please everyone at the same time. Whatever decision you make, it upsets one side or the other.
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The part that kills me is:
“I guess we really didn’t think ... he was going to cancel that ... I was thinking that once it was made into a law that it could not be changed.”
And to think, Trump's plan also reduces education funding
“I guess we really didn’t think ... he was going to cancel that ... I was thinking that once it was made into a law that it could not be changed.”
And to think, Trump's plan also reduces education funding
Re: Trump supporters who didn't take him literally are freaking out
Ben Reilly wrote:The part that kills me is:
“I guess we really didn’t think ... he was going to cancel that ... I was thinking that once it was made into a law that it could not be changed.”
And to think, Trump's plan also reduces education funding
"Keep 'em dumb..."
And as if by magic, a chant from the crowd started up...
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