Gloating Tories don't care that people are dying of poverty on the real-life Benefits Street

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Gloating Tories don't care that people are dying of poverty on the real-life Benefits Street - Page 2 Philip%20Davies-1783090

Gloating: Philip Davies
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On Monday, in the House of Commons, the Conservative MP Philip Davies gloated over the portrayal of welfare claimants in Channel 4’s Benefits Street.

Esther McVey’s flatmate asked her boss Iain Duncan Smith: “Have you, like me, been struck by the number of people on there who manage to combine complaining about welfare reforms whilst being able to afford to buy copious amounts of cigarettes, have lots of tattoos done and watch Sky TV on the obligatory widescreen television?”

All the while, on real-life Benefits Street, a mile or so from Davies’s West Yorkshire constituency, a man lay dead.

He died alone in a freezing cold flat, wearing several layers of clothes and two dressing gowns – waiting for benefits that had been stopped for months by the DWP.

Next week, the man will be buried in the Nab Wood Crematorium in Shipley, the constituency Philip Davies represents.

I have agreed not to give his surname in this article as his daughters have yet to be told of the circumstances surrounding his death.

Paul, 51, worked hard and paid taxes until a year ago, when he became depressed due to family problems. He also began getting help for alcoholism. He was assessed and awarded Employment and Support Allowance.

But in October, he failed to attend a Work Capability Assessment. The reasons for him not attending are disputed by his friends and the DWP. For the next 14 weeks, while he battled to get his benefits reinstated, Paul received no money. His health began to deteriorate.

This was a sick man who couldn’t put the heating on or eat properly, too proud to ask for help from his friends.

On January 2, the DWP wrote to him to say his benefits were being reinstated, backdated to October 5. But by this time, Paul was too ill to go to the cash machine to collect the money that had been placed in his bank account.

So he asked his friend David if he’d go to the machine for him and withdraw the money.

David went every day, but the money wasn’t there.

Finally, on January 7, David managed to withdraw cash. He went straight to give his friend the money he so desperately needed, but there was no answer.

David, by now deeply worried, broke down the front door. His friend was lying dead in the hallway wearing several layers of clothes and two dressing gowns.

“I found him dead on the floor,” David wrote on Facebook.

“With his cash in my pocket... he never got to see a penny.

“He gave me the bank card on the Saturday because he got notice dated 2/1/14 to say he’d be paid and then still didn’t get paid until Tuesday the 7th. I just feel so angry with DWP. He deserved better. He was only 51 and had worked all his life and paid taxes until he became ill last year.”

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by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:15 pm

Well we have the printed evidence above that you dont care about this

yes I agree didge...we do indeed all have blood on our hands...put there without consent and greatly resented....however on this issue...His blood is on YOUR hands and from what you have quite clearly said...you think its a fair price to pay....thats the difference.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:17 pm

You probably care quite a lot about yourself. You don't give a fuck for the people that are dying because of this policy.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:18 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
grumpy old git wrote:

Ahhh...I see, the (not one dodge...but thousands) of innocent victims of this are acceptable collateral damage are they..even when it incurs their death....NICE of you to admit it....So finally we get there...the R/W truely DO NOT give a toss about the poor and needy...as long as THEY are alright.

thanks didge...now I know what I'm dealing with...I thought you had an ounce of compassion in you but clearly I am wrong, you are as callous as the rest of em..

Ahhhh but it is you claiming it would be thousands, again not being a realist knowing that would never be the case. I never said thousands and you seek to plant a claim onto me thinking something is acceptable by your own poor perceptions, again guilt the poor argument of the left. They make exaggerations to a position then claim you back a view to this exaggerations, again daft to say the least.

Well clearly you do not know what you are dealing with as all saw that you got assumptions wrong about me already, and again here also.

You then claim I am callus by your own daft exagertaed assertions.

Guilt the only weapon the left have to debate with, except Quil, Veya and Ben etc of course, they never seem to use that, why is it those losing a debate always do?

I think it is a weapon used by the left over the past 4 years in the UK - by the Labour Party and their media arm.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:21 pm

Oh don't make me laugh Andy, bigotry is your weapon of choice, and snide reference to people's colour. I'd rather come out with what I think straight. And I guess Didge hasn't noticed some of the posts by Veya and Quill lol

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:22 pm

Too right Andy, and they use guilt so much on every debate, as if now nobody cares they are the only ones, so utterly poor in their arguments, though the ones I pointed out like Quill has some excellent points, he does not use such tactics hence he interesting debate. I can learn much from him, happy to admit, may not agree but he has vast knowledge

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:23 pm

Blood on your hands Didge, and you are proud of it. Disgusting.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:24 pm

the thing is..for guilt to be an effective weapon...OBVIOUSLY the target has to have reason to feel guilty...
SO....if its so effective the right must Really have guilt issues which they are supressing...you know where that leads....

they will all become wbankers Laughing

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:25 pm

Dear me

Lets show how poor sassy is at arguing.

Did I ever say I was proud of having blood on my hands?

Nope, but she poorly claims so

Did I say we all have blood on our hands?

Yes

Is sassy only capable of using guilt and making unfounded claims on posters?

Yes

I rest my case

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:26 pm

The difference is...the blood on YOUR hands is there with your approval....

That on mine is NOT

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:27 pm

Awww Didge if you feel so guilty......

YOU MUST BE

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:31 pm

grumpy old git wrote:The difference is...the blood on YOUR hands is there with your approval....

That on mine is NOT

incorrect, your assertion it is when it is not my view though, I make decisions in the hope no blood is spilt, though I can accept it may happen, that is called making tough decisions, your view would if seen allow for example Britain to be invaded and have many Brits killed anyway if we took your approach her during WW2

Unless of course you think the many examples their of taking tough decisions which in the long run were beneficial by winning are now to you wrong?

I don' think so, again I do not want the spilling of any blood, sadly sometimes it happens, that is realism again, something you have little of

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:33 pm

Wow.

This is like a school playground now.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:33 pm

We don't accept it should EVER happen.

Please show how it is beneficial, because they end up paying out the money, but after months of misery for the claimant, so they save nothing.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:34 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:Wow.

This is like a school playground now.

Well as the resident school bully, you should feel right at home.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:34 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:Wow.

This is like a school playground now.

Too true will come back when some sanity has returned

Night Andy!

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:35 pm

Don't forget the tissues, sanity can't happen when you're around, so it might return now.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:36 pm

Sassy wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:Wow.

This is like a school playground now.

Well as the resident school bully, you should feel right at home.

I'm a bully?

How so sassy?

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:38 pm

Not one with balls out in the open Andy, one with snidely bigotry and underhand racism. You're not big enough to come out with it straight.

Bit like really catty girls do it.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:38 pm

yeah well, there of course we have it....

WW2 was necessary...absolutely necessary

running a system which causes deaths like the one refered to in the OP is NOT absolutely necessary...you approve of it, you condone it and you EXCUSE IT...."mistakes happen....thats life" you said....

I neither know or care if you are a paticularly religious man didge...but if you are ...I hope you have a fire proof suit...you will need it where you are going....

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:41 pm

Sassy wrote:Not one with balls out in the open Andy, one with snidely bigotry and underhand racism. You're not big enough to come out with it straight.

Bit like really catty girls do it.

I do my best at all times to be kind and caring.

I'm not perfect, but I try, and i'm glad I don't carry so much hate as you sassy. I've seen it in old people and I've never understood it.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:45 pm

Oh Andy, so transparent. You wouldn't know kind and caring if it got up and bit you. I don't hate anyone. I despise bigots and racists and people who think it is ok for other people to suffer and die as long as it's not them. That's whats called having a moral conscience.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:46 pm

Sassy wrote:Oh Andy, so transparent. You wouldn't know kind and caring if it got up and bit you. I don't hate anyone. I despise bigots and racists and people who think it is ok for other people to suffer and die as long as it's not them. That's whats called having a moral conscience.

Are you now trying to say I think it is ok for other people to suffer and die?

Some of the claims you make on here are quite fantastic sassy.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:48 pm

No, Didge thinks it's ok for other people to suffer and die, he said so, for the greater good lol

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:50 pm

Sassy wrote:No, Didge thinks it's ok for other people to suffer and die, he said so, for the greater good lol

Where?

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:51 pm

Suggest you read the thread, why do you think Grumpy and I have been saying he has blood on his hands because he thinks people dying is ok.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:54 pm

Sassy wrote:Suggest you read the thread, why do you think Grumpy and I have been saying he has blood on his hands because he thinks people dying is ok.

Because you're old, full of hate, not living in the real world any more, whereas younger, working people are, and it isn't easy sassy.

by Guest Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:57 pm

Oh bless, I'll remember that when I'm out campaigning lol. It's working people who are the most pissed off, and its working people who are having to have benefits to survive. The only one not living in the real world is you. And I don't object to being called old, it's a compliment, it means I have had time to learn enough to not get taken in by people like you.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:47 am

grumpy old git wrote:yeah well, there of course we have it....

WW2 was necessary...absolutely necessary

running a system which causes deaths like the one refered to in the OP is NOT absolutely necessary...you approve of it, you condone it and you EXCUSE IT...."mistakes happen....thats life" you said....

I neither know or care if you are a paticularly religious man didge...but if you are ...I hope you have a fire proof suit...you will need it where you are going....

://?roflmao?/:

Guilt argument again, this is all some of the left can ever argue with, they seek to guilt people into believing in their bullshit, that is nothing but being underhanded and callus, how most religions play on this fact, how they brainwash peoples minds with fear from guilt!

Religious, I am an atheist Victor, and again your whole argument is one of guilt, it takes greater resolve to make such tough decisions and in the long run as seen for the people, you try to look for s short term fix that if I was to use your guilt argument would in the long run create even more harm to people, something you continue to ignore and side step. So what have we seen as evidence so far. So using your logic you condemn people in the long term to continued misery. I suggest you look again at hat you are saying because you are exactly condemning people also in the long term because of your negligence in dealing with a massive debt crises created partly by an incompetent left wing Governement

Oh my goodness ha ha so you think I am going to hell, a fictitious place from religion where people are condemned to an eternity of suffering just for not believing in a vengeful deity even though on the one hand this fidelity is meant to forgive all and have his son die for everyone to forgive their sins. You mean that daft illogical claim of a so called infallible deity who as seen humans have the ability of greater compassion of? Proving it is nothing but man made myths

Talk about comical now with threats to me what happens when I die in the hope I will succumb to poor attempts at guilt . Well victor when I am dead that is it, hence why I live my life to the full, you believe what you want, but even within Christianity you can be forgiven for your sins, and taking tough decisions for the greater good is not a sin

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:57 am

PhilDidge wrote:
grumpy old git wrote:yeah well, there of course we have it....

WW2 was necessary...absolutely necessary

running a system which causes deaths like the one refered to in the OP is NOT absolutely necessary...you approve of it, you condone it and you EXCUSE IT...."mistakes happen....thats life" you said....

I neither know or care if you are a paticularly religious man didge...but if you are ...I hope you have a fire proof suit...you will need it where you are going....

://?roflmao?/:

Religious, I am an atheist Victor, and again your whole argument is one of guilt, it takes greater resolve to make such tough decisions and in the long run as seen for the people, you try to look for s short term fix that if I was to use your guilt argument would in the long run create even more harm to people, something you continue to ignore and side step. So what have we seen as evidence so far. So using your logic you condemn people in the long term to continued misery. I suggest you look again at hat you are saying because you are exactly condemning people also in the long term because of your negligence in dealing with a massive debt crises created partly by an incompetent left wing Governement

Oh my goodness ha ha so you think I am going to hell, a fictitious place from religion where people are condemned to an eternity of suffering just for not believing in a vengeful deity even though on the one hand this fidelity is meant to forgive all and have his son die for everyone to forgive their sins. You mean that daft illogical claim of a so called infallible deity who as seen humans have the ability of greater compassion of? Proving it is nothing but made made myths

Talk about comical now with threats to me what happens when I die. Well victor when I am dead that is it, hence why I live my life to the full, you believe what you want, but even within Christianity you can be forgiven for your sins, and taking tough decisions for the greater good is not a sin

Gawd!

This Tory scumbag, keeps repeating the same old, like a fucking broken record!

It's Tory scum, and whilst we continue to suffer it's sad repeating efforts...It gives us something to laugh about, and we need the imbecile RWhingers perspective, else we would all be agreeing with each other! ::smthg::

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:00 am

Catman wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

://?roflmao?/:

Religious, I am an atheist Victor, and again your whole argument is one of guilt, it takes greater resolve to make such tough decisions and in the long run as seen for the people, you try to look for s short term fix that if I was to use your guilt argument would in the long run create even more harm to people, something you continue to ignore and side step. So what have we seen as evidence so far. So using your logic you condemn people in the long term to continued misery. I suggest you look again at hat you are saying because you are exactly condemning people also in the long term because of your negligence in dealing with a massive debt crises created partly by an incompetent left wing Governement

Oh my goodness ha ha so you think I am going to hell, a fictitious place from religion where people are condemned to an eternity of suffering just for not believing in a vengeful deity even though on the one hand this fidelity is meant to forgive all and have his son die for everyone to forgive their sins. You mean that daft illogical claim of a so called infallible deity who as seen humans have the ability of greater compassion of? Proving it is nothing but made made myths

Talk about comical now with threats to me what happens when I die. Well victor when I am dead that is it, hence why I live my life to the full, you believe what you want, but even within Christianity you can be forgiven for your sins, and taking tough decisions for the greater good is not a sin

Gawd!

This Tory scumbag, keeps repeating the same old, like a fucking broken record!
Oh do pipe down you little weasel all you have to offer is pathetic abuse

It's Tory scum, and whilst we continue to suffer it's sad repeating efforts...It gives us something to laugh about, and we need the imbecile RWhingers perspective, else we would all be agreeing with each other! ::smthg::

No it is idiots like the left that continue to destroy a nation with its incompetent methods, run along you little militant, most of us try daily to defend against discrimination to homosexuals where you create problems for them with your extremists hate

What a little weasel

:D

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:05 am

PhilDidge wrote:
Catman wrote:

Gawd!

This Tory scumbag, keeps repeating the same old, like a fucking broken record!
Oh do pipe down you little weasel all you have to offer is pathetic abuse

It's Tory scum, and whilst we continue to suffer it's sad repeating efforts...It gives us something to laugh about, and we need the imbecile RWhingers perspective, else we would all be agreeing with each other! ::smthg::

No it is idiots like the left that continue to destroy a nation with its incompetent methods, run along you little militant, most of us try daily to defend against discrimination to homosexuals where you create problems for them with your extremists hate

What a little weasel

:D

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:07 am

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:27 am

Well, I always thought that thinking it ok for people to die for the greater good was an extremist point of view, but apparently it's Tory Party Policy according to Didge.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:00 am

Sassy wrote:Well, I always thought that thinking it ok for people to die for the greater good was an extremist point of view, but apparently it's Tory Party Policy according to Didge.

And using the lefts logic they have no problem with mass people suffering in dying in the long run if they were to borrow the nation into bankruptcy

Of course communists cannot think that far ahead

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:05 am

How odd, you have turned into Drinky. Must be those deaths on your conscience, a blocking mechanism.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:13 am

Sassy wrote:How odd, you have turned into Drinky. Must be those deaths on your conscience, a blocking mechanism.

Hilarious, use the daft logic of the left and they get all flustered and have no answer

Epic fail

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:14 am

That wasn't an answer, it was an observation, you are using the same words he does, obviously run out of your own.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:15 am

No dear I am showing that some of the left you more than any do not have a scooby doo what you are talking about.

Austerity was necessary to bring around the economy, if we had used your view, we would be like France and no doubt still in a recession which in the long term would affect millions more, thus you would create far more suffering in the long term, something you fail to grasp

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:19 am

No sweetie pie, you are showing me nothing, you are not intelligent enough to show me or anyone else anything. Now calm down before you have a heart attack. And this has never been about austerity, it has been about the way ATOS handle claims, so stop frothing at the mouth and actually talk about why the man died, due to ATOS dealing with his claim incompetently and without a care for his well being.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:21 am

Sassy wrote:No sweetie pie, you are showing me nothing, I am not intelligent enough to understand anything me or anyone else anything. Now calm down before you have a heart attack. And this has never been about austerity, it has been about the way ATOS handle claims, so stop frothing at the mouth and actually talk about why the man died, due to ATOS dealing with his claim incompetently and without a care for his well being.

Hilarious, as seen sassy has no answer, we see how france is and we would be the same if under clueless left wingers like Sassy, then she makes the most comical claims about me as If I am bothered by a sad little commie as sassy

:D

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:25 am

What has France got to do with us? Who is saying we should do what they have done, when has it ever been appropriate, how are we in the same position as them? Diversion again.

Now, shall we get back to how ATOS handled the claim and how you think it was ok?

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:30 am

Oh dear me now the denial of where the left in Government are incompetent, austerity measures are in place here that have turned the country around, the left never have an answer to that, hence why in the long term they would create untold suffering to many people

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:33 am

Austerity measures have nothing to do with how ATOS processes claims. As you are too thick to understand that, I'm off to have my rest. Having had chemo three days ago, dealing with fools isn't a high priority at the moment.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:36 am

ATOS is not perfect never claimed it is but it works and it needs tweaking, as the experts agree on.

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:34 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
grumpy old git wrote:yeah well, there of course we have it....

WW2 was necessary...absolutely necessary

running a system which causes deaths like the one refered to in the OP is NOT absolutely necessary...you approve of it, you condone it and you EXCUSE IT...."mistakes happen....thats life" you said....

I neither know or care if you are a paticularly religious man didge...but if you are ...I hope you have a fire proof suit...you will need it where you are going....

://?roflmao?/:

Guilt argument again, this is all some of the left can ever argue with, they seek to guilt people into believing in their bullshit, that is nothing but being underhanded and callus, how most religions play on this fact, how they brainwash peoples minds with fear from guilt!

Religious, I am an atheist Victor, and again your whole argument is one of guilt, it takes greater resolve to make such tough decisions and in the long run as seen for the people, you try to look for s short term fix that if I was to use your guilt argument would in the long run create even more harm to people, something you continue to ignore and side step. So what have we seen as evidence so far. So using your logic you condemn people in the long term to continued misery. I suggest you look again at hat you are saying because you are exactly condemning people also in the long term because of your negligence in dealing with a massive debt crises created partly by an incompetent left wing Governement

Oh my goodness ha ha so you think I am going to hell, a fictitious place from religion where people are condemned to an eternity of suffering just for not believing in a vengeful deity even though on the one hand this fidelity is meant to forgive all and have his son die for everyone to forgive their sins. You mean that daft illogical claim of a so called infallible deity who as seen humans have the ability of greater compassion of? Proving it is nothing but man made myths

Talk about comical now with threats to me what happens when I die in the hope I will succumb to poor attempts at guilt . Well victor when I am dead that is it, hence why I live my life to the full, you believe what you want, but even within Christianity you can be forgiven for your sins, and taking tough decisions for the greater good is not a sin

What ever made you thing I am a christian ....figure of speech didge...thats all...or perhaps a thought that thats what you deserve, you see IF i was to consider you had "sinned" (which I dont since sin is illogical in MY belief ) the sin wouldnt be "taking tough decisions" It would be the greater sin of "omission". Turning a blind eye to the death and misery being caused, thereby condoning it. But that takes us into theology.....

BTW....hint ......we are all "gods"....striving to become one with the "will to be"

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:38 pm

Sassy wrote:Austerity measures have nothing to do with how ATOS processes claims. As you are too thick to understand that, I'm off to have my rest. Having had chemo three days ago, dealing with fools isn't a high priority at the moment.

::lightsab:: ::lightsab:: ::lightsab:: :-:cawg:-:

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:39 pm

I never said you wer victor, but you have some wierd notion I am going to what did you say:
I hope you have a fire proof suit...you will need it where you are going....

Why would I need anything when I am dead unless you believe something happens religiously in connection to hell when I am dead, a christian belief.??

That seems off if you are not a Christian to believe in Christians beliefs does it not?

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:46 pm

read the post didge...read the post Laughing

by Guest Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:53 pm

I did Victor hence why |I found your point funny to say to an atheist!

Right have to go all the best

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