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Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President

Clinton has already secured the majority of pledged delegates, making her nomination all but official.

07/12/2016 11:28 am ET
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has endorsed presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton for president.
“Secretary Clinton has won the Democratic nominating process, and I congratulate her for that,” Sanders said. “She will be the Democratic nominee for president and I intend to do everything I can to make certain she will be the next president of the United States.”
Sanders thanked those who voted for him during the Democratic primary, especially the people of New Hampshire ― where he got his first primary win ― and his home state of Vermont. He also warned against presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, arguing the business mogul would be bad for working families.
Clinton has already secured the majority of pledged delegates, making her nomination all but official.  
A self-described democratic socialist, Sanders was initially seen as a non-threat to Clinton’s path to the White House. But the senator’s progressive message, focused on righting the wrongs of economic inequality, struck a chord with many voters.
Sanders picked up an early win in New Hampshire, a victory few pundits would have predicted months earlier. One month later, he stunned with a victory in Michigan, despite polls showing a huge lead for Clinton. That win, apparently bolstered by Sanders’ criticism of U.S. trade policy, emboldened his campaign to gun for the rest of the Midwest.
“These states in the Midwest are going to respond to us and our message in the same way Michigan workers did, and that is, ‘We need an economy that works for all of us and not just the 1 percent,’” Sanders said.
Clinton swept the March 15 primaries, however, winning Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio. And as she continued to dominate in big states, Sanders struggled to keep up in the delegate count.
Nevertheless, Sanders held on. While Clinton took home most of the delegates in big states like Pennsylvania and New York, Sanders had a series of wins in smaller states from the end of March through mid-May. But while it remained nearly impossible for Sanders to overtake Clinton in the pledged delegate count, he vowed to stay in the race until the convention, hoping to flip unpledged superdelegates to his side.
After Donald Trump became the GOP’s presumptive nominee, Sanders hoped to convince voters he’d have a better chance at defeating the hotel magnate in November’s general election. But as primary season came to a close, Clinton still came out on top in the delegate race. 
Bernie Sanders’ candidacy was far more successful than many pundits expected.

Sanders announced his presidential bid in April 2015, touting himself as a progressive alternative to the perceived inevitability of a Clinton nomination.
“People should not underestimate me,” Sanders told The Associated Press. “I’ve run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates and, you know, I think the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country.”
The senator gained momentum throughout the summer and fall, picking up a host of big-name endorsements including former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, economist Thomas Piketty and celebrities like Killer Mike, Spike Lee and Sarah Silverman.
Throughout the campaign, Sanders sought to convince voters that Clinton was too beholden to corporate interests to adequately represent working-class Americans, pointing to donations from Wall Street executives. He also pressed Clinton to release the transcripts of lucrative speeches she made to Goldman Sachs. Clinton, in turn, accused the senator of smear tactics, denying donations had influenced her policy positions.
Clinton and Sanders also frequently tussled over issues like health policy and gun violence. However, the key difference between the two candidates was one of vision. HuffPost’s Jonathan Cohn explained:
Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) were really arguing over something very basic.
Can the next president eliminate, or at least weaken substantially, the political obstacles that block a liberal agenda?
Sanders thinks the answer is yes. Clinton thinks the answer is no.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-endorses-hillary-clinton_us_56e98f60e4b0b25c91841bdd
Yes, INDEED ...rolling right back into the WH in 2017.  TY - TY, dear Bernie.

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Post by Ben Reilly Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:45 pm

Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) were really arguing over something very basic.
Can the next president eliminate, or at least weaken substantially, the political obstacles that block a liberal agenda?
Sanders thinks the answer is yes. Clinton thinks the answer is no.

I think Clinton's real answer would be "not right away."

For nearly four decades, the Democrats got to show the country what their brand of leadership would be like only 12 years -- four of those being the Carter administration, which was dealt one of the worst hands imaginable in terms of circumstances beyond anybody's control, and the other eight being the, let's face it, center-right governance of Bill Clinton.

Only in the past seven years have Americans gotten a taste of true liberal leadership, and great strides have definitely been made. But give the Democrats 21 more years to catch up with the amount of fundamental, institutional changes that the Republicans were able to wreak institute.

I believe with that amount of time, we could re-ban assault weapons, we could take meaningful action against climate change, we could make the playing field of opportunity far more level, we could vastly improve public education, we could end up with a health-care system to rival that of the Swiss (at least), we could return America to a role of keeping peace rather than instigating wars, we could make major upgrades to our own social safety net, and implement many other improvements.

Hillary Clinton is a realist -- she knows the liberal movement in the U.S. is still in a hole, and that conservatives have remade many, if not most, of our institutions to their liking and advantage.
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Interesting question 333; but what would my single one opinion about that 'trust' issue have to do with my need to judge my future POTUS for their value and desire to do the right thing for my country as an ENTIRE NATION confused

a.) Require that any and all current and future nominee's for any election position {from local sheriff to my presidential choice} be put through a polygraph test
b.) Take them on their face value {track record} that they really have zero EVIL intent do do me & my country any ill will and that on the surface of all things created equal = politicians tell some horrible falsehoods and misquotes and try to be all things to all people and fail to please every one  Wink
She's getting MY vote!

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:00 am

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:34 am

Ahhhhh, Veya ...I gather that you have little regard for our POTUS candidate; but trying to draw a comparison between emails sent and received by an official of my government and the treacherous/ stealing/make believe world of one lying cretin like Edward Snowden --- what correlation or connection are you trying to make  confused

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:51 am

Snowden is a hero, fighter for freedom Democracy and Secular ideals.
Hillary is Scum, no two ways about it.

And Any Nation Dumb enough to elect someone in the 21st century that cannot understand Email, is destine for a failure.

Plus People acting like it was not a big deal that Hillary had a private email server has NO FUCKING CLUE as to the implications.
She should be in Jail, no if not buts, She could have done what Snowden did Thousands of times No one knows Cause She Hid them all by using a private server. Any penalty that Snowden gets Hillary NEEDS to get too or there is no justice, they have the same crime of releasing secret documents, Hillary released them to unsecured server. which is the same as posting them to 4chan or Pirate bay.
If you don’t think China and Russia have ever single thing she took out from under lock and key and left unsecured then you are incredibly naive.

I doubt she didn't know what she was doing she has just covered her tracks and now is playing the dumbass card, which in itself should disbar her from being president.


To be perfectly Honest, Hillary IS worse than Trump And Trump is Complete Shit but Hillary is still more evil.
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WHOA ---tell me how you really feel  Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 202592697
A.) You seem to forget that the technology during that era was moving rapidly ...she had been using a pager/a blackberry/a cell phone/ eventually a lap top then a tablet and an IPAD and as the places she was sent into via her Sec. Of state position crossed over certain tower or satellites range regions they (HRC & her staff) kept having to swap out what and how many of the phones were going to pick up solid signals.

B.)You make it sound like that was just all a Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 2387050134 and everyone was clicking and getting connections going out and clear signals and emails coming in.  Both Condi Rice and Colin Powell have stated that the constant transition between what would work - what they hoped would work and what proved reliable wasn't always 'THE GOV. EMAILSERVER ONLY' method.

C.)You seem to think that she'd intentionally do something to put my country in great harm ...as if she had devious/evil I'll will to do my nation HARM - SERIOUSLY?

 When my own country has had 8 federal agency servers HACKED and files corrupted that were "supposed" to be protect by the best - of - the - best security  Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 1363015401

Surely you jest jocolor  BTW ...you really must apply to the CIA, your ability to adjudicate our laws better than what the FBI did makes me wonder how we've managed without you and your deductive reasoning skills all these years  Suspect

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:40 am

LOL USA does not by any info sec measure have the best security.
And Email has been around since BEFORE Bill Blew his load on Monica and Gave Hillary the chance to be president (she wasn't even a politician until then). So no, that Era excuse is unacceptable! and IF You are suggesting that People Of her era should not be eligible? I agree, cause if You can’t work your email properly, You can’t run a modern nation either.

I am Ashamed of the Left for giving Bullshit excuses, no different than a Trump supporters trying to defend his racism.
Hillary’s Idiocy and ignorance should disbar her from being near nuke codes, Just like Trump. they are 100% equal in how absolutely unqualified they are for the position. I don’t care If Hillary is in LW party She has No business being that close to the Presidency due to her personal failings.

And If the professionals at the CIA and FBI cant protect the emails 100%, that just shows how she may as well have just given them to Russia and China. What she did is worse than Snowden cause at least he somewhat vetted what he released she just dumped it all out there with out a 2nd thought. Completely indefensible actions for someone that was working at such a high level, she should face consequences for that. And that should blacklist her form ever working near classified material ever again.
the SAME penalty Snowden faced she should face. She Committed a worse Crime. Being too dumb or too lazy is no excuse (cause that is the problem they have connecting to the federal servers the several layers of Authentication make it slow and cumbersome BUT SAFER!!!)
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Post by eddie Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:26 am

Sorry but Clinton is a liar and a fraud.
The only reason she will be voted for is because the other candidate isn't liked.

She isn't a good woman. I've said it from the beginning. Her husband was a slimey shit and she is slimey by association and the fact she lay down with him after he spattered Lewinksy's dress....tells me she lied to him too. And herself.

Don't trust liars. And don't trust a highly independent businesswomen who can't work emails! Rolling Eyes
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Post by Eilzel Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:52 am

Hilary is a terrible person. Trump is a terrible person. But at least Hilary is a terrible person who will support equality and human rights. That's really the only thing separating the two.
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Post by Guest Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:16 pm

No need to apology, Eddie; for what it's worth you 3 have your opinions and that and a 2¢ tootsie-roll will get you a good feeling for a while.  Laughing

But since you 3 seem to have rather shallow idea's for why/what/how the thinking public would vote!  Or she {HRC} wouldn't have been able to sustain such a long lasting heinous attacks all these years; ...she's got more value then then surviving her cheating husband and the GOP's 80 million dollar witch hunt about Benghazi and her Email kerfuffle. But as I've posted - reposted - keep posting my rational thoughts about her value - her abilities and 'YES', her misteps and blunders do not take away from what she's accomplished and what she can do - what she capable changing - what this 'MY' country needs! 
It would appear that you have your own collective group of unacceptable political humans to fret about; but if your scale of character isn't any better skewed then how you judge HRC ...I'd be thinking that Theresa May, might possibly have more on the ball then you possibly give her credit for.  Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 2187004795
Just say'n ...judging the judges with whom seem to scrape the surface for minor character flaws for justification for 'not liking' their appointed/elected officials seems immature/petty, and would have doomed our form of government long ago!  LOL

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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:28 pm

eddie wrote:Sorry but Clinton is a liar and a fraud.
The only reason she will be voted for is because the other candidate isn't liked.

She isn't a good woman. I've said it from the beginning. Her husband was a slimey shit and she is slimey by association and the fact she lay down with him after he spattered Lewinksy's dress....tells me she lied to him too. And herself.

Don't trust liars. And don't trust a highly independent businesswomen who can't work emails! Rolling Eyes

What does that have to do it? It's a private matter.

How did she lie to him?
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Post by Original Quill Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:17 pm

eddie wrote:Sorry but Clinton is a liar and a fraud.
The only reason she will be voted for is because the other candidate isn't liked.

She isn't a good woman. I've said it from the beginning. Her husband was a slimey shit and she is slimey by association and the fact she lay down with him after he spattered Lewinksy's dress....tells me she lied to him too. And herself.

Don't trust liars. And don't trust a highly independent businesswomen who can't work emails! Rolling Eyes

I disagree.  The Repuglicans have done a great job over the past two-years of maligning her.  Obviously, you have bought into it.

In all of the Repuglican criticisms of her, there is no there, there.  Benghazi, emails, all of it...it's all "imaginary stuff", as Bill Maher points out.  Benghazi?  Read my lips...it was a war, one that the Repugs started.  People die in wars...where the fuck have you conservatives been???  Emails?  Nothing classified ever got out.  Both Colin Powell and Condi Rice, both Republicans, used a private server...what a bunch of total bullshit about nothing.

This relates to what I have been saying for decades: Republicans lie.  They don't do anything productive.  They don't govern.  They don't plan.  They don't design.  They don't pass legislation.  All they do is dig up dirt to churn into mud and sling.  If they are creative at all, it is to make wars and kill babies.  Otherwise, it's just one investigative committee after another, all generating lies.  

Even you Eds, I have never heard you articulate one thing wrong about Hillary...the best I've ever heard from you is you don't like her because her husband is a philanderer.  And that's her husband, fgs...she's the victim.

So it all boils down to: you don't like her.  No reason for that.  Just a form of pre-judgment, or that is to say, prejudice.  To be the target of Repuglican lies--my book is entitled Why Elephants Lie--makes her my number one favorite, under the theory that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  It makes me want to go out and campaign for her all the more.

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Post by veya_victaous Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:15 am

she is a sell out backed but the worst businesses.
she is incompetent.
she has broken the law
she has nothing to offer.

Democrats should be ashamed of their party for even having her as a potential nominee, the fact she is the 'best' your party can put up means your party is in just as bad shape as the Republicans.

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And no one knows for sure if anything got out, She put it on an unsecured server it doesn't have the sopicsticated enough tracking to tell who really accessed it. Peopel get fired for that sort of shit all the time SHE SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED she should definitly be blacklisted from and classified info for life and probably in Jail.

And Stop the Bullshit that it is conservatives attacking her.
Both Me and Les are more liberal than you, and Both of think she is shit as the majority of Liberals that are not rusted on party apologists do.

I may not agree with him at all, but Trump deserves it more than Hilliary he raised his profile himself, she is nothing but a party puppet, getting railroaded to the top job because of backroom deals.
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veya_victaous wrote:she is a sell out backed but the worst businesses.
she is incompetent.
she has broken the law
she has nothing to offer.

Democrats should be ashamed of their party for even having her as a potential nominee, the fact she is the 'best' your party can put up means your party is in just as bad shape as the Republicans.

And no one knows for sure if anything got out, She put it on an unsecured server it doesn't have the sopicsticated enough tracking to tell who really accessed it. Peopel get fired for that sort of shit all the time SHE SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED she should definitly be blacklisted from and classified info for life and probably in Jail.

And Stop the Bullshit that it is conservatives attacking her.
Both Me and Les are more liberal than you, and Both of think she is shit as the majority of Liberals that are not rusted on party apologists do.

I may not agree with him at all, but Trump deserves it more than Hilliary he raised his profile himself, she is nothing but a party puppet, getting railroaded to the top job because of backroom deals.
OK ...well here's the #1 thing that takes all of this off of your shoulders dear Veya ...DO NOT CAST A VOTE  FOR HRC;  OOPS, wait a minute ...you don't get to vote in our elections anyway  relieved

So all of your 'NON-FBI' innuendo - what if - hypothetical - conjecture  Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 3359862487   is just wasted  energy and you'll survive this election process unscathed either way.
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Post by Eilzel Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:47 am

Veya, do you not think Trump could be a disaster where equality and human rights are concerned?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:11 am

Eilzel wrote:Hilary is a terrible person. Trump is a terrible person. But at least Hilary is a terrible person who will support equality and human rights. That's really the only thing separating the two.

I'm curious, Les. What is it that makes Hilary a terrible person?

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Post by Original Quill Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:16 am

eddie wrote:She isn't a good woman. I've said it from the beginning. Her husband was a slimey shit and she is slimey by association and the fact she lay down with him after he spattered Lewinksy's dress....tells me she lied to him too. And herself.

Weak eds. I wouldn't buy that if I were on the jury.

Verdict: Hilary wins. I don't see any culpability on her part on the Lewinsky matter. Hilary may change her mind, but she never lies.

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Post by veya_victaous Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:34 am

Eilzel wrote:Veya, do you not think Trump could be a disaster where equality and human rights are concerned?

Yes and No.
I don't think he would actually achieve much and could put that polictical group into the spot light for their incompetance.

I disagree with his policies more, but he is still more deserving that Hilliary.


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Post by veya_victaous Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:42 am

4EVER2 wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:she is a sell out backed but the worst businesses.
she is incompetent.
she has broken the law
she has nothing to offer.

Democrats should be ashamed of their party for even having her as a potential nominee, the fact she is the 'best' your party can put up means your party is in just as bad shape as the Republicans.

And no one knows for sure if anything got out, She put it on an unsecured server it doesn't have the sopicsticated enough tracking to tell who really accessed it. Peopel get fired for that sort of shit all the time SHE SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED she should definitly be blacklisted from and classified info for life and probably in Jail.

And Stop the Bullshit that it is conservatives attacking her.
Both Me and Les are more liberal than you, and Both of think she is shit as the majority of Liberals that are not rusted on party apologists do.

I may not agree with him at all, but Trump deserves it more than Hilliary he raised his profile himself, she is nothing but a party puppet, getting railroaded to the top job because of backroom deals.
OK ...well here's the #1 thing that takes all of this off of your shoulders dear Veya ...DO NOT CAST A VOTE  FOR HRC;  OOPS, wait a minute ...you don't get to vote in our elections anyway  relieved

So all of your 'NON-FBI' innuendo - what if - hypothetical - conjecture  Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 3359862487   is just wasted  energy and you'll survive this election process unscathed either way.
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Yeah 4eva you Used the same Cop out as the brexiters.
And the USA is a lot bigger and has an effect more directly.

I think this maybe the end of the USA as World leader.
I know, seeing the USA put these 2 up I am 100% positive China's rise is only a matter of time.

it's not conjecture she admitted it and now non-tech people are talking diown WHAT A MAJOR breah of secutity it was. What she herself has admitted too is enough to mean she should be nowhere near the oval office or any classified info.. she would be fired on the spot if she did that in the depart i work in, as Every normal person would be!!! it is so obvious a cover up is is disgusting.


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Post by Eilzel Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:43 am

Quill- she talked down to Bernie supporters on a number of occasions, she took money from major financial companies to give speeches but refuses to release the transcripts, the emails fiasco, the full blown assault on Sanders himself by her allies of which she has to take ultimate responsibility for, the fact she has no 'balls' to take up liberal causes before she is absolutely sure it is politically safe to do so (her opposition then sudden support for gay marriage at the last moment was comical), and the fact she is a compulsive liar, remember her trip to Bosnia? She remembers it three differnt ways!

Veya- whoever is more deserving, I think he has the greater liklihood of causing more damage from a liberal standpoint, or any standpoint, than she does.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:50 am

I think under Trump you would have GWB all over again.  Trump doesn't care about ruling...he just wants the ego grab of winning.  After he wins, he will soon release his grip on the office and someone like former-VP Dick Cheney will get in there...having all the power, and none of the responsibility.

Then look for another 10-year war, $17-trillion debt, and a run up to a grade 2 depression, such as we had on October 8, 2008.  We'll bail out the banks, who will give their officers $-million bonuses,  Perhaps we'll have to grant loans to US auto manufacturers, or maybe aircraft manufacturers.  US credit will begin to shoot up, after Dr. Obama had painstakingly built US the credit back up.

And that's if Trump does not start a nuclear war in Europe, or maybe over here.  I'm on the west coast, far from Syria.  But we are thinking of the Pacific States... Cool


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veya_victaous wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Veya, do you not think Trump could be a disaster where equality and human rights are concerned?
Yes and No.
I don't think he would actually achieve much and could put that polictical group into the spot light for their incompetance.

I disagree with his policies more, but he is still more deserving that Hilliary.
And no one knows for sure if anything got out, She put it on an unsecured server it doesn't have the sopicsticated enough tracking to tell who really accessed it. Peopel get fired for that sort of shit all the time SHE SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED she should definitly be blacklisted from and classified info for life and probably in Jail.



Given your 'WHAT IF SCENARIOS' (which is just pure conjecture - make believe witch hunt)
you obviously give our republican director of the FBI SLIM TO NO-JOB SKILLS for doing his job and forget that had HRC been proven GUILTY of mishandling all if those emails (coming in & and going out) then all if those top STATE officials that had sent her a reply - request - follow up response from yet another NON-PROTECTED SERVER with the topic/subject line missing the :CLASSIFIED  notation ....then every one of those State officials would be subject to the same legal due process as HRC 
How wide a net - how many millions - how many years do you want to burn up with the wild goose chase?   
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Eilzel wrote:Quill- she talked down to Bernie supporters on a number of occasions, she took money from major financial companies to give speeches but refuses to release the transcripts, the emails fiasco, the full blown assault on Sanders himself by her allies of which she has to take ultimate responsibility for, the fact she has no 'balls' to take up liberal causes before she is absolutely sure it is politically safe to do so (her opposition then sudden support for gay marriage at the last moment was comical), and the fact she is a compulsive liar, remember her trip to Bosnia? She remembers it three differnt ways!

Veya- whoever is more deserving, I think he has the greater liklihood of causing more damage from a liberal standpoint, or any standpoint, than she does.

She is cautious. She evolves and changes on policy. She can be a fierce campaigner. She is builds up war chests. But I've not seen any significant lies from her.

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4EVER2 wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Veya, do you not think Trump could be a disaster where equality and human rights are concerned?
Yes and No.
I don't think he would actually achieve much and could put that polictical group into the spot light for their incompetance.

I disagree with his policies more, but he is still more deserving that Hilliary.
And no one knows for sure if anything got out, She put it on an unsecured server it doesn't have the sopicsticated enough tracking to tell who really accessed it. Peopel get fired for that sort of shit all the time SHE SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED she should definitly be blacklisted from and classified info for life and probably in Jail.



Given your 'WHAT IF SCENARIOS' (which is just pure conjecture - make believe witch hunt)
you obviously give our republican director of the FBI SLIM TO NO-JOB SKILLS for doing his job and forget that had HRC been proven GUILTY of mishandling all if those emails (coming in & and going out) then all if those top STATE officials that had sent her a reply - request - follow up response from yet another NON-PROTECTED SERVER with the topic/subject line missing the :CLASSIFIED  notation ....then every one of those State officials would be subject to the same legal due process as HRC 
How wide a net - how many millions - how many years do you want to burn up with the wild goose chase?   
You've got Nada but just a deep seated resentment against this woman ...how ODD!   Did she run over you favorite dog? Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 1858517897

If she were a pleb she'd have been fired on teh spot no investigation at all
Spend nop more time coverign her ass and juist fire her now

And using the woman card is another cop out!
see IF she had anything going for her you could point it out, ONE good thing about her
But You cant, all you can is play cop out cards.
It is all the LW is doing, it is disgusting, I am Ashamed of other LW for stooping so low.

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Original Quill wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Quill- she talked down to Bernie supporters on a number of occasions, she took money from major financial companies to give speeches but refuses to release the transcripts, the emails fiasco, the full blown assault on Sanders himself by her allies of which she has to take ultimate responsibility for, the fact she has no 'balls' to take up liberal causes before she is absolutely sure it is politically safe to do so (her opposition then sudden support for gay marriage at the last moment was comical), and the fact she is a compulsive liar, remember her trip to Bosnia? She remembers it three differnt ways!

Veya- whoever is more deserving, I think he has the greater liklihood of causing more damage from a liberal standpoint, or any standpoint, than she does.

She is cautious.  She evolves and changes on policy.  She can be a fierce campaigner.  She is builds up war chests.  But I've not seen any significant lies from her.
She's just very political savvy ...hasn't she paid her dues ?
She's put her time in working her way up through the rank & file - she's educated - she very well versed in the global issues - she handles the high pressure spot light better then most of the GOP that have left the campaign stage - she's got the moxey and back bone/fortitude to stand up too and beside world leaders that she's met as the Sec of State and former first lady! And - AND she can run circles around 'Cheeto-Jesus' without breaking a sweat ...and she won't have to stoop to his gutter level verbal dribble either Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 1716015268

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veya_victaous wrote:
4EVER2 wrote:
And no one knows for sure if anything got out, She put it on an unsecured server it doesn't have the sopicsticated enough tracking to tell who really accessed it. Peopel get fired for that sort of shit all the time SHE SHOULD BE UNEMPLOYED she should definitly be blacklisted from and classified info for life and probably in Jail.


Given your 'WHAT IF SCENARIOS' (which is just pure conjecture - make believe witch hunt)
you obviously give our republican director of the FBI SLIM TO NO-JOB SKILLS for doing his job and forget that had HRC been proven GUILTY of mishandling all if those emails (coming in & and going out) then all if those top STATE officials that had sent her a reply - request - follow up response from yet another NON-PROTECTED SERVER with the topic/subject line missing the :CLASSIFIED  notation ....then every one of those State officials would be subject to the same legal due process as HRC 
How wide a net - how many millions - how many years do you want to burn up with the wild goose chase?   
You've got Nada but just a deep seated resentment against this woman ...how ODD!   Did she run over you favorite dog? Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 1858517897

If she were a pleb she'd have been fired on teh spot no investigation at all
Spend nop more time coverign her ass and juist fire her now

And using the woman card is another cop out!
see IF she had anything going for her you could point it out, ONE good thing about her
But You cant, all you can is play cop out cards.
It is all the LW is doing, it is disgusting, I am Ashamed of other LW for stooping so low.

If the LW cant be honest about the dismal quality of their Canadate they may as well just be RW unthinking Hillshepherds.  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes
You're losing the grasp on your wet rope ...I've never said any thing about 'the woman card' ....you sound desperate and as weak as your reasoning! Just say  G'Day   and let it go ...your barking up the wrong gum tree and you've no case to change my vote Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 1069003512

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Quill, according to Clinton she has akways supported gay equality yet she clearly hasn't. She claims to have opposed other things forever yet we have scrpits of her saying otherwise. It may have been less politically savvy to support gay marriage 8 years ago but not by much and seriously, a country needs a leader, not someone chasing popular support.
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Eilzel wrote:Quill, according to Clinton she has akways supported gay equality yet she clearly hasn't. She claims to have opposed other things forever yet we have scrpits of her saying otherwise. It may have been less politically savvy to support gay marriage 8 years ago but not by much and seriously, a country needs a leader, not someone chasing popular support.
Without knowing the specifics of what you are referring to as her"quotes" on any given topic; it's the standard operating procedure {in our political system} to use as many misquoted/ out right lying/ deceptive/methods possible by any and all forms if media & printed right leaning biased informative sources, in order to defame a popular opponent - the more well known the more the hateful diatribe and the more vile the rhetoric.  POTUS Obama is the prime example of how long - how vile how heinous the T-Bag Ilk stooped and then went right into bellyflop mode to eviscerate the man and his family.
You think that they'd treat HRC any better Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 2787774761 not hardly ...and changing ones mind ie-
Her vote on the 2 aggressive actions into Iraq & Afghanistan ...and her stating that she would NOT DO that again - seemed justified, as with all the other Senators that have declared the same sentiment; few enjoyed the 'war mongers deception plan to get America into 2 wars' !  

She's not homophobic - she's not anti-GLBT, and if you've read that somewhere I'd like to see it.

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Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President CPwcb8wUsAAbJPG
100's of million in donations staight out of her husbands Presidency


“…the fundamental bedrock principle that [marriage] exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults.”

And 4 eva still nothing good posted about her
Nothing that even remotely qualifes her as leader of the free world.

Trump is shit, Hilliary is just as shit.
the LW in the USA disgust me with their hillshepherd behaviour and compelete lack of will to get a decent leader.

Both sides just believe the the Bullshit of their own highly partisian media, Vote for her by all means But Dont feel any smarter than the Moron that votes for Trump. You are being MORE obviously played by the corrupt.

she already says as much nonsense as Trump.

rank and File? BULLSHIT! she was not even a politican at all until she forgave Bill for monica then got posted unopposed to the SAFE senate seat of new york, she is the literal OPPOSTIE of working through the ranks.

She is not standing up to Scrutiny at all!!! except to completely rusted on party hacks, no one esle is looking at her struggle with the truth and saying she is handling it well. they are saying liar, so obviously a liar.

Like this LIE
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She's done jack shit, Zero Progress and as Les points out Clearly a bandwagon jumper when she thinks it is politically savy to do, a more fake and phony person you could hardly make up.
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4eva- I know she isn't anti-LGBT, but if she had been President we might have waited longer for equal marriage- because she wouldn't take the risk. A country doesn't need a President who won't do the right thing in case it upsets a few voters. A country needs a President who will just do the right thing and be remembered for it. As it is she is just the better or two evils.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:36 am

Eilzel wrote:Quill, according to Clinton she has akways supported gay equality yet she clearly hasn't. She claims to have opposed other things forever yet we have scrpits of her saying otherwise. It may have been less politically savvy to support gay marriage 8 years ago but not by much and seriously, a country needs a leader, not someone chasing popular support.

I understand her situation to have been evolving on gay marriage.  That certainly was the case with Obama, and he openly said so.  I wonder if she lied, or just changed her mind.  

It happened to a lot of people around that time.  Remember Prop. 8 passed, yet now everyone is all for gay marriage.

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Post by Eilzel Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:34 am

Obama was honest in his changing view. Clinton continued (continues?) to insist she was always for it. She wants to be flawless when in reality is as flawed and discredited as many politicians. She cannot admit she was once on the wrong side of public opinion, so she lies.
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eddie wrote:She isn't a good woman. I've said it from the beginning. Her husband was a slimey shit and she is slimey by association and the fact she lay down with him after he spattered Lewinksy's dress....tells me she lied to him too. And herself.

Weak eds.  I wouldn't buy that if I were on the jury.

Verdict: Hilary wins.  I don't see any culpability on her part on the Lewinsky matter.  Hilary may change her mind, but she never lies.

Well until you said "but she never lies" I was about to say 'yes Quill, you're right but that's my opinion'
But.
She does lie.
She lied about the emails.
She lied about her husbands affair.
She's lying to herself about her husbands affair. (The one that we know about as there are obviously and supposedly many others)
No one should ever trust a liar and when she's president she will be caught lying again.

You may think my argument is weak but you cannot lay claim that's she's not a liar Quill. Come on.
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Eilzel wrote:Obama was honest in his changing view. Clinton continued (continues?) to insist she was always for it. She wants to be flawless when in reality is as flawed and discredited as many politicians. She cannot admit she was once on the wrong side of public opinion, so she lies.

Yes. I've said it before Les, she will only be voted in because she's a less stinkier pile of crap than Trump.
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That's the sad state pf US politics right now, Eds, not that our lot are all that great (although infinitely better I hasten to add lol).
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veya_victaous wrote:Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President CPwcb8wUsAAbJPG
100's of million in donations staight out of her husbands Presidency


“…the fundamental bedrock principle that [marriage] exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults.”   Yipper, HRC and a whole lot of out spoken political leaders were still SOS {stuck on stupid} about the equality for ALL AMERICANS to marry; that's how deeply ingrained their faith was ...you seem to think those people with deeply seated faith could just 'LIE/FAKE Their Response' to make you happy? Often the method takes some evolution and this like accepting GLBT has been an evolution - but you don't live here, you just pull some MeMe's off of your twitter/FB page without doing any FACT CHECKING and amuse yourself with ..."see this image tells me what I NEED TO KNOW", when you've done ZERO LEG WORK FOR PROVING ANY OF IT. 
You behave like a sock puppet and want to get pissed at me because I don't fall all over your foolishness - and that's all you have - stupid images that repeat more stupid false info and you fall for it. 
CONGRATS Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 2581891615


And 4 eva still nothing good posted about her  you've obviously missed a couple of my posts, but that's OK, your bizarre rants are quite amusing - full of BS, but quite amusing! Laughing

Nothing that even remotely qualifes her as leader of the free world.

Trump is shit, Hilliary is just as shit.
the LW in the USA disgust me with their hillshepherd behaviour and compelete lack of will to get a decent leader.


Both sides just believe the the Bullshit of their own highly partisian media, Vote for her by all means But Dont feel any smarter than the Moron that votes for Trump. You are being MORE obviously played by the corrupt.

she already says as much nonsense as Trump.

rank and File? BULLSHIT! she was not even a politican at all until she forgave Bill for monica then got posted unopposed to the SAFE senate seat of new york, she is the literal OPPOSTIE of working through the ranks.

She is not standing up to Scrutiny at all!!! except to completely rusted on party hacks, no one esle is looking at her struggle with the truth and saying she is handling it well. they are saying liar, so obviously a liar.

Like this LIE

She's done jack shit, Zero Progress and as Les points out Clearly a bandwagon jumper when she thinks it is politically savy to do, a more fake and phony person you could hardly make up.

This should aleviate all of your stress and issues about 'MY' choice that 'I' have to make about 'MY FUTURE POTUS'

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And since 'I' do my research and 'I' keep abreast of the rightful person to chose for my POTUS and there isn't such a thing as a PERFECT CANDIDATE, my vote has always gone for the best qualified - best of the people put forth and the best options for my country ...will I vote for HRC = Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President Check-mark-smiley-emoticon-emoji 
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Post by eddie Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:48 pm

Hang on a minute! No I don't have a vote but why am I not allowed an opinion? Why is Les not allowed an opinion, or Veya?
I'm not ridiculing your vote, that's your personal choice.

But a couple of weeks ago did you see the abuse the UK took and the Brits on here, for the BREXIT result?

If Hilary or Trumo get in, how would you feel if Veya and myself and lots of Brits, started saying how shit you Americans are, how bad your country's going to have it.....blah blah etc

I wouldn't say those things because they're not helpful and not nice.

You need to remember that we are allowed an opnion even if we can't vote. Don't take it personally, we are not ridiculing you, we are speaking of the two terrible candidates you have running for presidency.
Not our fault.
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Eilzel wrote:4eva- I know she isn't anti-LGBT, but if she had been President we might have waited longer for equal marriage- because she wouldn't take the risk. A country doesn't need a President who won't do the right thing in case it upsets a few voters. A country needs a President who will just do the right thing and be remembered for it. As it is she is just the better or two evils.


....until she gets in power and (sneakily) does some of the things Trump proposes.
I will put money on here having the exact same values, deep down, as Donald.
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Post by Guest Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:01 pm

eddie wrote:Hang on a minute! No I don't have a vote but why am I not allowed an opinion? Why is Les not allowed an opinion, or Veya?
I'm not ridiculing your vote, that's your personal choice.

But a couple of weeks ago did you see the abuse the UK took and the Brits on here, for the BREXIT result?

If Hilary or Trumo get in, how would you feel if Veya and myself and lots of Brits, started saying how shit you Americans are, how bad your country's going to have it.....blah blah etc

I wouldn't say those things because they're not helpful and not nice.

You need to remember that we are allowed an opnion even if we can't vote. Don't take it personally, we are not ridiculing you, we are speaking of the two terrible candidates you have running for presidency.
Not our fault.
you got confused between the wording of OPINION and VOTE confused


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BTW - I got splattered quite sufficiently by LF/Tommykins/Raggy {even told me to get a job} and several others about MY OPINION on the Brexit vote; and it did have an impact on my financial bank account/retirement fund. 
So, yes ...Eddie preach to me about how this is a Opinion Community - Ben knew it - we know it -
we both got attacked for our POV and how that Brexit vote was impacting the US Twisted Evil
And the vile rhetoric aimed at how Quill/Ben and I chose to vote really isn't any of your concern, yet you all seem to think you need to keep preaching your opinion at us - REDUNDANTLY SO! 
It's all just more blather that you seem to have forgotten, quite quickly! Rolling Eyes

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Relax. I wasn't attacking you personally for your opnion, it's your vote and you must vote from the heart.

I am giving my opinion on your candidates, and, I notice, you don't seem to mind if people are having a dig at Trump....you don't mention anything about it not being our "vote" etc etc
And that's because you don't like him.


And btw, if you saw rags and Tommy et al, getting wound up about BREXIT, then you getting wound up now will help you understand their annoyance better I would presume?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:56 pm

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Weak eds.  I wouldn't buy that if I were on the jury.

Verdict: Hilary wins.  I don't see any culpability on her part on the Lewinsky matter.  Hilary may change her mind, but she never lies.

Well until you said "but she never lies" I was about to say 'yes Quill, you're right but that's my opinion'
But.
She does lie.
She lied about the emails.
She lied about her husbands affair.
She's lying to herself about her husbands affair. (The one that we know about as there are obviously and supposedly many others)
No one should ever trust a liar and when she's president she will be caught lying again.

You may think my argument is weak but you cannot lay claim that's she's not a liar Quill. Come on.

Never have I seen someone strive so for a case.  First, she did not lie about emails; she was right all along and the FBI Director confirmed it and vindicated her.  Second, her husband's affair was a private matter, and none of your business...stfu about it, you have no standing in the matter.

You see?  You have no substantiation for the claim she lied.  I'm going to call anyone out on the topic every time the claim is made that she lied.  I do want to get the bottom of this.

I'm absolutely sure that these accusers are knee-jerkers responding to the Repuglican propaganda machine.  Hilary has never done anything wrong about which she might lie.  RW'rs lie because their goals are adverse to the interests of the people...it's their perception of politics.  But LW'rs?  No. They are honest people working for the good of the people. They have no reason to lie.

If you want to believe Repuglican lies, then we'll resort you into the RW loonie bin.

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eddie wrote:Relax. I wasn't attacking you personally for your opnion, it's your vote and you must vote from the heart.

I am giving my opinion on your candidates, and, I notice, you don't seem to mind if people are having a dig at Trump....you don't mention anything about it not being our "vote" etc etc
And that's because you don't like him.

And btw, if you saw rags and Tommy et al, getting wound up about BREXIT, then you getting wound up now will help you understand their annoyance better I would presume?
Oh, I'm ...as I always am; no modification there! 
But when we {we Americans} were being told that 'it's none of our affair - mind our own business' ...and the words that our fellow members were using ...well they were anything but warm/fuzzy/polite and nice --- you just stepped back and stayed out of the fray!  Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary Clinton For President 202592697

So, while I live and breath politics - have a firm grasp upon our history and methods of voting and why it's important to do so regardless of how it may or may not be the 'popular' position to be taking - our collective attempts to discuss the Brexit position met with serious vile and angry rejoinders and I'm trying to KEEP TO THE FACTS and avoid that utter BS. 

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BTW - if you and only you few Brits think that 'Cheeto - Jesus' is a viable candidate then you've fallen for the hype & hysteria that has promoted him into the GOP lock step and that ---
WHEW, that is scary but people fall for meme's/gotcha cutey images instead of doing the research/reading and fact checking to stand upon for their POV.   Suspect

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Post by Ben Reilly Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:36 pm

eddie wrote:Hang on a minute! No I don't have a vote but why am I not allowed an opinion? Why is Les not allowed an opinion, or Veya?
I'm not ridiculing your vote, that's your personal choice.

But a couple of weeks ago did you see the abuse the UK took and the Brits on here, for the BREXIT result?

If Hilary or Trumo get in, how would you feel if Veya and myself and lots of Brits, started saying how shit you Americans are, how bad your country's going to have it.....blah blah etc

I was on forums during the Bush years, so I'm quite used to that sort of thing Smile
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Post by eddie Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:19 pm

But the difference is Ben, I don't do it.


And 4ever? I think you'll find I did, and do, always say, "Stop it people. There's good and bad in every country"

I've never bashed someone's country. Why would I?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:57 pm

Eilzel wrote:Obama was honest in his changing view. Clinton continued (continues?) to insist she was always for it. She wants to be flawless when in reality is as flawed and discredited as many politicians. She cannot admit she was once on the wrong side of public opinion, so she lies.

Do you have anything to substantiate the difference, Les? You must have some dates/declarations that will allow you to say she "was once on the wrong side of public opinion, so she lies."

And I don't mean some innuendo or minor gaff...the inevitable comparison is to cheeto-jesus, so give me something of that magnitude. Has she said that gays should be banned from the country or that they should not be permitted to travel? Has she said that as POWs they are all losers, or that are all on the rag. Those are the kinds of lies and insults that qualify...don't give me her husband cheats, so therefore she should be condemned for not being a good woman and wife!

I know...that's eddie's line. But what has she said that shows you that she once hated gays?


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Post by eddie Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:38 pm

I think Veya summed it up well, above:

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