U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/us/pastors-praise-anti-gay-massacre-in-orlando-prompting-outrage.html?_r=0

How christian of them.

As sick and pathetic as that OP piece is ...the social media pages have been rife with that mind-set; the fake faithful have used such heinous events to push their special agenda's for 'GOD's Hammer of Justice' to wipe out some lesser quality humans! 

Since those 'Christ Like Wanna-Be's' set themselves up for judge/jury for any human that can't quite reach their pedestal for what a Right Minded Christian Is Supposed To Be! 

Sick in the extreme!

Not that any of you know what a Christian is supposed to feel like of course.

Raggamuffin wrote:Not that any of you know what a Christian is supposed to feel like of course.

I know exactly what a Christian is supposed to feel like, my eldest daughter is a Vicar with a wonderful congregation that do everything they can to help everyone, refugees included.   I might not agree with her about there being a God, but funnily enough, apart from that our ideas of goodness etc are very similar.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Not that any of you know what a Christian is supposed to feel like of course.

I know exactly what a Christian is supposed to feel like, my eldest daughter is a Vicar with a wonderful congregation that do everything they can to help everyone, refugees included.   I might not agree with her about there being a God, but funnily enough, apart from that our ideas of goodness etc are very similar.

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then.

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.

LET'S NOT FORGET that these so-called "Independent  Christian (pseudo-Baptist) Pastors" across the US southern states Bible Belt, aren't really genuine Christians in their actions or beliefs, but are more akin to the likes of ISIS, the Westbro (fake)Baptists, the Khmer Rouge, or the German Nazi Party...

We only need to look at some of the things that various pseudo  "Christian Pastors" do and preach :
That the Earth is only 6,500 years old;
That dinosaurs were still around 6,000 years ago;
That abortion is sinful under all circumstances;
That all homosexuals/adulterers/blasphemers/people who look at you funny/smell strange/eat different food should be put to death,  preferably by stoning;
That the only way to deal with Islam is to launch a new Crusade against them, and wipe them from the face of the Earth;
That every American has the God-given right to carry a gun -- indeed some even go so far as to claim it's responsibilty !
Many of them also preach that Obama shouldn't be POTUS, that he isn't even American-born, and that he's actually a secret Muslim plant;
And that all national governments are "illegal" and immoral, and an abomination before the Lord..

In effect, most of those extremist "pastors" are in truth a misbegotten parody of religious leaders from mainline churches -- they reportedly also have higher rates of paedophilia, child abuse, infidelity and general corruption than any other religious groups in the USA  --  at the same time as preaching their holier-than-thou attitudes.

I dont see a) why ben is bothered
and
b) why any one else is so hot under the collar....

dont you know they have freedom of speech over there...far superior to ours...

sassy wrote:Sick in the extreme!

And here's the real shame of all those wounded and dead young people; often the young female college girls will 'pal' up with their gay besties to go club hopping ...safety in numbers - club hopping in a bar setting where they can dance/drink/socialize among their girl friends and not get abused - verbally hit on numerous times by over bearing/beefy drunk Neanderthal men that can't/won't take a 'NO THANK YOU' for a polite answer. 

Yes, indeed - those clubs like 'PULSE' are the safest clubs for young college age girls to go and just have a good time without being pawed over like a hunk of meat and just be a young college girl out with her besties having a good time ...until some cretin with a AK15 decides to take that place as his SOFT TARGET.

But those lesser thinking/low bar IQ'd bible thumpers won't accept that --- "every body in there were the Satan's Child and needed to be wiped off this earth" and they preach that as if they're message is straight from God's own mouth!

Simple points to make
Nobody can say who is a Chistian or not, when we are going off something nobody can prove, as its based on faith.
Second its absolutely fine to question a Christian on thre set of the beleifs they follow, but this is a Christian preacher, full stop
If a Christian has said this, then it should be condemned, no arguments, no buts, no claims to bashing Christians, as that merely deflects and can even be construed as defending his views.
It again highlights the problem with a doctrine and its literal belief, where you always find issues with religions.

Ben Reilly wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/us/pastors-praise-anti-gay-massacre-in-orlando-prompting-outrage.html?_r=0

little better than the Muslim terrorists is he.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:



I know exactly what a Christian is supposed to feel like, my eldest daughter is a Vicar with a wonderful congregation that do everything they can to help everyone, refugees included.   I might not agree with her about there being a God, but funnily enough, apart from that our ideas of goodness etc are very similar.

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then.

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.

yes it is, but that bloke is an utter areshole.
I dont believe in sky fairies of any variety by the way, I do respect others choice to do so.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Not that any of you know what a Christian is supposed to feel like of course.

I know exactly what a Christian is supposed to feel like, my eldest daughter is a Vicar with a wonderful congregation that do everything they can to help everyone, refugees included.   I might not agree with her about there being a God, but funnily enough, apart from that our ideas of goodness etc are very similar.

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then.

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.

Seems to happen in a lot of religions, doesn't it?

Didn't this fucktard get arrested for this?

eddie wrote:Didn't this fucktard get arrested for this?

None of them have, we don't have the hate speech laws y'all have.

Ben Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Didn't this fucktard get arrested for this?

None of them have, we don't have the hate speech laws y'all have.

Y'all need 'em.

eddie wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Didn't this fucktard get arrested for this?

None of them have, we don't have the hate speech laws y'all have.

Y'all need 'em.

I think not, we've seen what they've done for y'all, and y'all can keep 'em.

then stop whingeing when something like this happens
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???

Vic you didn't speak proper Texan
He ain't gonna understand you mate

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then.

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.

Seems to happen in a lot of religions, doesn't it?

Starting to catch on at last, with how so many issues stem from religion, espcially when its believed literally?

Finally, the penny drops

Didge wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then.

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.

Seems to happen in a lot of religions, doesn't it?

Starting to catch on at last, with how so many issues stem from religion, espcially when its believed literally?

Finally, the penny drops

I think you've misunderstood what Ben meant. He was replying to this:

"This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open."

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

Starting to catch on at last, with how so many issues stem from religion, espcially when its believed literally?

Finally, the penny drops

I think you've misunderstood what Ben meant. He was replying to this:

"This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open."

What a shame, there was me thinking he had gained some sense at last

Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???

Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:

Starting to catch on at last, with how so many issues stem from religion, espcially when its believed literally?

Finally, the penny drops

I think you've misunderstood what Ben meant. He was replying to this:

"This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open."

What a shame, there was me thinking he had gained some sense at last

Sense? Like the sense you show in thinking that religious belief is just going to evaporate and we won't have to deal with religious people for the rest of our lives?

Ben Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:

What a shame, there was me thinking he had gained some sense at last

Sense? Like the sense you show in thinking that religious belief is just going to evaporate and we won't have to deal with religious people for the rest of our lives?

So now you further invent things I have not said.
Never claimed it would evaporate, its just your policy to bury your head in the sand dealing with it, is not the answer.
What is the answer is to be openly critical of bad things in religion, like where they teach to kill homosexuals.
So do you think? That not saying something critical of text hating and calling for the death of homosexuals, in case you may hurt the sensitivities of those that follow that religion. Is going to help equality and progress that religion?
Or further ensure that religion remains teaching inequality, hate and backwardness?

Didge wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:

What a shame, there was me thinking he had gained some sense at last

Sense? Like the sense you show in thinking that religious belief is just going to evaporate and we won't have to deal with religious people for the rest of our lives?

So now you further invent things I have not said.
Never claimed it would evaporate, its just your policy to bury your head in the sand dealing with it, is not the answer.
What is the answer is to be openly critical of bad things in religion, like where they teach to kill homosexuals.
So do you think? That not saying something critical of text hating and calling for the death of homosexuals, in case you may hurt the sensitivities of those that follow that religion. Is going to help equality and progress that religion?
Or further ensure that religion remains teaching inequality, hate and backwardness?

I think that if you draw false conclusions ("all members of religion X believe in committing horrific act Y in the name of god Z"), you're going to piss off members of religion X, rile up members of religions T through W against members of religion X and foment anger, hate and violence.

Remember, if religion is man-made, and it contains a hateful idea, it logically follows that the hateful idea was once a purely secular idea that some person or people codified into a religious value.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:

So now you further invent things I have not said.
Never claimed it would evaporate, its just your policy to bury your head in the sand dealing with it, is not the answer.
What is the answer is to be openly critical of bad things in religion, like where they teach to kill homosexuals.
So do you think? That not saying something critical of text hating and calling for the death of homosexuals, in case you may hurt the sensitivities of those that follow that religion. Is going to help equality and progress that religion?
Or further ensure that religion remains teaching inequality, hate and backwardness?

I think that if you draw false conclusions ("all members of religion X believe in committing horrific act Y in the name of god Z"), you're going to piss off members of religion X, rile up members of religions T through W against members of religion X and foment anger, hate and violence.

Remember, if religion is man-made, and it contains a hateful idea, it logically follows that the hateful idea was once a purely secular idea that some person or people codified into a religious value.

1) Deflection alert
We are not speaking of people who do not back or believe such a text, but of those who do back such a text, that its part of the law of that land, where people are persecuted. So your view to go off where some do not believe is blatantly ignoring the subbstancial that do.

2) A religion is not seen as manmade by its followers, so to them, its about their very deity telling them to treat people with prejudice.

3) Try answering my point on what is best

There's nothing wrong with religion, it only turns bad when someone abuses it or twists it out of its original shape.

eddie wrote:There's nothing wrong with religion, it only turns bad when someone abuses it or twists it out of its original shape.

Not sure how you twist the following?

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Didge, let's take Islam as an example and posit that the majority of Muslims believe homosexuality is a sin.

Let's also posit that the majority of Muslims would not have someone put to death for being a homosexual.

How is your statement "their religion teaches them to kill gays" going to sound to them? Don't you think they'd see you as an ignorant, arrogant outsider who thinks he's better than them? Would you take advice from someone like that?

Ben Reilly wrote:Didge, let's take Islam as an example and posit that the majority of Muslims believe homosexuality is a sin.

Let's also posit that the majority of Muslims would not have someone put to death for being a homosexual.

How is your statement "their religion teaches them to kill gays" going to sound to them? Don't you think they'd see you as an ignorant, arrogant outsider who thinks he's better than them? Would you take advice from someone like that?

I am sure they would.
Lets take this back a 100 years when the same view was held by the majority of Christians in the West.

What helped change that view on Christians

Was it?

a) Being scared of being critical, due to the fact it may offend some Christians and thus do nothing?

b) Understanding you need to speak out to champion equality and show that all hate and prejudice is wrong?

Take your time

Your method would not have progressed Christianity

Mine did

Ben Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???

Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.

Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

In fact apply the same points to racism a 100 years ago Ben as well

Each time, my method has helped progress society

I am sure Martin Luther King, would not have been rememebred for being scared to offend some racists along the way. So maybe its time you understood, that we are talking about beliefs here and racism is just such a belief.
Its about time you learnt your history that it has been about speaking out on wrongs, that have helped advance societies. Helping us bring is that much closer to equality today.

Lord Foul wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???

Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.

Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

Les castigamos socialmente; castigamos a su reputacion. Es mas eficaz, y no fomenta el resentimiento como teniendo una ley.

I replied in Spanish because of edd's comment about you not speaking Texan

Didge wrote:In fact apply the same points to racism a 100 years ago Ben as well

Each time, my method has helped progress society

I am sure Martin Luther King, would not have been rememebred for being scared to offend some racists along the way. So maybe its time you understood, that we are talking about beliefs here and racism is just such a belief.
Its about time you learnt your history that it has been about speaking out on wrongs, that have helped advance societies. Helping us bring is that much closer to equality today.

I'm not worried about offending ISIS -- I'm careful not to offend Muslims who are not ISIS. It's really simple!

Ben Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???

Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.

Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

Les castigamos socialmente; castigamos a su reputacion. Es mas eficaz, y no fomenta el resentimiento como teniendo una ley.

I replied in Spanish because of edd's comment about you not speaking Texan

where was that ...I musta missed it??

Ben Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:
Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

Les castigamos socialmente; castigamos a su reputacion. Es mas eficaz, y no fomenta el resentimiento como teniendo una ley.

I replied in Spanish because of edd's comment about you not speaking Texan

So not a native language of Texas, but just another colonial one then?

Why do they not teach you in schools many of the native American languages that are native to Texas?

Ben Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:In fact apply the same points to racism a 100 years ago Ben as well

Each time, my method has helped progress society

I am sure Martin Luther King, would not have been rememebred for being scared to offend some racists along the way. So maybe its time you understood, that we are talking about beliefs here and racism is just such a belief.
Its about time you learnt your history that it has been about speaking out on wrongs, that have helped advance societies. Helping us bring is that much closer to equality today.

I'm not worried about offending ISIS -- I'm careful not to offend Muslims who are not ISIS. It's really simple!

Then you care more about and worry more about offending someone, than caring to defend those who this effects.
That is a flawed philosophy, none of which the great champions who have helped advance equality would approve of.
If you are concenred that speaking out against a bad belief might offend someone, then you are simply discarding those who suffer because of this belief taught.
So its not simply. Martin Luther King would be turning in his grave if he thought that his views should not be said incase he may offend some racist. The only difference here is you give credability to one belief, when neither have any scientific evidence to support each belief

Didge wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:In fact apply the same points to racism a 100 years ago Ben as well

Each time, my method has helped progress society

I am sure Martin Luther King, would not have been rememebred for being scared to offend some racists along the way. So maybe its time you understood, that we are talking about beliefs here and racism is just such a belief.
Its about time you learnt your history that it has been about speaking out on wrongs, that have helped advance societies. Helping us bring is that much closer to equality today.

I'm not worried about offending ISIS -- I'm careful not to offend Muslims who are not ISIS. It's really simple!

Then you care more about and worry more about offending someone, than caring to defend those who this effects.
That is a flawed philosophy, none of which the great champions who have helped advance equality would approve of.
If you are concenred that speaking out against a bad belief might offend someone, then you are simply discarding those who suffer because of this belief taught.
So its not simply. Martin Luther King would be turning in his grave if he thought that his views should not be said incase he may offend some racist. The only difference here is you give credability to one belief, when neither have any scientific evidence to support each belief

You just have a really one-track way of looking at it, without really thinking through what happens when you say a huge group of people are responsible for the actions of a few.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:

Then you care more about and worry more about offending someone, than caring to defend those who this effects.
That is a flawed philosophy, none of which the great champions who have helped advance equality would approve of.
If you are concenred that speaking out against a bad belief might offend someone, then you are simply discarding those who suffer because of this belief taught.
So its not simply. Martin Luther King would be turning in his grave if he thought that his views should not be said incase he may offend some racist. The only difference here is you give credability to one belief, when neither have any scientific evidence to support each belief

You just have a really one-track way of looking at it, without really thinking through what happens when you say a huge group of people are responsible for the actions of a few.

Its not one track, its what has progressed the west, you simply have not studied history or are choosing to ignore it.
What you are saying is you do not mind offending say Republicans, who hold a Conservative belief, but if religious, you shy away, because they take the religion too seriously. Which then proves there is a massive problem then with religion then does it not?
As you should not have to even concern yourself about being critical of something unless people get too easily offended by this.
Then the problem is religion itself and you are allowing then that problem to flourish
Again what you are doing is placing the protection of a faith over the required need nto champion the eqaulity of groups.
Speaking out on religions does not effect the equality of a believer.

Lord Foul wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???

Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.

Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

He's chatting you up and you just agreed to wear Cowboys boots and nothing else

Didge wrote:In fact apply the same points to racism a 100 years ago Ben as well

Each time, my method has helped progress society

I am sure Martin Luther King, would not have been rememebred for being scared to offend some racists along the way. So maybe its time you understood, that we are talking about beliefs here and racism is just such a belief.
Its about time you learnt your history that it has been about speaking out on wrongs, that have helped advance societies. Helping us bring is that much closer to equality today.

I'm sure he would never have tried to demonise another group, in fact much like Ben he carefully targeted JUST the bad whites, he spoke in defence of those Whites that were 'moderate' and supported the change.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

And the marvelous new militarism which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers have evidenced by their presence here today that they have come to realize that their destiny is part of our destiny.

eddie wrote:Vic you didn't speak proper Texan
He ain't gonna understand you mate

Here you go, Vic.

BTW, thanks, Veya. That quote illustrates my point perfectly.

So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

Didge wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Les castigamos socialmente; castigamos a su reputacion. Es mas eficaz, y no fomenta el resentimiento como teniendo una ley.

I replied in Spanish because of edd's comment about you not speaking Texan

So not a native language of Texas, but just another colonial one then?

Why do they not teach you in schools many of the native American languages that are native to Texas?

YEH, yeh  Didgerii...

And what about those times that the English gov'ts of the day made it illegal for the Welsh and Scottish native tongues to be taught, or even spoken, in schools over there..

Wasn't all that long ago either, was it ?   Only a few years back..
The same English guvm'nts that kept local native populations out of the census figures for the colonies, no doubt...    

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Didge wrote:

So not a native language of Texas, but just another colonial one then?

Why do they not teach you in schools many of the native American languages that are native to Texas?

YEH, yeh  Didgerii...

And what about those times that the English gov'ts of the day made it illegal for the Welsh and Scottish native tongues to be taught, or even spoken, in schools over there..

Wasn't all that long ago either, was it ?   Only a few years back..
The same English guvm'nts that kept local native populations out of the census figures for the colonies, no doubt...    

Another glowing sign of ignorance to add to some of the other poor posts.
This is the point, that it was once wrong and how societies have progressed.

On top of that we have the usual still defence of a belief, because people cannot differentiate between a people and a belief.
Martin Luther king never shied away from being critical of racism, as racism is a belief and he did so knowing this would no doubt offend somen racists. Its the belief being rightly attacked for why its wrong, not the concept of a white race or the people themselves being attacked. Hence the absurdity of a previous reply. All I am seeing is that the so called champions of of the oppressed, are nothing of the sort. Their action is the same with Syria.

Inaction.

They will not champion the cause of groups that suffer inequality. In fear that thia may offend some religious people. Then that is basically saying get stuffed to those oppressed. Where again its because of the religion and a luteral belief, that the problem stems from an over sensitivity. This is due because some of these religions are geared up to being incapable of admitting such a view is wrong. As to do that, means questioning their whole belief system and their deity Hence literal belief, is so dangereous. But as I say, this is surrendering to inequality, rendering the oppressed as secondary. To the protection of a belief, just because it may offend someone. Its the most backward regressive stance that is why we are seeing instead of progression of late, but instead people bringing us backwards, by defending poor beliefs.

Again its because people spoke out against slavery, which was endorsed by Christianity, that helped changed perceptions.
The same with womens rights etc. So why is it the left are continually in conflict, that they fear wrongly being labbled a bigot for speaking critical of beliefs that effect the well being of others and trheir equality?

Its simple, they treat certain groups as inferior and give those groups that much more leway, and thus allow and continuation of the suffering of groups, as they can live with that, but it would be unspeakable to speak out against a religious belief. Even when they daily speak out against political beliefs.

The contradiction is so bad, is embarressing to even attempt to reason with them.

Wolfie, stop living in the past, it's water under the bridge.

Every time a thread gets started on here we have to go back one million years ago.

eddie wrote:Every time a thread gets started on here we have to go back one million years ago.

So we can add maths as wll to the many subjects you placed least of all effort in as well then?

Which again, you are another that simply has not learn from the past

History is a guide to how humans have acted

Try learning from this