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Post by Guest Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:41 pm

Well, it's been predicted and some seismologist have been saying 'it's past due' ...if & when this happens, I'll hope & pray that it's out in the rural area that the pressures finally snaps and avoids the heavily populated regions!
'Seismic strain': Land around the San Andreas fault is rising and sinking.
Rong-Gong Lin II
For the first time, scientists have produced a computer image showing huge sections of California rising and sinking around the San Andreas fault. 
The vertical movement is the result of seismic strain that will be ultimately released in a large earthquake.

The San Andreas fault is California’s longest earthquake fault, and one of the state’s most dangerous. Scientists have long expected that parts of California are rising — and other parts sinking — around the fault in a way that is ongoing, very subtle and extremely slow.
Such vertical movement makes a lot of sense. California sits on the border of two gigantic tectonic plates — the Pacific and North American — that are constantly grinding past each other. 
Once there is a major event, all of that energy gets released.— Sam Howell
But actually observing how California’s landscape is rising and falling from seismic strain has been an elusive goal, until now.
In a study published in the journal Nature Geoscience on Monday, scientists found that much of the Los Angeles Basin, Orange County, San Diego County and the Bakersfield area are sinking 2 to 3 millimeters a year — a couple of penny-widths annually. By contrast, Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties, and a large portion of San Bernardino County, are rising at the same rate. 
Take a look at the image below. The areas in red are rising, while the areas in blue are sinking.
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In this image of Southern California, red areas are rising at a rate of a couple of penny-widths a year, while blue areas are sinking. The area closest to the San Andreas fault — seen in white — is not rising or sinking, and will remain locked until a large earthquake hits.
Sam Howell / University of Hawaii
In this image of Southern California, red areas are rising at a rate of a couple of penny-widths a year, while blue areas are sinking. The area closest to the San Andreas fault — seen in white — is not rising or sinking, and will remain locked until a large earthquake hits.
In this image of Southern California, red areas are rising at a rate of a couple of penny-widths a year, while blue areas are sinking. The area closest to the San Andreas fault — seen in white — is not rising or sinking, and will remain locked until a large earthquake hits. (Sam Howell / University of Hawaii)
The areas closest to the San Andreas fault, however, remain locked in place. When the next big earthquake strikes, the different parts of Southern California will lurch back to the same level.

“Once there is a major event, all of that energy gets released,” said Sam Howell, a doctoral candidate in geophysics at the University of Hawaii at Manoa and the lead author of the report.

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San Andreas movement called significant
Using new techniques, scientists have confirmed there is significant movement along parts of the San Andreas fault.

The region of the San Andreas fault between Monterey County and Imperial County hasn’t moved in a significant way in more than 150 years, and other parts of the fault have been accumulating stress for more than 300 years.

The last big earthquake on the southern San Andreas fault, a magnitude 7.9 temblor, ruptured from Monterey County through Los Angeles County in 1857. Further south, the section of the San Andreas between San Bernardino County and Imperial County hasn’t ruptured in a major way since about 1690.
It’s pretty much impossible to say when the next one will happen.— Sam Howell
Howell said the time span for a large rupture on the southern San Andreas is, on average, once every 150 years or so. But the actual interval can vary over the centuries, and that’s why it’s hard to say exactly when the next big one will hit.
Howell said a better understanding of how California is being warped as a result of this accumulating seismic strain is helping scientists “understand more about how the fault is behaving and the effect it’s going to have in the surrounding region.”
The study, however, isn’t expected to help scientists suddenly predict the precise time and location of the next devastating quake. “It’s pretty much impossible to say when the next one will happen,” Howell said.
GPS data provided the raw information of how the earth is moving subtly from seismic pressure. 
Howell said it has been easy for scientists to see how California was moving in north, south, east and west directions, but it was much harder to show how the state was moving vertically due to seismic forces.

The big problem was that there are other factors that can influence whether land is rising and falling, such as changing groundwater levels. Some parts of California are sinking as groundwater is pumped out for irrigation.
The breakthrough accomplished by Howell and his team involved writing a computer code that filtered out how the land was rising or falling from non-seismic factors. 
“We wrote a computer code that could try and find the broad, large-scale signal,” Howell said. “It’s trying to find the smooth trend.”
Besides Howell, the other coauthors of the study were Bridget Smith-Konter and Neil Frazer, also at the University of Hawaii; Xiaopeng Tong of the University of Washington; and David Sandwell, of the Scripps Institute of Oceanography at UC San Diego.
The study received funding from the National Science Foundation.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-andreas-fault-20160622-snap-story.html


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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:04 pm

Are you saying that land can rise and fall in level due to seismic activity...!?


I said this in the "Rising sea levels mean five Solomon Islands now underwater" thread... which I was attacked and ridiculed for...


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Post by Guest Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:10 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Are you saying that land can rise and fall in level due to seismic activity...!?


I said this in the "Rising sea levels mean five Solomon Islands now underwater" thread... which I was attacked and ridiculed for...
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You don't know the difference between 'WHAT' I would tell you or 'WHAT THIS ARTICLE' {written by educated seismologists} is attempting to explain to you?  Rolling Eyes

Well, alrighty then ...the moon is really made of cheese and if you leave now and take a life time supply of crackers with you - you'll be just fine living up there all by yourself! 

ENJOY, and wave often cheers

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:03 am



Is the article (you posted) saying that land can rise and fall in actual height/level relative to sea level, due to seismic activity...!?



Or not...!?


Simple question...!?


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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:16 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Is the article (you posted) saying that land can rise and fall in actual height/level relative to sea level, due to seismic activity...!?
Or not...!?
Simple question...!?

Well, that's a huge improvement from the other post ...but before I waste any more effort on something you've ...well you just can't be bothered to do {normally} - have you tried to READ THE ARTICLE?

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:36 am



I am more than capable of reading and understanding what is said in the article...


I am asking YOU what YOU think the article is saying...!?


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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:04 am

Tommy Monk wrote:I am more than capable of reading and understanding what is said in the article...

I am asking YOU what YOU think the article is saying...!?
'LAME' ...you are making a really lame attempt to avoid reading the article.
Read it ...stop avoiding the pleasure of enhancing your brain cells and when you have finished - then and only then, if you have specific questions regarding some specific issues we'll talk!  Rolling Eyes

I'm past spoon feeding you excerpts for your enjoyment when I'm expected to keep repeating the information because you can't retain it! MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  2396444674

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:14 am


I have already read it and understood it... I'm asking you what you think it is saying...?



Do you think the article (you posted) saying that land can rise and fall in actual height/level relative to sea level, due to seismic activity...!?



Or not...!?


Simple question...!?

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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:50 am

Sure, you read it MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  3350646086  ...show me where it states >
saying that land can rise and fall in actual height/level relative to sea level, due to seismic activity...!?
See, after all of your lies and misguided BS about smoke/global warmings'/tree rings/I never explained nor showed you any image about 'fire retardant' drops ...I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU ASK!

And now you've made a real ignorant attempt to twist this article into something that IT IS NOT and has nothing to do with 'SEA LEVELS' ...so prove it too me!
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You can't even locate the San Andreas fault line ...Good Grief!

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:47 am

Your op title says...


"Re: MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault"


And your posted article says this in the first part...


"...scientists have produced a computer image showing huge sections of California rising and sinking around the San Andreas fault.
The vertical movement is the result of seismic strain..."




lol!



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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:05 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Your op title says...
"Re: MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault"
And your posted article says this in the first part...
"...scientists have produced a computer image showing huge sections of California rising and sinking around the San Andreas fault.
The vertical movement is the result of seismic strain..."
lol!
Annnnnd how exactly did you tie/connect your crib notes {since you've now proven you LIED} and your lame attempt to skim the article and link it to "SEA LEVELS" ... MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  2581891615

SWEET JESUS ...you do enjoy MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  2686688521 trenches DEEP. MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  371740092

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Post by 'Wolfie Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:27 am

scratch

WHAT IS WRONG with Tommy Monk, that he is clearly :

1.  Deliberately trying to derail a thread that he apparently has no other genuine interest in;

2. Attempting to link this report with totally unconnected situations in the South Pacific -- and where on that previous thread, he had been equally guilty of derailing and his usual obfuscations;

3.  Keeps on proving more and more just how stupid, dense and uncomprehending a grub he is..

NOW I shall await the usual suspects (a.k.a. 'The Newsfix Twittering Hens' Knitting Circle and InAFlop Fan Club..') to attack me and tell us how and why Tommy is so much smarter than any of his detractors on here, and then claim that Tommy's (well hidden) IQ is actually greater than that of veya, Quill and Victor combined..      jocolor
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:31 am


Are you really this stupid...!?


Seriously...!!!???


lol!



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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:38 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:scratch

WHAT IS WRONG with Tommy Monk, that he is clearly :

1.  Deliberately trying to derail a thread that he apparently has no other genuine interest in;

2. Attempting to link this report with totally unconnected situations in the South Pacific -- and where on that previous thread, he had been equally guilty of derailing and his usual obfuscations;

3.  Keeps on proving more and more just how stupid, dense and uncomprehending a grub he is..

NOW I shall await the usual suspects (a.k.a. 'The Newsfix Twittering Hens' Knitting Circle and InAFlop Fan Club..') to attack me and tell us how and why Tommy is so much smarter than any of his detractors on here, and then claim that Tommy's (well hidden) IQ is actually greater than that of veya, Quill and Victor combined..      jocolor


The obvious connection is the vertical rise and fall of land in height/altitude due to seismic activity...


Land height/elevation is measured the same as mountain height and the same as aeroplane height... altitude... based on distance above/below SEA LEVEL!!!


lol!


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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:00 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:scratch

WHAT IS WRONG with Tommy Monk, that he is clearly :

1.  Deliberately trying to derail a thread that he apparently has no other genuine interest in;

2. Attempting to link this report with totally unconnected situations in the South Pacific -- and where on that previous thread, he had been equally guilty of derailing and his usual obfuscations;

3.  Keeps on proving more and more just how stupid, dense and uncomprehending a grub he is..

NOW I shall await the usual suspects (a.k.a. 'The Newsfix Twittering Hens' Knitting Circle and InAFlop Fan Club..') to attack me and tell us how and why Tommy is so much smarter than any of his detractors on here, and then claim that Tommy's (well hidden) IQ is actually greater than that of veya, Quill and Victor combined..      jocolor
Well ...there has been some serious stroking of his total stupidity regarding those photo - chopped images - now his conspiracy hysteria has gone off the reciter scale and any photo that he sees has magnified into an instant 'faked image' because he KNOWS IT TO BE Twisted Evil

He's become fortified with a false since of superior proding from the PACK and they leave him flapping in his own flatulant breezes!   He's quite the hysterical mess MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  2581891615

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:14 am

4EVER2 wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Your op title says...
"Re: MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault"
And your posted article says this in the first part...
"...scientists have produced a computer image showing huge sections of California rising and sinking around the San Andreas fault.
The vertical movement is the result of seismic strain..."
lol!
Annnnnd how exactly did you tie/connect your crib notes {since you've now proven you LIED} and your lame attempt to skim the article and link it to "SEA LEVELS" ... MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  2581891615  

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Land height is measured by the vertical distance it is above sea level...



Your article is saying seismic activity is causing rise and falls in land height in California... I said the same was happening in the solomon islands area...



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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:26 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Are you saying that land can rise and fall in level due to seismic activity...!?
I said this in the "Rising sea levels mean five Solomon Islands now underwater" thread... which I was attacked and ridiculed for...
Your short term memory problems seem to be gapping deeper and have escalated at a warp speed or you just really like to   MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  3350646086    
Either way ...you've beat this non-exsisent question MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  2023022481  and you still can't get to point MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  1094176690 GIVE IT A REST ...

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:35 am



Land height is measured by the vertical distance it is above sea level...



Your article is saying seismic activity is causing rise and falls in land height in California... I said the same was happening in the solomon islands area...




Do you agree with the claim in article you posted...!?


Or not...?



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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:54 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Land height is measured by the vertical distance it is above sea level....
Your article is saying seismic activity is causing rise and falls in land height in California... I said the same was happening in the solomon islands area...
Do you agree with the claim in article you posted...!?
Or not...?
Hmmmm ...well, how best answer this for our 'SPECIAL LITTLE DUDE'  Rolling Eyes
Sudden changes in earth topography can be caused by a couple of unigue events:
a) human intervention ...like bombs - earth moving equipment - etc.
b) meteoroids dropping out of sky
c) drastic weather events; hurricanes/ tornadoes/floods
d) Earthquakes ...YES, INDEED - what this article is about ...not global warming - not islands going under due to glacial melting
THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT THE BIG EARTHQUAKE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN UNDER THE SAN ANDERAS FAULT LINE THAT IS NOT OUT IN THE OCEAN! MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  1132368643


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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:58 am

You really are a thicky... aren't you!?


lol!
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:45 pm

I wonder if 4everatwit has learned anything about land height measured in relation to sea level yet...!?


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Post by nicko Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:59 pm

I thought there was more to worry about with the great Caldera under Yellow Stone Park!!
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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:51 pm

nicko wrote:I thought there was more to worry about with the great Caldera under Yellow Stone Park!!

Oh, Nicko ...you been watching those Discovery Channel Disaster shows?
There is a consistent earth quake tremor activity going on in these fault lines running under California at any given time 24/7 ...the strength and length of time is just different according to the specifics ...

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The San Andreas has the most tractable active shifting plates - that
come up at the surface from many different directions {see the first maps in the OP'ed}

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Post by Tommy Monk Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:02 am

Tommy Monk wrote:I wonder if 4everatwit has learned anything about land height measured in relation to sea level yet...!?


lol!



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Bumped for handy Andy...
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Post by Victorismyhero Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:18 pm

there is a serious flaw in your argument tommy

whilst you are quite right that seismic activity can raise or indeed lower land levels relative to sea level,
you have NOT shown any evidence that this is the case in the solomon islands


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There is a thread on solomon islands...
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:19 pm

Bumped for handy Andy again...
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Post by Guest Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:50 pm

Since 'Tommykins seems fixiated on bumping up any topic he deems relevant to a moot point he's NEEVER GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL at ...perhaps getting him to become educated to the facts and terms that he's still oblivious with, such as > > >
Sea level
Sea level is generally used to refer to mean sea level (MSL), an average level for the surface of one or more of Earth's oceans from which heights such as elevations may be measured.
Now I tried numerous times to get him to read the article - since he wasn't able to grasp the colored charts/maps and comprehend what a fault line was - how the plates shove up against each other forcing one to raise and one to drop or buckle ... he assumes that this explained all that is happening to the Solomon Island's MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  1363015401   
He's now 'BUMPED' any and all topics that he deems reflective of his POV to try to force another member to respond to his MOOT POINT!  
TOMMYKINS can't have a POV when he's got ZERO GRASP OF THE FACTS --- he can have fairy dust & make believe, that's served him well all his life!


Anyway, that is barely comparative, because as that article stated: erosion and rising SEA LEVELS due to glacial thaw was what those scientific studies have been tracking over on the Solomon Island topic ...
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Post by Andy Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:41 pm

Forget it 4ever.  Tommy only reads the Beano and Mein Kampf.
Sometimes he reads the words in his colouring book. Which has no blacks or browns.
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Handy Andy wrote:Forget it 4ever.  Tommy only reads the Beano and Mein Kampf.
Sometimes he reads the words in his colouring book. Which has no blacks or browns.

Odd as it is ...I'd completely forgotten about this being another of his convoluted topics he'd totally twisted into a vile/bile of BS ...until he started **BUMPING** so many so the same topic genre, then I got curious as to WTF was his issue this time!
Seems, Tommykins has spent a goodly amount of time trolling my every topics; so either he's craving the attention or he's just doing so to goad me with his asinine/redundant/petulant little boy demanding answers that have already been provided but he's proven unable to grasp!  MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  1858517897   Yet, his flock of admirers parachute in to attack me for losing patience with him ...and they've not participated {due to their inability to think} but will criticize my frustration with the Village Idiot!   MOVEMENT - RISING & SINKING on the San Andreas Fault  1363015401  

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:07 pm

Try reading the thread and evidence presented hand shandy...
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Post by Andy Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:24 pm

I try to disassociate  myself from the weird rantings of  far right Nazi loving, conspiracy theory, climate change denying nut jobs.
I have no more interest in reading your guff than I have in reading Trump's latest hate speech or Fascist manifesto.
Do not tell me what to read.
I read educated proven scientific journals only, not selected ,biased pieces that suit your warped agenda
Hitler tried that 80 years ago , didn't  work out too well for him.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:22 pm



I'm not pulling my evidence out of my arse... I am quoting highly credible sources... including nasa!!!


And I have shown others 'evidence' to be inaccurate at best, and at worst to be outright lies!!!



If you think you are so well informed... answer these 3 simple questions... (I have posted the answers on one of the threads already)...


1. What is the estimated global temp rise in Celsius over the last 100 years?

2. What is the temp rise over last 20 years?

3. How does this correlate with solar activity over the last 100 years and last 20 years respectively?


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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:58 pm




Still waiting...?
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Post by 'Wolfie Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:49 am

Question

HOW MANY Climate Change/Environmental threads has the Village Idiot wantonly invaded and vandalised now  ???

Four..  Five ?

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Post by Guest Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:25 am

I guess Tommy needs a lession in the reasons for movement of tectonic plates, aka the San Andreas Fault Line

http://study.com/academy/lesson/causes-of-tectonic-plate-movement.html

The force that causes most of the plate movement is thermal convection, where heat from the Earth's interior causes currents of hot rising magma and cooler sinking magma to flow, moving the plates of the crust along with them.




The Solomon Islands is BECAUSE SEA LEVELS ARE RISING

http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/climate-change-rising-sea-levels-mean-five-solomon-islands-now-underwater/news-story/f005f80f696f2abe13c15dd9334bbd2e


Core samples, tide gauge readings, and, most recently, satellite measurements tell us that over the past century, the Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) has risen by 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters). However, the annual rate of rise over the past 20 years has been 0.13 inches (3.2 millimeters) a year, roughly twice the average speed of the preceding 80 years.

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/



In other words Tommy, Mount Everest is not at high above the mean sea level now as it was years ago.

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Post by nicko Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:49 am

I used to be 6' 2", i'm now 6', my seismic plates are all over the place!
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Post by Guest Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:50 am

Nah, that's just old age Nicko lol

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Post by nicko Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:53 am

Other things are shrinking as well, it's the plates I TELL YOU.
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Post by Guest Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:15 am

Better buy a new dinner service Nicko lol

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:53 pm

For sassy...


http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/10/media-blame-global-warming-for-sinking-pacific-islands-theyre-totally-wrong/
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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:55 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I'm not pulling my evidence out of my arse... I am quoting highly credible sources... including nasa!!!


And I have shown others 'evidence' to be inaccurate at best, and at worst to be outright lies!!!



If you think you are so well informed... answer these 3 simple questions... (I have posted the answers on one of the threads already)...


1. What is the estimated global temp rise in Celsius over the last 100 years?

2. What is the temp rise over last 20 years?

3. How does this correlate with solar activity over the last 100 years and last 20 years respectively?


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Still waiting...
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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:57 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Question

HOW MANY Climate Change/Environmental threads has the Village Idiot wantonly invaded and vandalised now  ???

Four..  Five ?

pirat


And how is putting my opinion and supporting evidence classed as 'invading and vandalising' exactly...!?


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Post by Andy Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:49 pm

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:57 pm



Any answers to my questions yet handy!?


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Post by Andy Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:43 pm

No need to Tom.
Climate change denyers such as yourself are  heading the same  way as the dinosaurs and the dodo..
You are amongst the last of a dying breed being confronted by ever compelling scientific evidence.
Oh,  and the Earth  isn't flat !!
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Post by Guest Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:48 pm

Handy Andy wrote:No need to Tom.
Climate change denyers such as yourself are  heading the same  way as the dinosaurs and the dodo..
You are amongst the last of a dying breed being confronted by ever compelling scientific evidence.
Oh,  and the Earth  isn't flat !!


I don't think Tommy even realises that the rise in temperature that we are all bothered about is not AIR temperature but SEA temperature.

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:58 pm

So handy Andy can't answer a couple of simple questions... and sassy tries to switch the argument after being found out...


lol!



Answer the questions and try to debate the points raised and the evidence presented... if you can...!?






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Post by Andy Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:03 am

http://news.sky.com/story/swipe-iconic-glacier-is-rapidly-melting-10523983


Or as Tom suspects,  it's a lefty ruse or the Muzzies .


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