Another Benefit cheat

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10563610/Benefit-cheat-so-disabled-she-could-not-dress-or-bathe-herself-caught-on-camera-at-fitness-class.html

Oh shut up you silly old fool. Nobody, absolutely nobody has ever said there are not benefit cheats, we have said they are a very small proportion. But of course, twisting the facts is a way of life for you.

Sassy wrote:Oh shut up you silly old fool.   Nobody, absolutely nobody has ever said there are not benefit cheats, we have said they are a very small proportion.   But of course, twisting the facts is a way of life for you.

The list is endless sassy. Lets be clear we pointed out that the DWP has to spend many weeks catching and prosecuting a single cheat. It follows therefore that many go uncaught or at least unprosecuted.


I also told you that many are caught but are warned to sign off because of the above. These are not recorded as cheats so don't appear in the statistics.

Finally you can only know what you know. There are many clever enough to scam for decades. Some have 40,50 60 scams going simultaneously.

Because you brain dead kneejerk lefties refuse to tackle this abuse it festers and worsens and you leave really vunerable people at risk but what do you care. Anyone who is gladly leaving decades of debt for their grandkids can hardly be classed as a decent upright citizen.

I don't know how you have the cheek to call us heartless. Do you whisper in your grandkids ear guess what grandmas leaving you................."A pile of debt luvvy so I can enjoy life without having to feel the pinch"


Don't lecture me comrade I walk the walk you talk the talk.

Lets stick to the facts shall we, instead of going down the road of believing every bit of propaganda put out and all good little Tories do.


Myth-busting: the real figures on benefit fraud

CAS is against fraud. It’s wrong. It impacts on our overall economy. Unfortunately it occurs in all economies and in all parts of the economy. Benefit fraud is a problem, however it seems to get more attention than other fraud, so we thought we’d set out the position within the UK’s finances.

The UK government estimates that total fraud across the whole of the economy amounts to £73 billion a year. UK government figures for 2012 estimate benefits overpaid due to fraud is £1.2 billion and tax credit fraud is £380 million. So just under £1.6 billion in total; less than 1% of the overall benefits and tax credits expenditure and less than benefits underpaid and overpaid due to error.

It's a lot of money, and it’s never right, but unfortunately fraud happens in many walks of life. Sometimes it helps to compare the figures with other fraud or error. More than this amount was overpaid in benefits due to claimant and official error. That was £2.2 billion in 2011/12 and is recovered by the UK Government. Equally claimant and official error led to £1.3 billion benefits being underpaid.

So to get some perspective, benefit fraud represents 2% of the estimated total annual fraud in the UK. Public sector fraud, which includes benefit fraud, is £20.3 billion a year, so within this category it accounts for just under 8%. The majority of this £20 billion is tax fraud which costs the economy £14 billion annually, or 69%. So we can see that both in absolute and percentage terms tax fraud is a much bigger issue than benefit fraud. In fact, out of all the categories of fraud calculated by the UK Government, benefit fraud is the second lowest. Only identity fraud which costs individuals £1.4billion a year comes below it.
Date:
30 Sep 2013

Nah drinky...you waddle....scrooge McDuck
the departments own figures show benefit cheats as in very small fraction....the rest are just figments of your foetid imagination, looking for something to whinge about....

try looking at the cost/£100 tax figures i gave for benefits...but of course you dare not....
if all benefits other than pensions were stopped ...do you recon you would be any better off.....yeah right...somewhere between 3 and 10 quid ....A YEAR....pffft

Sassy wrote:Lets stick to the facts shall we, instead of going down the road of believing every bit of propaganda put out and all good little Tories do.


Myth-busting: the real figures on benefit fraud

CAS is against fraud. It’s wrong. It impacts on our overall economy. Unfortunately it occurs in all economies and in all parts of the economy. Benefit fraud is a problem, however it seems to get more attention than other fraud, so we thought we’d set out the position within the UK’s finances.

The UK government estimates that total fraud across the whole of the economy amounts to £73 billion a year. UK government figures for 2012 estimate benefits overpaid due to fraud is £1.2 billion and tax credit fraud is £380 million. So just under £1.6 billion in total; less than 1% of the overall benefits and tax credits expenditure and less than benefits underpaid and overpaid due to error.

It's a lot of money, and it’s never right, but unfortunately fraud happens in many walks of life. Sometimes it helps to compare the figures with other fraud or error. More than this amount was overpaid in benefits due to claimant and official error. That was £2.2 billion in 2011/12 and is recovered by the UK Government. Equally claimant and official error led to £1.3 billion benefits being underpaid.

So to get some perspective, benefit fraud represents 2% of the estimated total annual fraud in the UK. Public sector fraud, which includes benefit fraud, is £20.3 billion a year, so within this category it accounts for just under 8%. The majority of this £20 billion is tax fraud which costs the economy £14 billion annually, or 69%. So we can see that both in absolute and percentage terms tax fraud is a much bigger issue than benefit fraud. In fact, out of all the categories of fraud calculated by the UK Government, benefit fraud is the second lowest. Only identity fraud which costs individuals £1.4billion a year comes below it.
Date:
30 Sep 2013

But of course...tax fraud is ok....or even if it isnt, we mustnt shout about it, we might upset our lords and masters.....grovel grovel boot lick...
and TAX fraud is NINE????times the amount ffs.

Colonel Blimp will choke on his port in a minute! lol

grumpy old git wrote:

Sassy wrote:Lets stick to the facts shall we, instead of going down the road of believing every bit of propaganda put out and all good little Tories do.


Myth-busting: the real figures on benefit fraud

CAS is against fraud. It’s wrong. It impacts on our overall economy. Unfortunately it occurs in all economies and in all parts of the economy. Benefit fraud is a problem, however it seems to get more attention than other fraud, so we thought we’d set out the position within the UK’s finances.

The UK government estimates that total fraud across the whole of the economy amounts to £73 billion a year. UK government figures for 2012 estimate benefits overpaid due to fraud is £1.2 billion and tax credit fraud is £380 million. So just under £1.6 billion in total; less than 1% of the overall benefits and tax credits expenditure and less than benefits underpaid and overpaid due to error.

It's a lot of money, and it’s never right, but unfortunately fraud happens in many walks of life. Sometimes it helps to compare the figures with other fraud or error. More than this amount was overpaid in benefits due to claimant and official error. That was £2.2 billion in 2011/12 and is recovered by the UK Government. Equally claimant and official error led to £1.3 billion benefits being underpaid.

So to get some perspective, benefit fraud represents 2% of the estimated total annual fraud in the UK. Public sector fraud, which includes benefit fraud, is £20.3 billion a year, so within this category it accounts for just under 8%. The majority of this £20 billion is tax fraud which costs the economy £14 billion annually, or 69%. So we can see that both in absolute and percentage terms tax fraud is a much bigger issue than benefit fraud. In fact, out of all the categories of fraud calculated by the UK Government, benefit fraud is the second lowest. Only identity fraud which costs individuals £1.4billion a year comes below it.
Date:
30 Sep 2013

But of course...tax fraud is ok....or even if it isnt, we mustnt shout about it, we might upset our lords and masters.....grovel grovel boot lick...

Oh I'm sure Drinky does a lot of grovelling to get his weekly stipend from her who must be obeyed lol

Sassy wrote:Colonel Blimp will choke on his port in a minute! lol

yep, and someone else will dissappear up his own self righteousness

Sassy wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:

But of course...tax fraud is ok....or even if it isnt, we mustnt shout about it, we might upset our lords and masters.....grovel grovel boot lick...

Oh I'm sure Drinky does a lot of grovelling to get his weekly stipend from her who must be obeyed lol

does he get ANY ? end.....let alone stipend???

grumpy old git wrote:

Sassy wrote:Colonel Blimp will choke on his port in a minute! lol

yep, and someone else will dissappear up his own self righteousness

Soon I hope lol

Can I just point out that our statistical wizard who keeps producing figures to show that the bill for working age benefits is insignificant is being disingenious here.


Benefits fraud at 1.2 billion and 1% of the total benefits bill is 1% of the bill including pensions not 1% of working aged benefits.

sphinx wrote:Can I just point out that our statistical wizard who keeps producing figures to show that the bill for working age benefits is insignificant is being disingenious here.


Benefits fraud at 1.2 billion and 1% of the total benefits bill is 1% of the bill including pensions not 1% of working aged benefits.

Can I point out that that is a non sequitur.....irrelevant

its still only 1.2 billion, as opposed to 14 billion tax fraud....AND the fact that the costs of benefits is STLL only 18p/£100 tax paid. is still valid

so no disingenuity involved.....

typical...statistic are ONLY fair game when the right like em...even when those statistics are warped.

I have my own money. You guys are the ones who take take take.


Keep trying Comrades.


I'm liking it here.

You can't go running to teacher trying to get us banned.

Tax fraud is not alright neither have have ever said it was once. I have and still do agree with avopidance to a point particularly when a Socialist govt like Hollande raises taxes to 75% or in our case Wilson govt to 98%.

Then like anyone else subject to that state sponsored theft to pay for benefit cheats I would absent myself from the country which is called avoidance.

I might add you self pontificating left wing drones would do likewise if you were being taxed at 98% on your lottery win interest.

You only bay about tax avoidance because you have either been too idle to get on and earn or you haven't made the big time and resent those who do. If you had it I am certain you would f--k off.

:D 

Well Done, Drinky, old chap (with help from the Murdoch press corps..) !

IN a country of more than 66 million souls, The Telegraph has managed to find ONE more "benefit cheat" for Drinky to crow over..

Oh, Happy Days ! Drinky must be over the moon and beside himself with the joy and excitement of it all..  
Let's just hope he has a good supply of his incontinence pads on hand !!!    

Clarkson (alias Drinky) wrote:
I have my own money. You guys are the ones who take take take.

Keep trying Comrades.

 

P.S. IT'S actually Drinky's wife who has the money... Drinky just likes to pretend otherwise.. Makes him feel a little better !

P.S. IT'S actually Drinky's wife who has the money... Drinky just likes to pretend otherwise.. Makes him feel a little better !

Well that gives me much more respect for Drinky.... I wish I had a rich wife  ::happ::  Equal Rights... It what us men should b e aiming for now   

Beekeeper wrote::D 

Well Done, Drinky, old chap (with help from the Murdoch press corps..) !

IN a country of more than 66 million souls, The Telegraph has managed to find ONE more "benefit cheat" for Drinky to crow over..

Oh, Happy Days ! Drinky must be over the moon and beside himself with the joy and excitement of it all..  
Let's just hope he has a good supply of his incontinence pads on hand !!!    

Clarkson (alias Drinky) wrote:
I have my own money. You guys are the ones who take take take.

Keep trying Comrades.

 

P.S. IT'S actually Drinky's wife who has the money... Drinky just likes to pretend otherwise.. Makes him feel a little better !

Yes...I've been posting on the same forums as him, off and on, and he's changed that particular part of his life quite a bit over the years...It was always his wife that was earning the money because she is more qualified than him, and he is a house husband.

There isn't anything wrong with being a house husband....But it tends to get to him a bit, dents his fragile male RW ego i would suppose.   

People need to wake up and smell the coffee, the rich do the tax evasion and the poor in comparison do the disability scams, many people recognise the scale of the tax evasion but turn a blind eye to the truth of the disability scams, there are no end of people working the scams and have been for years, if you look around most of you in the UK wil know someone doing it and it gives the real disabled a bad name, there's no excuse for rich tax evaders.

Vintage wrote:People need to wake up and smell the coffee, the rich do the tax evasion and the poor in comparison do the disability scams, many people recognise the scale of the tax evasion but turn a blind eye to the truth of the disability scams, there are no end of people working the scams and have been for years, if you look around most of you in the UK wil know someone doing it and it gives the real disabled a bad name, there's no excuse for rich tax evaders.

The testing has been so rigid for years now with regards to disability issues, that i really don't think that there is much of that going on, the DWP will want medical consultant/GP reports etc.

...You are probably thinking about insurance claims?

Oh, for fuck's sake. I've said this ad nauseam, but some people will never get the message. But here goes anyway.

When ancient people found themselves being stalked by a lion, they didn't run. OK? They could never hope to outrun a lion, they'd be eaten.

They didn't toss the oldest or youngest or sickest member to the lion, either, or just push someone down and let them become the victim, because they possessed empathy -- that wonderful trait that inspired them to band together, pick up rocks, and throw them at the lion until the lion ran away.

Human beings don't survive on their own, whether they're big and strong and rich, or small and weak and poor.

This me-first or me-only attitude is not only an insult to human nature itself, it's a threat to the fabric of human civilization.

If you want to be a part of a community, you have to help and to accept help. That's what being a person means.

They didn't toss the oldest or youngest or sickest member to the lion, either, or just push someone down and let them become the victim, because they possessed empathy -- that wonderful trait that inspired them to band together, pick up rocks, and throw them at the lion until the lion ran away.

we all know the right wingers probably knocked over grandma before they noticed everyone else was picking up rocks  :<:i}: :<:i}: :<:i}: 

Catman wrote:

Vintage wrote:People need to wake up and smell the coffee, the rich do the tax evasion and the poor in comparison do the disability scams, many people recognise the scale of the tax evasion but turn a blind eye to the truth of the disability scams, there are no end of people working the scams and have been for years, if you look around most of you in the UK wil know someone doing it and it gives the real disabled a bad name, there's no excuse for rich tax evaders.

The testing has been so rigid for years now with regards to disability issues, that i really don't think that there is much of that going on, the DWP will want medical consultant/GP reports etc.

It may be rigid, but people get past it, I know at least six people 'swinging the lead' one tried three times - was rejected twice but was third time lucky, the others have been doing it for more years than I care to remember, what I do care to remember is that however small the percentage is to tax evasion it's still working peoples money that pays these shirkers to have a damn good life, many have a new car every three years and have a nice 'van' in a nearby coastal resort, I don't know many working people that can afford that and more importantly, it takes resources from the genuinely disabled many of whom have a very hard time getting what they need.

Vintage wrote:

Catman wrote:

The testing has been so rigid for years now with regards to disability issues, that i really don't think that there is much of that going on, the DWP will want medical consultant/GP reports etc.

It may be rigid, but people get past it, I know at least six people 'swinging the lead' one tried three times - was rejected twice but was third time lucky, the others have been doing it for more years than I care to remember, what I do care to remember is that however small the percentage is to tax evasion it's still working peoples money that pays these shirkers to have a damn good life, many have a new car every three years and have a nice 'van' in a nearby coastal resort, I don't know many working people that can afford that and more importantly, it takes resources from the genuinely disabled many of whom have a very hard time getting what they need.

People don't get past it anymore, especially when they are dealing with ATOS.....Unless you are expecting GP's and consultants to be lying on a patients behalf of course, which they wouldn't do because their careers are far more important to them.

You are on about insurance claims, that is where people are 'swinging the lead' as you say....Car crash insurance claims, mostly associated with the middle classes etc.

Ok Catman - keep your head firmly in the sand over this issue.

Catman wrote:

Vintage wrote:People need to wake up and smell the coffee, the rich do the tax evasion and the poor in comparison do the disability scams, many people recognise the scale of the tax evasion but turn a blind eye to the truth of the disability scams, there are no end of people working the scams and have been for years, if you look around most of you in the UK wil know someone doing it and it gives the real disabled a bad name, there's no excuse for rich tax evaders.

The testing has been so rigid for years now with regards to disability issues, that i really don't think that there is much of that going on, the DWP will want medical consultant/GP reports etc.

Actually phil the tougher tests make it easier to defraud and harder to be genuine. Someone setting out to defraud a system learns how that system works in the first place, genuine people expecting the system to work are just honest. All details like the handbooks for decision makers and instructions for HCP doing the WCA are available in the public domain - your fraudster will go and read them so they know what the decision maker is looking for and what the HCP is going to assume where the genuine will just be honest.

Prime example would be walking - the honest person will put I can only walk this far in pain because I have arthritis - here are is my doctors report proving I have arthritis thinking that is all that is needed. The fraudster will know from the handbook that the HCP is going to ask if they came on public transport, know how far the nearest bus stop is, and assume because they came on the bus they walked from bus stop to WCA in one go with no problems - they will tell the HCP that although they came on the bus they had to stop and sit down at this point and this point and were in severe pain - and will have the bus ticket proving the time of the bus they used.

This is not to say that all people who know those things are fraudsters or that every decision made by the decision makers is wrong.

Clarkson wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10563610/Benefit-cheat-so-disabled-she-could-not-dress-or-bathe-herself-caught-on-camera-at-fitness-class.html

Yes drinky, we know there are small percentage of benefit cheats, just as there are many rich pensioners who propped up the Tories ,who hide money under their bed and plead poverty.

Those born I to money don't have a clue how to govern this country and that includes the entire Tory cabinet.

Catman wrote:
There isn't anything wrong with being a house husband....But it tends to get to him a bit, dents his fragile male RW ego i would suppose. ( 

  

I wouldn't find it too difficult being a "house husband" for a while, either, if the missus was making a lot more income...

THE central problem with a vacuous working-class Tory like Drinky, though ~ is that he likes to preach the principles of entrepreneurship, business principles and investment strategies on the one hand, but sadly enough, by his own previous admissions he doesn't have any of that in his own background, to fall back on..     

SO NOW we see him trying to constantly reinvent and re-market himself ~ with his tiresome references to 'his money, his smart investments, the values inherent in his' own ultra-conservative dogma.