Father busted for forcing 14-year-old daughter to marry the rapist who impregnated her

Lord Foul wrote:Its what "religion" does to you Stormee

Stormie wrote:IF there needs to be a religion at all I suggest Christianity to be the only one...

Lord Foul wrote:yeah? but which "flavour" of christianity

its likely this guy was one of the less "reasonable ones"

I beleive idaho is LDS territory  

Original Quill wrote:

Stormie wrote:IF there needs to be a religion at all I suggest Christianity to be the only one...

Lord Foul wrote:yeah? but which "flavour" of christianity

its likely this guy was one of the less "reasonable ones"

I beleive idaho is LDS territory  

In fact, the LDS are not Christian, stormie.  The Book of Mormon denies the trinity.  It poses god and Christ as two separate, corporeal beings.  If there's no trinity, there is no redemption.  If there's no redemption, it's not Christianity

Like so much of the LDS, it's a look-alike religion.  So stormie, admit it, it's their whiteness, eh?

Paul Ettinger wrote:

Original Quill wrote:


In fact, the LDS are not Christian, stormie.  The Book of Mormon denies the trinity.  It poses god and Christ as two separate, corporeal beings.  If there's no trinity, there is no redemption.  If there's no redemption, it's not Christianity

Like so much of the LDS, it's a look-alike religion.  So stormie, admit it, it's their whiteness, eh?

Absurdm bullshit and based on a belief the trinity is thus true.
Where is your evidence on the Trinity?
There is none, is the views of men.
So are you going to tell me Nazoreans were not Christians?
Aryan Christians also?
Gnostic Christians?

There are 42,000 Christian denominations and some man on the internet does not get to decide what the real Christianity is when its all based on works, later decided upon centuries after Jesus lived, in other words faith

Book of Mormon wrote:For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it. And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel;1 [emphasis added]

Book of Mormon wrote:1 Ne. 22:4 many are already lost from knowledge of those at Jerusalem; 2 Ne. 29:12 the Lord will speak to Jews, Nephites, other tribes, and they shall write; 29:13 Jews, Nephites, and lost tribes shall have each others’ writings; 3 Ne. 15:15 Father has not commanded Christ to tell Jews about other tribes whom Father led away; 15:20 Father separated other tribes from Jews because of iniquity; 17:4 Christ will show himself to lost tribes; 21:26 gospel to be preached to lost tribes; 28:29 three Nephites shall minister unto all scattered tribes; Ether 13:11 they who were scattered and gathered from north countries are partakers of fulfilling of covenant.2
Book of Mormon, 17.2.4.2.1  

Original Quill wrote:

Paul Ettinger wrote:

Absurdm bullshit and based on a belief the trinity is thus true.
Where is your evidence on the Trinity?
There is none, is the views of men.
So are you going to tell me Nazoreans were not Christians?
Aryan Christians also?
Gnostic Christians?

There are 42,000 Christian denominations and some man on the internet does not get to decide what the real Christianity is when its all based on works, later decided upon centuries after Jesus lived, in other words faith

Mormons grow up with the belief that Native Americans are somehow related to a lost tribe from Israel. That tribe, they are told, came across the ocean about 600 B.C. to America, led by an otherwise unknown Jewish prophet named "Lehi."

To a Mormon this story is history, but to historians it is simply a fiction, concocted by Joseph Smith within his Book of Mormon. The complete lack of any objective archaeological or historical proof to support such a story is explained away by Mormon apologists to the faithful. Mormons appear to believe that faith, makes fiction fact.  (Lol…is Donald Trump a Mormon?) But archaeologists, linguists and genetic experts, outside the subculture of Mormonism, have known for some time that Native Americans actually originated from Asia and not Israel.

Science and faith have increasingly collided as the Mormon religion continues on from its early beginnings. Confronted by historical evidence that repeatedly disproves their holy book, Mormons have long hoped for some artifact or research that would support their faith. Some felt that day might have indeed come through research at The Mormon Church-owned Brigham Young University in Provo, where genetic tests were being done during 2000.

The Book of Mormon contains passages which are said to apply to the “lost tribes” of Israel:

Book of Mormon wrote:For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it. And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel;1 [emphasis added]

Book of Mormon wrote:1 Ne. 22:4 many are already lost from knowledge of those at Jerusalem; 2 Ne. 29:12 the Lord will speak to Jews, Nephites, other tribes, and they shall write; 29:13 Jews, Nephites, and lost tribes shall have each others’ writings; 3 Ne. 15:15 Father has not commanded Christ to tell Jews about other tribes whom Father led away; 15:20 Father separated other tribes from Jews because of iniquity; 17:4 Christ will show himself to lost tribes; 21:26 gospel to be preached to lost tribes; 28:29 three Nephites shall minister unto all scattered tribes; Ether 13:11 they who were scattered and gathered from north countries are partakers of fulfilling of covenant.2
Book of Mormon, 17.2.4.2.1  

In the Mormonism represented by most of Mormon communities (including The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), "God" means Elohim (the Father), whereas "Godhead" means a council of three distinct gods; Elohim, Jehovah (the Son, or Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. The Father and Son have perfected, material bodies, while the Holy Spirit is a spirit and does not have a body. This conception differs from the traditional Christian Trinity; in Mormonism, the three persons are considered to be physically separate beings, or personages, but only united in will and purpose. As such, the term "Godhead" differs from how it is used in traditional Christianity. This description of God represents the orthodoxy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), established early in the 19th century. However, the Mormon concept of God has expanded since the faith's founding in the late 1820s. Joseph Smith said after his First Vision that God and Jesus both have physical bodies.

Being nontrinitarian, the teachings of the LDS Church differ from other Christian churches' theologies as established, for example, in the First Council of Constantinople. Mormon cosmology teaches the existence of other "gods" such as is exhibited in the concept of the Godhead being three, separate, distinct beings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Mormonism  

Paul Ettinger wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Mormons grow up with the belief that Native Americans are somehow related to a lost tribe from Israel. That tribe, they are told, came across the ocean about 600 B.C. to America, led by an otherwise unknown Jewish prophet named "Lehi."

To a Mormon this story is history, but to historians it is simply a fiction, concocted by Joseph Smith within his Book of Mormon. The complete lack of any objective archaeological or historical proof to support such a story is explained away by Mormon apologists to the faithful. Mormons appear to believe that faith, makes fiction fact.  (Lol…is Donald Trump a Mormon?) But archaeologists, linguists and genetic experts, outside the subculture of Mormonism, have known for some time that Native Americans actually originated from Asia and not Israel.

Science and faith have increasingly collided as the Mormon religion continues on from its early beginnings. Confronted by historical evidence that repeatedly disproves their holy book, Mormons have long hoped for some artifact or research that would support their faith. Some felt that day might have indeed come through research at The Mormon Church-owned Brigham Young University in Provo, where genetic tests were being done during 2000.

The Book of Mormon contains passages which are said to apply to the “lost tribes” of Israel:





In the Mormonism represented by most of Mormon communities (including The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), "God" means Elohim (the Father), whereas "Godhead" means a council of three distinct gods; Elohim, Jehovah (the Son, or Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. The Father and Son have perfected, material bodies, while the Holy Spirit is a spirit and does not have a body. This conception differs from the traditional Christian Trinity; in Mormonism, the three persons are considered to be physically separate beings, or personages, but only united in will and purpose. As such, the term "Godhead" differs from how it is used in traditional Christianity. This description of God represents the orthodoxy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), established early in the 19th century. However, the Mormon concept of God has expanded since the faith's founding in the late 1820s. Joseph Smith said after his First Vision that God and Jesus both have physical bodies.

Being nontrinitarian, the teachings of the LDS Church differ from other Christian churches' theologies as established, for example, in the First Council of Constantinople. Mormon cosmology teaches the existence of other "gods" such as is exhibited in the concept of the Godhead being three, separate, distinct beings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Mormonism  

All utterly and completely irrelevant
Again there are a Christian group, no matter what you claim
You stated that you have to believe in the Trinity to be classed as a Christian
That simply is bullshit.
What you are in effect saying is the trinity exists, without proving so
So again you are emphatically telling porkie pies

Original Quill wrote:

Paul Ettinger wrote:


All utterly and completely irrelevant
Again there are a Christian group, no matter what you claim
You stated that you have to believe in the Trinity to be classed as a Christian
That simply is bullshit.
What you are in effect saying is the trinity exists, without proving so
So again you are emphatically telling porkie pies

You are not familiar with Christian doctrine, are you?  Or do you have evidence as to your interpretation of the trinity?

We'll wait...

Paul Ettinger wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Paul Ettinger wrote:


All utterly and completely irrelevant
Again there are a Christian group, no matter what you claim
You stated that you have to believe in the Trinity to be classed as a Christian
That simply is bullshit.
What you are in effect saying is the trinity exists, without proving so
So again you are emphatically telling porkie pies

You are not familiar with Christian doctrine, are you?  Or do you have evidence as to your interpretation of the trinity?

We'll wait...

I am an expert on Christian doctrine

It was with the council's of Nicaea that Christianity was decided up and the works to be included in the Bible, starting from the first in 325 AD.
That is 3 centuries after Jesus is supposed to have lived.
You just have argued again poorly as if then this documents in the bible are then correct.
Where is your Non-Christian corroborating evidence to the claims made in the New Testament?
If a group claims to be Christian, then they are Christian.
What you can do is question their Christian beliefs, based on what they follow.
Arguing a non starter reason based on works that cannot be validated is just plain daft

Lord Foul wrote:

Paul Ettinger wrote:


I am an expert on Christian doctrine

It was with the council's of Nicaea that Christianity was decided up and the works to be included in the Bible, starting from the first in 325 AD.
That is 3 centuries after Jesus is supposed to have lived.
You just have argued again poorly as if then this documents in the bible are then correct.
Where is your Non-Christian corroborating evidence to the claims made in the New Testament?
If a group claims to be Christian, then they are Christian.
What you can do is question their Christian beliefs, based on what they follow.
Arguing a non starter reason based on works that cannot be validated is just plain daft

expert ...pronounced ex spurt

AAAAAND...an ex is a has been
and a spurt is a drip under pressure....

didge wrote:I am an expert on Christian doctrine

It was with the council's of Nicaea that Christianity was decided up and the works to be included in the Bible, starting from the first in 325 AD.
That is 3 centuries after Jesus is supposed to have lived.
You just have argued again poorly as if then this documents in the bible are then correct.

Holy Bible wrote:John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

John 10:30
I and the Father are one."

Holy Bible wrote:Matthew 3:16-17 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Holy Bible wrote:The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, with you all. Amen.

Holy Bible wrote:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him but he be dead, yet shall he live.

Strawn’s reasoning for what he did apparently stemmed from his reactionary beliefs about pregnancy and marriage.

“If you get them pregnant then you marry them,” he told Moeller.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Strawn’s reasoning for what he did apparently stemmed from his reactionary beliefs about pregnancy and marriage.

“If you get them pregnant then you marry them,” he told Moeller.

That's a pretty standard Christian belief, and I see nothing in the source to indicate he's a Mormon.

Holy Bible wrote:l Quill"

No, I have just argued that the trinity is in the Bible, not whether it is correct.

The Council of Nicaea only determined what went into the Bible.  It did not write it's passages.

Take John 10:28-30:

Holy Bible wrote:John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

John 10:30
I and the Father are one."

John is reporting on Christ's claim that he and the Father are one and the same.

Matthew emphasized the Spirit of God:

Holy Bible wrote:Matthew 3:16-17 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Thus was the Spirit in the Son.  And therefore in 2 Corinthians 13:14:

Holy Bible wrote:The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, with you all. Amen.

And thus John 3:16 tells us:

Holy Bible wrote:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him but he be dead, yet shall he live.

The theory of redemption.

The trinity is fixed in the Christian religion, yet it is denied in the Book of Mormon.

didge wrote:You are now using John, and Matthew, for examples as if they are accurate accounts of Jesus's life.

didge wrote:You are doing this off works, later decied upon by men to be claimed as authentic works on the life of Jesus. It is upon this that you are stating if and who can be Christians

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didge wrote:You are doing this off works, later decied upon by men to be claimed as authentic works on the life of Jesus. It is upon this that you are stating if and who can be Christians

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Nevertheless, it's the raison d'être of Christian belief.  The Book of Mormon denies it.  If the shoe don't fit, it ain't the right one.

Paul Ettinger wrote:Again Giggerish

The problem is you cannot get it, all christianity is based on faith based off works that cannot be authenticated. So for you to claim one myth does not qualify as being as part of a mythical belief, is just blatantly absurd.

Again there is nothing wrong challenging people based off what they believe and off what it conflicts with.
But you simply cannot say what identity people are.