More politically correct nonesense

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:20 pm

ANGRY parents have blasted Ofsted after it downgraded a top rural nursery for failing to teach three-year-olds about ETHNIC DIVERSITY.

The education watchdog even penalised Town and Country Kiddies Nursery, Lincs, for not having enough pictures of black and Asian people on the walls.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7110565/-Top-nursery-school-marked-down-by-Ofsted-for-not-having-enough-pictures-of-black-and-Asian-people-on-the-walls.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/04/27/nursery-penalised-for-not-being-ethnically-diverse-enough/

Another labour legacy...

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:24 pm

I didn't know there was a law which said you had to have pictures of black and Asian people on your walls.

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

ANGRY parents have blasted Ofsted after it downgraded a top rural nursery for failing to teach three-year-olds about ETHNIC DIVERSITY.

The education watchdog even penalised Town and Country Kiddies Nursery, Lincs, for not having enough pictures of black and Asian people on the walls.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7110565/-Top-nursery-school-marked-down-by-Ofsted-for-not-having-enough-pictures-of-black-and-Asian-people-on-the-walls.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/04/27/nursery-penalised-for-not-being-ethnically-diverse-enough/

Another labour legacy...

Madness. Who cares? Creating problems where there are none. These are kids, FFS.

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:59 pm

The insidious agenda must be followed or else...

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:39 pm

They've withdrawn the report for now. I hope they obtain some common sense from somewhere and stop being prats.

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:41 pm

It's part of education leglslation. In schools they also should have a "Welcome" board in all languages too.
It's all part of the Inclusion Policy.

I think it's a nice idea actually.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:47 pm

The nursery is in Market Rasen. I don't think they have much diversity up that way.

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:23 pm

That doesn't matter. Each school or educational setting, has an Inclusion Policy and has to abide by it.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:26 pm

eddie wrote:That doesn't matter. Each school or educational setting, has an Inclusion Policy and has to abide by it.

Do they have pictures of white children on the walls at nurseries where all the children are not white?

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:21 pm

Here's another example of the madness...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11240700/School-marked-down-by-Ofsted-for-being-too-white.html

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Here's another example of the madness...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11240700/School-marked-down-by-Ofsted-for-being-too-white.html

Lincolnshire again and very near Market Rasen. Maybe they should force some black people to go and live there just to make it more "diverse".

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:37 pm

I think the leftie inspectors just get upset when they see too many white english children... as to them that must be racist!!!

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:40 pm

These idiots really need to pull themselves together and mind their own business.

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:07 pm

No... they do this instead...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651108/Rural-school-deemed-white-Ofsted-visits-London-mix-ethnic-pupils.html

by Original Quill Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:21 pm

PC is just an adjective for something someone overemphasizes, and you don't agree.

Did you know you could be PC about paedophilia? Rape? You just don't recognize it as PC because you agree with it.

by nicko Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:54 pm

Quill, kindly explain in more detail.

by Ben Reilly Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:07 pm

It seems like Raggs and Tommy want the British education system to do the children of the UK quite a disservice. If they're not comfortable with people of other races, sure, they can live in quaint little all-white villages and live yawnful little lives, but if they're going out into the big wide world, they're going to have to be able to work with non-whites.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:17 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:It seems like Raggs and Tommy want the British education system to do the children of the UK quite a disservice. If they're not comfortable with people of other races, sure, they can live in quaint little all-white villages and live yawnful little lives, but if they're going out into the big wide world, they're going to have to be able to work with non-whites.

Oh no! Work with non-whites? However will they cope without being "educated" at the age of three that some people have darker skin than others? You make it sound like they're being asked to mix with aliens from a different planet.

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:19 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:That doesn't matter. Each school or educational setting, has an Inclusion Policy and has to abide by it.

Do they have pictures of white children on the walls at nurseries where all the children are not white?

They will be standard pictures that most schools will be sent and use.
The inclusion policy applies to all educational settings.

I ran a mother and toddler group for years with a friend and we had to have welcome signs in other languages, though our policies were slightly different as we wasn't a "school".

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:24 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Do they have pictures of white children on the walls at nurseries where all the children are not white?

They will be standard pictures that most schools will be sent and use.
The inclusion policy applies to all educational settings.

I ran a mother and toddler group for years with a friend and we had to have welcome signs in other languages, though our policies were slightly different as we wasn't a "school".

Even if nobody at the place spoke a different language? FFS.

We are talking about Lincolnshire.

by Ben Reilly Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:It seems like Raggs and Tommy want the British education system to do the children of the UK quite a disservice. If they're not comfortable with people of other races, sure, they can live in quaint little all-white villages and live yawnful little lives, but if they're going out into the big wide world, they're going to have to be able to work with non-whites.

Oh no! Work with non-whites? However will they cope without being "educated" at the age of three that some people have darker skin than others? You make it sound like they're being asked to mix with aliens from a different planet.

Why not expose them to the fact that the world isn't all-white from an early age? The younger people begin learning things, the better they understand them.

by Ben Reilly Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Do they have pictures of white children on the walls at nurseries where all the children are not white?

They will be standard pictures that most schools will be sent and use.
The inclusion policy applies to all educational settings.

I ran a mother and toddler group for years with a friend and we had to have welcome signs in other languages, though our policies were slightly different as we wasn't a "school".

Even if nobody at the place spoke a different language? FFS.

We are talking about Lincolnshire.

And nobody ever leaves Lincolnshire, of course.

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:38 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:It seems like Raggs and Tommy want the British education system to do the children of the UK quite a disservice. If they're not comfortable with people of other races, sure, they can live in quaint little all-white villages and live yawnful little lives, but if they're going out into the big wide world, they're going to have to be able to work with non-whites.

It's not about that. It's about the in your face tactics these people use to try to be all politically correct and right on. It actually just creates problems where there were none to start with. It's done, because these people want to be seen to support the minorities, but in actual fact they just emphasise the minority issue, if there is one - which in the majority of cases there isn't. In Britain today there are very few all white areas.

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:40 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:It seems like Raggs and Tommy want the British education system to do the children of the UK quite a disservice. If they're not comfortable with people of other races, sure, they can live in quaint little all-white villages and live yawnful little lives, but if they're going out into the big wide world, they're going to have to be able to work with non-whites.

Oh no! Work with non-whites? However will they cope without being "educated" at the age of three that some people have darker skin than others? You make it sound like they're being asked to mix with aliens from a different planet.

Why not expose them to the fact that the world isn't all-white from an early age? The younger people begin learning things, the better they understand them.

That's all part of the inclusion policy that schools adhere to.
I taught my children at home about other colours and creeds anyway.

We live in a world with lots of people, so shouldn't children know about them??

Not sure why anyone has a problem with this tbh

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:41 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh no! Work with non-whites? However will they cope without being "educated" at the age of three that some people have darker skin than others? You make it sound like they're being asked to mix with aliens from a different planet.

Why not expose them to the fact that the world isn't all-white from an early age? The younger people begin learning things, the better they understand them.

At that age, why should kiddies even be aware of colour or race differences. At that age, there should be no issue at all. So why make one?

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:44 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Why not expose them to the fact that the world isn't all-white from an early age? The younger people begin learning things, the better they understand them.

That's all part of the inclusion policy that schools adhere to.
I taught my children at home about other colours and creeds anyway.

We live in a world with lots of people, so shouldn't children know about them??

Not sure why anyone has a problem with this tbh

You taught them about colours and creeds? Why? It's not as though people of colour are from a different planet.
Why wouldn't kids just accept each other regardless of colour or creed? What's to teach exactly?

Better to teach kids manners and social skills and how to be compassionate to each other rather than highlighting the differences in skin colour.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:51 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh no! Work with non-whites? However will they cope without being "educated" at the age of three that some people have darker skin than others? You make it sound like they're being asked to mix with aliens from a different planet.

Why not expose them to the fact that the world isn't all-white from an early age? The younger people begin learning things, the better they understand them.

I'm sure they probably see non-white people on the telly. Why make such a huge fuss over skin colour anyway?

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:52 pm

I think this huge fuss over skin colour is what's dividing people. Drawing attention to it constantly in the US doesn't seem to have helped.

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:08 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
eddie wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Why not expose them to the fact that the world isn't all-white from an early age? The younger people begin learning things, the better they understand them.

That's all part of the inclusion policy that schools adhere to.
I taught my children at home about other colours and creeds anyway.

We live in a world with lots of people, so shouldn't children know about them??

Not sure why anyone has a problem with this tbh

You taught them about colours and creeds? Why? It's not as though people of colour are from a different planet.
Why wouldn't kids just accept each other regardless of colour or creed? What's to teach exactly?

Better to teach kids manners and social skills and how to be compassionate to each other rather than highlighting the differences in skin colour.

Because they see people on TV children's programmes and they're a different colour? And children ask questions? I also have a best friend who's Indian and my daughter plays with her daughter, a good few friends who are black, and a couple of Bulgarian friends. My daughter and son, would ask "Why is so and so got different coloured skin to me?"
It's a simple question and you answer it.

How else would I approach it lol

Ergo, they learn about different colours and creeds. It's not rocket science.

by Ben Reilly Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:11 pm

I believe the entire point of teaching kids about other races and cultures is to help them become people who accept others regardless of color or creed. Is it not?

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:12 pm

eddie wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

You taught them about colours and creeds? Why? It's not as though people of colour are from a different planet.
Why wouldn't kids just accept each other regardless of colour or creed? What's to teach exactly?

Better to teach kids manners and social skills and how to be compassionate to each other rather than highlighting the differences in skin colour.

Because they see people on TV children's programmes and they're a different colour? And children ask questions? I also have a best friend who's Indian and my daughter plays with her daughter, a good few friends who are black, and a couple of Bulgarian friends. My daughter and son, would ask "Why is so and so got different coloured skin to me?"
It's a simple question and you answer it.

How else would I approach it lol

Ergo, they learn about different colours and creeds. It's not rocket science.

That's right - it's not rocket science, so why do they need special education to tell them why someone is a different colour? Surely they have friends with different colour hair to them too, and they don't need educating about that do they?

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:13 pm

Of course it is and children aren't afraid to ask questions, they say it exactly, it falls from their mouths like big plopping stones when it's quiet!

My daughter asked very loudly once:
"Why is that lady, round like a big ballon?"

Embarassed

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:19 pm

eddie wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

You taught them about colours and creeds? Why? It's not as though people of colour are from a different planet.
Why wouldn't kids just accept each other regardless of colour or creed? What's to teach exactly?

Better to teach kids manners and social skills and how to be compassionate to each other rather than highlighting the differences in skin colour.

Because they see people on TV children's programmes and they're a different colour? And children ask questions? I also have a best friend who's Indian and my daughter plays with her daughter, a good few friends who are black, and a couple of Bulgarian friends. My daughter and son, would ask "Why is so and so got different coloured skin to me?"
It's a simple question and you answer it.

How else would I approach it lol

Ergo, they learn about different colours and creeds. It's not rocket science.

Eddie... so the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this already...!?

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:21 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I believe the entire point of teaching kids about other races and cultures is to help them become people who accept others regardless of color or creed. Is it not?

Then maybe they should be taught about age differences, illnesses, disabilities, height differences, why some people are fatter, why some people are bald, etc, etc, etc.

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:27 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

You taught them about colours and creeds? Why? It's not as though people of colour are from a different planet.
Why wouldn't kids just accept each other regardless of colour or creed? What's to teach exactly?

Better to teach kids manners and social skills and how to be compassionate to each other rather than highlighting the differences in skin colour.

Because they see people on TV children's programmes and they're a different colour? And children ask questions? I also have a best friend who's Indian and my daughter plays with her daughter, a good few friends who are black, and a couple of Bulgarian friends. My daughter and son, would ask "Why is so and so got different coloured skin to me?"
It's a simple question and you answer it.

How else would I approach it lol

Ergo, they learn about different colours and creeds. It's not rocket science.

Eddie... so the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this already...!?

Tommy.....this is before they went to school or nursery. Both my children were fluent talkers by 2 and half - and I mean fluent!
Know why? Because I taught them and read big picture books and socialised them with lots of different people!

I ran a baby singing group for 0-3's in a very multi-cultural area and so both mine just mixed with all sorts of adults and children.

That's how you bring up well-rounded people.

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:37 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Eddie... so the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this already...!?

Tommy.....this is before they went to school or nursery. Both my children were fluent talkers by 2 and half - and I mean fluent!
Know why? Because I taught them and read big picture books and socialised them with lots of different people!

I ran a baby singing group for 0-3's in a very multi-cultural area and so both mine just mixed with all sorts of adults and children.

That's how you bring up well-rounded people.

So the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this...!?

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:38 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Eddie... so the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this already...!?

Tommy.....this is before they went to school or nursery. Both my children were fluent talkers by 2 and half - and I mean fluent!
Know why? Because I taught them and read big picture books and socialised them with lots of different people!

I ran a baby singing group for 0-3's in a very multi-cultural area and so both mine just mixed with all sorts of adults and children.

That's how you bring up well-rounded people.

But the children in Market Rasen apparently aren't mixing with children of other colours because there aren't any, or there aren't many. You can't force non-white people to go and live there just so that they can mix with white children.

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Eddie... so the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this already...!?

Tommy.....this is before they went to school or nursery. Both my children were fluent talkers by 2 and half - and I mean fluent!
Know why? Because I taught them and read big picture books and socialised them with lots of different people!

I ran a baby singing group for 0-3's in a very multi-cultural area and so both mine just mixed with all sorts of adults and children.

That's how you bring up well-rounded people.

So the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this...!?

Sigh. Your question makes no sense - see my answer

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:47 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Eddie... so the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this already...!?

Tommy.....this is before they went to school or nursery. Both my children were fluent talkers by 2 and half - and I mean fluent!
Know why? Because I taught them and read big picture books and socialised them with lots of different people!

I ran a baby singing group for 0-3's in a very multi-cultural area and so both mine just mixed with all sorts of adults and children.

That's how you bring up well-rounded people.

But the children in Market Rasen apparently aren't mixing with children of other colours because there aren't any, or there aren't many. You can't force non-white people to go and live there just so that they can mix with white children.

My child doesn't mix with farmyard animals where I live, but I still sang "Old McDonald had a farm" to her.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:50 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

But the children in Market Rasen apparently aren't mixing with children of other colours because there aren't any, or there aren't many. You can't force non-white people to go and live there just so that they can mix with white children.

My child doesn't mix with farmyard animals where I live, but I still sang "Old McDonald had a farm" to her.

So should a nursery school in a town be forced to teach songs about farm animals?

by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:00 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

So the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this...!?

Sigh. Your question makes no sense - see my answer

You said yours knew all about different colours before 3 yrs old... so the enforced multi coloured face thing at centres after 3 yrs old is superfluous... and certainly not something to be downgraded for for not doing enough of. .?

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:08 pm

eddie wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

You taught them about colours and creeds? Why? It's not as though people of colour are from a different planet.
Why wouldn't kids just accept each other regardless of colour or creed? What's to teach exactly?

Better to teach kids manners and social skills and how to be compassionate to each other rather than highlighting the differences in skin colour.

Because they see people on TV children's programmes and they're a different colour? And children ask questions? I also have a best friend who's Indian and my daughter plays with her daughter, a good few friends who are black, and a couple of Bulgarian friends. My daughter and son, would ask "Why is so and so got different coloured skin to me?"
It's a simple question and you answer it.

How else would I approach it lol

Ergo, they learn about different colours and creeds. It's not rocket science.

That's not teaching a child anything. That's just answering a question. So, how exactly do you answer that simple question?

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:10 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I believe the entire point of teaching kids about other races and cultures is to help them become people who accept others regardless of color or creed. Is it not?

Children are accepting by default. Racism is learned thing, like hatred.

To answer the above, I thought that's what we do anyway. And so far, going off history, it's not worked has it?

by eddie Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:12 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

But the children in Market Rasen apparently aren't mixing with children of other colours because there aren't any, or there aren't many. You can't force non-white people to go and live there just so that they can mix with white children.

My child doesn't mix with farmyard animals where I live, but I still sang "Old McDonald had a farm" to her.

So should a nursery school in a town be forced to teach songs about farm animals?

Actually, you will find that learning about farm animals is part of the curriculum.

Even when I ran that baby singing group I spoke about, I had to run to a policy and an "agenda"
The session had to include songs about numbers, or animals, or colours etc

I had to show a plan every week! I was there for just over an hour a week and I still had to follow procedure. My plans could be looked at, at any given moment by officials within the setting where I was based.

There are very strict policies in place when you work with children.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:15 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So should a nursery school in a town be forced to teach songs about farm animals?

Actually, you will find that learning about farm animals is part of the curriculum.

Even when I ran that baby singing group I spoke about, I had to run to a policy and an "agenda"
The session had to include songs about numbers, or animals, or colours etc

I had to show a plan every week! I was there for just over an hour a week and I still had to follow procedure.

There are very strict policies in place when you work with children.

I don't remember all this nonsense when I was at school. We did sing a song about a mushroom though. There was also one called "Mango walk", which I guess was about "diversity".

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:16 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Eddie... so the multi different colour face pictures on the walls at the nursery/school didn't teach them this already...!?

Tommy.....this is before they went to school or nursery. Both my children were fluent talkers by 2 and half - and I mean fluent!
Know why? Because I taught them and read big picture books and socialised them with lots of different people!

I ran a baby singing group for 0-3's in a very multi-cultural area and so both mine just mixed with all sorts of adults and children.

That's how you bring up well-rounded people.

You obviously didn't buy books with fat people in them or ethnic minorities, or socialise them with people of colour, otherwise your early speaking kids would not have had to ask awkward questions later on.

If you ran this multi cultural group why would your kids ask about a neighbour's child's skin colour being different?

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:

Actually, you will find that learning about farm animals is part of the curriculum.

Even when I ran that baby singing group I spoke about, I had to run to a policy and an "agenda"
The session had to include songs about numbers, or animals, or colours etc

I had to show a plan every week! I was there for just over an hour a week and I still had to follow procedure.

There are very strict policies in place when you work with children.

I don't remember all this nonsense when I was at school. We did sing a song about a mushroom though. There was also one called "Mango walk", which I guess was about "diversity".

Me neither. We had African kids in our school, and not once did I ever wonder why they had dark skin. Anymore than I wondered why the Chinese kid had olive skin, and the ginger kid had red hair. Rolling Eyes

by Ben Reilly Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:42 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:

Actually, you will find that learning about farm animals is part of the curriculum.

Even when I ran that baby singing group I spoke about, I had to run to a policy and an "agenda"
The session had to include songs about numbers, or animals, or colours etc

I had to show a plan every week! I was there for just over an hour a week and I still had to follow procedure.

There are very strict policies in place when you work with children.

I don't remember all this nonsense when I was at school. We did sing a song about a mushroom though. There was also one called "Mango walk", which I guess was about "diversity".

Me neither. We had African kids in our school, and not once did I ever wonder why they had dark skin. Anymore than I wondered why the Chinese kid had olive skin, and the ginger kid had red hair.

So? The educational system should be designed around you?

When I was a kid, I thought my dad was black. I had to learn about different shades of white people, for Christ's sake!

by Syl Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:52 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:I believe the entire point of teaching kids about other races and cultures is to help them become people who accept others regardless of color or creed. Is it not?

Children are accepting by default. Racism is learned thing, like hatred.

To answer the above, I thought that's what we do anyway. And so far, going off history, it's not worked has it?

I agree 100%.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:08 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Me neither. We had African kids in our school, and not once did I ever wonder why they had dark skin. Anymore than I wondered why the Chinese kid had olive skin, and the ginger kid had red hair.

So? The educational system should be designed around you?

When I was a kid, I thought my dad was black. I had to learn about different shades of white people, for Christ's sake!

Why?

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