Catholic mother admits she has questioned her faith — and believers respond by heaping abuse on her

by Guest Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:53 am

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Sonia Guizar used to attend mass regularly and teach at a Catholic school. But her Catholic employer’s refusal to cover birth control brought her an ill-timed pregnancy and a child with developmental challenges that stretch her family thin. When she publicly shared her experience and questioned Church teachings in a Washington Post story, what she got was a heap of abuse from fellow Catholics whose urge to defend religious dogma and authority trumped their kindness and compassion. Guizar’s story may be a very distant echo of the horrendous slaughter being perpetrated by Jihadis shouting “Allahu akbar!”—but it is an echo nonetheless. One of religion’s most heinous characteristics is that it elevates defense of faith above compassion, inspiring mean and aggressive behavior in the names of gods.

The American Supreme Court is considering a “religious freedom” claim by a Catholic charity, the Little Sisters of the Poor, that wants to deny contraception coverage to employees in their chain of nursing homes—mostly working poor women who can ill afford either out-of-pocket birth control costs or a surprise pregnancy. They further want to block the same employees from gaining access to free contraception via an “opt out” mechanism, a religious exemption already established under Obamacare. With the case making news and drawing protests, Guizar shared her own experience of needing birth control that she and her husband couldn’t afford. Fearing she would be fired by her Catholic employer if she tried to get the IUD recommended by her doctor, Guizar and her husband tried to make do with “natural family planning” and ended up pregnant. Their son, born from that pregnancy, has developmental delays and requires therapy multiple times weekly; and the whole ordeal has caused her to question her faith.

Her story is both ordinary and heartbreaking, and most people reading it would ache for her. But in dozens of comments, Catholic defenders of the faith saw fit to instead question either the legitimacy of her devotion, or her strength or integrity:

This is such an obvious hit piece–no catholic would ever say “I no longer celebrate mass” every catholic knows that only a priest can celebrate a mass. [not true]

You couldn’t afford birth control? Really? That’s ridiculous [not true] . . . . And you call yourself a ‘devout’ Catholic and NOT following their doctrine? Again, you don’t know what either devout and/or Catholic means. —Angie Sharp

Then you really were not a Catholic to begin with. Now you just write really dumb stuff! Congratulations you are progressing. I’m sure God will forgive your idiotic apostasy.—Wasachnorth [See No True Scotsman Fallacy]

The Apostle Paul was shipwrecked, tortured and thrown in different jails. You? Well you were told to not use birth control and your faith crumbled. —Give-me-Liberty

The amazing and great thing about America is that you can change your employment! Yes, I know it sounds incredible, but it can be done! If The Church has a tenet that you do not agree with, and it does, then you can adopt a creed more to your liking or get another job. Problem solved. —Steve Fotos

Go find another job. You signed an employment agreement. —Robert PS

I can’t believe this lady ever was a devout Catholic, she may have though she was, but it is obvious she has little understanding of faith and a great understanding of the secular world. . . . If she were really a devout Catholic she might try to follow the example of Mary in saying yes to God, instead of the example of Eve who said no to God and yes to the Snake! —Yvonne Yadler Bean
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Natural planning is just as effective as any other birth control method. [not true—1 in 4 annual pregnancy rate vs 1 in 2000.] . . . . If you really are devout catholic, you should known what the church teaches and if you don’t like it work somewhere else. —pattyanna

Sonia is missing the boat as a “devout” catholic. She says she would have as many children as God intended but cant afford??????????? If her faith in God is solid, then he will take care of the financial “burden” that comes with having kids. As a fellow Catholic . . . .—Hannah Pharis

Perhaps you should read the bible again. JOB would have loved to have been hit with the issue of contraception as opposed to having this faith tried by the loss of his entire family! But you are devout? —Jane1000

If you don’t like your faith because your employer doesn’t pay for contraceptives, than you’ve never had one in the first place. Go demagogue somewhere else.—Pete r Gray

There are many morals or themes that could be drawn from Sonia’s story: The enormous human cost of the Vatican’s anti-contraception stance, especially when it leaves families struggling to care for children with developmental issues (think Zika). The fact that a modern IUD or implant (both of which have bonus health benefits) can be life changing for a woman and her family. The crass dishonesty of any person or institution claiming to be a friend to the poor (or “Little Sister of the Poor”) while denying poor families the means to delay or limit childbearing. The fascinating psychology of religion that compels people to lie to themselves and others once they accept a dogma. The fact most American Catholics follow their own conscience and use modern contraception at some point despite Papal edict. The fact that Catholic tradition itself is conflicted about individuals making this decision.

But during a month of jihadist violence—executions in Ivory Coast, a bombing in Brussels and a bombing in Istanbul, all by people who see themselves as defending the one true faith–what strikes me most about Sonia’s story is the mundane cruelty of her detractors, the fact that even on a topic as ordinary as family planning or a setting as minor as a Washington Post comment thread, religious belief has the power to trump humanity’s deepest shared ethic—the Golden Rule—and our most cherished moral emotion: compassion. I have written in the past about “religion’s dirty dozen,” twelve really bad religious ideas that have made the world worse. The idea that religious beliefs themselves matter more than love and kindness, more than our shared humanity, should be at the top of the list.

Valerie Tarico is a psychologist and writer in Seattle, Washington. She is the author of Trusting Doubt: A Former Evangelical Looks at Old Beliefs in a New Light and Deas and Other Imaginings, and the founder of www.WisdomCommons.org. Her articles about religion, reproductive health, and the role of women in society have been featured at sites including AlterNet, Salon, the Huffington Post, Grist, and Jezebel. Subscribe at ValerieTarico.com.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/catholic-mother-admits-she-has-questioned-her-faith-and-believers-respond-by-heaping-abuse-on-her/

Hence why again religion does little good and is hugely damaging

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:12 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you saying that someone PMd you a year ago to tell I was banned from a doxing forum eight years ago? You have some strange friends who are clearly as obsessed as you are Didge.

I'm not the one who goes around beating people up - you are. Does that make you feel like a big man Didge? Your inadequacy shines through. I don't recall making you an offer - I wouldn't touch you with a very long pole - you're a thug, as the court said.

I love beating up hooligans, its a real adrenaline buzz, so how you think or why that would bother me

I grew up boxing so I love fighting

So funny how everything you posts is insignificant and the mindset of a two year old

Again how is it an obsession that someone warned me of you that you are vile?

That is just common sense

You love beating people up, and you think that's mature. You'll end up in prison again if you're not careful ...

It's so sweet that you're friends with a person from a forum where they doxed you. Laughing

Nobody needed to warn me of how vile you are - it shines through in all your posts, as well as your inadequacy. Cool

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:13 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

I love beating up hooligans, its a real adrenaline buzz, so how you think or why that would bother me

I grew up boxing so I love fighting

So funny how everything you posts is insignificant and the mindset of a two year old

Again how is it an obsession that someone warned me of you that you are vile?

That is just common sense

You love beating people up, and you think that's mature. You'll end up in prison again if you're not careful ...

It's so sweet that you're friends with a person from a forum where they doxed you.

Nobody needed to warn me of how vile you are - it shines through in all your posts, as well as your inadequacy.

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by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:15 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You love beating people up, and you think that's mature. You'll end up in prison again if you're not careful ...

It's so sweet that you're friends with a person from a forum where they doxed you.

Nobody needed to warn me of how vile you are - it shines through in all your posts, as well as your inadequacy.

Enjoy your meltdown Didge - it won't be the first one or the last one. lol!

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:17 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Enjoy your meltdown Didge - it won't be the first one or the last one.

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:17 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Enjoy your meltdown Didge - it won't be the first one or the last one.

It's going to be an epic meltdown this time for you Didge. You need to chill out otherwise you'll make yourself ill again.

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:18 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

It's going to be an epic meltdown this time for you Didge. You need to chill out otherwise you'll make yourself ill again.

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by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:19 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's going to be an epic meltdown this time for you Didge. You need to chill out otherwise you'll make yourself ill again.

You'll end up in a mental hospital at this rate Didge ...

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:21 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

You'll end up in a mental hospital at this rate Didge ...

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:21 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You'll end up in a mental hospital at this rate Didge ...

There's so much anger in you Didge - let it go ...

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:23 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

There's so much anger in you Didge - let it go ...

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:25 am

This happens every time you can't force people to agree with you Didge - you start spamming the threads you started yourself. Cool

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:25 am

Raggamuffin wrote:This happens every time you can't force people to agree with you Didge - you start spamming the threads you started yourself.

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by Major Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:26 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Enjoy your meltdown Didge - it won't be the first one or the last one.

Has Didge really been in prison?

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:30 am

Stormee wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Enjoy your meltdown Didge - it won't be the first one or the last one.

Has Didge really been in prison?

Yes.

by HoratioTarr Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:42 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Stormee wrote:

Has Didge really been in prison?

Yes.

You have proof of this? Or just what he's told everyone?

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:43 am

Ah so much interest of me on so many threads

Hoaratio most be soaked

lol!

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:44 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes.

You have proof of this? Or just what he's told everyone?

Good point. He said he has been in prison.

by HoratioTarr Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:44 am

Didge wrote:Ah so much interest of me on so many threads

Hoaratio most be soaked

More egotistical spouting. clown

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:45 am

Didge wrote:Ah so much interest of me on so many threads

Hoaratio most be soaked

You should stop the sexist talk.

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:46 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
Didge wrote:Ah so much interest of me on so many threads

Hoaratio most be soaked

More egotistical spouting.

Just reeling you in with every post and everytime you fall for it

Not the brightest sparks the 3 of you are you

Razz

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:46 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:Ah so much interest of me on so many threads

Hoaratio most be soaked

You should stop the sexist talk.

How is it sexist that she is pining over me?

Razz

by HoratioTarr Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:46 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

You have proof of this? Or just what he's told everyone?

Good point. He said he has been in prison.

Well, either he's trying to make himself look like a hard man, or he's admitting he's a thug with criminal tendencies. Either way it points to a high level of idiocy and a dearth of self esteem.

by HoratioTarr Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:47 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You should stop the sexist talk.

How is it sexist that she is pining over me?

So, now you're addressing me as female. I do wish you'd make up your mind.

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:48 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Good point. He said he has been in prison.

Well, either he's trying to make himself look like a hard man, or he's admitting he's a thug with criminal tendencies. Either way it points to a high level of idiocy and a dearth of self esteem.

Again you have no idea

Which just sums up I bet you slag off many people behind their backs when you have no idea of an event and then just decide based off your own ignorance

I bet that is bang on the money

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:48 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
Didge wrote:

How is it sexist that she is pining over me?

So, now you're addressing me as female. I do wish you'd make up your mind.

Well that is what rags said you are

You need to make up your mind if you are not lol

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:50 am

Didge wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

So, now you're addressing me as female. I do wish you'd make up your mind.

Well that is what rags said you are

You need to make up your mind if you are not lol

I didn't actually. I said you were presuming that Horatio is male.

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:52 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well that is what rags said you are

You need to make up your mind if you are not lol

I didn't actually. I said you were presuming that Horatio is male.

Well if he is not a male or female then he must be a Transgender or a hermaphrodite

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:55 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't actually. I said you were presuming that Horatio is male.

Well if he is not a male or female then he must be a Transgender or a hermaphrodite

I didn't say Horatio was not male or female.

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:56 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well if he is not a male or female then he must be a Transgender or a hermaphrodite

I didn't say Horatio was not male or female.

Not really fussed and will just now presume until they decide to say

So best they say or might get wrongly labbeled, as I have no idea

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:

Good point. He said he has been in prison.

Are you saying you know a lot of people who have been to prison??????????????????????????????????????????

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

You do keep on second guessing about who I am, don't you? Are you itching to know?

Nothing wrong with being single, Didge. There is, however, something very wrong about being a bully, which is what you are.

He knows I'm not from Bitchfest, and he probably doesn't think you are either.

This is where rags stated Hoaratio was a male lol also claimed I was doxed

Guess hoaratio must b e that prick Joy

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by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:30 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

He knows I'm not from Bitchfest, and he probably doesn't think you are either.

This is where rags stated Hoaratio was a male lol also claimed I was doxed

Guess hoaratio must b e that prick Joy

I didn't say anything about Horatio being male.

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

This is where rags stated Hoaratio was a male lol also claimed I was doxed

Guess hoaratio must b e that prick Joy

I didn't say anything about Horatio being male.

Whats up petal, you seem very vexed

Razz

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:33 pm

Didge wrote:

Whats up petal, you seem very vexed

Thats a coincidence coz Raffamuffin is usually very oversexed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She gets herself in a right stoo over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:34 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't say anything about Horatio being male.

Whats up petal, you seem very vexed

I merely said that I didn't say anything about Horatio being male, which means that you lied again. Surprised

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:34 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Whats up petal, you seem very vexed

I merely said that I didn't say anything about Horatio being male, which means that you lied again.

Ah petal dont be upset

Razz

by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:36 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I merely said that I didn't say anything about Horatio being male, which means that you lied again.

Ah petal dont be upset

I'm not upset, I merely said that I haven't said Horatio is male - as you claimed.

by Syl Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:36 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Syl wrote:The top car is worth a fortune thanks to it's connections....and Ford Capri's are very collectable nowadays.....I used to have 3 litre one and it was a fabulous little motor.

A Capri V6 in good condition could be bought for a couple of $thousand$ down here these days !

It would probably want to be a racing model, maybe with a Cosworth engine, and in immaculate condition to be "worth a fortune".

NOW then, if it was an early '70s American built Mustang you were talking about, it could go for 10 -- 20 times, or more, the price of an English Capri at auction..

I said the Reliant Regal would be 'worth a fortune'...it was the original one from the TV show "Fools and horses". Laughing

Ford Capris are very collectable here....a quick look at 'Autotrader' ....they have 4 for sale ranging from £6000 to £13000.

by Guest Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Ah petal dont be upset

I'm not upset, I merely said that I haven't said Horatio is male - as you claimed.

Which has now made me work out who it is and that Flap is where the truth is

by HoratioTarr Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:29 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not upset, I merely said that I haven't said Horatio is male - as you claimed.

Which has now made me work out who it is and that Flap is where the truth is

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by Raggamuffin Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:31 pm

I must go and find the truth over at Flap. Laughing

by HoratioTarr Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I must go and find the truth over at Flap.

Take notes, please, and report back here pronto!

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