Cardinal George Pell Admits “Enormous Mistakes” in Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandal
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Cardinal George Pell Admits “Enormous Mistakes” in Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandal
Cardinal George Pell is the Catholic Church leader who is allegedly responsible forcovering up instances of child sexual abuse by priests in Victoria, Australia. He now lives in the Vatican, where he serves as Pope Francis‘ top financial adviser. That’s mighty convenient since the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse is currently investigating the matter in Australia, which he could attend in person due to a sickness.
But yesterday, Pell testified for four hours via video while dozens of abuse survivors sat in person to listen to his testimony:
The apology, if you want to call it that, also comes decades too late to make a difference. Child abuse is not something where it’s better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. And the survivors were not impressed with Pell’s testimony:
The best path forward is to create a culture where abuse is minimized, priests are punished for their illegal actions, and those responsible for covering it up are put in jail rather than finding a job at the right hand of the Pope.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/02/29/cardinal-george-pell-admits-enormous-mistakes-in-catholic-church-sex-abuse-scandal/
Not sure if anyone has seen it,, but everyone should watch the Film "Spotlight"
Brilliant film
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Boston
But yesterday, Pell testified for four hours via video while dozens of abuse survivors sat in person to listen to his testimony:
“Enormous mistakes” is quite a euphemism for deliberately covering up sexual abuse.Pell asserted at the start: “I’m not here to defend the indefensible. The church has made enormous mistakes and is working to remedy those.” He said the church had “mucked things up and let people down” and for too long had dismissed credible abuse allegations “in absolutely scandalous circumstances.”
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… Pell also acknowledged that he too had made mistakes in often believing the priests over victims who alleged abuse.
“I must say in those days, if a priest denied such activity, I was very strongly inclined to accept the denial,” he said
The apology, if you want to call it that, also comes decades too late to make a difference. Child abuse is not something where it’s better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. And the survivors were not impressed with Pell’s testimony:
Pell vowed to meet with victims visiting Rome as a way to help them heal, but that amounts to sending your kid a $20 bill after abandoning him in his childhood. What’s the point?“Words are one thing. Actions are another,” [abuse survivor David Ridsdale] said, in calling for a church-funded compensation scheme that addresses the fact many survivors are so traumatized by their abuse that they cannot support themselves financially.
The best path forward is to create a culture where abuse is minimized, priests are punished for their illegal actions, and those responsible for covering it up are put in jail rather than finding a job at the right hand of the Pope.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/02/29/cardinal-george-pell-admits-enormous-mistakes-in-catholic-church-sex-abuse-scandal/
Not sure if anyone has seen it,, but everyone should watch the Film "Spotlight"
Brilliant film
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Boston
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Funny enough the same website also has the following:
Tonight’s winners at the 88th annual Academy Awards included a couple of films that exposed the worst practices within certain religious communities.
Spotlight, the film about Boston Globe reporters who uncovered the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal, took home awards for Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay:
The film is remarkable, not just for its realistic look at a newsroom, but for taking the subject matter so seriously. You can’t watch that movie without feeling anger and shock at just how widespread the Catholic cover-up was.
But perhaps the most understated win came in the category of Best Documentary Short. It went to Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy for her film A Girl in the River: The Price of Forgiveness — a movie about faith-based honor killings.
As the New York Times describes it, the film is:
While there were a lot of important themes to be discussed tonight, obviously including race, let’s hope the religious angle doesn’t get lost in the discussion. There are so many stories that show what happens when critical thinking goes out the window and religious dogma overrides common sense. I’m grateful that there are artists, actors, and reporters who can bring those stories to light.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/02/28/films-that-explored-religious-abuses-won-big-at-the-academy-awards/
Tonight’s winners at the 88th annual Academy Awards included a couple of films that exposed the worst practices within certain religious communities.
Spotlight, the film about Boston Globe reporters who uncovered the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal, took home awards for Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay:
The film is remarkable, not just for its realistic look at a newsroom, but for taking the subject matter so seriously. You can’t watch that movie without feeling anger and shock at just how widespread the Catholic cover-up was.
But perhaps the most understated win came in the category of Best Documentary Short. It went to Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy for her film A Girl in the River: The Price of Forgiveness — a movie about faith-based honor killings.
As the New York Times describes it, the film is:
The director herself said of the movie:… an enlightening exploration of the Pakistani culture that allows and even encourages honor killing. In this account of an 18-year-old woman who disobeys her family by eloping with a man from a lower class without permission, she is shot in the face by her father and uncle, thrown into a river and left to drown. Miraculously she survives. All the principals are interviewed.
Obaid-Chinoy won an Oscar in 2012 for her film Saving Face, which looked at acid attacks in Pakistan, a form of retaliation against women.… Honor killings affect hundreds of women in Pakistan every year and I hope that the film and its message will catalyze awareness and action around this crisis, igniting change for women and help put an end to this tragic abuse of human rights. This is an opportunity for Pakistan to acknowledge that it has a problem and to address it with urgency because there is no honor in an honor killing. We will send out a strong message that this heinous crime is not a part of our culture or religion, and by passing this legislation we will stand up for those victims who are no longer with us today…
While there were a lot of important themes to be discussed tonight, obviously including race, let’s hope the religious angle doesn’t get lost in the discussion. There are so many stories that show what happens when critical thinking goes out the window and religious dogma overrides common sense. I’m grateful that there are artists, actors, and reporters who can bring those stories to light.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/02/28/films-that-explored-religious-abuses-won-big-at-the-academy-awards/
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Pell is Scum, pretty much proved he knew about the Abuse and actively moved pedo priests to prevent prosecutions, he himself has moved to the Vatican and is now conveniently too sick to travel.
there is no punishment severe enough to actually give him what he deserves, even if the Church wasn't protecting him.
there is no punishment severe enough to actually give him what he deserves, even if the Church wasn't protecting him.
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All that pious hypocrisy is enough to make you sick. Is being celibate a healthy state of being for man? I think not.
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HoratioTarr wrote:All that pious hypocrisy is enough to make you sick. Is being celibate a healthy state of being for man? I think not.
From what I understand it is well known within the Catholic Church that over 50% of priest are not celibate and have relationships with many women and some men. The massive issue at the time in the US was that about 6% of Priests in the US were child sex offenders, which is staggering. In Boston alone that amounted to 90 Priests over a few decades
You should watch the film spotlight
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Pell was a very divisive figure in the Australian Catholic community during his couple of decades as Cardinal and bishop of the Catholic Church in Sydney...
He was the titular head of the conservative right wing faction of the Australian church; where over half of both the church community, and the clergy, didn't agree with his posturings and often acted against him.
Just watching him on the teev these last couple of days, he seems very evasive and somewhat sociopathic in his denials and redirections..
One thing about his tenure in Ballarat during the '70s - he was only a priest then, and guilty of ignoring and denying other priests behaviours, rather than actually covering them up...
Pell was also a long time mentor to the widely despised former Aussie PM Tony Abbott..
Any wonder that Pell fled from Oz, to enter into what is likely to be a permanent self-exile ?
He was the titular head of the conservative right wing faction of the Australian church; where over half of both the church community, and the clergy, didn't agree with his posturings and often acted against him.
Just watching him on the teev these last couple of days, he seems very evasive and somewhat sociopathic in his denials and redirections..
One thing about his tenure in Ballarat during the '70s - he was only a priest then, and guilty of ignoring and denying other priests behaviours, rather than actually covering them up...
Pell was also a long time mentor to the widely despised former Aussie PM Tony Abbott..
Any wonder that Pell fled from Oz, to enter into what is likely to be a permanent self-exile ?
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Didge wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:All that pious hypocrisy is enough to make you sick. Is being celibate a healthy state of being for man? I think not.
From what I understand it is well known within the Catholic Church that over 50% of priest are not celibate and have relationships with many women and some men....
That's just your opinion, Didgeri...
That may be true for Ireland, and probably Britain, but I have yet to see any actual evidence tosupport such conjecture in any New World countries..
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Well that is because you are not very well educated as the figure I give you comes from American Clergy of 50%
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It's on my list of things to watch.Didge wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:All that pious hypocrisy is enough to make you sick. Is being celibate a healthy state of being for man? I think not.
From what I understand it is well known within the Catholic Church that over 50% of priest are not celibate and have relationships with many women and some men. The massive issue at the time in the US was that about 6% of Priests in the US were child sex offenders, which is staggering. In Boston alone that amounted to 90 Priests over a few decades
You should watch the film spotlight
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HoratioTarr wrote:All that pious hypocrisy is enough to make you sick. Is being celibate a healthy state of being for man? I think not.
Celibacy is not a uniquely Catholic trait...
There are several religipus sects and cults, and various philosophies, that have celibacy as a potential means of sipposedly reaching a "higher level of spirituality";
E.g. Catholic, Anglican, Jewish and Buddhist nuns;
Certain non-Catholic orders of monks and brothers;
Buddhists;
Hindu and Sikh 'holy men'.
(Even many soldiers and other servicemen during wartime, have found themselves in extended times of forced abstinence, separated from their loved ones for 2, 3, even 5 years..).
Celibacy was actually first introduced into the Catholic church in Rome during the 9th Century, on the return of a group of monks and priests from their pilgrimage through the Middle East, where they were introduced to the concept of celbacy for spiritual reasons, by an old pre-Hebrew religious sect.
There were married priests and Popes, and even a female Pope, during the first Millenium of yhe Catholic Churchs history.
Until actual real world evidence of some causal connection to child abuse and rape is produced, such thoughts remain pure conjecture and opinion on the part of a few like-minded people..
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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:All that pious hypocrisy is enough to make you sick. Is being celibate a healthy state of being for man? I think not.
Celibacy is not a uniquely Catholic trait...
There are several religipus sects and cults, and various philosophies, that have celibacy as a potential means of sipposedly reaching a "higher level of spirituality";
E.g. Catholic, Anglican, Jewish and Buddhist nuns;
Certain non-Catholic orders of monks and brothers;
Buddhists;
Hindu and Sikh 'holy men'.
(Even many soldiers and other servicemen during wartime, have found themselves in extended times of forced abstinence, separated from their loved ones for 2, 3, even 5 years..).
Celibacy was actually first introduced into the Catholic church in Rome during the 9th Century, on the return of a group of monks and priests from their pilgrimage through the Middle East, where they were introduced to the concept of celbacy for spiritual reasons, by an old pre-Hebrew religious sect.
There were married priests and Popes, and even a female Pope, during the first Millenium of yhe Catholic Churchs history.
Until actual real world evidence of some causal connection to child abuse and rape is produced, such thoughts remain pure conjecture and opinion on the part of a few like-minded people..
yes, I know. I think the priesthood has it's share of damaged persons, those seeking some spiritual absolution for their own shortcomings, guilt, sexual perversions, or whatever. As though turning to God might cleanse them. Of course it doesn't, and they can't control their urges. What makes it so bad is all the Holy Rolling and sexual control of others.
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