Is it Trump or Hilary, who have friends in the KKK? WATCH VIDEO

eddie wrote:You seem to presume I like trump and I'm defending him?
See you're missing my continual point in this thread and on the whole forum! I don't care if Hilary had a mate that was a racist and I don't care if trump does either. Doesn't make them racist necessarily (though I think Trumo is), and it doesn't make Hilary a KKK member even though she was once mates with a member.

My point again, is lots of you are quick to label people when you don't like them - me being a prime example Quill; you would label me a racist yet someone you like could have the same view, worded sweetly and veiled, and you'd skim over it.

It's called biased.

You call conservatives Stupid, yet so are the left, Because you all rigidly stick to the beliefs of your chosen 'cult' (oh yes it is a cult!) even when you can see a fault in it.

It's quite stupid, this leaning toward one way and one way only.

I don't get it.

eddie wrote:Over here the liberal is the middle man. That's pretty much where I sit. Bang in the middle.
Some of the right, is right and some of the left, is right.

If you know what I mean

Miffs2 wrote:

eddie wrote:Over here the liberal is the middle man. That's pretty much where I sit. Bang in the middle.
Some of the right, is right and some of the left, is right.

If you know what I mean

Yup. Otherwise known as clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right

eddie wrote:Over here the liberal is the middle man. That's pretty much where I sit. Bang in the middle.
Some of the right, is right and some of the left, is right.

If you know what I mean

veya_victaous wrote:

eddie wrote:Over here the liberal is the middle man. That's pretty much where I sit. Bang in the middle.
Some of the right, is right and some of the left, is right.

If you know what I mean

here Liberals means Conservative.

Original Quill wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

eddie wrote:Over here the liberal is the middle man. That's pretty much where I sit. Bang in the middle.
Some of the right, is right and some of the left, is right.

If you know what I mean

here Liberals means Conservative.

In the UK, that's what Labour means...conservative.  They hold hands with Republicans and invade helpless third-world nations.

veya_victaous wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

In the UK, that's what Labour means...conservative.  They hold hands with Republicans and invade helpless third-world nations.

Tory is conservative in the UK (Liberal or LNP is the RW party here)
Labour is Socialist/unionist it is the same here .

and thats not fair As if the Uk has enough power to make that decision? regardless of who was in power they would join because they were bloody well told to. Same down here wouldn't have mattered, the Bossman(USA) said we go to fight.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:You seem to presume I like trump and I'm defending him?
See you're missing my continual point in this thread and on the whole forum! I don't care if Hilary had a mate that was a racist and I don't care if trump does either. Doesn't make them racist necessarily (though I think Trumo is), and it doesn't make Hilary a KKK member even though she was once mates with a member.

My point again, is lots of you are quick to label people when you don't like them - me being a prime example Quill; you would label me a racist yet someone you like could have the same view, worded sweetly and veiled, and you'd skim over it.

It's called biased.

You call conservatives Stupid, yet so are the left, Because you all rigidly stick to the beliefs of your chosen 'cult' (oh yes it is a cult!) even when you can see a fault in it.

It's quite stupid, this leaning toward one way and one way only.

I don't get it.

No, you are allowed no vote on Trump, hence your opinion doesn't matter.  But I know you come from RW circles, and you frequent RW sites.  And I know that's where you got the OP clip that likened Hillary's eulogy to the Trump/Duke love affair.  I know the spirit in which it was offered.  It is far too late in the game for you to deny the very premises on which you have argued for two pages.

And yes, you have offered an excellent venue for discussion and deliberation.  As I have said over-and-over, I like adversity because it provides me with a platform on which to display the view from this side.

It is unfortunate that it was prompted by a deliberate attempt to mislead--based on a false equivalency to Trump's Duke endorsement--but thank goodness that we have the more cerebral minds over here.  

Eilzel wrote:Eds, I think if Trump had links to this guy no one would care. He was not a member of the KKK for decades before his death. It is not the same as Trump's refusal to disavow support from a current member. Surely you can see that?

Original Quill wrote:In fairness, Les, eddie is trying to set up a parallel with Clinton to the KKK (David Duke) endorsement of Donald Trump.  

She has found a clip of an old eulogy that Clinton gave at the funeral of an deceased Democrat, Sen. Robert Byrd, of West Virginia, who back in the 20’s or 30’s was a KKK member.  

Armed with the clip of this eulogy, ed’s message is that Clinton is “friends” with the KKK because she said some nice things about Byrd.  Before his death, Byrd publicly renounced and expressed regret over his association with the KKK.  

Nevertheless, it’s enough to get the rumors clicking.  It's typical RW lies and innuendo.

eddie wrote:Over here the liberal is the middle man. That's pretty much where I sit. Bang in the middle.
Some of the right, is right and some of the left, is right.

If you know what I mean

WASHINGTON — In what has become a poignant ritual during a fractious debate, Senator Robert C. Byrd, the 92-year-old Democrat from West Virginia, was pushed onto the Senate floor in his plaid wheelchair Wednesday afternoon. It was his third appearance of the week, each prompted by a vital vote.

There was Mr. Byrd, the longest-tenured senator in history, looking stately in a navy blue suit, waving his long wrist above his head to signal “aye” or thumbs down to say “nay.” He greeted a procession of colleagues paying respects in the Senate well — the Democratic leader, Harry Reid, patting him warmly on the arm, Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, shaking his hand and whispering something, Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, applauding his entry.

Earlier this week there were standing ovations, waves, hugs and the occasional moist eyes.

Senate Democrats need every one of their 60 votes to prevail in the donnybrook over a health care overhaul, and this week faced a series of cloture votes — required to end debate on the bill — to move the legislation ahead. That placed no small burden on the frail nonagenarian, who spent six weeks in the hospital last spring with a staph infection, and who did not deliver his customary Christmas address on the Senate floor this year.

Mr. Byrd, bundled in coat, scarf and hat, showed up to vote after a snowstorm late Sunday night and at the crack of dawn Tuesday, lending additional drama to his appearances. He is expected to be on the floor early Thursday for a final vote on the health care bill and on one that would provide an increase in the federal debt limit.

“When he comes onto the floor and the members cheer and his face lights up, it just makes our day,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York.

“We hope his strength holds out,” said Senator Frank R. Lautenberg, Democrat of New Jersey and the second-oldest member of the Senate at 85. “We see someone who is a giant and who is not as well as we would like to see him. It’s pretty tough, pretty tough. But Bob has a place here.”

Ensuring that Mr. Byrd takes that “place” on the floor at important times has been a preoccupation of the Senate’s Democratic leadership team. (Mr. Byrd has missed slightly more than 40 percent of roll call votes in 2009.) Aides say Mr. Reid informs Mr. Byrd’s office as early as possible about votes, and Mr. Byrd will then make the short elevator ride from his Capitol office to the Senate floor.

Mr. Byrd, whose wife of 68 years died in 2006, lives in McLean, Va., where he is attended by a live-in nurse. As the president pro tempore of the Senate (which places him third in the presidential line of succession), Mr. Byrd is provided a round-the-clock security detail from the United States Capitol Police, who ferry him to and from the Capitol.

veya_victaous wrote:@wolf
to be fair maybe all her facebook friends are Ubernationalists RW neocons and she just doesn't know...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Over here the liberal is the middle man. That's pretty much where I sit. Bang in the middle.
Some of the right, is right and some of the left, is right.

If you know what I mean

The people who preach orthodoxy, whether you're talking American gun nuts saying we can't pass new laws restricting firearms ownership, or Chinese communists insisting that every market reform makes Baby Karl Marx cry, are conservatives (according to the best research we have in neuroscience). The people willing and eager to try something new are liberals. It doesn't really matter what the policies are, since every policy ever dreamt of actually did or would work in a particular context and setting. It's the mentality -- when faced with adversity, conservatives say, "We just need to go back to the way things used to be," while liberals say, "We must have zigged when we should have zagged. Let's zag and see what happens."

It's really a question of liberal courage vs. conservative fear. Conservatives are always fearful of what might happen if we try something new; liberals are just curious

eddie wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@wolf
to be fair maybe all her facebook friends are Ubernationalists RW neocons and she just doesn't know...

@veya, quill and wolfie
I said I got it from Facebook but I didn't say it was from a friend - it was on the people's voice website or something like that...and I found the original link on YouTube (along with lots of others for Hilary Clinton)

It's fine when you pre-judge people becasue it rather makes me realise that you three sit in judgement of others, that sit in judgement of others and don't realise how hypocritical you sound.


Or you could ask Les: he sees my Facebook page every single day.  

Don't let facts get in the way of your narrow mindedness, old boys.

eddie wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@wolf
to be fair maybe all her facebook friends are Ubernationalists RW neocons and she just doesn't know...

@veya, quill and wolfie
I said I got it from Facebook but I didn't say it was from a friend - it was on the people's voice website or something like that...and I found the original link on YouTube (along with lots of others for Hilary Clinton)

It's fine when you pre-judge people becasue it rather makes me realise that you three sit in judgement of others, that sit in judgement of others and don't realise how hypocritical you sound.


Or you could ask Les: he sees my Facebook page every single day.  

Don't let facts get in the way of your narrow mindedness, old boys.

Eilzel wrote:Eds, it isn't thinking outside the box to compare Hilary's support of Byrd to Trump's reaction to Duke.

Nor is assuming that had it been the other way around the reaction would be different.

eddie wrote:Sorry missed this post Ben
I must be a liberal then as I am always open to new ways of doing things

And you know what Ben? It's why you call me a "conspiracy nut" - I don't think in the box and necessarily "believe because I'm told"

Btw, new ways of doing things also means "your own way of doing things" being independent in your one way of looking at something.

In that, the left winger and right winger are both rigid, narrow and stuck in the mud.