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Post by Independent Thoughts Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:37 pm

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:32 pm

Didge wrote:
korban dallas wrote:or do you prefer this way

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Still appalling to associate

The fact you fail and then are basically associating greed through food onto obese people failing in itself where the problem is with children starving. In the hands of corrupt governments, in fact you are getting them off the hook for allowing children to starve which to me is the real crime. Never equate two different problems and then associate them through greed wrongly and completely ignoring the root cause of the issue.

A picture of a starving child next to a corrupt leader living in luxury who has allowed this child to suffer, would be far more appropriate


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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:33 pm

Didge wrote:
sassy wrote:Socialism seems cool, until... - Page 2 Global13


Large Person, metaphor for:

fat cat
noun
informalderogatory
noun: fat cat; plural noun: fat cats; noun: fatcat; plural noun: fatcats; modifier noun: fat-cat

Small, dark, thin child

Metaphor for:

Those living at a subsistance level because of the wealth that has been taken by said 'fat cats'.


Honestly, some people like to parade their ignorance as if it is a flag they are proud to stand under.



Which proves my point you are associating obesity in children to rich people who are greedy

That is disgusting on every level

The left, champions of social injustices create a reason to back bullying of obese children

Go figure


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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:33 pm

Didge wrote:
aspca4ever wrote:
And yet again...derailing the thread from the original topic off into a 'WHAT IF' and only providing one OPINION about the chubby kid and ignoring that 'Wasting Human' and all of the medical diagnoses that could possibly cause that malady {sooo telling} so in fairness to the thin little kid:
Wasting Disease/AIDS/Osteoarthritis/Guillain-Barre Syndrome/Polymyositis and other infectious diseases that are picked up from putrid drinking water and other parasites!!!  But yet again --- those medical issues are NOT PART OF THIS TOPIC.  
Good Grief... 
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Again a failure to understand that obese children are often bullied through the view they are greedy
How on earth does the above photo help such a situation with such a disgusting metaphor, when the wrong is caused by corrupt governments or officials?
The metaphor is actually creating a second problem, providing bullies with a means to then bully obese children.
Are you not able to understand this.
Also please explain why and how those with true greed, those in power allowing them to starve are not show as the true nature of that greed?

So there is no evidence to any of your claims above other than more proof of your inability to move on.

So in your own time answer my points

Good luck

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:35 pm

Didge wrote:
Didge wrote:



Which proves my point you are associating obesity in children to rich people who are greedy

That is disgusting on every level

The left, champions of social injustices create a reason to back bullying of obese children

Go figure


No reasoned reply

No reasoned reply= Aka
Pick me Pick me Pick me ,me so smart ,everybody wrong

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:36 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:


No reasoned reply

No reasoned reply= Aka
Pick me Pick me Pick me ,me so smart ,everybody wrong

I am smart so thanks for admitting

Debate the points not the poster

Thanks, now

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:37 pm

Didge wrote:Nothing to do with bait

You just have no comprehension of children starving and also fail to see how the above is used to bully obese children


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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:39 pm

sassy wrote:Socialism seems cool, until... - Page 2 Global13


Large Person, metaphor for:

fat cat
noun
informalderogatory
noun: fat cat; plural noun: fat cats; noun: fatcat; plural noun: fatcats; modifier noun: fat-cat

Small, dark, thin child

Metaphor for:

Those living at a subsistance level because of the wealth that has been taken by said 'fat cats'.


Honestly, some people like to parade their ignorance as if it is a flag they are proud to stand under.

What if that chap has a disorder like Katie Price's son whereby he constantly craves food?
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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:40 pm

Indeed rags, they are opening up the door to justify bullying of obese children and fail to even see that they are

That is wrong on every level

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:41 pm

I do hope Vic takes up the problem of people continually trying to derail threads because they don't have the intelligence to discuss the actual concept of the OP.

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:43 pm

sassy wrote:I do hope Vic takes up the problem of people continually trying to derail threads because they don't have the intelligence to discuss the actual concept of the OP.


Who and what derailed anything????


Korben posted a very distasteful metaphor of which I have challenged.

If anything is then derailing its root cause is on the poster who posted that poor metaphor

So are you saying you want Korben chastised over nothing wrong but posting something he has not registered is in poor taste?

Just because he does not recognise that, does not mean he should be chastised

Stick to the topic, if you have an issue sassy then report it

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:44 pm

sassy wrote:I do hope Vic takes up the problem of people continually trying to derail threads because they don't have the intelligence to discuss the actual concept of the OP.

This is what you said in response to the pic.

I think KD, those two photos exhibit all that is wrong with the world.  Capitalist fat cats indulging their every want at the expense of the rest.

You're implying that some people overeat deliberately in order to deny others food. I don't think the fat chap is doing that, so it's not a very good comparison.
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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:46 pm

aspca4ever wrote:
IndependentThoughts wrote:As some of you pointed out, there were quite a few comments made in that linked news article.
One person made a partisan post that I felt could be equally applied to both parties (not just the Democrats, as the original author suggested):



Sorry to the Republicans and Democrats on this site but, if you voluntarily admit that you're either, the above quote describes your party and what you've signed up to tolerate (if not defend, in the case of some of you zealous followers).


Well, stated...and should we {the growing Independent Party} ever really have the ability to mold a perfect human that could/would be all things that our country is in dire need of --- what would that human look like and sound like? 

For me and my POV --- there's nothing on the remaining debate platforms that fits my ideology and TRUTH factors --- but it'll be yet again; a selection of the lesser of two evils and hope for the best.  Socialism seems cool, until... - Page 2 2190311264


How big is the movement for an Independent Party and how far has it progressed?   Not something that we hear a lot about.


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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:47 pm

sassy wrote:I do hope Vic takes up the problem of people continually trying to derail threads because they don't have the intelligence to discuss the actual concept of the OP.

DITTO...and should the issue about signatures ever get resolved {or not} this would make an excellent signature: open expression of opinions > > >

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I have ZERO doubt now {well, it was pretty much removed within days from joining up}  cheers

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:48 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:I do hope Vic takes up the problem of people continually trying to derail threads because they don't have the intelligence to discuss the actual concept of the OP.

This is what you said in response to the pic.

I think KD, those two photos exhibit all that is wrong with the world.  Capitalist fat cats indulging their every want at the expense of the rest.

You're implying that some people overeat deliberately in order to deny others food. I don't think the fat chap is doing that, so it's not a very good comparison.


I think the error has been recognised but sadly I doubt you will get that publicly as an admission that they have.

Anyway nobody has yet challenged my reasons on socialism being a failed concept


Socialism is a failed concept and never works in principle
It always takes away from people drive and ambition.
Thus incentive is taken away from people and they will become less productive.
This will also have an alternate effect on technological advancement, as people are then less driven by such industries to even bother to enter them as again there is little incentive other than the individual having such a love and passion for the relative field.

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:50 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:I do hope Vic takes up the problem of people continually trying to derail threads because they don't have the intelligence to discuss the actual concept of the OP.

This is what you said in response to the pic.

I think KD, those two photos exhibit all that is wrong with the world.  Capitalist fat cats indulging their every want at the expense of the rest.

You're implying that some people overeat deliberately in order to deny others food. I don't think the fat chap is doing that, so it's not a very good comparison.


You really like to show your ignorance.  FAT CAT does not refer to eating, it refers to using up all the resources of a country or area to the detriment of the inhabitants and/or workers.    Now discuss the actual topic or fuck off for crying out loud and stop parading your ignorance.  It's pathetic.

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:52 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

This is what you said in response to the pic.


You're implying that some people overeat deliberately in order to deny others food. I don't think the fat chap is doing that, so it's not a very good comparison.


You really like to show your ignorance.  FAT CAT does not refer to eating, it refers to using up all the resources of a country or area to the detriment of the inhabitants and/or workers.    Now discuss the actual topic or fuck off for crying out loud and stop parading your ignorance.  It's pathetic.


It most definitely does when you are speaking in regards to a poster showing an obese child eating next to starving child, after this was posted refering to the metaphor

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:53 pm

aspca4ever wrote:
sassy wrote:I do hope Vic takes up the problem of people continually trying to derail threads because they don't have the intelligence to discuss the actual concept of the OP.

DITTO...and should the issue about signatures ever get resolved {or not} this would make an excellent signature: open expression of opinions > > >

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I have ZERO doubt now {well, it was pretty much removed within days from joining up}  cheers


Sorry can you please keep on topic and if you have a problem then report it

Thank you

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:57 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

This is what you said in response to the pic.


You're implying that some people overeat deliberately in order to deny others food. I don't think the fat chap is doing that, so it's not a very good comparison.


You really like to show your ignorance.  FAT CAT does not refer to eating, it refers to using up all the resources of a country or area to the detriment of the inhabitants and/or workers.    Now discuss the actual topic or fuck off for crying out loud and stop parading your ignorance.  It's pathetic.

I know what a "fat cat" is, thank you. I don't think it's appropriate to use a fat person to make the point though because the fat person is not deliberately taking the food out of a non-fat person's mouth.
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aspca4ever wrote:
sassy wrote:I do hope Vic takes up the problem of people continually trying to derail threads because they don't have the intelligence to discuss the actual concept of the OP.

DITTO...and should the issue about signatures ever get resolved {or not} this would make an excellent signature: open expression of opinions > > >

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I have ZERO doubt now {well, it was pretty much removed within days from joining up}  cheers

You should perhaps apply that to yourself as you seem to open your mouth very loudly and talk rubbish at all times.
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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:05 pm

So anyway, the point of the OP was that socialists are all for rich people giving away their wealth until they win the lottery, yes?
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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:06 pm

Didge wrote:
sassy wrote:


You really like to show your ignorance.  FAT CAT does not refer to eating, it refers to using up all the resources of a country or area to the detriment of the inhabitants and/or workers.    Now discuss the actual topic or fuck off for crying out loud and stop parading your ignorance.  It's pathetic.


It most definitely does when you are speaking in regards to a poster showing an obese child eating next to starving child, after this was posted refering to the metaphor
What she said

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korban dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:


It most definitely does when you are speaking in regards to a poster showing an obese child eating next to starving child, after this was posted refering to the metaphor
What she said

Which proves you fail to see how you are endorsing bullying against obese children by associating them through such a poor metaphor

Try again

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:08 pm

sassy wrote:
aspca4ever wrote:
Well, stated...and should we {the growing Independent Party} ever really have the ability to mold a perfect human that could/would be all things that our country is in dire need of --- what would that human look like and sound like? 

For me and my POV --- there's nothing on the remaining debate platforms that fits my ideology and TRUTH factors --- but it'll be yet again; a selection of the lesser of two evils and hope for the best.  Socialism seems cool, until... - Page 2 2190311264
How big is the movement for an Independent Party and how far has it progressed?   Not something that we hear a lot about.

Here's where it started >>>

In 1968, the AIP Party nominated George C. Wallace as its presidential candidate and retired U.S. Air Force General Curtis E. LeMay as the vice-presidential candidate. Wallace ran on every state ballot in the 1968 presidential election, though he did not represent the American Independent Party in all fifty states: in Connecticut, for instance, he was listed on the ballot as the nominee of the "George Wallace Party." The Wallace/LeMay ticket received 13.5 percent of the popular vote and 46 electoral votes.
Then the GREAT DIVIDE happened >>>
In 1976, the American Independent Party split into the more moderate American Party, which included more northern conservatives and Schmitz supporters, and the American Independent Party, which focused on the Deep South. Both parties have nominated candidates for the presidency and other offices. Neither the American Party nor the American Independent Party has had national success, and the American Party has not achieved ballot status in any state since 1996.
In the early 1980s, Bill Shearer led the American Independent Party into the Populist Party. Since 1992, the American Independent Party has been the California affiliate of the national Constitution Party, formerly the U.S. Taxpayers Party, whose founders included the late Howard Phillips.
2008 leadership dispute
A split in the American Independent Party occurred during the 2008 presidential campaign, one faction recognizing Jim King as chairman of the AIP with the other recognizing Ed Noonan as chairman. Noonan's faction claims the old AIP main website while the King organization claims the AIP's blog. King's group met in Los Angeles on June 28–29, elected King to state chair. Ed Noonan's faction, which included 8 of the 17 AIP officers, held a convention in Sacramento on July 5, 2008. Issues in the split were U. S. foreign policy and the influence of Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips on the state party

AIP History - American Independent Party

www.aipca.org/history.html


Presidential Candidates

George Washington was the only president elected as an independent, as he was not formally affiliated with any party during his two terms.
John Tyler was expelled from the Whig Party in September 1841, and remained effectively an independent for the remainder of his presidency, later returning to the Democrats. He briefly sought re-election in 1844 as a National Democrat, but withdrew over fear he would split the Democratic vote.
Since 1900, notable candidates running as independents for U.S. president have included Republican Congressman John Anderson in 1980, Ross Perot in 1992, and former Green Party candidate Ralph Nader in the 2004 and 2008 elections.
In 2008, Nader formed Independent Parties in New Mexico, Delaware, and elsewhere to gain ballot access in several states. This strategy has been pursued by several other candidates for Federal races, including Joe Lieberman (Connecticut for Lieberman).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_(politician) [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=independent party registered members&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=independent party registered members&sc=0-24&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=540D57A8B9A045319BD7296C601FB098&ajf=100#][/url]

**A recent NBC poll confirms that the partisan political environment is, in fact, taking a toll on the two major parties, with voter registration revealing that self-identified independents are the fastest growing voting bloc in America.

NBC commentators coin it “the rise of an ‘independents’ era,” reporting that in 2014 the number of people self-identifying as independent was at 39 percent, passing that of Democrats (32 percent) and Republicans (23 percent). 
As of June 2015, the number of self-identifying independents has grown to 45 percent — just 2 points shy of the number of Democrats and Republicans COMBINED.
“The largest political party in the United States in no longer a party at all,” NBC commentator Chuck Todd reports. 
 http://ivn.us/2015/07/06/poll-independents-will-soon-outnumber-republicans-democrats-combined/

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and it appears that the recent disgust for the Republican {do nothing} party in charge and the 'Circus Car of Clowns' that make up the current GOP wanna-be's...the numbers will just keep growing.

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korban dallas wrote:
Didge wrote:


It most definitely does when you are speaking in regards to a poster showing an obese child eating next to starving child, after this was posted refering to the metaphor
What she said

And of course it would make perfect sense to have a picture of a skinny person as a metaphor for a FAT CAT, wouldn't it?  Well, it would if your middle name is dumb and your friends middle name is dumber! Sigh!

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:13 pm

sassy wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
What she said

And of course it would make perfect sense to have a picture of a skinny person as a metaphor for a FAT CAT, wouldn't it?  Well, it would if your middle name is dumb and your friends middle name is dumber! Sigh!

I don't think it's appropriate to imply that fat people who overeat are deliberately trying to gain some advantage from others being poor though.
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aspca4ever wrote:
sassy wrote:
How big is the movement for an Independent Party and how far has it progressed?   Not something that we hear a lot about.

Here's where it started >>>

In 1968, the AIP Party nominated George C. Wallace as its presidential candidate and retired U.S. Air Force General Curtis E. LeMay as the vice-presidential candidate. Wallace ran on every state ballot in the 1968 presidential election, though he did not represent the American Independent Party in all fifty states: in Connecticut, for instance, he was listed on the ballot as the nominee of the "George Wallace Party." The Wallace/LeMay ticket received 13.5 percent of the popular vote and 46 electoral votes.
Then the GREAT DIVIDE happened >>>
In 1976, the American Independent Party split into the more moderate American Party, which included more northern conservatives and Schmitz supporters, and the American Independent Party, which focused on the Deep South. Both parties have nominated candidates for the presidency and other offices. Neither the American Party nor the American Independent Party has had national success, and the American Party has not achieved ballot status in any state since 1996.
In the early 1980s, Bill Shearer led the American Independent Party into the Populist Party. Since 1992, the American Independent Party has been the California affiliate of the national Constitution Party, formerly the U.S. Taxpayers Party, whose founders included the late Howard Phillips.
2008 leadership dispute
A split in the American Independent Party occurred during the 2008 presidential campaign, one faction recognizing Jim King as chairman of the AIP with the other recognizing Ed Noonan as chairman. Noonan's faction claims the old AIP main website while the King organization claims the AIP's blog. King's group met in Los Angeles on June 28–29, elected King to state chair. Ed Noonan's faction, which included 8 of the 17 AIP officers, held a convention in Sacramento on July 5, 2008. Issues in the split were U. S. foreign policy and the influence of Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips on the state party

AIP History - American Independent Party



www.aipca.org/history.html


Presidential Candidates



George Washington was the only president elected as an independent, as he was not formally affiliated with any party during his two terms.
John Tyler was expelled from the Whig Party in September 1841, and remained effectively an independent for the remainder of his presidency, later returning to the Democrats. He briefly sought re-election in 1844 as a National Democrat, but withdrew over fear he would split the Democratic vote.
Since 1900, notable candidates running as independents for U.S. president have included Republican Congressman John Anderson in 1980, Ross Perot in 1992, and former Green Party candidate Ralph Nader in the 2004 and 2008 elections.
In 2008, Nader formed Independent Parties in New Mexico, Delaware, and elsewhere to gain ballot access in several states. This strategy has been pursued by several other candidates for Federal races, including Joe Lieberman (Connecticut for Lieberman).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_(politician) [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=independent party registered][/url]

**A recent NBC poll confirms that the partisan political environment is, in fact, taking a toll on the two major parties, with voter registration revealing that self-identified independents are the fastest growing voting bloc in America.

NBC commentators coin it “the rise of an ‘independents’ era,” reporting that in 2014 the number of people self-identifying as independent was at 39 percent, passing that of Democrats (32 percent) and Republicans (23 percent). 
As of June 2015, the number of self-identifying independents has grown to 45 percent — just 2 points shy of the number of Democrats and Republicans COMBINED.

“The largest political party in the United States in no longer a party at all,” NBC commentator Chuck Todd reports. 
 http://ivn.us/2015/07/06/poll-independents-will-soon-outnumber-republicans-democrats-combined/

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and it appears that the recent disgust for the Republican {do nothing} party in charge and the 'Circus Car of Clowns' that make up the current GOP wanna-be's...the numbers will just keep growing.

Ralph Nader was brilliant. 

If the party is that large, why don't we hear about it, is there a reason why they don't have a Presidential candidate?  Have you managed to get Senators and Congressmen elected?   Is the amount of money that has to be spent in the USA to get elected a problem?

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sassy wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
What she said

And of course it would make perfect sense to have a picture of a skinny person as a metaphor for a FAT CAT, wouldn't it?  Well, it would if your middle name is dumb and your friends middle name is dumber! Sigh!


No what would make perfect sense is to show a corrupt leader living in luxury next to a starving child

Not have a picture of an obese child which can then be used to bully obese children

Seriously the left champion now bullying of obese children

Go figure

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sassy wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
What she said

And of course it would make perfect sense to have a picture of a skinny person as a metaphor for a FAT CAT, wouldn't it?  Well, it would if your middle name is dumb and your friends middle name is dumber! Sigh!
Honestly there`s no point
i am just humouring him at this point

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korban dallas wrote:
sassy wrote:

And of course it would make perfect sense to have a picture of a skinny person as a metaphor for a FAT CAT, wouldn't it?  Well, it would if your middle name is dumb and your friends middle name is dumber! Sigh!
Honestly there`s no point
i am just humouring him at this point

Trouble is, they are too dumb to know they are being dumb, you couldn't make it up.

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Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

And of course it would make perfect sense to have a picture of a skinny person as a metaphor for a FAT CAT, wouldn't it?  Well, it would if your middle name is dumb and your friends middle name is dumber! Sigh!

I don't think it's appropriate to imply that fat people who overeat are deliberately trying to gain some advantage from others being poor though.


That is not what is being implied, but never mind, keep giving us a laugh at your expense.


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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:16 pm

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Honestly there`s no point
i am just humouring him at this point

Trouble is, they are too dumb to know they are being dumb, you couldn't make it up.

If you're including me in that, please stop with the insults and actually read what I'm saying re the metaphor not being suitable on this occasion.
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Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Trouble is, they are too dumb to know they are being dumb, you couldn't make it up.

If you're including me in that, please stop with the insults and actually read what I'm saying re the metaphor not being suitable on this occasion.

I did, that's why I said you were being dumb.

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sassy wrote:

And of course it would make perfect sense to have a picture of a skinny person as a metaphor for a FAT CAT, wouldn't it?  Well, it would if your middle name is dumb and your friends middle name is dumber! Sigh!
Honestly there`s no point
i am just humouring him at this point


Actually what is humorous is watching you run scared of answering my points

That says far more about you than it does me

Again can you not see how this could be used to justify bullying obese children?

Try again

You have one more attempt, then all can see your are gutless

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:18 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If you're including me in that, please stop with the insults and actually read what I'm saying re the metaphor not being suitable on this occasion.

I did, that's why I said you were being dumb.


So why is it none of you can answer the following


Again can you not see how this could be used to justify bullying obese children?

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Here's where it started >>>

In 1968, the AIP Party nominated George C. Wallace as its presidential candidate and retired U.S. Air Force General Curtis E. LeMay as the vice-presidential candidate. Wallace ran on every state ballot in the 1968 presidential election, though he did not represent the American Independent Party in all fifty states: in Connecticut, for instance, he was listed on the ballot as the nominee of the "George Wallace Party." The Wallace/LeMay ticket received 13.5 percent of the popular vote and 46 electoral votes.
Then the GREAT DIVIDE happened >>>
In 1976, the American Independent Party split into the more moderate American Party, which included more northern conservatives and Schmitz supporters, and the American Independent Party, which focused on the Deep South. Both parties have nominated candidates for the presidency and other offices. Neither the American Party nor the American Independent Party has had national success, and the American Party has not achieved ballot status in any state since 1996.
In the early 1980s, Bill Shearer led the American Independent Party into the Populist Party. Since 1992, the American Independent Party has been the California affiliate of the national Constitution Party, formerly the U.S. Taxpayers Party, whose founders included the late Howard Phillips.
2008 leadership dispute
A split in the American Independent Party occurred during the 2008 presidential campaign, one faction recognizing Jim King as chairman of the AIP with the other recognizing Ed Noonan as chairman. Noonan's faction claims the old AIP main website while the King organization claims the AIP's blog. King's group met in Los Angeles on June 28–29, elected King to state chair. Ed Noonan's faction, which included 8 of the 17 AIP officers, held a convention in Sacramento on July 5, 2008. Issues in the split were U. S. foreign policy and the influence of Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips on the state party

AIP History - American Independent Party





www.aipca.org/history.html


Presidential Candidates





George Washington was the only president elected as an independent, as he was not formally affiliated with any party during his two terms.
John Tyler was expelled from the Whig Party in September 1841, and remained effectively an independent for the remainder of his presidency, later returning to the Democrats. He briefly sought re-election in 1844 as a National Democrat, but withdrew over fear he would split the Democratic vote.
Since 1900, notable candidates running as independents for U.S. president have included Republican Congressman John Anderson in 1980, Ross Perot in 1992, and former Green Party candidate Ralph Nader in the 2004 and 2008 elections.
In 2008, Nader formed Independent Parties in New Mexico, Delaware, and elsewhere to gain ballot access in several states. This strategy has been pursued by several other candidates for Federal races, including Joe Lieberman (Connecticut for Lieberman).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_(politician) [url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=independent party registered][/url]

**A recent NBC poll confirms that the partisan political environment is, in fact, taking a toll on the two major parties, with voter registration revealing that self-identified independents are the fastest growing voting bloc in America.

NBC commentators coin it “the rise of an ‘independents’ era,” reporting that in 2014 the number of people self-identifying as independent was at 39 percent, passing that of Democrats (32 percent) and Republicans (23 percent). 
As of June 2015, the number of self-identifying independents has grown to 45 percent — just 2 points shy of the number of Democrats and Republicans COMBINED.

“The largest political party in the United States in no longer a party at all,” NBC commentator Chuck Todd reports. 
 http://ivn.us/2015/07/06/poll-independents-will-soon-outnumber-republicans-democrats-combined/

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and it appears that the recent disgust for the Republican {do nothing} party in charge and the 'Circus Car of Clowns' that make up the current GOP wanna-be's...the numbers will just keep growing.

Ralph Nader was brilliant. 

If the party is that large, why don't we hear about it, is there a reason why they don't have a Presidential candidate?  Have you managed to get Senators and Congressmen elected?   Is the amount of money that has to be spent in the USA to get elected a problem?


Back to the actual topic.

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:19 pm

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I don't think it's appropriate to imply that fat people who overeat are deliberately trying to gain some advantage from others being poor though.


That is not what is being implied, but never mind, keep giving us a laugh at your expense.



Again can you not see how this could be used to justify bullying obese children?

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:20 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think it's appropriate to imply that fat people who overeat are deliberately trying to gain some advantage from others being poor though.


That is not what is being implied, but never mind, keep giving us a laugh at your expense.

Well that's clearly what you did think it was implying, otherwise you wouldn't have said this:

I think KD, those two photos exhibit all that is wrong with the world. Capitalist fat cats indulging their every want at the expense of the rest.

The chap eating is suppose to represent a capitalist "fat cat" yes, and he's eating that food at the expense of others who are starving. He's not doing that deliberately though is he?

Who is this "us" you're referring to? Your tag team?
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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:21 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

If you're including me in that, please stop with the insults and actually read what I'm saying re the metaphor not being suitable on this occasion.

I did, that's why I said you were being dumb.

There's no need to resort to insults just because you were implying that fat people are deliberately taking food from others in order to be greedy.
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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:21 pm

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sassy wrote:


That is not what is being implied, but never mind, keep giving us a laugh at your expense.

Well that's clearly what you did think it was implying, otherwise you wouldn't have said this:

I think KD, those two photos exhibit all that is wrong with the world.  Capitalist fat cats indulging their every want at the expense of the rest.

The chap eating is suppose to represent a capitalist "fat cat" yes, and he's eating that food at the expense of others who are starving. He's not doing that deliberately though is he?

Who is this "us" you're referring to? Your tag team?



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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:23 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:


That is not what is being implied, but never mind, keep giving us a laugh at your expense.

Well that's clearly what you did think it was implying, otherwise you wouldn't have said this:

I think KD, those two photos exhibit all that is wrong with the world.  Capitalist fat cats indulging their every want at the expense of the rest.

The chap eating is suppose to represent a capitalist "fat cat" yes, and he's eating that food at the expense of others who are starving. He's not doing that deliberately though is he?

Who is this "us" you're referring to? Your tag team?


Jesus Christ on a Bike!!!!   THE FAT MAN IS A METAPHOR FOR FAT INDUSTRIES WHO GET THAT WHY BY USING UP ALL THE RESOURCES IN A LAND WHILE THEY LEAVE THE DREGS TO OTHERS.  IT IS NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAN.   DO YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT METAPHORS?   DON'T BOTHER ANSWER, IT'S BLOODY OBVIOUS.

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:24 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well that's clearly what you did think it was implying, otherwise you wouldn't have said this:



The chap eating is suppose to represent a capitalist "fat cat" yes, and he's eating that food at the expense of others who are starving. He's not doing that deliberately though is he?

Who is this "us" you're referring to? Your tag team?


Jesus Christ on a Bike!!!!   THE FAT MAN IS A METAPHOR FOR FAT INDUSTRIES WHO GET THAT WHY BY USING UP ALL THE RESOURCES IN A LAND WHILE THEY LEAVE THE DREGS TO OTHERS.  IT IS NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAN.   DO YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT METAPHORS?   DON'T BOTHER ANSWER, IT'S BLOODY OBVIOUS.



Yes it is implying in regards to associating people obese with greed, as a person you state is "fat" can be claimed to over indulge and can be claimed to be greedy and has been used so many times to do so to bully people

Its a disgusting metaphor to associate obese people as you are doing now by classing them as fat and not obese

If you said that in the work place you would be sacked

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:26 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well that's clearly what you did think it was implying, otherwise you wouldn't have said this:



The chap eating is suppose to represent a capitalist "fat cat" yes, and he's eating that food at the expense of others who are starving. He's not doing that deliberately though is he?

Who is this "us" you're referring to? Your tag team?


Jesus Christ on a Bike!!!!   THE FAT MAN IS A METAPHOR FOR FAT INDUSTRIES WHO GET THAT WHY BY USING UP ALL THE RESOURCES IN A LAND WHILE THEY LEAVE THE DREGS TO OTHERS.  IT IS NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAN.   DO YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT METAPHORS?   DON'T BOTHER ANSWER, IT'S BLOODY OBVIOUS.

It's not appropriate though because the fat man isn't eating that stuff in order to take it away from others.
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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:27 pm

No wonder it is never possible to have a decent discussion on here when you get no-nothing knob heads continuously derailing threads because of their own agenda.

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:28 pm

Obesity is not a Metaphor
Using a fat person to represent greed, over-consumption, a negative view of capitalism etc. is stereotyping and bigotry, pure and simple.  It’s wrong on every level.  We are not yours for the metaphoring.
While we’re at it, let’s talk about Size Acceptance.




https://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/things-obesity-isnt/





I expect an apology from the 3 socialists who just proved they are bigots

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:


Jesus Christ on a Bike!!!!   THE FAT MAN IS A METAPHOR FOR FAT INDUSTRIES WHO GET THAT WHY BY USING UP ALL THE RESOURCES IN A LAND WHILE THEY LEAVE THE DREGS TO OTHERS.  IT IS NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAN.   DO YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT METAPHORS?   DON'T BOTHER ANSWER, IT'S BLOODY OBVIOUS.

It's not appropriate though because the fat man isn't eating that stuff in order to take it away from others.


IT'S A VISUAL MANIFESTATION OF THE WORD FAT AND THAT IS ALL IS IT.  FUCKS SAKE!


Another bloody thread down the drain because the trolls jumped in.

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sassy wrote:No wonder it is never possible to have a decent discussion on here when you get no-nothing knob heads continuously derailing threads because of their own agenda.

I don't have an agenda. I started off by disagreeing with Didge that the image wasn't aimed at people with disorders which make them fat, and it went on from there. You're getting in a temper over nothing.
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Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:29 pm

Obesity is not a Metaphor
Using a fat person to represent greed, over-consumption, a negative view of capitalism etc. is stereotyping and bigotry, pure and simple.  It’s wrong on every level.  We are not yours for the metaphoring.
While we’re at it, let’s talk about Size Acceptance.




https://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/things-obesity-isnt/





I expect an apology from the 3 socialists who just proved they are bigots

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Post by Raggamuffin Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:31 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not appropriate though because the fat man isn't eating that stuff in order to take it away from others.


IT'S A VISUAL MANIFESTATION OF THE WORD FAT AND THAT IS ALL IS IT.  FUCKS SAKE!


Another bloody thread down the drain because the trolls jumped in.

Do I need to remind you yet again of what you said in response to it? Here goes:

I think KD, those two photos exhibit all that is wrong with the world. Capitalist fat cats indulging their every want at the expense of the rest.

You clearly implied that fat people who overeat are doing so because they want to take food away from others. That is not the case.
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sassy wrote:No wonder it is never possible to have a decent discussion on here when you get no-nothing knob heads continuously derailing threads because of their own agenda.
As long as didges poo wants to be the fountain of all knowledge and arbiter of every fact opinion or indeed metaphor on almost every topic imaginable











i doubt it

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