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Post by HoratioTarr Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:30 pm

...after being raped!   Jeez!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/calais-jungle-refugee-children-being-raped-in-camp-aid-workers-claim-a6912711.html
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Post by Guest Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:31 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:...after being raped!   Jeez!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/calais-jungle-refugee-children-being-raped-in-camp-aid-workers-claim-a6912711.html


WE should open our doors to the children and should have done ages ago do you not think?

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:37 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:...after being raped!   Jeez!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/calais-jungle-refugee-children-being-raped-in-camp-aid-workers-claim-a6912711.html


New plan to try and help them, poor kids:


Stars sign up as buddies to help Calais children reunite with UK families
Jude Law and Benedict Cumberbatch among celebrities to sponsor child refugees as their ‘buddy’, pay legal costs and urge authorities to give them safe passage


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Jude Law (centre) speaks during a visit to the ‘Jungle’ migrant camp in Calais on 21 February to draw attention to the plight of refugees facing imminent eviction. Photograph: Philippe Huguen/AFP/Getty Images  

Jude Law, Dominic West and Benedict Cumberbatch are among a group of prominent actors and public figures who will each sponsor an unaccompanied child living in the migrant camp in Calais, to help reunite them with their families in the UK.
The celebrities, including musician and producer Brian Eno, actor Juliet Stevenson and Michael Morpugo, the children’s author, have each signed up to a buddy system, to support unaccompanied minors in the “Jungle” migrant camp with UK links.
They have agreed to visit them in France or their families in the UK, to contribute towards their legal and humanitarian costs and to urge the British and French governments to provide safe passage for all unaccompanied children.
Speaking from Calais, Stevenson said the buddy scheme was a “brilliant idea”.
“Each person is responsible for this one child and can bring pressure to bear on the government,” said Stevenson.
The actor described the eviction of migrants by the French authorities this week as “brutal and horrific”, but said she hoped the spotlight on the camp’s demolition would be a catalyst for action, as it has drawn attention to the plight of minors. “The great fear is that kids will go off the radar and be subjected to traffickers and exposed to all sorts of dangers,” she said.

Stevenson will deliver a double-decker bus she bought on ebay for £5500 to the camp’s children’s centre on Friday, after hearing from volunteers working with minors that it might make a good mobile home.




Citizens UK has estimated that 150 children in the camp have a legal right to reunite with their families in the UK. The charity currently has 70 active cases with children in Calais, and estimates that there are another 80 who would qualify for family reunion.
The buddy scheme initiative – organised by a collaboration of refugee organisations including Citizens UK, Help Refugees and Good Chance Calais – was announced after President François Hollande called on the UK government to speed up the process of reuniting unaccompanied minors with their families in Britain.
Hollande said on Thursday that if children in Calais had UK families they “should go to the United Kingdom quickly and efficiently”.
The “Jungle” shantytown, which houses up to 3,500 refugees and migrants trying to reach the UK, is being partially dismantled by French authorities following an order from the French prefecture. Some of the wooden shacks housing children have already been destroyed.
Earlier this year, four Syrian refugees were admitted to the UK by order of the British courts, a move thought to set a limited precedent and raise hopes a couple of hundred minors with families in the UK could also be admitted.
Refugee groups warned that due to the evictions at the camp this week minors were more at risk because they were harder to reach.
Major Nick Coke, of Raynes Park Salvation Army and Citizens UK, said: “With evictions beginning in earnest and these minors’ homes being demolished we must act urgently to ensure these children are not lost, scattered across northern France and away from the humanitarian protection they need and the legal support they require to reunite with their loved ones.”
Josie Naughton of Help Refugees said: “No human should have to endure the awful conditions of the Calais ‘Jungle’ let alone children who have loving homes to go to. We welcome the buddies to our team and are grateful for their assistance in helping us provide humanitarian aid to these children while they wait for reunification or proper protection from the authorities.”
A statement on behalf of the celebrities said: “We call on the British and French authorities to immediately make provisions for the safe passage of all the unaccompanied minors and refugee children identified by Citizens UK with verified family connections to Britain.
“These children have a full legal right to reunite with their loved ones. It is unacceptable that they are left in danger and distress for administrative convenience. The system established to reunite these families must either be set aside, or made to work as a matter of extreme urgency.
“We are each buddying with one unaccompanied minor to ensure that they receive the humanitarian support they need and to personally insist that both governments honour their obligations to these children.”
Law and Cumberbatch were among 145 figures who signed a letter to David Cameron last month, urging him to take action to postpone the demolition of part of the Calais camp, until the unaccompanied minors are either given full child protection within the French system or reunited with families in the UK.
Those who have signed up to the buddy system include actors Gillian Anderson, Stephen Daldry, Laura Bailey, authors Ali Smith and Andrew O’Hagan, journalist and television presenters Mariella Frostrup and Mark Cousins, comedian Shappi Khorsandi, and Sir Christopher Bland, former ITV deputy chairman.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/03/hollywood-stars-to-help-calais-children-reunite-with-uk-families

My OH, not the most left wing person in the world, was spitting blood by the end of the news tonight.  FFS, he said, we are all bloody human beings, we all deserve a decent life!



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Post by HoratioTarr Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:43 pm

sassy wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:...after being raped!   Jeez!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/calais-jungle-refugee-children-being-raped-in-camp-aid-workers-claim-a6912711.html


New plan to try and help them, poor kids:


Stars sign up as buddies to help Calais children reunite with UK families
Jude Law and Benedict Cumberbatch among celebrities to sponsor child refugees as their ‘buddy’, pay legal costs and urge authorities to give them safe passage


Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 4800
Jude Law (centre) speaks during a visit to the ‘Jungle’ migrant camp in Calais on 21 February to draw attention to the plight of refugees facing imminent eviction. Photograph: Philippe Huguen/AFP/Getty Images  

Jude Law, Dominic West and Benedict Cumberbatch are among a group of prominent actors and public figures who will each sponsor an unaccompanied child living in the migrant camp in Calais, to help reunite them with their families in the UK.
The celebrities, including musician and producer Brian Eno, actor Juliet Stevenson and Michael Morpugo, the children’s author, have each signed up to a buddy system, to support unaccompanied minors in the “Jungle” migrant camp with UK links.
They have agreed to visit them in France or their families in the UK, to contribute towards their legal and humanitarian costs and to urge the British and French governments to provide safe passage for all unaccompanied children.
Speaking from Calais, Stevenson said the buddy scheme was a “brilliant idea”.
“Each person is responsible for this one child and can bring pressure to bear on the government,” said Stevenson.
The actor described the eviction of migrants by the French authorities this week as “brutal and horrific”, but said she hoped the spotlight on the camp’s demolition would be a catalyst for action, as it has drawn attention to the plight of minors. “The great fear is that kids will go off the radar and be subjected to traffickers and exposed to all sorts of dangers,” she said.

Stevenson will deliver a double-decker bus she bought on ebay for £5500 to the camp’s children’s centre on Friday, after hearing from volunteers working with minors that it might make a good mobile home.




Citizens UK has estimated that 150 children in the camp have a legal right to reunite with their families in the UK. The charity currently has 70 active cases with children in Calais, and estimates that there are another 80 who would qualify for family reunion.
The buddy scheme initiative – organised by a collaboration of refugee organisations including Citizens UK, Help Refugees and Good Chance Calais – was announced after President François Hollande called on the UK government to speed up the process of reuniting unaccompanied minors with their families in Britain.
Hollande said on Thursday that if children in Calais had UK families they “should go to the United Kingdom quickly and efficiently”.
The “Jungle” shantytown, which houses up to 3,500 refugees and migrants trying to reach the UK, is being partially dismantled by French authorities following an order from the French prefecture. Some of the wooden shacks housing children have already been destroyed.
Earlier this year, four Syrian refugees were admitted to the UK by order of the British courts, a move thought to set a limited precedent and raise hopes a couple of hundred minors with families in the UK could also be admitted.
Refugee groups warned that due to the evictions at the camp this week minors were more at risk because they were harder to reach.
Major Nick Coke, of Raynes Park Salvation Army and Citizens UK, said: “With evictions beginning in earnest and these minors’ homes being demolished we must act urgently to ensure these children are not lost, scattered across northern France and away from the humanitarian protection they need and the legal support they require to reunite with their loved ones.”
Josie Naughton of Help Refugees said: “No human should have to endure the awful conditions of the Calais ‘Jungle’ let alone children who have loving homes to go to. We welcome the buddies to our team and are grateful for their assistance in helping us provide humanitarian aid to these children while they wait for reunification or proper protection from the authorities.”
A statement on behalf of the celebrities said: “We call on the British and French authorities to immediately make provisions for the safe passage of all the unaccompanied minors and refugee children identified by Citizens UK with verified family connections to Britain.
“These children have a full legal right to reunite with their loved ones. It is unacceptable that they are left in danger and distress for administrative convenience. The system established to reunite these families must either be set aside, or made to work as a matter of extreme urgency.
“We are each buddying with one unaccompanied minor to ensure that they receive the humanitarian support they need and to personally insist that both governments honour their obligations to these children.”
Law and Cumberbatch were among 145 figures who signed a letter to David Cameron last month, urging him to take action to postpone the demolition of part of the Calais camp, until the unaccompanied minors are either given full child protection within the French system or reunited with families in the UK.
Those who have signed up to the buddy system include actors Gillian Anderson, Stephen Daldry, Laura Bailey, authors Ali Smith and Andrew O’Hagan, journalist and television presenters Mariella Frostrup and Mark Cousins, comedian Shappi Khorsandi, and Sir Christopher Bland, former ITV deputy chairman.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/03/hollywood-stars-to-help-calais-children-reunite-with-uk-families

My OH, not the most left wing person in the world, was spitting blood by the end of the news tonight.  FFS, he said, we are all bloody human beings, we all deserve a decent life!




I don't disagree.   But the sheer numbers of people are making it nigh impossible to protect the really vulnerable ones.  Makes you wonder how many are going unreported.
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Post by Guest Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:46 pm

Again would any of them been raped, if we had done the right thing in the first place and open the doors for all refugee children?

The simple answer is no and thus Britain and France shares a responsibility of blame for this fiasco

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:03 am

well, you know, I've had a think about this...

we should let ALL te migrants and refugees in ...all 6 million of them , from all across europe and those stranded in greece/macedonia

the whole lot.


I would build a new city of 6 million odd housing units, with all the necessary facilties to house them. I would find them work through compulsary requirements on all businesses within 25 miles of the city,

The only restriction would be that untill "processed" and fully "reorientated" they could not go more than 25 miles from the city...

and I'd put it HERE 51.2372534 0.7085234
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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:04 am

Its expenses, as a city would of course be the responsibility of the local authority
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:05 am

Lord Foul wrote:well, you know, I've had a think about this...

we should let ALL te migrants and refugees in ...all 6 million of them , from all across europe and those stranded in greece/macedonia

the whole lot.


I would build a new city of 6 million odd housing units, with all the necessary facilties to house them. I would find them work through compulsary requirements on all businesses within 25 miles of the city,

The only restriction would be that untill "processed" and fully "reorientated" they could not go more than 25 miles from the city...

and I'd put it HERE   51.2372534   0.7085234


No we should have let in unaccompanied children, which was brought up some time back

What ever your views victor, children are a priority

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:17 am

Lord Foul wrote:well, you know, I've had a think about this...

we should let ALL te migrants and refugees in ...all 6 million of them , from all across europe and those stranded in greece/macedonia

the whole lot.


I would build a new city of 6 million odd housing units, with all the necessary facilties to house them. I would find them work through compulsary requirements on all businesses within 25 miles of the city,

The only restriction would be that untill "processed" and fully "reorientated" they could not go more than 25 miles from the city...

and I'd put it HERE   51.2372534   0.7085234


Why there in particular lol, it's rather specific.


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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:18 am

true...but come on make up your mind ...only yesterday you were arguing for an open door.... Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264

one question...what sort of numbers are we talking about (in terms of the kids?)
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:20 am

Lord Foul wrote:true...but come on make up your mind ...only yesterday you were arguing for an open door.... Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264

one question...what sort of numbers are we talking about (in terms of the kids?)


About 500

150 of whom have a legal right to stay in UK but it is taking a ludicrous amount of time to process and they are stuck in the meantime.  Some are disabled, with older brothers/sisters looking after them.

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:21 am

Lord Foul wrote:true...but come on make up your mind ...only yesterday you were arguing for an open door.... Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264

one question...what sort of numbers are we talking about (in terms of the kids?)

Wrong, an open door means no checks and yes i am all for more people coming but with proper checks, as we need them and that means the country needs to adapt its infrastructure to do so. Again the issue of the age imbalance is not going to go away

Not sure on numbers several hundred, maybe a couple of thousand, what does numbers matter when their safety is a priority?

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:25 am

sassy wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:well, you know, I've had a think about this...

we should let ALL te migrants and refugees in ...all 6 million of them , from all across europe and those stranded in greece/macedonia

the whole lot.


I would build a new city of 6 million odd housing units, with all the necessary facilties to house them. I would find them work through compulsary requirements on all businesses within 25 miles of the city,

The only restriction would be that untill "processed" and fully "reorientated" they could not go more than 25 miles from the city...

and I'd put it HERE   51.2372534   0.7085234


Why there in particular lol, it's rather specific.


Victor, you were not going to put them in Lenham Storage were you?

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:28 am

well...the numbers matter in as much as ...where you going to put em??

most local authorities cant cope with the kids we have that need help, they are desperate for foster parents, and no volunteers (hardly surprising considering the way the services treat would be foster carers...)

dunno what could be done to change that.....or where the money to change its going to come from since camergoon et al is determined to strangle LA's to death.... scratch

YES it SHOULD be found...but from where?
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:30 am

Lord Foul wrote:well...the numbers matter in as much as ...where you going to put em??

most local authorities cant cope with the kids we have that need help, they are desperate for foster parents, and no volunteers (hardly surprising considering the way the services treat would be foster carers...)

dunno what could be done to change that.....or where the money to change its going to come from since camergoon et al is determined to strangle LA's to death.... scratch

YES it SHOULD be found...but from where?


Numbers do not matter when it comes to helping children by allowing them sanctuary.

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:31 am

sassy wrote:
sassy wrote:


Why there in particular lol, it's rather specific.


Victor, you were not going to put them in Lenham Storage were you?

nah..I said, build a whole new city.... its convenient for the point of entry, theres nowt round there of any great significance, its under urbanised...

do the area a whole world of good, more empolyment, more employees what could possibly go wrong? Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:33 am

Lord Foul wrote:
sassy wrote:


Victor, you were not going to put them in Lenham Storage were you?

nah..I said, build a whole new city.... its convenient for the point of entry, theres nowt round there of any great significance, its under urbanised...

do the area a whole world of good, more empolyment, more employees  what could possibly go wrong? Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264


If its Lenham you are talking about where I work, there is plans to build 5,000 new homes

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:33 am

Lord Foul wrote:
sassy wrote:


Victor, you were not going to put them in Lenham Storage were you?

nah..I said, build a whole new city.... its convenient for the point of entry, theres nowt round there of any great significance, its under urbanised...

do the area a whole world of good, more empolyment, more employees  what could possibly go wrong? Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264


It's a plan Victor, better than were they are.

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:37 am

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:well...the numbers matter in as much as ...where you going to put em??

most local authorities cant cope with the kids we have that need help, they are desperate for foster parents, and no volunteers (hardly surprising considering the way the services treat would be foster carers...)

dunno what could be done to change that.....or where the money to change its going to come from since camergoon et al is determined to strangle LA's to death.... scratch

YES it SHOULD be found...but from where?


Numbers do not matter when it comes to helping children by allowing them sanctuary.

yes...but ...where is this "magic money pot"?

as I said...it SHOULD be found....BUT...........

as merkel famously said less than a year ago "we can do it"...erm...suddenly its "actually....really...we cant erm...help"

we know whats "moral"...but...there is that little word called practical

you cant take in "however many" then suddenly find that all you can do is give each kid half the help it needs......its all or nothing ...you either help or dont...you cant "half help"
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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:39 am

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:

nah..I said, build a whole new city.... its convenient for the point of entry, theres nowt round there of any great significance, its under urbanised...

do the area a whole world of good, more empolyment, more employees  what could possibly go wrong? Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264


If its Lenham you are talking about where I work, there is plans to build 5,000 new homes
well I'm sure you wouldnt mind another 5,995,000
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:41 am

Lord Foul wrote:
Didge wrote:


Numbers do not matter when it comes to helping children by allowing them sanctuary.

yes...but ...where is this "magic money pot"?

as I said...it SHOULD be found....BUT...........

as merkel famously said less than a year ago "we can do it"...erm...suddenly its "actually....really...we cant erm...help"

we know whats "moral"...but...there is that little word called practical

you cant take in "however many" then suddenly find that all you can do is give each kid half the help it needs......its all or nothing ...you either help or dont...you cant "half help"


From us the UK people

Seriously you care more about money than the safety and sanctuary of children

wow

They are children, that matters most

We help not half help and we pay to help, there is no reason not to help and do not give me any excuses about wrongs already here when that should also be resolved, this country is rich enough to help

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:48 am

how...do you propose to raise this money from "the people"

more benefit cuts?

increased taxation?

perhaps 10 on the bottom rate

or 5% on vat

or what?

we are...apparantly skint as a nation so our revered leaders tell us

so the only resource is literally the pockets of the people...and you know as well as I do whos pockets that will be...
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:51 am

Lord Foul wrote:how...do you propose to raise this money from "the people"

more benefit cuts?

increased taxation?

perhaps 10 on the bottom rate

or 5% on vat

or what?

we are...apparantly skint as a nation so our revered leaders tell us

so the only resource is literally the pockets of the people...and you know as well as I do whos pockets that will be...


We are not skint and people have money

I suggest raising the money through charities like when we do children in need.

Do a day event and cooperate through charities

Thus no need to raise any taxes, its based on the good nature of people to offer help, which this country excels at

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:53 am

and I dont think ANY politicain would dare to or indeed could sell those ideas to the population.

it would be political suicide

there is ONE way I think it could be done.....

remove the tax exempt status of religious bodies...let them contribute something to society, instead of whinging from the sidelines
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:56 am

Lord Foul wrote:and I dont think ANY politicain would dare to or indeed could sell those ideas to the population.

it would be political suicide

there is ONE way I think it could be done.....

remove the tax exempt status of religious bodies...let them contribute something to society, instead of whinging from the sidelines


First point subjective based on your views not mine. Where I think you would be wrong and that people knowing the plight of these children and a special event day for them would raise millions for them. Bring them here and find them adopted parents, which then helps also with the costs

I agree on yous last point and think this should have been done long ago and then that money is pooled to help the homeless for example

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:02 am

Didge wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:how...do you propose to raise this money from "the people"

more benefit cuts?

increased taxation?

perhaps 10 on the bottom rate

or 5% on vat

or what?

we are...apparantly skint as a nation so our revered leaders tell us

so the only resource is literally the pockets of the people...and you know as well as I do whos pockets that will be...


We are not skint and people have money


that is the same view king john and the sherrif of nottingham had.....

I suggest raising the money through charities like when we do children in need.

Do a day event and cooperate through charities

ask people to donate money to their local authority funds, yeah right thats going to work....

when most people trust the fiscal propriety of local authorities about as much as they trust pinocchios word???

still I suppose it could be done with adequate and guaranteed oversight from an independant say "tax payers" pannel Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264


Thus no need to raise any taxes, its based on the good nature of people to offer help, which this country excels at
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:04 am

1) Bullshit, you have watched too many films and again clearly do not realise people do have money

2) No i said to charities and through an event like "Children in Need"

3) So you are again barking up the wrong tree

4) Money when people know their plight and the country coordinated a special event would see people dig into their pockets

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:12 am

Didge wrote:1) Bullshit, you have watched too many films and again clearly do not realise people do have money

some people have "spare money"

2)  No i said to charities and through an event like "Children in Need"

3) So you are again barking up the wrong tree


no I'm not, ultimately the money has to end up in LA's coffers...becasue they are the ones that would have to take the kids on

4) Money when people know their plight and the country coordinated a special event would see people dig into their pockets

however, given that sassy recons about 500 there really there shouldnt be a problem, there are 433 local authorities...so thats one or two each ... Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264 insignificant really...

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:16 am

Lord Foul wrote:
Didge wrote:1) Bullshit, you have watched too many films and again clearly do not realise people do have money

some people have "spare money"

2)  No i said to charities and through an event like "Children in Need"

3) So you are again barking up the wrong tree


no I'm not, ultimately the money has to end up in LA's coffers...becasue they are the ones that would have to take the kids on

4) Money when people know their plight and the country coordinated a special event would see people dig into their pockets

however, given that sassy recons about 500 there really there shouldnt be a problem, there are 433 local authorities...so thats one or two each ... Calais Jungle Refugee Children Needing Surgery 2190311264  insignificant really...



They would temporarily take care of the kids until homes were found for them.

Last point, there you go, now you are reasoning... Laughing


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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:23 am

well Didge , thinking about it they could send all 500 to sevenoaks....one of the richest towns in britain (apparantly)

I dont suppose the denizens of sevenoaks would notice £100 on their council tax.. Laughing

actually, (and I don't know, which is why I'm asking) where would these kids be placed...where would homes be found for em? I always thought there was a problem homing kids from some groups...are Muslims any better/worse than anyone else when it comes to this???
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:29 am

In bed on phone. Just to say 150 of them have family here waiting for them

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:31 am

They are already in France which is a safe enough country for anyone!


And they have travelled through numerous other safe countries to get there too!


They are economic migrants and illegal immigrants just playing the refugee card to try to achieve their aims...





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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:33 am

oh shurrup tommy

I doubt the kids know WHAT an economic migrant IS let alone playing any sort of "card"
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:38 am

Bollocks!



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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:39 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Bollocks!





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Post by Guest Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:40 am

Lord Foul wrote:well Didge , thinking about it they could send all 500 to sevenoaks....one of the richest towns in britain (apparantly)

I dont suppose the denizens of sevenoaks would notice £100 on their council tax.. Laughing

actually, (and I don't know, which is why I'm asking)  where would these kids be placed...where would homes be found for em? I always thought there was a problem homing kids from some groups...are Muslims any better/worse than anyone else when it comes to this???



West Malling is much nicer, though both are rich areas.

lol I doubt that would make much of a dent in their income

Many do get placed victor from what I understand, as there is not many actually in resident care homes

lol not tired enough yet for sleep   Laughing

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