The Holocaust started with words, not mass killings - Words are being used the same way in the Run up to the Presidential Election

In 1930s Germany, Nazi Party leaders understood the power of mass communication to disseminate hatred and anti-Semitism. “Propaganda,” Hitler wrote, “is a truly terrible weapon in the hands of an expert.” In their rise to power, the Nazis deployed sophisticated modern communications technologies, including radio and film, to win the battle of ideas — and thus to shape public opinion and behaviour — among a well-educated population in a fledgling democracy. The Nazis are gone but propaganda lives on, and its potential is deadlier than ever. As we commemorate the 71st anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau today, extremist groups around the globe wield new technologies to incite hatred and perpetrate new mass killings and genocides.

That’s why Unesco has decided to base this year’s International Day of Commemoration on the theme ‘From Words to Genocide: Anti-Semitic Propaganda and the Holocaust’.

Unesco and the US Holocaust Memorial Museum are joining forces to present, at Unesco headquarters, the exhibit ‘State of Deception: The Power of Nazi Propaganda’. During the early 1930s, a period of severe economic distress, many Germans were willing to overlook the Nazis’ anti-Semitism, because they were attracted to other aspects of the party’s message. The Nazis knew this: In the run-up to the 1932 election, the party relied on the emerging field of public opinion research to probe the needs, hopes, and fears of blue- and white-collar workers, the middle class, women, farmers, and youth. Accordingly, Nazi propagandists toned down anti-Semitic rhetoric and presented the party as the only political force capable of creating jobs and putting food on German tables. Likewise, they won over newly enfranchised women voters by portraying themselves as the defender of traditional German womanhood and the family.

Hitler’s extreme nationalism resonated with many audiences, including young people who wanted to restore Germany’s lost territories and military might. Rabid anti-Semitism remained at the centre of the Nazi worldview. As soon as the party came to power, in 1933, it began to implement anti-Jewish policies. The Nazis eliminated alternative sources of information, burning books and arresting journalists as they prepared to advance their goal of establishing a united “Aryan” Europe.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/the-holocaust-started-with-words-not-mass-killings-378291.html


This is why the Democrats or Independents most not get embroiled in any tit for tat rhetoric over immigration/Muslims and concentrate on social and economic policies for the future as that is what will fundamentally win people over. What I think swung it for the Tories in the last election was a promise off a better economy and stability of which they had sustained throughout the coalition. Now I do not pretend to know the American people but one thing is for sure what matters most to people at the end of the day is what is in their pocket, money and stability. If you play up to Trump he will gain in support over his bigoted views, when they should fundamentally target his economic policies. As that to me is where the battleground will be won in this Presidential election

Accordingly, Nazi propagandists toned down anti-Semitic rhetoric and presented the party as the only political force capable of creating jobs and putting food on German tables.

This is why the Democrats or Independents most not get embroiled in any tit for tat rhetoric over immigration/Muslims and concentrate on social and economic policies for the future as that is what will fundamentally win people over.

That second para seems to contradict the first one.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Accordingly, Nazi propagandists toned down anti-Semitic rhetoric and presented the party as the only political force capable of creating jobs and putting food on German tables.

This is why the Democrats or Independents most not get embroiled in any tit for tat rhetoric over immigration/Muslims and concentrate on social and economic policies for the future as that is what will fundamentally win people over.

That second para seems to contradict the first one.

Er no it does not

As what does tit for tat rhetoric mean?
Not get involved in mean?

It helps if you read on as well


Hitler’s extreme nationalism resonated with many audiences, including young people who wanted to restore Germany’s lost territories and military might. Rabid anti-Semitism remained at the centre of the Nazi worldview.


Now lets change a few words


Trumps’s extreme nationalism resonated with many audiences, including young people who wanted to restore Americas lost Patriotism and military might. Rabid anti-Muslim remained at the centre of the Trump worldview.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:



That second para seems to contradict the first one.

Er no it does not

As what does tit for tat rhetoric mean?
Not get involved in mean?

The first para said that the Nazis concentrated on social and economic policies, and then the second one said that's what should be done too.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Er no it does not

As what does tit for tat rhetoric mean?
Not get involved in mean?

The first para said that the Nazis concentrated on social and economic policies, and then the second one said that's what should be done too.

The Party did, but did Hitler in his Rhetoric?

Now I do not pretend to know the American people but one thing is for sure what matters most to people at the end of the day is what is in their pocket, money and stability.

I've said this before - that people will generally vote for the party which will benefit them personally. Some of the lefties disagreed with me though, and I think you did as well Didge.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Now I do not pretend to know the American people but one thing is for sure what matters most to people at the end of the day is what is in their pocket, money and stability.

I've said this before - that people will generally vote for the party which will benefit them personally. Some of the lefties disagreed with me though, and I think you did as well Didge.

No very wrong with me, as in the run up to the general election I pointed out time and time again people would vote with what was in their pockets

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I've said this before - that people will generally vote for the party which will benefit them personally. Some of the lefties disagreed with me though, and I think you did as well Didge.

No very wrong with me, as in the run up to the general election I pointed out time and time again people would vote with what was in their pockets

Which is why a lot of people vote Tory here, apart from people on benefits.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

No very wrong with me, as in the run up to the general election I pointed out time and time again people would vote with what was in their pockets

Which is why a lot of people vote Tory here, apart from people on benefits.

Do not forget the socialist middle class mind, they will vote Corbyn

So is the suggestion that the other parties should ignore Trump's views on Muslims or whatever? He's been pretty upfront about that, and he has support apparently, so I guess the other parties feel they have to challenge him.

What can they challenge him on re his economic and social policies anyway? Does anyone know what they are?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

No very wrong with me, as in the run up to the general election I pointed out time and time again people would vote with what was in their pockets

Which is why a lot of people vote Tory here, apart from people on benefits.

?  You think you have to be poor not to vote Tory.  You are so wrong.  Suprisingly enough, many people vote for the good of others as well as themselves.

Raggamuffin wrote:So is the suggestion that the other parties should ignore Trump's views on Muslims or whatever? He's been pretty upfront about that, and he has support apparently, so I guess the other parties feel they have to challenge him.

What can they challenge him on re his economic and social policies anyway? Does anyone know what they are?

Not ignore completely but he is being given all the air time Rags, he is centre of attention and gaining votes and what I mean is they should be tackling him on home social and economic points, as he is geared up for his hope through hate bile

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Which is why a lot of people vote Tory here, apart from people on benefits.

?  You think you have to be poor not to vote Tory.  You are so wrong.  Suprisingly enough, many people vote for the good of others as well as themselves.

People on benefits aren't necessarily poor ...

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:So is the suggestion that the other parties should ignore Trump's views on Muslims or whatever? He's been pretty upfront about that, and he has support apparently, so I guess the other parties feel they have to challenge him.

What can they challenge him on re his economic and social policies anyway? Does anyone know what they are?

Not ignore completely but he is being given all the air time Rags, he is centre of attention and gaining votes and what I mean is they should be tackling him on home social and economic points, as he is geared up for his hope through hate bile

But what if he promises decreases in tax? That would make him even more popular.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Not ignore completely but he is being given all the air time Rags, he is centre of attention and gaining votes and what I mean is they should be tackling him on home social and economic points, as he is geared up for his hope through hate bile

But what if he promises decreases in tax? That would make him even more popular.

He will promise many things but to me the key battle to tear him apart will be on economics. That is where they should look to take him on with.

Anyway, you been away for a few days rags?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But what if he promises decreases in tax? That would make him even more popular.

He will promise many things but to me the key battle to tear him apart will be on economics. That is where they should look to take him on with.

What are his views on economics?

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:

?  You think you have to be poor not to vote Tory.  You are so wrong.  Suprisingly enough, many people vote for the good of others as well as themselves.

People on benefits aren't necessarily poor ...

You think they are on benefits because they are rich?   They are on benefits because, even if they are working, they are the poorest members of society.

Poorest is a subjective terminology
As would you class someone poor here on benefits next to someone in Africa without a Job?

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

People on benefits aren't necessarily poor ...

You think they are on benefits because they are rich?   They are on benefits because, even if they are working, they are the poorest members of society.

Once they're on benefits, they're not necessarily poor.

It stands to reason really. The Tories are the party of lower taxes. They are better for people who are not on benefits, including people with savings, and those with personal pensions.

I think Trump wants to cut taxes doesn't he?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

Raggamuffin wrote:It stands to reason really. The Tories are the party of lower taxes. They are better for people who are not on benefits, including people with savings, and those with personal pensions.

They are the party of lower taxes for the rich, and some rich people think they should pay their taxes and don't support them, they are not better for people not on benefits, they have destroyed the steel industry, they are destroying the NHS, and people working need that as well, they are allowing homeowners to be flooded out by cutting back on flood defences and a million other things.  Savings and pensions have been decimanted because of the continuous low interest rates.  You're swallowing the propaganda whole and they are making you look an idiot.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It stands to reason really. The Tories are the party of lower taxes. They are better for people who are not on benefits, including people with savings, and those with personal pensions.

They are the party of lower taxes for the rich, and some rich people think they should pay their taxes and don't support them, they are not better for people not on benefits, they have destroyed the steel industry, they are destroying the NHS, and people working need that as well, they are allowing homeowners to be flooded out by cutting back on flood defences and a million other things.  Savings and pensions have been decimanted because of the continuous low interest rates.  You're swallowing the propaganda whole and they are making you look an idiot.

They're the party of lower taxes for everyone, not just the rich.

I'm not an idiot, and I don't think I look like one either - well not most of the time anyway. I'm saying why people vote Tory because some of you seem a bit mystified about that.

People don't know if savings rates would be any better under Labour, so they're more interested in how much tax they have to pay on the interest they get. They're interested in how much they get to take home in their pay packets and how much they have to give to the Government to misuse.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:

They are the party of lower taxes for the rich, and some rich people think they should pay their taxes and don't support them, they are not better for people not on benefits, they have destroyed the steel industry, they are destroying the NHS, and people working need that as well, they are allowing homeowners to be flooded out by cutting back on flood defences and a million other things.  Savings and pensions have been decimanted because of the continuous low interest rates.  You're swallowing the propaganda whole and they are making you look an idiot.

They're the party of lower taxes for everyone, not just the rich.

I'm not an idiot, and I don't think I look like one either - well not most of the time anyway. I'm saying why people vote Tory because some of you seem a bit mystified about that.

People don't know if savings rates would be any better under Labour, so they're more interested in how much tax they have to pay on the interest they get. They're interested in how much they get to take home in their pay packets and how much they have to give to the Government to misuse.

You are soooooooooooooo kidding lol

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They're the party of lower taxes for everyone, not just the rich.

I'm not an idiot, and I don't think I look like one either - well not most of the time anyway. I'm saying why people vote Tory because some of you seem a bit mystified about that.

People don't know if savings rates would be any better under Labour, so they're more interested in how much tax they have to pay on the interest they get. They're interested in how much they get to take home in their pay packets and how much they have to give to the Government to misuse.

You are soooooooooooooo kidding lol

You have no answer then. If interest rates went up, so would mortgage rates and loan rates.

Don't get me wrong - I want interest rates to rise.

Anyway, the point is that if people paid more attention to Trump's economic policies, he might get even more support.