Donald Trump Ban Muslims

by Major Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:38 am

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35035190

by Guest Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:53 pm

Stormee wrote:http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6794128/There-are-No-Go-Areas-in-London-Policeman-backs-up-Trumps-controversial-comments.html

Told ya so.

The Sun. I have no idea why anyone who actually possessed a brain cell would read it, much less believe it.

by Victorismyhero Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:15 pm

what a load of old cobblers...nothing to do with Muslims or any percieved terrorist threat, nothing to do with when on duty

idiocy
hell during the height of the troubles in ireland serving soldiers were advised not to travel off duty in uniform, AND ther registration system for military cars was changed so as to be indistinguishable from civvy vehicles...

common sense if you ask me and to tie it, as the moron trump does with some sort of Muslim threat is not only barmy but has all the signs of incipient nutcase disease

by veya_victaous Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:39 pm

by veya_victaous Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:42 pm

by Cass Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:53 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

That's not quite accurate. People who are expressing fear now never did so when the people carrying off mass shootings in America were white people with a presumably Christian upbringing. Let a couple Muslims carry off a shooting and suddenly they think this is a huge problem.

That's because there have been Islamic attacks before. Remember those tall buildings which fell down? There are attacks all over the place by Islamic extremists. The ones carried out by others are not as common. Added to that, there's a new tendency for lone wolves to carry out attacks. There's no evidence that the latest attack was organised by any Islamic organisation, and yet surely nobody can be in any doubt that Islamic beliefs were at the bottom of it, at least to some extent.

As there have been by the white Supremacist gang to include lone wolf attacks just like Robert Dear carried out in Coloradojust the week before.

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:02 am

Cass wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

That's not quite accurate. People who are expressing fear now never did so when the people carrying off mass shootings in America were white people with a presumably Christian upbringing. Let a couple Muslims carry off a shooting and suddenly they think this is a huge problem.

That's because there have been Islamic attacks before. Remember those tall buildings which fell down? There are attacks all over the place by Islamic extremists. The ones carried out by others are not as common. Added to that, there's a new tendency for lone wolves to carry out attacks. There's no evidence that the latest attack was organised by any Islamic organisation, and yet surely nobody can be in any doubt that Islamic beliefs were at the bottom of it, at least to some extent.
As there have been by the white Supremacist gang to include lone wolf attacks just like Robert Dear carried out in Coloradojust the week before.

Glad someone caught that
More deaths From Christians Extremists in the Years since 9/11 in the USA than any other group

No one can Doubt Fundamentalist Attitudes toward religion are what causes it.

by Cass Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:23 am

^veya

More people die of health related causes or by accidents every year but I guess those types of things arent just important enough for the media, presidential contenders/politicians, every day people to get all riled up about....(insert rolling eyes smoking here)

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:28 am

exactly right.
All this fear for something that is statically as likely to happen as being hit by Lightning.

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:24 am

Cass wrote:^veya

More people die of health related causes or by accidents every year but I guess those types of things arent just important enough for the media, presidential contenders/politicians, every day people to get all riled up about....(insert rolling eyes smoking here)

+ 1000

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:09 am

Cass wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

That's because there have been Islamic attacks before. Remember those tall buildings which fell down? There are attacks all over the place by Islamic extremists. The ones carried out by others are not as common. Added to that, there's a new tendency for lone wolves to carry out attacks. There's no evidence that the latest attack was organised by any Islamic organisation, and yet surely nobody can be in any doubt that Islamic beliefs were at the bottom of it, at least to some extent.
As there have been by the white Supremacist gang to include lone wolf attacks just like Robert Dear carried out in Coloradojust the week before.

But a white majority is not going to fear an attack by white supremacists, they're going to fear an attack by people who they perceive have something against them - ie, Islamic extremists. If Islamic extremists stopped carrying out attacks and some other group started, they would fear them instead.

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:11 am

veya_victaous wrote:exactly right.
All this fear for something that is statically as likely to happen as being hit by Lightning.

If people took statistical probability seriously, no one would do the lottery, and yet someone always wins.

by eddie Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:27 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:exactly right.
All this fear for something that is statically as likely to happen as being hit by Lightning.

If people took statistical probability seriously, no one would do the lottery, and yet someone always wins.

Lol

by Major Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:34 am

by Major Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:03 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12043526/Donald-Trump-Muslims-Muhammad-Ali-UK-petition-latest-news-live.html

WE BRITS SHOULD BE THANKING TRUMP for highlighting the Muslim PROBLEM which our own elected cowards are to frightened to tackle in case they lose there well paid jobs.

by Original Quill Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:57 pm

Stormee wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12043526/Donald-Trump-Muslims-Muhammad-Ali-UK-petition-latest-news-live.html

WE BRITS SHOULD BE THANKING TRUMP for highlighting the Muslim PROBLEM which our own elected cowards are to frightened to tackle in case they lose there well paid jobs.

And what about the Catholic problem? Even the pesky protestants. What is evolving here is a sound argument against all religion.

Ironically, Trump, in all his ignorance, may be the catalyst.

by Cass Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:07 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cass wrote:
As there have been by the white Supremacist gang to include lone wolf attacks just like Robert Dear carried out in Coloradojust the week before.

But a white majority is not going to fear an attack by white supremacists, they're going to fear an attack by people who they perceive have something against them - ie, Islamic extremists. If Islamic extremists stopped carrying out attacks and some other group started, they would fear them instead.

But they should Rags, they are killing and getting caught with massive amounts of weapons but no one calls them terrorists because they are not the boogeyman de jour. The white majority has no idea how much the white supremacists hats them as well because they're in government, law enforcement or live their daily lives and enteract with different colored people. Its terribly ironic.

by Original Quill Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:26 pm

Cass wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

But a white majority is not going to fear an attack by white supremacists, they're going to fear an attack by people who they perceive have something against them - ie, Islamic extremists. If Islamic extremists stopped carrying out attacks and some other group started, they would fear them instead.

But they should Rags, they are killing and getting caught with massive amounts of weapons but no one calls them terrorists because they are not the boogeyman de jour. The white majority has no idea how much the white supremacists hats them as well because they're in government, law enforcement or live their daily lives and enteract with different colored people. Its terribly ironic.

Gd. point...and to carry it further: The white supremacist movement merges at the edges with the anti-government movement, and from that vantage they see any organized political system as their enemy.

AND...don't forget, the whites are rapidly becoming a minority in favor of the Hispanics. So, what are we hearing...but Trump demanding 11-million Hispanics be deported, even if they are native-born citizens?

Increasingly, this is a nation of old, white, male-dominates, desperately trying to hold on to what they have got...with white knuckles, not less. It's a dangerous time. Whatever...the Republican Party is finished.

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:32 pm

Well look, some black people in the US are afraid of the police, yes? That's because they perceive they might be shot by the police. It's out of all proportion, but it doesn't change their perception.

by Original Quill Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:42 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Well look, some black people in the US are afraid of the police, yes? That's because they perceive they might be shot by the police. It's out of all proportion, but it doesn't change their perception.

And the white, male-dominated establishment is seeing the loss of power for themselves, only they are looking through the prism of future-orientation...

Still, the position of the two differ, to be sure. Minorities--especially Hispanics--have earned their majority status legitimately, through numbers. Old, white men are opting for anti-democratic measures as their means of holding on to power. Look, for example, at the voter suppression measures passed in Ohio, Texsa and Pennsylvania under Republican governments. Anti-majority...anti-democracy? That puts the old, white establishment in the wrong.

by Cass Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:03 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Well look, some black people in the US are afraid of the police, yes? That's because they perceive they might be shot by the police. It's out of all proportion, but it doesn't change their perception.

Agree. I think with all of these different narratives there is at the root a genuine spark of truth to their fears but then it gets blown out of all proportion and a kind of mob hysteria takes over. Further fuel gets added to the fire by irresponsible media and/or individuals on both sides of the same story. Its all about the "me me me and protecting what I value and to hell with anyone else because my way is the right way" fear story. Nobody hardly believes in the common good anymore.

by Major Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:53 pm

would help keep our country safe.

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:08 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:exactly right.
All this fear for something that is statically as likely to happen as being hit by Lightning.

If people took statistical probability seriously, no one would do the lottery, and yet someone always wins.

and some people gets taken by sharks every year
Doesn't stop me going to the beach.
Donald Trump Ban Muslims - Page 3 Shark

So By your own reasoning the Islamic Terrorism Hysteria is stupid as we ignore that level of statistical unlikelihood all the time

by Victorismyhero Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:23 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If people took statistical probability seriously, no one would do the lottery, and yet someone always wins.

and some people gets taken by sharks every year
Doesn't stop me going to the beach.

which is why dumbasses get taken by sharks every year

So By your own reasoning the Islamic Terrorism Hysteria is stupid as we ignore that level of statistical unlikelihood all the time

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:29 pm

@Victor
Meh
Circle of life and all that.

No need to be cowardly just don't be unlucky or the slowest Laughing

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:37 pm

I think they have turned into a bunch of pussies and Daesh have succeeded in frightening them to death. Thought British people had more backbone than that.

I can honestly say that I take my life in my hands every single day. I know, having CLL, that a bug could kill me, and it's come close on a number of occasions. Every time I go out of the house, every time I go in a shop, every time I go to a meeting and someone is coughing or sneezing or has an infection I can't see, I could get i and I could die, and that's fact. Life kills you, you could dodge a bullet only to find that you have cancer. FGS, stop snivelling in a corner and get on with life, pollution is going to get you long before Daesh has a chance.

by eddie Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:42 pm

sassy wrote:I think they have turned into a bunch of pussies and Daesh have succeeded in frightening them to death. Thought British people had more backbone than that.

I can honestly say that I take my life in my hands every single day. I know, having CLL, that a bug could kill me, and it's come close on a number of occasions. Every time I go out of the house, every time I go in a shop, every time I go to a meeting and someone is coughing or sneezing or has an infection I can't see, I could get i and I could die, and that's fact. Life kills you, you could dodge a bullet only to find that you have cancer. FGS, stop snivelling in a corner and get on with life, pollution is going to get you long before Daesh has a chance.

Fair point sassy - fair point

My friend sent her daughter to nursery one day and that little girl never came back to her.
You simply never know x

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:46 pm

eddie wrote:
sassy wrote:I think they have turned into a bunch of pussies and Daesh have succeeded in frightening them to death. Thought British people had more backbone than that.

I can honestly say that I take my life in my hands every single day. I know, having CLL, that a bug could kill me, and it's come close on a number of occasions. Every time I go out of the house, every time I go in a shop, every time I go to a meeting and someone is coughing or sneezing or has an infection I can't see, I could get i and I could die, and that's fact. Life kills you, you could dodge a bullet only to find that you have cancer. FGS, stop snivelling in a corner and get on with life, pollution is going to get you long before Daesh has a chance.

Fair point sassy - fair point

My friend sent her daughter to nursery one day and that little girl never came back to her.
You simply never know x

Exactly, you can't plan for everything, you just never know. She has my sympathy poor woman xx

by eddie Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:50 pm

Thank you. Life is unfair. She's trying for another (she has another girl who's my daughters best friend) but she'd love another one. Sadly, she keeps miscarrying.
She's the warmest, beautiful woman I know.

by Victorismyhero Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:54 pm

sassy wrote:I think they have turned into a bunch of pussies and Daesh have succeeded in frightening them to death. Thought British people had more backbone than that.

I can honestly say that I take my life in my hands every single day. I know, having CLL, that a bug could kill me, and it's come close on a number of occasions. Every time I go out of the house, every time I go in a shop, every time I go to a meeting and someone is coughing or sneezing or has an infection I can't see, I could get i and I could die, and that's fact. Life kills you, you could dodge a bullet only to find that you have cancer. FGS, stop snivelling in a corner and get on with life, pollution is going to get you long before Daesh has a chance.

and you are perfectly entitled to make that decision for yourself...you are NOT however entitled to make that decision for others, nor are you entitled to decry them for taking a different view.

also at the back of folks minds is the fact that they fear for the future, if the lefty luvvies have their way its a given that we will all be facing east wiith our ass in the air 5 times a day

becasue nowhere have I seen one proposal to deal with Daesh that has a pigs ears chance of working being proposed by the left

I mean you dont even want our police to act robustly when a threat is flagged up, in case it "upsets " them....

ffs what DO you want?

by Guest Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:56 pm

What would they have done in the last war, never come out of the bomb shelters.

by veya_victaous Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:58 pm

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:02 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If people took statistical probability seriously, no one would do the lottery, and yet someone always wins.

and some people gets taken by sharks every year
Doesn't stop me going to the beach.

So By your own reasoning the Islamic Terrorism Hysteria is stupid as we ignore that level of statistical unlikelihood all the time

Sharks don't generally hang around on beaches on account of not having legs.

by Major Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:05 am

Shylock sharks do when they are trying to sell you TIME SHARE. lol

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:09 am

sassy wrote:I think they have turned into a bunch of pussies and Daesh have succeeded in frightening them to death. Thought British people had more backbone than that.

I can honestly say that I take my life in my hands every single day. I know, having CLL, that a bug could kill me, and it's come close on a number of occasions. Every time I go out of the house, every time I go in a shop, every time I go to a meeting and someone is coughing or sneezing or has an infection I can't see, I could get i and I could die, and that's fact. Life kills you, you could dodge a bullet only to find that you have cancer. FGS, stop snivelling in a corner and get on with life, pollution is going to get you long before Daesh has a chance.

That's your choice, and it's hardly the same thing is it? Perhaps some people are afraid of the manner of a terrorist attack. It's a good thing that some people are afraid of such a thing, otherwise nobody would report anything suspicious or they'd just shrug if they found out that someone was a planning to join ISIS.

by Major Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:00 am

sassy wrote:What would they have done in the last war, never come out of the bomb shelters.

Which war do you call the LAST? sassy.

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:01 am

sassy wrote:What would they have done in the last war, never come out of the bomb shelters.

At least they had some warning of an impending attack.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:09 am

You have so got to be joking. Never heard of doodlebugs? Or parachute mine that were dropped, designed to explode in the air and decimate large areas?

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:16 am

sassy wrote:You have so got to be joking. Never heard of doodlebugs? Or parachute mine that were dropped, designed to explode in the air and decimate large areas?

I think you mean the Vergeltungswaffe 2.

The V1 could be heard coming a mile away and it was when the engine cut out through the fuel being exhauisted that people knew to leg it.
Also once the Air force knew how to deal with them during the day, they could easily shoot them or tip they out of harms way.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:18 am

Of course, that's why no-one got killed by them Rolling Eyes

. If you heard them cut out, your chances diminished swiftly. 2,419 reached London, killing about 6,184 people and injuring 17,981

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:20 am

sassy wrote:Of course, that's why no-one got killed by them . If you heard them cut out, your chances diminished swiftly. 2,419 reached London, killing about 6,184 people and injuring 17,981

Yes because many were sent over during the night time.
Again you could hear them coiming a mile away and there is nothing worse when people make schoolboy errors on history as you constantly do.

The Vergeltungswaffe 2 all you could get was a short whistle noise seconds before it impacted.
I am showing your choice was daft.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:24 am

I know all about them, my family were bombed out many times during the war, and my family is huge, my grandmother was one of 13 and my grandfather had six siblings, they used to get together when I was young and tell me the stories of everything that happened to them. I consider myself very lucky to have been born at the end of the war, missing the bombings but near enough to the experience to find out first hand from those who went through it and were living history books.

We even have maps of all the bombs, doodlebugs and parachute bombs that landed round the areas they lived in.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:27 am

sassy wrote:I know all about them, my family were bombed out many times during the war, and my family is huge, my grandmother was one of 13 and my grandfather had six siblings, they used to get together when I was young and tell me the stories of everything that happened to them. I consider myself very lucky to have been born at the end of the war, missing the bombings but near enough to the experience to find out first hand from those who went through it and were living history books.

As seen you know naff all about them, by Aug 1944, 80% were being knocked out of the sky by a variety of methods.
Your family is tiny in coimparrison to mine, which matters little.
My foreign grand parents fought in order that you had freedom and neither of them ever lived in this country

by Victorismyhero Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:38 am

doodlebug...let me tell you something I was told by an old guy...

If you heard em cut out.....you could ignore them, becasue they were going to come down elsewhere...

it was the ones you DIDNT hear that were the problem

by Raggamuffin Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:45 am

Lord Foul wrote:doodlebug...let me tell you something I was told by an old guy...

If you heard em cut out.....you could ignore them, becasue they were going to come down elsewhere...

it was the ones you DIDNT hear that were the problem

Yes, I was told that as well.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:51 am

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
sassy wrote:I know all about them, my family were bombed out many times during the war, and my family is huge, my grandmother was one of 13 and my grandfather had six siblings, they used to get together when I was young and tell me the stories of everything that happened to them. I consider myself very lucky to have been born at the end of the war, missing the bombings but near enough to the experience to find out first hand from those who went through it and were living history books.

As seen you know naff all about them, by Aug 1944, 80% were being knocked out of the sky by a variety of methods.
Your family is tiny in coimparrison to mine, which matters little.
My foreign grand parents fought in order that you had freedom and neither of them ever lived in this country

Yawn, all my family fought, so what. I have great uncles that were in the Japanese POW camps and were lucky to survive. Virtually every British family has relatives that fought, so do many from countries all over the world.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:53 am

sassy wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

As seen you know naff all about them, by Aug 1944, 80% were being knocked out of the sky by a variety of methods.
Your family is tiny in coimparrison to mine, which matters little.
My foreign grand parents fought in order that you had freedom and neither of them ever lived in this country

Yawn, all my family fought, so what. I have great uncles that were in the Japanese POW camps and were lucky to survive. Virtually every British family has relatives that fought, so do many from countries all over the world.

Point so far over your teeny tiny brain.
They were foriegn and thus fought for this country and its freedom.
That means they gave for this country for nothing in return.
So its about the fact they were not British as you would expect British people to fight for their country.

Doh

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:00 am

Funnily enough, lots of foreign people fought for this country, some of mine were Maltese, they did. As I said, so what.

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:04 am

Yeah right, you now suddenely mention this only after my point lol

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:05 am

I've said many times some of my family are Maltese.

But I do realise, you think you are 'special' and therefore you define all your family as 'special' Rolling Eyes

by Guest Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:07 am

And you claim Jewish is well.
Sorry Jackanory always used to bore me and sorry posting pictures means jack shit.

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