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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:52 pm

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Yes...it's the ultimate in stereotyping.  



I added a paragraph to my post ^^ including Scottish people.  They are also unusually attractive types.  I suspect that is because they are strongly influenced directly by Nordic bloodlines.

The English are strongly influenced by the Norman bloodline, and what is the root word for Normans?  Norse men.  So I would expect that their bloodlines would also be related to the Nordic lines as well.

I've noticed the same thing about Dutch men: Tall and quiet athletic.

Don't say that in front of Bru - it'll go to his head. Laughing

Laughing   Yes, well he seems a decent lad.

There's a chap up in Dundee that specializes in facial types:

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:55 pm

Interestingly, Dutch women are also the tallest on average. In the Nordic countries they're not particularly tall on average, except in Denmark.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Interestingly, Dutch women are also the tallest on average. In the Nordic countries they're not particularly tall on average, except in Denmark.

The Danes are the ones they are talking about when they mention Normans.  Maybe they grew shorter to accommodate those tight little boats.

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:02 pm

I'm amazed that the average height for women in the UK is still around 5'4". It's been the same for years and years, and yet so many young women seem very tall to me. I suppose old ladies are living longer and shrinking more. I was considered to be tall at school, but I'm just above average height.
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Post by eddie Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:08 pm

Just out of curiosity, what is a typical "Scottish look"?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:12 pm

I'm tall myself, so I'm attracted to tall women. Becky is 5' 10", and is a movie double for Charlize Theron. So it is a fact that you get attracted to a type.

The Nordic types generally are tall. That and the light complexion, which I'm finding out can be a liability as you age.

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:I'm tall myself, so I'm attracted to tall women.  Becky is 5' 10", and is a movie double for Charlize Theron.  So it is a fact that you get attracted to a type.

The Nordic types generally are tall.  That and the light complexion, which I'm finding out can be a liability as you age.

In what way do you mean?
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:13 pm

eddie wrote:Just out of curiosity, what is a typical "Scottish look"?

See above. The guy I posted about was doing a study about it. I'll go back and get more on it.

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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I'm tall myself, so I'm attracted to tall women.  Becky is 5' 10", and is a movie double for Charlize Theron.  So it is a fact that you get attracted to a type.

The Nordic types generally are tall.  That and the light complexion, which I'm finding out can be a liability as you age.

In what way do you mean?

I have to keep a dermatologist on retainer, I have so many skin-related conditions. When you're young, being light complected means you tan well, and have fair skin and hair. But as you age, you learn that it's not a very good covering.

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Post by eddie Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:26 pm

Having a light complexion usually means you burn more easily, not tan well!?
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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:27 pm

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In what way do you mean?

I have to keep a dermatologist on retainer, I have so many skin-related conditions.  When you're young, being light complected means you tan well, and have fair skin and hair.  But as you age, you learn that it's not a very good covering.

Well fair skin is often quite delicate, so it's prone to things like rosacea, sensitivity, etc. Some might say that it wrinkles earlier too. Laughing

I've never tanned very well - not on my face, and I look silly with fake tan on.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:28 pm

@ Eddie:

Here's one of the pages related to the photo studies of Scottish faces, I posted above (at least one that explains):

The Star wrote:The many faces of race research
The technology to turn oneself into a mixed-race avatar might be confined to movies, but Brian Banton plays with racial manipulations of himself online.

By: John Goddard Staff Reporter, Published on Wed Jan 27 2010
The technology to turn oneself into a mixed-race avatar might be confined to movies, but Brian Banton plays with racial manipulations of himself online.
As a York University graduate student, he explores questions of racial hybridity as related to corporate design. Much of the work is obscurely theoretical, Banton says. "But I also want to be playful. (Mixed race) is a serious issue but I don't want to be heavy-handed."
Banton was born in Brampton, the offspring of a Scottish-born mother and Jamaican-born father. When visiting his mother's family, he feels black, he says. When he's with his father's family he feels white. He calls himself "mixed" and "biracial" and "just myself," but he also admits to a low-level underlying anxiety. People have guessed him to be Italian, Greek, Arab and South American, he says, never half-Scottish half-Jamaican.
"There is comfort in being explicitly part of a community," Banton says. "I'm in this middle space, not fully committed to one side.
Barack Obama is of mixed race, raised in a white family and celebrated as the first black U.S. president, the student points out. Singer Mariah Carey also "straddles the border," sometimes confusing people, he says.
Once, when he was working for a branding company, Banton designed a poster that included small human figures. The poster went through a series of approvals but was stopped just before going to the printer. Unconsciously, he says, he gave the people olive-coloured skin.
"Somebody decided the people were too ambiguous in terms of race," he says. "We re-photographed the image with explicitly white people."
Banton's girlfriend, whom he describes as half-Asian, half-white, recently came across a website called Face of the Future. Built by Scotland's University of St. Andrews, it allows the user to upload a headshot and see what the face would look like as another race.
"(The software) clearly shows visual markers that identify us physically in the face," Banton says. "I've always played on my own ambiguity and I thought this was just pushing it a bit further."
In one photo, he comes out as a white person. In three others, he comes out in progressively darker shades. "I want to experiment," he says. "It would be interesting to set up different accounts on dating sites and see if people are more attracted to an Asian version of me versus the black or white version."
The website, however, lacks the capacity to show the person with blue skin and a tail.

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:30 pm

I would like to know when anyone on Corrie is going to notice that Simon is of mixed race. Peter Barlow is dark but he's white, and Simon's mother was fair. Laughing
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:32 pm

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I have to keep a dermatologist on retainer, I have so many skin-related conditions.  When you're young, being light complected means you tan well, and have fair skin and hair.  But as you age, you learn that it's not a very good covering.

Well fair skin is often quite delicate, so it's prone to things like rosacea, sensitivity, etc. Some might say that it wrinkles earlier too. Laughing

I've never tanned very well - not on my face, and I look silly with fake tan on.

That's what I mean. I've had it all, including cancer, which was negligible, but nevertheless disturbing. I was also something of a natural blond (albeit darker), and that turned gray all too quickly.

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:33 pm

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Well fair skin is often quite delicate, so it's prone to things like rosacea, sensitivity, etc. Some might say that it wrinkles earlier too. Laughing

I've never tanned very well - not on my face, and I look silly with fake tan on.

That's what I mean.  I've had it all, including cancer, which was negligible, but nevertheless disturbing.  I was also something of a natural blond (albeit darker), and that turned gray all too quickly.

Your hair looks very dark in your avatar ...

I know what you mean about fair skin. That lovely bloom of youth can become a little weathered if you're not careful. Laughing

Sorry about the cancer.
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Post by nicko Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:37 pm

That's not him in
the avatar Raggs, it's Dirk Bogard. [might be wrong spelling]
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Post by Syl Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I would like to know when anyone on Corrie is going to notice that Simon is of mixed race. Peter Barlow is dark but he's white, and Simon's mother was fair. Laughing

We talked about this on a forum years ago. The older Simon gets the more his facial features are that of a mixed race boy. The producers have actually denied he is mixed race....but unless he is a throwback which can certainly happen, I would be surprised to find his parents were both white.

Just to add...he is a brilliant little actor.
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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:39 pm

nicko wrote:That's not him in
the avatar Raggs,  it's Dirk Bogard.   [might be wrong spelling]

Bogarde. Yes, we've had this conversation before. Laughing I was watching him in a Bridge too far just yesterday.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:40 pm

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That's what I mean.  I've had it all, including cancer, which was negligible, but nevertheless disturbing.  I was also something of a natural blond (albeit darker), and that turned gray all too quickly.

Your hair looks very dark in your avatar ...

I know what you mean about fair skin. That lovely bloom of youth can become a little weathered if you're not careful. Laughing

Sorry about the cancer.

Yeah, the photographer who took that photo--Barry Evans, of Berkeley--was used to posing university professors for resumes and such. So he went heavy on the shadows and it makes my hair look dark. It's was actually a kind of straw color, but definitely gray now. Lol.

Tks on the cancer concern, but it was quickly excised.

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:41 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I would like to know when anyone on Corrie is going to notice that Simon is of mixed race. Peter Barlow is dark but he's white, and Simon's mother was fair. Laughing

We talked about this on a forum years ago. The older Simon gets the more his facial features are that of a mixed race boy. The producers have actually denied he is mixed race....but unless he is a throwback which can certainly happen, I would be surprised to find his parents were both white.

Just to add...he is a brilliant little actor.

The thing is that even Peter is too dark really. Ken isn't dark, and Valerie wasn't dark either. Even allowing for Peter's dark looks, Simon is clearly half black. Laughing

I prefer his acting now that he's turned into a monster. Laughing
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Post by Syl Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:43 pm

He even makes David Platt seem normal lately. Razz
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:45 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
nicko wrote:That's not him in
the avatar Raggs,  it's Dirk Bogard.   [might be wrong spelling]

Bogarde. Yes, we've had this conversation before. Laughing  I was watching him in a Bridge too far just yesterday.

Never heard of him. I have a google. But that photo is the real me. I've got others Evans took.

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This is Dirk Bogarde.  Hmmm...  Forehead too tall.  He poses like me.  But his hair is much too bushy.  Mine is thiner and much lighter. And he's got a cute bob at the end of his nose. I've got a Scottish nose...as my Clan Chief noted.  The biggest difference is, I don't have those soulful eyes.  I'll bet the ladies go for them.


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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:51 pm

I really don't know how anyone could not have heard of Dirk Bogarde - he's pretty famous. Laughing
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Post by nicko Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:52 pm

Not now they don't, he's dead!
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:57 pm

Here's another that gives a bit more of the profile.  Looking at Google, he doesn't do a lot of side shots.

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You see those soulful eyes and the cute bob on his nose.


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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:58 pm

nicko wrote:Not now they don't, he's dead!

It wouldn't have done them much good anyway. Laughing

He was a handsome chap indeed though.
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Post by Syl Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:07 pm

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This is Dirk Bogarde.  Hmmm...  Forehead too tall.  He poses like me.  But his hair is much too bushy.  Mine is thiner and much lighter.  And he's got a cute bob at the end of his nose.  I've got a Scottish nose...as my Clan Chief noted.  The biggest difference is, I don't have those soulful eyes.  I'll bet the ladies go for them.

And the men...he was gay.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:10 pm

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Yes, since nicko made the comment I've been going through files of him on Google. He was a child star, I gather. At some point he seems to have had a nose job. Compare the picture I posted with the one you posted above.

Maybe that explains it. When he was younger he didn't have the profile nose.

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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:13 pm

His nose always looked the same to me.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:His nose always looked the same to me.

Maybe I'm more in tune to the details. He does look a lot like me.

I'll see if there are other pictures more on point.

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Post by Syl Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:20 pm

Dirk Bogarde was a brilliant actor. He played the part of a homosexual lawyer in the film 'Victim' years before homosexuality was legalised in the UK.
Brave, considering he was a closet gay himself.

I remember watching that film and thinking how brave he was to tackle the role.
Sylvia Syms played his wife.
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Post by Raggamuffin Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:23 pm

Syl wrote:Dirk Bogarde was a brilliant actor. He played the part of a homosexual lawyer in the film 'Victim' years before homosexuality was legalised in the UK.
Brave, considering he was a closet gay himself.

I remember watching that film  and thinking how brave he was to tackle the role.
Sylvia Syms played his wife.

I'm just looking at his films. There are some good ones in there.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:28 pm

Syl wrote:Dirk Bogarde was a brilliant actor. He played the part of a homosexual lawyer in the film 'Victim' years before homosexuality was legalised in the UK.
Brave, considering he was a closet gay himself.

I remember watching that film  and thinking how brave he was to tackle the role.
Sylvia Syms played his wife.

I was not familiar with him before nicko mentioned him.

But he reminds me of one of my favorite actors, Gregory Peck, who also played a lawyer in To Kill a Mockingbird.

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Post by Syl Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:37 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:Dirk Bogarde was a brilliant actor. He played the part of a homosexual lawyer in the film 'Victim' years before homosexuality was legalised in the UK.
Brave, considering he was a closet gay himself.

I remember watching that film  and thinking how brave he was to tackle the role.
Sylvia Syms played his wife.

I was not familiar with him before nicko mentioned him.  

But he reminds me of one of my favorite actors, Gregory Peck, who also played a lawyer in To Kill a Mockingbird.

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He didn't look or act like Peck onscreen...he was a lot slighter in stature and very English.

Another great film he was in was "The wind cannot read"....not sure why but a lot of his films seem to be forgotten about nowadays.
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Post by Syl Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:44 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:Dirk Bogarde was a brilliant actor. He played the part of a homosexual lawyer in the film 'Victim' years before homosexuality was legalised in the UK.
Brave, considering he was a closet gay himself.

I remember watching that film  and thinking how brave he was to tackle the role.
Sylvia Syms played his wife.

I'm just looking at his films. There are some good ones in there.

There are Rags. I think seeing him dressed like this in a film in the 60's inspired my lifelong love of black leather clothes. Razz

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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:47 pm

Syl wrote:He didn't look or act like Peck onscreen...he was a lot slighter in stature and very English.

Another great film he was in was "The wind cannot read"....not sure why but a lot of his films seem to be forgotten about nowadays.

True.  I'd never heard of him until this discussion.  When you mention he was smallish, he now brings to mind James Dean.

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Post by eddie Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:58 pm

Quill I cannot believe that a man of your age, had never heard of Dirk Bogarde??!!

And that pic in your avatar is definitely a black-haired male lol
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eddie wrote:Quill I cannot believe that a man of your age, had never heard of Dirk Bogarde??!!  

And that pic in your avatar is definitely a black-haired male lol

Never heard of Bogarde, and I've never seen any of his films (that have been mentioned).

The picture is done in black and white, against a painted canvas background.  The dark effect is produced with light and shadows.  The photographer was Barry Evans, on Euclid Avenue, in North Berkeley.  He did my father's photograph, which hangs in the administrative offices of Herrick Memorial Hospital in Berkeley, and he did mine afterwards.

And the ring on the right ring finger I picked up in Izmir, Turkey, along the 'Street of Gold', where I also purchased a Swiss gold watch.  The suit is a muted olive green cloth, which I don't have anymore.  The tie was of muted green-gold swirls, if memory serves.  The French cuffs are fake, provided by the photographer.  It was a simple oxford cloth white shirt with normal cuffs.

Yep, it's me.

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Post by eddie Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:21 pm

Wow that's alot of detail! Shocked
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:27 pm

eddie wrote:Wow that's alot of detail! Shocked

Lol. Just what I recall off the top of my head...and from looking at the detail in the picture. I definitely remember the fake shirt cuffs, because I wondered how they would turn out just tossed on like that.

Oh yes, and I remember he had a pair of barber shears, and was fastidiously clipping off hairs on my head, which he said would show in the lighting.

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Post by eddie Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:31 pm

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eddie wrote:Wow that's alot of detail! Shocked

Lol.  Just what I recall off the top of my head...and from looking at the detail in the picture.  I definitely remember the fake shirt cuffs, because I wondered how they would turn out just tossed on like that.

Oh yes, and I remember he had a pair of barber shears, and was fastidiously clipping off hairs on my head, which he said would show in the lighting.

i think he missed a few ear ones..... lol!
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Post by Original Quill Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:36 pm

eddie wrote:
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Lol.  Just what I recall off the top of my head...and from looking at the detail in the picture.  I definitely remember the fake shirt cuffs, because I wondered how they would turn out just tossed on like that.

Oh yes, and I remember he had a pair of barber shears, and was fastidiously clipping off hairs on my head, which he said would show in the lighting.

i think he missed a few ear ones..... lol!

And the nose ones.  lol!   Lucky my shirt was on...  Shocked

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Post by eddie Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:38 pm

Hahahahahaha
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Post by veya_victaous Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:59 pm

back to Trump..

Funny how he say Make America Great AGAIN like in the 1950's

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Post by Irn Bru Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:46 am

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I've yet to see any evidence of that. Of course you are stereotyping, which is fine because you're not being negative.

Yes...it's the ultimate in stereotyping.  

Raggamuffin wrote:Here in the UK we have the "English Rose" complexion, which is not confined to English women of course and it's not applicable to all of them, but it's rather lovely. Princess Diana had such a complexion before she started tanning it - naturally or otherwise.

Of course people who are native to northern countries will be fairer than those from countries nearer the equator, but it's not necessarily accompanied by blonde hair.

Interestingly, Dutch men are on average the tallest. Laughing

I added a paragraph to my post ^^ including Scottish people.  They are also unusually attractive types.  I suspect that is because they are strongly influenced directly by Nordic bloodlines.

The English are strongly influenced by the Norman bloodline, and what is the root word for Normans?  Norse men.  So I would expect that their bloodlines would also be related to the Nordic lines as well.

I've noticed the same thing about Dutch men: Tall and quiet athletic.

Don't say that in front of Bru - it'll go to his head. Laughing

Well now that you mention it Raggs I have got that opinion passed on me during my travels Laughing
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Post by eddie Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:03 pm

We will,let you get away with that as its St Andrews day Rolling Eyes
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Post by Original Quill Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:35 pm

Scots are very special people. Look, for a race (Celtic) that never had a written language--meaning they were basically illiterate--they musta had something because right now they have the best public education system in the UK, and the four best universities in the UK.

Now I know we were talking about physical and facial features, but that's gotta be influenced by the personal character of the people you meet. Scots are charming, and they can really charm you.

And, there is something about intelligence that breeds higher moral character. If their education system is any indication, they are a cut above in that area too.

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Post by Raggamuffin Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:45 pm

Original Quill wrote:Scots are very special people.  Look, for a race (Celtic) that never had a written language--meaning they were basically illiterate--they musta had something because right now they have the best public education system in the UK, and the four best universities in the UK.

Now I know we were talking about physical and facial features, but that's gotta be influenced by the personal character of the people you meet.  Scots are charming, and they can really charm you.  

And, there is something about intelligence that breeds higher moral character.  If their education system is any indication, they are a cut above in that area too.

The one person who ever discriminated against me for being English was a Scottish person, so they're not all charming, moral, and intelligent.
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