the reality for homeless women in Britain....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11879403/Sexual-exploitation-violence-and-drugs-A-homeless-woman-in-Britain.html

“I’ve been homeless on and off since I was 13 due to family problems,” Claire says. “I came to London and started to sleep on the streets between being in and out of prison. The other people on the streets were my family – we looked out for each other.”
Claire’s story mirrors others from homeless women around Britain, but she was able to get help. “I was found by the St Mungo’s Broadway Street Impact team who got me into a hostel and helped me to have a less chaotic life,” she says, where she has been involved in supporting other homeless women.
Yet for a number of other women living on the streets, the threat of physical attack or sexual assault has forced them into hiding. Invisible and marginalised, they have limited access to essential support.

can these people be helped before 20000 foreigners...

Your government never cared about them before; what makes you think it's suddenly going to start caring about them now?

Ben_Reilly wrote:Your government never cared about them before; what makes you think it's suddenly going to start caring about them now?

Exactly Ben, and now you can start to understand the frustration of the British people when it comes to helping refugees and/or migrants.

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Your government never cared about them before; what makes you think it's suddenly going to start caring about them now?

Exactly Ben, and now you can start to understand the frustration of the British people when it comes to helping refugees and/or migrants.

My point is that if there were no refugee crisis, these women would be in the exact same situation. Except there would probably be people saying they made their own choices and didn't deserve help from the government

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Your government never cared about them before; what makes you think it's suddenly going to start caring about them now?

Exactly Ben, and now you can start to understand the frustration of the British people when it comes to helping refugees and/or migrants.

Like the vast majority of people in the UK I don't object to helping genuine refugees, those who really need our help and live in fear of their lives.

What I do object to is people who come here solely to claim benefits or those who commit crime here.  I'd rather see the process being more selective to ensure that the people who do come here contribute positively to society.

No one likes having the p taken out of them, particularly when there are so many deserving cases

feelthelove wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Your government never cared about them before; what makes you think it's suddenly going to start caring about them now?

Exactly Ben, and now you can start to understand the frustration of the British people when it comes to helping refugees and/or migrants.

Like the vast majority of people in the UK I don't object to helping genuine refugees, those who really need our help and live in fear of their lives.

What I do object to is people who come here solely to claim benefits or those who commit crime here.  I'd rather see the process being more selective to ensure that the people who do come here contribute positively to society.

No one likes having the p taken out of them, particularly when there are so many deserving cases

That's exactly how I feel FTL, but how do we tell the genuine from the fakes?

It just seems that those on the right suddenly have so much out-of-the-blue compassion for homeless women and veterans, now that they can be used as a club to beat desperate Muslims over the head with ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Your government never cared about them before; what makes you think it's suddenly going to start caring about them now?

Exactly Ben, and now you can start to understand the frustration of the British people when it comes to helping refugees and/or migrants.

My point is that if there were no refugee crisis, these women would be in the exact same situation. Except there would probably be people saying they made their own choices and didn't deserve help from the government

P
Well I'm not sure I'd be saying that tbf, but the real point is, that these women shouldn't be in this position to start with.
They'll be committing crimes to feed themselves and end up back in prison.

eddie wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

Like the vast majority of people in the UK I don't object to helping genuine refugees, those who really need our help and live in fear of their lives.

What I do object to is people who come here solely to claim benefits or those who commit crime here.  I'd rather see the process being more selective to ensure that the people who do come here contribute positively to society.

No one likes having the p taken out of them, particularly when there are so many deserving cases

That's exactly how I feel FTL, but how do we tell the genuine from the fakes?

It's not helped by the fact that once people are here regardless of how they behave we don't seem to be able to deport them.  Human rights, the right to family life.  If things are so bad where you came from why take the mickey once you and your family are safe?

How you tell?  It's not easy, especially when you are dealing with these sorts of numbers.  Yet it's not about the here and now, it's the mistakes we've made in the past which are now coming back to bite us in the butt and those mistakes are making genuine refugees lives more difficult

Well,said FTL. Couldn't have said it better.
This is why I feel very split down the middle about this.

I lean more toward just feeling absolute sympathy and empathy for those poor mothers and fathers and little children, yet I still have that niggling worry.

Ben_Reilly wrote:It just seems that those on the right suddenly have so much out-of-the-blue compassion for homeless women and veterans, now that they can be used as a club to beat desperate Muslims over the head with ...

Ahh ben...you mean those terrible R/W ers like me?? huh? (well the left on here AND the liberalists seem to think I'm R/W, depite my regular rebuttals), who contribut a considerable amount of what cash I have to shelter and even more of our time to that cause doing "outreach" work??? You mean folks like those who, also like me spend time, especially over winter on neighbourhodd projects, ensuring our vulnerable and elderly in the village have heating, food and aequate housing....gtake them shopping and to the doctors...collect prescriptions etc...

Yes, we really ARE horrible people.......

unlike the LLA who are too busy looking for their next "pet project" whioch has sufficient "hey look at me" factor...

Leftie Liberals just like to appear virtuous, and are very generous with other people's money.

victorismyhero wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:It just seems that those on the right suddenly have so much out-of-the-blue compassion for homeless women and veterans, now that they can be used as a club to beat desperate Muslims over the head with ...

Ahh ben...you mean those terrible R/W ers like me?? huh?  (well the left on here AND the liberalists seem to think I'm R/W, depite my regular rebuttals), who contribut a considerable amount of what cash I have to shelter and even more of our time to that cause doing "outreach" work???  You mean folks like those who, also like me spend time, especially over winter on neighbourhodd projects, ensuring our vulnerable and elderly in the village have heating, food and aequate housing....gtake them shopping and to the doctors...collect prescriptions etc...

Yes,  we really ARE horrible people.......

unlike the LLA who are too busy looking for their next "pet project" whioch has sufficient "hey look at me" factor...

Yeh Victor, that is why we are busy supporting the people that were involved in a very bad fire in town, making sure they have a roof over their heads because they weren't insured, clothes on their back and food in their mouths.  Also supporting the women's group for those abused (and men as it happens) and spending my time, often in the middle of the night, with the lady next door who has dementia and gets frightened and her family live a long way away.  What makes you think you have a monopoly.

sassy wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:

Ahh ben...you mean those terrible R/W ers like me?? huh?  (well the left on here AND the liberalists seem to think I'm R/W, depite my regular rebuttals), who contribut a considerable amount of what cash I have to shelter and even more of our time to that cause doing "outreach" work???  You mean folks like those who, also like me spend time, especially over winter on neighbourhodd projects, ensuring our vulnerable and elderly in the village have heating, food and aequate housing....gtake them shopping and to the doctors...collect prescriptions etc...

Yes,  we really ARE horrible people.......

unlike the LLA who are too busy looking for their next "pet project" whioch has sufficient "hey look at me" factor...

Yeh Victor, that is why we are busy supporting the people that were involved in a very bad fire in town, making sure they have a roof over their heads because they weren't insured, clothes on their back and food in their mouths.  Also supporting the women's group for those abused (and men as it happens) and spending my time, often in the middle of the night, with the lady next door who has dementia and gets frightened and her family live a long way away.  What makes you think you have a monopoly.

I never said I did...my point was to counter that some of us that dont follw the "lefty liberalist" way of thinking Do actually help in our communities.....


twice now onece from ben and once from didge we have had the "if you are so concerned with your own homeless why dont you do something" thrown at me....

my point is.....


I DO......

unlike the LLA though...I dont drop them in favour of others from elsewhere I dont change my priorities to the "latest in thing"

The point is that lefties are allegedly "caring", and "right wingers" are not - according to the likes of Ben anyway.

victorismyhero wrote:

sassy wrote:

Yeh Victor, that is why we are busy supporting the people that were involved in a very bad fire in town, making sure they have a roof over their heads because they weren't insured, clothes on their back and food in their mouths.  Also supporting the women's group for those abused (and men as it happens) and spending my time, often in the middle of the night, with the lady next door who has dementia and gets frightened and her family live a long way away.  What makes you think you have a monopoly.

I never said I did...my point was to counter that some of us that dont follw the "lefty liberalist" way of thinking Do actually help in our communities.....


twice now onece from ben and once from didge we have had the "if you are so concerned with your own homeless why dont you do something" thrown at me....

my point is.....


I DO......

unlike the LLA though...I dont drop them in favour of others from elsewhere   I dont change my priorities to the "latest in thing"

You know what Victor, I'm getting pretty sick of you insinuating things like that.  The people I know out there working their bloody butts off trying to help and many people as they can, giving up every bit of free time they have and crying because there are people they can't help because they don't have the time or the money, and normally there are things going on in their own lives they are trying to deal with at the same time.  If they get to know of a new problem, they try and help there as well AND THEY DON'T BLOODY DROP THOSE THEY ARE ALREADY HELPING ANY MORE THAN YOU DO.

Well I suppose I'm a right winger but I've helped out an awful lot of Muslims over the last 3 months.

Does that make me good or bad?

Raggamuffin wrote:The point is that lefties are allegedly "caring", and "right wingers" are not - according to the likes of Ben anyway.

I'm just going by what I've seen. I never heard a single right-wing or right-leaning member here bemoan the plight of the homeless before the refugee crisis, or suggest government intervention on their behalf.

On the other hand, I have heard some people -- including you -- saying things like "people choose to be homeless."

The right is simply seizing on the plight of the homeless to use as a wedge against the refugees. It's really obvious, not to mention sickening

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The point is that lefties are allegedly "caring", and "right wingers" are not - according to the likes of Ben anyway.

I'm just going by what I've seen. I never heard a single right-wing or right-leaning member here bemoan the plight of the homeless before the refugee crisis, or suggest government intervention on their behalf.

On the other hand, I have heard some people -- including you -- saying things like "people choose to be homeless."

The right is simply seizing on the plight of the homeless to use as a wedge against the refugees. It's really obvious, not to mention sickening

So do you think several more thousand people added to the 330,000 immigrants which came in over the last year will help the plight of the UK homeless?.......In the tiny UK.

Shady wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The point is that lefties are allegedly "caring", and "right wingers" are not - according to the likes of Ben anyway.

I'm just going by what I've seen. I never heard a single right-wing or right-leaning member here bemoan the plight of the homeless before the refugee crisis, or suggest government intervention on their behalf.

On the other hand, I have heard some people -- including you -- saying things like "people choose to be homeless."

The right is simply seizing on the plight of the homeless to use as a wedge against the refugees. It's really obvious, not to mention sickening

So do you think several more thousand people added to the 330,000 immigrants which came in over the last year will help the plight of the UK homeless?.......In the tiny UK.

Oh, let's not have any more of the myth of the tiny UK. Your country is still over 95 percent uninhabited. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18623096 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-not-at-all-full-up-insists-senior-civil-servant-9916478.html

I'm not buying that you don't understand I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the right, which only cares about the homeless when there's a refugee crisis, the biggest since WWII, going on.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The point is that lefties are allegedly "caring", and "right wingers" are not - according to the likes of Ben anyway.

I'm just going by what I've seen. I never heard a single right-wing or right-leaning member here bemoan the plight of the homeless before the refugee crisis, or suggest government intervention on their behalf.

On the other hand, I have heard some people -- including you -- saying things like "people choose to be homeless."

The right is simply seizing on the plight of the homeless to use as a wedge against the refugees. It's really obvious, not to mention sickening

Well it's interesting that you said that. I don't think I've said that on here.

I've discussed this issue on other forums way before the issue of refugees came up though. I've always had some concern for homeless people actually because of the spiral of events which leaves them homeless, particularly single people - mostly men, who are generally overlooked when it comes to handing out properties. It's not a choice for many, but I was talking to someone on another forum who was homeless for a while, and he formed a kind of lifestyle with other homeless people. I guess they form their own community and support each other in a way.

However, if there are people out there who are homeless through no fault of their own and who really need help, they must take priority over people from other countries - that seems obvious to me.

Look at the Germans - so much superficial generosity, and yet now they're panicking because they wanted to look good and they can't cope with all the people they invited in.

The problem with the lefties is that they think they're morally superior to anyone they perceive as "right wing". They do a lot of damage by telling people that they're helpless, that they're "victims", and that they don't need to take responsibility for themselves.

Ben_Reilly wrote:It just seems that those on the right suddenly have so much out-of-the-blue compassion for homeless women and veterans, now that they can be used as a club to beat desperate Muslims over the head with ...

Not so Ben it's just that it becomes more of a priority when things like this happens, also i think there are some Christians too fleeing Syria

Shady wrote:Well I suppose I'm a right winger but I've helped out an awful lot of Muslims over the last 3 months.

Does that make me good or bad?

It clearly makes you a leftie.

Do you have many Muslims in Texas Ben?

Plenty of the world is uninhabited... including plenty of the land that these foreigners are coming here from...



We don't want or need any more mass immigration!!!


We are already struggling to cope with those here so we drastically need to reduce numbers allowed to come.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Shady wrote:Well I suppose I'm a right winger but I've helped out an awful lot of Muslims over the last 3 months.

Does that make me good or bad?

It clearly makes you a leftie.

I knew I was doing something wrong.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

I'm just going by what I've seen. I never heard a single right-wing or right-leaning member here bemoan the plight of the homeless before the refugee crisis, or suggest government intervention on their behalf.

On the other hand, I have heard some people -- including you -- saying things like "people choose to be homeless."

The right is simply seizing on the plight of the homeless to use as a wedge against the refugees. It's really obvious, not to mention sickening

Well it's interesting that you said that. I don't think I've said that on here.

I've discussed this issue on other forums way before the issue of refugees came up though. I've always had some concern for homeless people actually because of the spiral of events which leaves them homeless, particularly single people - mostly men, who are generally overlooked when it comes to handing out properties. It's not a choice for many, but I was talking to someone on another forum who was homeless for a while, and he formed a kind of lifestyle with other homeless people. I guess they form their own community and support each other in a way.

However, if there are people out there who are homeless through no fault of their own and who really need help, they must take priority over people from other countries - that seems obvious to me.

Look at the Germans - so much superficial generosity, and yet now they're panicking because they wanted to look good and they can't cope with all the people they invited in.

Best contradiction.

So Rags wants to help the homeless.
Refugees are homeless and does not want to help them.
So she does not want to help the homelees.
She wants to help some British people she does not know from Adam, as  the view is to help those homeless and where they come from should not matter.

She thinks people who are homeless, who she does not know from Adam should take priority over some more people who are homeless who she does not know from Adam.
Why should an invented concept provide a person homeless an advantage over another homeless person?
How is that equality?
Would it not be correct to help both if you could?

Maybe all these hordes of young fit men should stand and fight against the terrorists instead of running away...



As you say dodge... ISIS is 'only a few' thousand in comparison to the millions who have run...

Did everyone in the UK sign up to fight the Germans?
No
Daft point again from the forum thicky.

What a twat!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Maybe all these hordes of young fit men should stand and fight against the terrorists instead of running away...



As you say dodge... ISIS is 'only a few' thousand in comparison to the millions who have run...

Good afternoon Tommy.

For those young male Syrians who have paid to be transported through Turkey,paid for food & drink,mobile top up cards & then the people smugglers,there were also ample opportunities to purchase firearms instead.

Turkey is an excellent place to purchase enough weapons & training to create your own little army & then return to Syria & fight ISIS.Now a small number of Syrians are doing just that but the majority of them are cowardly bastards.

However,it is easier to run & let western & other forces do the fighting for them while the loonie left brigade scream about social injustice & the so called lack of help for the refugees.

But I'll emphasise this point again.There are plenty of good grade weapons & excellent training available in Turkey at affordable prices.Many dealers will supply some weapons & training for free but the majority of the young men & women are refusing to help themselves.

Tommy Monk wrote:


What a twat!!!

Tommy by the sound of it,you are reading Didges posts & he's just come out with another classic? Yes?

Again by Twatty's mentality all those who did not take up arms in the UK against the Nazi's are cowards it seems.

100% agree shady!

Shady wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Maybe all these hordes of young fit men should stand and fight against the terrorists instead of running away...



As you say dodge... ISIS is 'only a few' thousand in comparison to the millions who have run...

Good afternoon Tommy.

For those young male Syrians who have paid to be transported through Turkey,paid for food & drink,mobile top up cards & then the people smugglers,there were also ample opportunities to purchase firearms instead.

Turkey is an excellent place to purchase enough weapons & training to create your own little army & then return to Syria & fight ISIS.Now a small number of Syrians are doing just that but the majority of them are cowardly bastards.

However,it is easier to run & let western & other forces do the fighting for them while the loonie left brigade scream about social injustice & the so called lack of help for the refugees.

But I'll emphasise this point again.There are plenty of good grade weapons & excellent training available in Turkey at affordable prices.Many dealers will supply some weapons & training for free but the majority of the young men & women are refusing to help themselves.

Sorry its becoming laughable your claim to 20 years experince.
Okay my boy, how long does it take to train a British soldier?
Who is going to train these Syrians to fight?
Would they be nothing more than cannon fodder?
Who is going to look after and support their families whilst they are fighting?
Do they keep their families, near and then face the added threat if they die their wivies and daughters will become sex slaves?
If they do not keep their family near, who will support them?
Or do they seek the best option of a safe country and allow those military trained to combat ISIS.


So I see Twatty has not denied that he believes those British people who did not take up arms against the Nazis' are cowards then.
I mean its really embarressing that I have to point these telling points out to you Shady

And dodge you complete bell end... the people of Britain stood together against the evil of the Nazis... not everyone went to fight directly but contributed here back home to the war effort and defence of our country.


Maybe you can show us the millions who ran away from 'only a few' thousand Nazis!?

Tommy Monk wrote:And dodge you complete bell end... the people of Britain stood together against the evil of the Nazis... not everyone went to fight directly but contributed here back home to the war effort and defence of our country.


Maybe you can show us the millions who ran away from 'only a few' thousand Nazis!?

But you said about taking up arms and fighting Twatty, so you have called all those British people cowards.
Its as simple as that, where your point on the Syrians was taking up arms and fighting.
Which means you think millions of Brits were cowards.

Plus dodge... as it is clear on all the tv footage of these 'refugees'... they are overwhelmingly fit young men, hardly any women or children among them... so it appears that they have already run away and left their women and children behind... or maybe they are just advancing ISIS fighters pretending to be 'refugees' and included a few women and children in the advance just to look more convincing!?



You don't need extensive training when there are millions of armed fit young men intent on crushing the few thousand ISIS ..

Dodge you twat!!!



Show us all the millions of British who ran away from the 'only a few' thousand Nazis!!!???

I mean its a good thing Some Poles fled to the UK in 1939 and made up 16 Polish Squadrons in the Royal Air Force, the 303 being hightest scoring unit during the Battle of Britain. Not only this many Poles made up countless army units.

Tommy Monk wrote:
Dodge you twat!!!



Show us all the millions of British who ran away from the 'only a few' thousand Nazis!!!???

You said they should stand and fight, yet millions of Britains did not stand and fight, as they never took up arms, where they relied on
those who did sign up and countless men from the British Empire.

So to you all these British were cowards

You always make yourself look a tit and I am always there to show why.

You are a complete twat!!!


Show me how millions ran away!!!


We stood together against the enemy, not all could go and fight of course, many tried and were not allowed... many others had to stay in engineering and manufacturing to create the equipment needed by those on the front line and in support!!!



You complete bell end!!!



While millions of fit young men are running away from a few thousand... leaving the women and children behind!!!

Who said anything about running away?
Iis moving to safety running away?

Are you claiming now the British run away at Dunkirk?

It gets worse now, not only does Twatty think countless British people who did not take up arms and fight were cowards, he even thinks the the heroic rescue of the British at Dunkirk was nothing of the sort to him and that they were cowards by running away, as they did not stand and fight.

I love an idiot, they just continue to make themselves look even more stupid, poor Twatty

Tommy Monk wrote:You are a complete twat!!!


Show me how millions ran away!!!


We stood together against the enemy, not all could go and fight of course, many tried and were not allowed... many others had to stay in engineering and manufacturing to create the equipment needed by those on the front line and in support!!!



You complete bell end!!!



While millions of fit young men are running away from a few thousand... leaving the women and children behind!!!

When you talk about people running away you show your complete ignorance of the situation.  There are two sides terrorising these people, Assad and ISIS.  If they fight for Assad they will end up having to kill their own people, maybe even their own families.  If they fight for ISIS the same is true.  There is no side they can join to fight for those they don't want to kill people.  You're a prick Tommy, a first class, unadultered, 100% prick, with the knowledge of a cucumber.  I absolutely and sincerely hope that one day you get put in the same position, I really do.

Me!!!


I said millions of young fit Syrian men are running away from a few thousand!!!


If they stood up and fought then there would be no ISIS!!!

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well it's interesting that you said that. I don't think I've said that on here.

I've discussed this issue on other forums way before the issue of refugees came up though. I've always had some concern for homeless people actually because of the spiral of events which leaves them homeless, particularly single people - mostly men, who are generally overlooked when it comes to handing out properties. It's not a choice for many, but I was talking to someone on another forum who was homeless for a while, and he formed a kind of lifestyle with other homeless people. I guess they form their own community and support each other in a way.

However, if there are people out there who are homeless through no fault of their own and who really need help, they must take priority over people from other countries - that seems obvious to me.

Look at the Germans - so much superficial generosity, and yet now they're panicking because they wanted to look good and they can't cope with all the people they invited in.

Best contradiction.

So Rags wants to help the homeless.
Refugees are homeless and does not want to help them.
So she does not want to help the homelees.
She wants to help some British people she does not know from Adam, as  the view is to help those homeless and where they come from should not  matter.

She thinks people who are homeless, who she does not know from Adam should take priority over some more people who are homeless who she does not know from Adam.
Why should an invented concept provide a person homeless an advantage over another homeless person?
How is that equality?
Would it not be correct to help both if you could?

Of course British homeless people should take priority.

Tommy Monk wrote:Me!!!


I said millions of young fit Syrian men are running away from a few thousand!!!


If they stood up and fought then there would be no ISIS!!!

You just proved you were an idiot, as what happens while they are fighting ISIS and get attacked by Assad forcews who they are also against?
Who is going to protect their families?
Anyway as seen I showed you think countless millions of Brits were cowards, including hundreds of thousands of soldiers if they did not stand and fight.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Best contradiction.

So Rags wants to help the homeless.
Refugees are homeless and does not want to help them.
So she does not want to help the homelees.
She wants to help some British people she does not know from Adam, as  the view is to help those homeless and where they come from should not  matter.

She thinks people who are homeless, who she does not know from Adam should take priority over some more people who are homeless who she does not know from Adam.
Why should an invented concept provide a person homeless an advantage over another homeless person?
How is that equality?
Would it not be correct to help both if you could?

Of course British homeless people should take priority.

Why?
When you can help both?
You see its not really homeless that sways your decision, but something invented, called British.

sassy wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You are a complete twat!!!


Show me how millions ran away!!!


We stood together against the enemy, not all could go and fight of course, many tried and were not allowed... many others had to stay in engineering and manufacturing to create the equipment needed by those on the front line and in support!!!



You complete bell end!!!



While millions of fit young men are running away from a few thousand... leaving the women and children behind!!!

When you talk about people running away you show your complete ignorance of the situation.  There are two sides terrorising these people, Assad and ISIS.  If they fight for Assad they will end up having to kill their own people, maybe even their own families.  If they fight for ISIS the same is true.  There is no side they can join to fight for those they don't want to kill people.  You're a prick Tommy, a first class, unadultered, 100% prick, with the knowledge of a cucumber.  I absolutely and sincerely hope that one day you get put in the same position, I really do.

Well Sassy my girl,that's not strictly true.

Now I don't expect you to know these things in the safety of the UK but there are many groups in Syria fighting against both ISIS & Assad.And those Syrian refugees,& I use the term lightly,have been in receipt of regular offers from the various groups to fight primarily ISIS.

But they turn the offers down for various reasons.However, the opportunities are there for them in abundance.

And that's no ifs or buts.But they would sooner leave their country rather than fight for it.