Britain's dog population in danger from killer parasite spread by foxes

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:35 am

Foxes are helping to spread a potentially fatal parasite that is threatening Britain's dog population, researchers have warned.
Up to 50 per cent of foxes are infected with lungworm, whose larvae can be found in the bodies and slime of slugs and snails.
Once swallowed by a dog, the parasite travels through its body to end up in the heart causing sickness and possibly death.
A study by University of Bristol scientists found that lungworm was now present in more than one in 10 foxes (18.3 per cent) in the UK.
The worm's prevalence was significantly higher than it was in 2008, when an earlier study showed 7.3 per cent of foxes to be infected.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/pets-health/11872830/Britains-dog-population-in-danger-from-killer-parasite-spread-by-foxes.html

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:27 am

cool, what we obviously need is more fox hunting...tally ho....

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:31 am

Sorry, but this is a ludicrous statement by the Torygraph, and obviously meant to frighten dog owners to get them in the frame of mind to allow fox hunting again. It has always been known the slugs and snails pass on lug worm to dogs and dog owners have been warned about it by vets as long as I can remember.

This from back in 2010:

A rise in the number of slugs and snails could prove fatal to dogs if they eat them, vets are warning.
The warmer but wetter weather is perfect for the molluscs, which can harbour the parasite lungworm.
Although dogs do not eat slugs or snails on purpose, they may ingest them accidentally if they fall into their bowls or attach onto bones or toys.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8614417.stm

Has bugger all to do with foxes.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:36 am

I suggest you read again..

Up to 50 per cent of foxes are infected with lungworm, whose larvae can be found in the bodies and slime of slugs and snails.
Once swallowed by a dog, the parasite travels through its body to end up in the heart causing sickness and possibly death.
Further research has confirmed that lungworm can be transmitted to dogs that lick the slime trails left by slugs, not only by accidentally swallowing slugs and snails. The parasite's larvae are excreted in dog faeces.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:39 am

Cuchulain wrote:I suggest you read again..

Up to 50 per cent of foxes are infected with lungworm, whose larvae can be found in the bodies and slime of slugs and snails.
Once swallowed by a dog, the parasite travels through its body to end up in the heart causing sickness and possibly death.
Further research has confirmed that lungworm can be transmitted to dogs that lick the slime trails left by slugs, not only by accidentally swallowing slugs and snails. The parasite's larvae are excreted in dog faeces.

So? That advice has been given to dog owners for at least 30 years to my knowledge. The carriers are the snails, and of course as part of the dog family, foxes will also be infected the same way. But the foxes don't pass it on to dogs, the foxes get infected by snails exactly the same way dogs do.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:40 am

Its because the Foxes are spreading the parasite.

Foxes can also become infected, and the increase in urban fox populations might be a reason for the spread of the parasite across the country.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:45 am

Cuchulain wrote:Its because the Foxes are spreading the parasite.

Foxes can also become infected, and the increase in urban fox populations might be a reason for the spread of the parasite across the country.

Sorry Didge, but that is total rubbish. Slugs and snails have always carried lugworm, dog owners have always been warned about it. Foxes can't spread something that slugs and snails have always carried all over the country. As we found a slug in our little bit that is attached to the kitchen and where we feed the dog, OH and I were actually talking about them the other night, and he can remembers his father, who was a gamekeeper, warning him about it when he was given his first puppy over 40 years ago. And that was in the Highlands of Scotland.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:47 am

sassy wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:Its because the Foxes are spreading the parasite.

Foxes can also become infected, and the increase in urban fox populations might be a reason for the spread of the parasite across the country.

Sorry Didge, but that is total rubbish. Slugs and snails have always carried lugworm, dog owners have always been warned about it. Foxes can't spread something that slugs and snails have always carried all over the country. As we found a slug in our little bit that is attached to the kitchen and where we feed the dog, OH and I were actually talking about them the other night, and he can remember his father, who was a gamekeeper warning him about it when he was given his first puppy over 40 years ago. And that was in the Highlands of Scotland.

Again if 50% of foxes are infected this is increasing the parasite being spread throughout the country.
This is thus increasing the chances for dogs to be infected.
Its basic maths calculated on risk.
As seen that risk is increased in the parasite gains hold in many areas.
So again foxes are playing an instrumental part in spreading the problem through their faeces

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:52 am

It can't increase something that is already 100%.

The lungworm (Angiostrongylus vasorum) is a parasite that can cause serious health problems in dogs and can even be fatal if not diagnosed and treated.

Slugs and snails carry the lungworm larvae, and dogs can become infected when they accidentally (or purposefully) eat these common garden pests whilst rummaging through undergrowth, eating grass, drinking from puddles or outdoor water bowls, or pick them up from their toys.
A recent survey¹ suggests Angiostrongylus vasorum is now endemic throughout much of the UK.

http://www.lungworm.co.uk/learn-about-lungworm/

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:54 am

Dear me you really cannot grasp how something is made to spead easier of which is being done by the fact many foxes are infected.
So to say it has nothing to do with foxes is in complete error.
They are spreading the parasite by the fact far more are infected and it is being spread by their faeces.

Lets see what Victor or Nicko have to say on the matter.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:13 am

And you can't grasp that as just about every snail and slug already carries it, it's impossible for foxes to spread it. You're not a dog owner are you? If you were, you would know that every time a new puppy or dog is taken to the vet there are notices in the vets about it and a good vet will always tell a new owner about it when they are doing the dogs first health check. I've kept dogs for all of my life from a tiny child, and was brought up knowing how to do the best for them and what to look out for, and one of those things has always been slugs and snails. BTW, they don't taste nice to dogs, so they are very unlikely to eat them, the trails are the worst thing if they leave a ball outside or if a water bowl is left outside and not cleaned.

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:17 am

Cuchulain wrote:Dear me you really cannot grasp how something is made to spead easier of which is being done by the fact many foxes are infected.
So to say it has nothing to do with foxes is in complete error.
They are spreading the parasite by the fact far more are infected and it is being spread by their faeces.

Lets see what Victor or Nicko have to say on the matter.

Why

So Sassy's response isnt good enough! Jesus Christ Didge!

You are asking the two pro fox hunters about this lololol

They wont be biased at all will they? Lololol

Anyway this is an obvious stunt for pro fox hunting!

Nothing new has been made evedient its all old news!

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:27 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:Dear me you really cannot grasp how something is made to spead easier of which is being done by the fact many foxes are infected.
So to say it has nothing to do with foxes is in complete error.
They are spreading the parasite by the fact far more are infected and it is being spread by their faeces.

Lets see what Victor or Nicko have to say on the matter.

Why

So Sassy's response isnt good enough! Jesus Christ Didge!

You are asking the two pro fox hunters about this lololol

They wont be biased at all will they? Lololol

Anyway this is an obvious stunt for pro fox hunting!

Nothing new has been made evedient its all old news!

Simple, I disagree with Sassy, she disagrees with me, so I am looking for someone who has knowledge to provide their opinion.
Victor knows far more than Sassy or I on this topic in regards to foxes and if they have an effect
That is called being fair because Victor is not biased at all
What on earth is wrong with that?

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:29 am

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Why

So Sassy's response isnt good enough! Jesus Christ Didge!

You are asking the two pro fox hunters about this lololol

They wont be biased at all will they? Lololol

Anyway this is an obvious stunt for pro fox hunting!

Nothing new has been made evedient its all old news!

Simple, I disagree with Sassy, she disagrees with me, so I am looking for someone who has knowledge to provide their opinion.
Victor knows far mroe than Sassy or I on this topic.
That is called being fair because Victor is not biased at all
What on earth is wrong with that?

Nothing if Victor wasnt pro fox hunting

Do you see why that would be biased?

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:33 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Simple, I disagree with Sassy, she disagrees with me, so I am looking for someone who has knowledge to provide their opinion.
Victor knows far mroe than Sassy or I on this topic.
That is called being fair because Victor is not biased at all
What on earth is wrong with that?

Nothing if Victor wasnt pro fox hunting

Do you see why that would be biased?

I am not pro fox hunting, so where does that leave your point?

Moot?

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:35 am

Sounds like an excuse to kill all the foxes another media brainwashing lie .

by nicko Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:36 am

Here we go again, foxes are lovely, over the rd from me there is a farm, apart from growing Arable crops the Farmers wife keeps a few dozen hens. I often nip across to buy eggs. A few months ago a fox got in the coop and killed 15 hens,blood and feathers every where. tell her Foxes are lovely. By the way, where have I said I kill Foxes for fun?

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:38 am

nicko wrote:Here we go again, foxes are lovely, over the rd from me there is a farm, apart from growing Arable crops the Farmers wife keeps a few dozen hens. I often nip across to buy eggs. A few months ago a fox got in the coop and killed 15 hens,blood and feathers every where. tell her Foxes are lovely. By the way, where have I said I kill Foxes for fun?

You never have Nicko
What is your take on this?

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:39 am

It's the nature of foxes to kill to eat just the same as dogs cats any wild animal will kill to eat .

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:40 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:It's the nature of foxes to kill to eat just the same as dogs cats any wild animal will kill to eat .

By killing all 15 hens?

I do not think so, that is not out of necessity to eat.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:40 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:It's the nature of foxes to kill to eat just the same as dogs cats any wild animal will kill to eat .

they can be hunted if necessary in a far more effective and cost effective way than being chased down by idiots on horseback with dogs...

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:41 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:It's the nature of foxes to kill to eat just the same as dogs cats any wild animal will kill to eat .
they can be hunted if necessary in a far more effective and cost effective way than being chased down by idiots on horseback with dogs...

Which nobody has stated otherwise here.
Did you read Nicko's post?

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:42 am

nicko wrote:Here we go again, foxes are lovely, over the rd from me there is a farm, apart from growing Arable crops the Farmers wife keeps a few dozen hens. I often nip across to buy eggs. A few months ago a fox got in the coop and killed 15 hens,blood and feathers every where. tell her Foxes are lovely. By the way, where have I said I kill Foxes for fun?

Arent you pro fox hunting? I apologise if i have that wrong.

All animals are lovely but there is a food chain process!

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:43 am

Cuchulain wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
they can be hunted if necessary in a far more effective and cost effective way than being chased down by idiots on horseback with dogs...

Which nobody has stated otherwise here.
Did you read Nicko's post?

The story itself does.

It points in that direction

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:45 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Which nobody has stated otherwise here.
Did you read Nicko's post?

The story itself does.

It points in that direction

It your opinion, nothing more.
Again I am against such hunting methods, so your point is very moot.
If there is an issue and threat to dogs, then they need to look a methods to stop the spread of this parasite
That is just common sense

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:45 am

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Nothing if Victor wasnt pro fox hunting

Do you see why that would be biased?

I am not pro fox hunting, so where does that leave your point?

Moot?

I didnt claim you were

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:46 am

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

The story itself does.

It points in that direction

It your opinion, nothing more.
Again I am against such hunting methods, so your point is very moot.
If there is an issue and threat to dogs, then they need to look a methods to stop the spread of this parasite
That is just common sense

Indeed.

But thats not why the story was published and directed

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:46 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

It your opinion, nothing more.
Again I am against such hunting methods, so your point is very moot.
If there is an issue and threat to dogs, then they need to look a methods to stop the spread of this parasite
That is just common sense

Indeed.

But thats not why the story was published and directed

Again that is your opinion.
Which still does not escape the fact there is a problem

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:48 am

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Indeed.

But thats not why the story was published and directed

Again that is your opinion.
Which still does not escape the fact there is a problem

Ok so Dog owners need to be aware of this. Are you a dog owner?

Sassy is and she posted in regards to this

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:48 am

foxes still need the population controlling, they seem to be getting more and more daring as to how far they will stray especially in to more urban areas..
They can be controlled, as I said, without the hooray henry's in their red death garbs, ridiculous horses and even more ridiculous dogs....

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:50 am

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Why

So Sassy's response isnt good enough! Jesus Christ Didge!

You are asking the two pro fox hunters about this lololol

They wont be biased at all will they? Lololol

Anyway this is an obvious stunt for pro fox hunting!

Nothing new has been made evedient its all old news!

Simple, I disagree with Sassy, she disagrees with me, so I am looking for someone who has knowledge to provide their opinion.
Victor knows far more than Sassy or I on this topic in regards to foxes and if they have an effect
That is called being fair because Victor is not biased at all
What on earth is wrong with that?

Why would Nicko and Victor have any more knowledge than me with regards to the dangers to dogs? I expect I have kept them longer than Victor as I am older than him, and don't know if Nicko has a dog or a cat? In any case, there knowledge would be no more than mine in this respect, expecially as I helped by grandaughter do a paper on the dangers of lugworm when she was taking her Level III Diploma in Animal Care and Conservation.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:50 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Again that is your opinion.
Which still does not escape the fact there is a problem

Ok so Dog owners need to be aware of this. Are you a dog owner?

Sassy is and she posted in regards to this

What does that matter?

So you need to be a dog owner now to understand something?
Sorry sexy, that is just absurd.

Its about the spread of the parasite which clearly the Foxes are a carrier.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:51 am

sassy wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Simple, I disagree with Sassy, she disagrees with me, so I am looking for someone who has knowledge to provide their opinion.
Victor knows far more than Sassy or I on this topic in regards to foxes and if they have an effect
That is called being fair because Victor is not biased at all
What on earth is wrong with that?

Why would Nicko and Victor have any more knowledge than me with regards to the dangers to dogs? I expect I have kept them longer than Victor as I am older than him, and don't know if Nicko has a dog or a cat? In any case, there knowledge would be no more than mine in this respect, expecially as I helped by grandaughter do a paper on the dangers of lugworm when she was taking her Level III Diploma in Animal Care and Conservation.

lol they far exceed your knowledge
That is a no brainer from reading their replies compared to you on such topics
Their knowledge comes from understanding and experince with nature, not from your experince with domesticated pets.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:52 am

nicko wrote:Here we go again, foxes are lovely, over the rd from me there is a farm, apart from growing Arable crops the Farmers wife keeps a few dozen hens. I often nip across to buy eggs. A few months ago a fox got in the coop and killed 15 hens,blood and feathers every where. tell her Foxes are lovely. By the way, where have I said I kill Foxes for fun?

Can I point out Nicko, that this subject has absolutely nothing to do with whether we think foxes are cuddly and cute, but it is about the fact that the Torygraph are putting out extremely old news as if it is something new, and foxes can't spread something that was acknowedge years ago as being endemic to the whole of the UK.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:53 am

No this thread is not about what Sassy decides and her obsession with the Tories but about this parasite and foxes being carriers of this parasite

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:55 am

Cuchulain wrote:
sassy wrote:

Why would Nicko and Victor have any more knowledge than me with regards to the dangers to dogs? I expect I have kept them longer than Victor as I am older than him, and don't know if Nicko has a dog or a cat? In any case, there knowledge would be no more than mine in this respect, expecially as I helped by grandaughter do a paper on the dangers of lugworm when she was taking her Level III Diploma in Animal Care and Conservation.

lol they far exceed your knowledge
That is a no brainer from reading their replies compared to you on such topics
Their knowledge comes from understanding and experince with nature, not from the domesticated pets

This is about a danger to dogs, and they have no more knowlege on the subject than I do, or indeed my OH who was brought up in the Highlands by a gamekeeper (he subsequently gave it up and became a photographer becomeing sickened by the killing for sport, although he was still happy when it was for putting food on the table).

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:56 am

So tell me Nicko, what do you know about lungworm?

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:57 am

sassy wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

lol they far exceed your knowledge
That is a no brainer from reading their replies compared to you on such topics
Their knowledge comes from understanding and experince with nature, not from the domesticated pets

This is about a danger to dogs, and they have no more knowlege on the subject than I do, or indeed my OH who was brought up in the Highlands by a gamekeeper (he subsequently gave it up and became a photographer becomeing sickened by the killing for sport, although he was still happy when it was for putting food on the table).

Its not just about dogs but the spread of this parasite

Again you do not get to decide what this debate is about.

Look your hearsay stories really have little interest to me because I really just do not believe a single word that comes out of your mouth

Its that simple, I place you as vile as Dibs

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:58 am

Cuchulain wrote:
sassy wrote:

This is about a danger to dogs, and they have no more knowlege on the subject than I do, or indeed my OH who was brought up in the Highlands by a gamekeeper (he subsequently gave it up and became a photographer becomeing sickened by the killing for sport, although he was still happy when it was for putting food on the table).

Its not just about dogs but the spread of this parasite

Again you do not get to decide what this debate is about.

Look your hearsay stories really have little interest to me because I really just do not believe a single word that comes out of your mouth

Its that simple, I place you as vile as Dibs

Shit seriously?

As vile as her??????

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:00 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Its not just about dogs but the spread of this parasite

Again you do not get to decide what this debate is about.

Look your hearsay stories really have little interest to me because I really just do not believe a single word that comes out of your mouth

Its that simple, I place you as vile as Dibs

Shit seriously?

Yes seriously

I have stood by this woman many times to have it thrown back in my face and no more sexy, I cannot abide by ungrateful and vile people of which she is.
She cares only for herself and always has.

Nothing you will say will sway that.
I do not hate her, I just have no time for people like her.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:00 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Its not just about dogs but the spread of this parasite

Again you do not get to decide what this debate is about.

Look your hearsay stories really have little interest to me because I really just do not believe a single word that comes out of your mouth

Its that simple, I place you as vile as Dibs

Shit seriously?

As vile as her??????

Yep SM, because I stand for Palestine. Didn't you know, that makes me a terrorist sympathisers. Guess that makes you one as well.

And you know, Didge doing his Didge thing, standing up for you when you haven't asked him to and then expecting you to dance to his tune. You know all about that.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:01 pm

sassy wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Shit seriously?

As vile as her??????

Yep SM, because I stand for Palestine. Didn't you know, that makes me a terrorist sympathisers. Guess that makes you one as well.

Nothing to do with that as Sexy and I get on fine even though we disagree on Palestine, its about the fact you are two faced

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:02 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
sassy wrote:

This is about a danger to dogs, and they have no more knowlege on the subject than I do, or indeed my OH who was brought up in the Highlands by a gamekeeper (he subsequently gave it up and became a photographer becomeing sickened by the killing for sport, although he was still happy when it was for putting food on the table).

Its not just about dogs but the spread of this parasite

Again you do not get to decide what this debate is about.

Look your hearsay stories really have little interest to me because I really just do not believe a single word that comes out of your mouth

Its that simple, I place you as vile as Dibs

thank goodness your opinion counts for slightly below jack in this forum or anywhere ....
in defence of dibs as for s&m well we all know...lol

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:02 pm

sassy wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Shit seriously?

As vile as her??????

Yep SM, because I stand for Palestine. Didn't you know, that makes me a terrorist sympathisers. Guess that makes you one as well.

Didge knows my views on Palestine. So surely it cant be because of that!

Ive obviously missed it all.

@Didge ok i will leave it that.

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:03 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
sassy wrote:

Yep SM, because I stand for Palestine. Didn't you know, that makes me a terrorist sympathisers. Guess that makes you one as well.

Didge knows my views on Palestine. So surely it cant be because of that!

Ive obviously missed it all.

@Didge ok i will leave it that.

You have honey, you really have lol

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:04 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
sassy wrote:

Yep SM, because I stand for Palestine. Didn't you know, that makes me a terrorist sympathisers. Guess that makes you one as well.

Didge knows my views on Palestine. So surely it cant be because of that!

Ive obviously missed it all.

@Didge ok i will leave it that.

No problem and know you are close friends with sassy and would not come between that.

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:05 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Didge knows my views on Palestine. So surely it cant be because of that!

Ive obviously missed it all.

@Didge ok i will leave it that.

No problem and know you are close friends with sassy and would not come between that.

I know you wont thanks x

by SEXY MAMA Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:09 pm

sassy wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Didge knows my views on Palestine. So surely it cant be because of that!

Ive obviously missed it all.

@Didge ok i will leave it that.

You have honey, you really have lol

Suppose a lot happens in a year! Lol

Shit Sass your sig is huge!!!!!!!!!!

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:18 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
sassy wrote:

You have honey, you really have lol

Suppose a lot happens in a year! Lol

Shit Sass your sig is huge!!!!!!!!!!

Its is, but is changes all the time so don't worry lol

by Guest Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:33 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
sassy wrote:

You have honey, you really have lol

Suppose a lot happens in a year! Lol

Shit Sass your sig is huge!!!!!!!!!!

it must be a scale model of her ass...lol

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