Conservative anchor, 22, becomes viral star with passionate rant against Obama: Heated speech about President's 'half-baked' ISIS policy is viewed nearly one million times... and counting

Conservative anchor, 22, becomes viral star with passionate rant against Obama: Heated speech about President's 'half-baked' ISIS policy is viewed nearly one million times... and counting

Tomi Lahren called out Obama on her show, One America News Network's On Point with Tomi Lahren
The comments came after four U.S. Marines and one active-duty Navy reservist were killed in a shooting on Thursday in Chattanooga, Tennessee
Lahren, from Rapid City, South Dakota, comes from a family of Marines
She claimed that 'radical Islam is becoming the rule, not the exception. Yesterday's moderate is today's terrorist'

A conservative news anchor has been catapulted to internet celebrity status after a video of her blasting President Barack Obama's efforts in the fight against terrorism went viral.

Tomi Lahren, host of One America News Network's On Point with Tomi Lahren, called out Obama's administration for their 'half-way, half-baked, tip-toe, be-friendly-to-Jihadis mentality' in a passionate speech that has been viewed more than 755,000 times on YouTube.


The conservative 22-year-old's comments, said on Friday's episode on the fringe broadcast network, were in reference to the fatal shooting of four U.S. Marines and one active-duty Navy reservist, in Chattanooga, Tennessee, on Thursday.


Read more about the video that is going viral (and strangely, being removed from Facebook...!)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168926/Tomi-Lahren-22-rants-live-TV-Obama-s-tip-toe-efforts-against-terrorism.html

What on earth does the shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee have to do with ISIL? These people sure get confused.

Just another pretty face with an empty head.

Well she has some good points actually Quill.
And that's a tad condescending - how would you like it if your daughter was referred to, that way?

eddie wrote:Well she has some good points actually Quill.
And that's a tad condescending - how would you like it if your daughter was referred to, that way?

It was an intended insult, not some accidental slip of the tongue.  Neither of my daughters are as stupid as this ditz.  The shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee was of a military recruiting office in a civilian mall.  It ostensibly had to do with the military and it had to do with recruitment.  It had nothing to do with ISIL; we don't even have any troops in Syria.  Least of all did the shooter say he was blowing shit up for ISIL.  There is no connection:

CNN wrote:Authorities [have admitted they cannot say] "whether it was an act of terrorism or whether it was a criminal act," Ed Reinhold, FBI special agent in charge, told reporters. "We are looking at every possible avenue, whether it was terrorism -- whether it was domestic, international -- or whether it was a simple, criminal act."

The connection apparently is that the US is THE militaristic nation in the whole wide world and we should have troops all over the globe.  Then you could pick a spot--say East Timor--and say that the shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee was by East Timorese, and we should wipe them out...or some such nonsense.

My insult of this ditz is in fact an insult directed at RW'ers everywhere.  This is what they do.  They cannot reason...so they make vague, loose connections and haul off on a tirade that makes sense only to them.  They want us to make war--that's called killing babies--a connection they lose sight of--on the basis of their thin associations, killing off our youth and incurring another $17-trillion in debt.

But the RW'ers are ruddy-faced, old white men.  Not a pretty picture in themselves.  So, what do they do?  They hire these non compos mentis blonds to lure other old white men into thinking they can get laid if they only buy into their inane connections.  The blonds don't care...they just got a sugar-daddy to pay their rent if they read this script they don't understand.  They haven't got an ounce of original thought in their green apple-brains, and if they knew the meaning of half the terms they use, it would blow a hole in the back of their craniums.

I used to think that this was the story of Megyn Kelly, until, damn, she show some balls.  But just because she showed she has the right stuff doesn't mean that the old white men didn't hire her originally because they thought she was just another ditz with a pretty face.

Chattanooga, Tennessee.  ISIL.  Indeed.  You can see the mush draining out her ear.

I see.

So you're erm....full of hate, for these hating RW'er's?

Nothing wrong with hating people who cause so much harm. The loose connections Quill mentioned enabled the Bush administration to invade Iraq, which led directly to the rise of ISIS. These people encourage bloodthirsty chest-pounding and end up getting a lot more people killed than a cool-headed, adult approach to resolving conflicts would have.

You also have to bear in mind that the left handles hatred much differently than the dunderheads who employ people like this anchor. You don't see liberals making statements like:

Tbh Ben, I find extremes of both sides, left and right, to be dangerous and idiotic.

eddie wrote:Tbh Ben, I find extremes of both sides, left and right, to be dangerous and idiotic.

But -- when's the last time an extreme liberal killed a bunch of people?

Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park bomber, killed one (and one indirectly) and wounded 111 others. His motive for the bombing, according to Rudolph’s own admission, was political. He also had bombed an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb, killing 2 and injuring six. Extremist chatter on the Internet while he was evading capture praised him as “a hero.”

In 1993 Michael Frederick Griffin murdered Dr. David Gunn in Pensacola, Florida. He waited outside Gunn’s clinic and shot him three times, yelling, “Don’t kill any more babies.” He is currently serving a term of life in prison.

A little more than a year later, Paul Hill shot Dr. Bayard Britton in the head with a 12-gauge shotgun. Hill also killed Britton’s bodyguard, retired Air Force lieutenant James Barrett, 74, and wounded Barrett’s wife June, a retired nurse. Hill bragged that “… no innocent babies are going to be killed in that clinic today.”

Anti-abortion terrorist John Salvi carried out two fatal attacks on two abortion clinics in Brookline, Massachusetts in December 1994. Receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in the attacks. He escaped but was captured after another clinic attack in which he killed 2 more receptionists on March 19, 1996.

Anti-immigrant vigilantes murdered Raul Flores Jr and his 9-year-old daughter Brisenia at point-blank range in their Tucson, Arizona home in 2009. A month earlier another young girl had died in a gun massacre in which anti-immigrant protestors were implicated.

In 1998, James Kopp shot and killed Dr. Barnett Slepian. Kopp was affiliated with the militant Lambs Of Christ anti-abortion group.

Militia wanna-be Bruce Turnidge went apeshit after Barack Obama was elected in 2008. He and his son, Joshua, succumbed to NRA hype and fear. They built and planted a bomb at a bank in Woodburn, Oregon on Dec. 12th, killing 2 police officers and wounding two others.

George Richard Tiller, MD was murdered inside his church on May 21, 2009 by Scott Roeder, a militant anti-abortion protestor. Tiller had been shot and wounded 16 years earlier by another anti-abortion militant, Shelley Shannon.

There's a lot more where that comes from. Meanwhile, I found a report that of the global terrorist attacks classified as motivated by environmentalism or anti-globalism from 2001-2010, there were four people injured, no deaths.

Do you know what is sad, that the picture is a joke. John Cena is a Billion times better than Trump or Hilliary



And to think he held the record for most wishes granted when he reached 250 and now he is over 500

Being a good person might not be the only thing a president needs But it is a start and something missing in politics today.

Awesome, I didn't know that. I did hear a cool story about the actor Ron Perlman, who played Hellboy in the movies. A boy in the make-a-wish program wished to meet Hellboy in person, and word somehow got to Perlman. He decided to get the film crew together to put him in full Hellboy makeup, which took four hours to do, and met the boy in character:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Tbh Ben, I find extremes of both sides, left and right, to be dangerous and idiotic.

But -- when's the last time an extreme liberal killed a bunch of people?

Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park bomber, killed one (and one indirectly) and wounded 111 others. His motive for the bombing, according to Rudolph’s own admission, was political.  He also had bombed an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb, killing 2 and injuring six. Extremist chatter on the Internet while he was evading capture praised him as “a hero.”

In 1993 Michael Frederick Griffin murdered Dr. David Gunn in Pensacola, Florida. He waited outside Gunn’s clinic and shot him three times, yelling, “Don’t kill any more babies.” He is currently serving a term of life in prison.

A little more than a year later, Paul Hill shot Dr. Bayard Britton in the head with a 12-gauge shotgun. Hill also killed Britton’s bodyguard, retired Air Force lieutenant James Barrett, 74, and wounded Barrett’s wife June, a retired nurse. Hill bragged that “…  no innocent babies are going to be killed in that clinic today.”

Anti-abortion terrorist John Salvi carried out two fatal attacks on two abortion clinics in Brookline, Massachusetts in December 1994. Receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in the attacks. He escaped but was captured after another clinic attack in which he killed 2 more receptionists on March 19, 1996.

Anti-immigrant vigilantes murdered Raul Flores Jr and his 9-year-old daughter Brisenia at point-blank range in their Tucson, Arizona home in 2009. A month earlier another young girl had died in a gun massacre in which anti-immigrant protestors were implicated.

In 1998, James Kopp shot and killed Dr. Barnett Slepian. Kopp was affiliated with the militant Lambs Of Christ anti-abortion group.

Militia wanna-be Bruce Turnidge went apeshit after Barack Obama was elected in 2008. He and his son, Joshua, succumbed to NRA hype and fear. They built and planted a bomb at a bank in Woodburn, Oregon on Dec. 12th, killing 2 police officers and wounding two others.

George Richard Tiller, MD was murdered inside his church on May 21, 2009 by Scott Roeder, a militant anti-abortion protestor. Tiller had been shot and wounded 16 years earlier by another anti-abortion militant, Shelley Shannon.

There's a lot more where that comes from. Meanwhile, I found a report that of the global terrorist attacks classified as motivated by environmentalism or anti-globalism from 2001-2010, there were four people injured, no deaths.

So it's only killing people that's dangerous to society???
Some of the left's Attitudes have ruined society and made a mockery of justice.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Well she has some good points actually Quill.
And that's a tad condescending - how would you like it if your daughter was referred to, that way?

It was an intended insult, not some accidental slip of the tongue.  Neither of my daughters are as stupid as this ditz.  The shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee was of a military recruiting office in a civilian mall.  It ostensibly had to do with the military and it had to do with recruitment.  It had nothing to do with ISIL; we don't even have any troops in Syria.  Least of all did the shooter say he was blowing shit up for ISIL.  There is no connection:

CNN wrote:Authorities [have admitted they cannot say] "whether it was an act of terrorism or whether it was a criminal act," Ed Reinhold, FBI special agent in charge, told reporters. "We are looking at every possible avenue, whether it was terrorism -- whether it was domestic, international -- or whether it was a simple, criminal act."

The connection apparently is that the US is THE militaristic nation in the whole wide world and we should have troops all over the globe.  Then you could pick a spot--say East Timor--and say that the shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee was by East Timorese, and we should wipe them out...or some such nonsense.

My insult of this ditz is in fact an insult directed at RW'ers everywhere.  This is what they do.  They cannot reason...so they make vague, loose connections and haul off on a tirade that makes sense only to them.  They want us to make war--that's called killing babies--a connection they lose sight of--on the basis of their thin associations, killing off our youth and incurring another $17-trillion in debt.

But the RW'ers are ruddy-faced, old white men.  Not a pretty picture in themselves.  So, what do they do?  They hire these non compos mentis blonds to lure other old white men into thinking they can get laid if they only buy into their inane connections.  The blonds don't care...they just got a sugar-daddy to pay their rent if they read this script they don't understand.  They haven't got an ounce of original thought in their green apple-brains, and if they knew the meaning of half the terms they use, it would blow a hole in the back of their craniums.

I used to think that this was the story of Megyn Kelly, until, damn, she show some balls.  But just because she showed she has the right stuff doesn't mean that the old white men didn't hire her originally because they thought she was just another ditz with a pretty face.

Chattanooga, Tennessee.  ISIL.  Indeed.  You can see the mush draining out her ear.

This has to be one of your worst posts ever.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It was an intended insult, not some accidental slip of the tongue.  Neither of my daughters are as stupid as this ditz.  The shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee was of a military recruiting office in a civilian mall.  It ostensibly had to do with the military and it had to do with recruitment.  It had nothing to do with ISIL; we don't even have any troops in Syria.  Least of all did the shooter say he was blowing shit up for ISIL.  There is no connection:



The connection apparently is that the US is THE militaristic nation in the whole wide world and we should have troops all over the globe.  Then you could pick a spot--say East Timor--and say that the shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee was by East Timorese, and we should wipe them out...or some such nonsense.

My insult of this ditz is in fact an insult directed at RW'ers everywhere.  This is what they do.  They cannot reason...so they make vague, loose connections and haul off on a tirade that makes sense only to them.  They want us to make war--that's called killing babies--a connection they lose sight of--on the basis of their thin associations, killing off our youth and incurring another $17-trillion in debt.

But the RW'ers are ruddy-faced, old white men.  Not a pretty picture in themselves.  So, what do they do?  They hire these non compos mentis blonds to lure other old white men into thinking they can get laid if they only buy into their inane connections.  The blonds don't care...they just got a sugar-daddy to pay their rent if they read this script they don't understand.  They haven't got an ounce of original thought in their green apple-brains, and if they knew the meaning of half the terms they use, it would blow a hole in the back of their craniums.

I used to think that this was the story of Megyn Kelly, until, damn, she show some balls.  But just because she showed she has the right stuff doesn't mean that the old white men didn't hire her originally because they thought she was just another ditz with a pretty face.

Chattanooga, Tennessee.  ISIL.  Indeed.  You can see the mush draining out her ear.

This has to be one of your worst posts ever.

Hi Raggs,

Just shows you how political we become. I have read, and re-read it last night, and I proudly believe it is one of my best posts ever. It succinctly gathers together all that is wrong with Republicans and conservatives--their irrationality and loose associations, and lies to make up for their shortcomings, with their willingness to become reckless beyond belief--and to package all that evil inside a blond bimbo telling lies. It's mendacity being sold by mendacity.

And look how small and modest the post is. Efficient...getting the message across with so few words.

...xx

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

This has to be one of your worst posts ever.

Hi Raggs,

Just shows you how political we become.  I have read, and re-read it last night, and I proudly believe it is one of my best posts ever.  It succinctly gathers together all that is wrong with Republicans and conservatives--their irrationality and loose associations, and lies to make up for their shortcomings, with their willingness to become reckless beyond belief--and to package all that evil inside a blond bimbo telling lies.  It's mendacity being sold by mendacity.  

And look how small and modest the post is.  Efficient...getting the message across with so few words.

...xx

It's terrible!

First of all, you lumped all blonde women together, and implied that they're all thick and are looking for a "sugar daddy". Secondly, you insulted "old men" who are white with "ruddy" faces, and implied that they're all looking for some "blonde" in order to "get laid".

So sexism and racism all in one post. Perhaps you are proud of that.

No mention of the poor chaps who got shot of course. I suppose that doesn't matter to you at all.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Hi Raggs,

Just shows you how political we become.  I have read, and re-read it last night, and I proudly believe it is one of my best posts ever.  It succinctly gathers together all that is wrong with Republicans and conservatives--their irrationality and loose associations, and lies to make up for their shortcomings, with their willingness to become reckless beyond belief--and to package all that evil inside a blond bimbo telling lies.  It's mendacity being sold by mendacity.  

And look how small and modest the post is.  Efficient...getting the message across with so few words.

...xx

It's terrible!

First of all, you lumped all blonde women together, and implied that they're all thick and are looking for a "sugar daddy". Secondly, you insulted "old men" who are white with "ruddy" faces, and implied that they're all looking for some "blonde" in order to "get laid".

So sexism and racism all in one post. Perhaps you are proud of that.

No mention of the poor chaps who got shot of course. I suppose that doesn't matter to you at all.

I didn't lump together the blonds.  Republicans and conservatives did.  Fox News started it.  It's their conscious campaign.  I just commented.

I use 'ruddy-faced' as a description deliberately.  I wanted to emphasize that this is how these people recognize themselves.  Not black...not brown...not even slightly swarthy Italian or Greek.  There's a real hierarchy going on among racism and racists; you guys in Britain are amateurs when it comes to understanding the code.

The chaps who got shot, according to Republicans and conservatives, are irrelevant.  Republicans and conservatives co-opted them and their tragedy for their own purposes. Read the OP; that's where this story started.  Disgraceful?  Yep.  But look over there, not over here.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's terrible!

First of all, you lumped all blonde women together, and implied that they're all thick and are looking for a "sugar daddy". Secondly, you insulted "old men" who are white with "ruddy" faces, and implied that they're all looking for some "blonde" in order to "get laid".

So sexism and racism all in one post. Perhaps you are proud of that.

No mention of the poor chaps who got shot of course. I suppose that doesn't matter to you at all.

I didn't lump together the blonds.  Republicans and conservatives did.  Fox News started it.  It's their conscious campaign.  I just commented.

I use 'ruddy-faced' as a description deliberately.  I wanted to emphasize that this is how these people recognize themselves.  Not black...not brown...not even slightly swarthy Italian or Greek.  There's a real hierarchy going on among racism and racists; you guys in Britain are amateurs when it comes to understanding the code.

The chaps who got shot, according to Republicans and conservatives, are irrelevant.  Republicans and conservatives co-opted them and their tragedy for their own purposes.  Read the OP; that's where this story started.  Disgraceful?  Yep.  But look over there, not over here.

You'll find that it was you who commented on the colour of the lady's hair, and pretty much called her stupid on the basis of that. It was you who commented on the age and skin colour of the people you despise. It was you who failed to comment on the people who got shot. Don't blame anyone else for what you did.

"Ruddy faced"? Are you calling these people redskins?

You see Quill, what is so absurd is that you don't like black people being lumped together, but you do it yourself. You just do it to different groups of people.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Nothing wrong with hating people who cause so much harm. The loose connections Quill mentioned enabled the Bush administration to invade Iraq, which led directly to the rise of ISIS. These people encourage bloodthirsty chest-pounding and end up getting a lot more people killed than a cool-headed, adult approach to resolving conflicts would have.

You also have to bear in mind that the left handles hatred much differently than the dunderheads who employ people like this anchor. You don't see liberals making statements like:

I was against the invasion of Iraq by bush/Blair... your so called right nut jobs and our left nut jobs...


But it was the Obama administration that backed the resulting Shia majority rule over Iraq which totally marginalised the Sunni,   who are now ISIS, and the early cut and run exit away before security and stability was properly established that has allowed this resulting cluster fuck to happen!!!


Although it could also be argued that this deluge into conflict and medieval barbarity has always been waiting to happen because of the nature of the Islam and the people in the region and their underlying divide between Shia and Sunni... and that this inevitable continuation of the centuries old war has only been temporarily suspended by imposition of strong dictators and western military involvement which has largely prevented it up till recently...

eddie wrote:So it's only killing people that's dangerous to society???
Some of the left's Attitudes have ruined society and made a mockery of justice.

Well, I'd say murder is the worst thing you can do to another person ... I'd be interested to hear some examples of how the left is ruining society (I bet they're British examples )

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Nothing wrong with hating people who cause so much harm. The loose connections Quill mentioned enabled the Bush administration to invade Iraq, which led directly to the rise of ISIS. These people encourage bloodthirsty chest-pounding and end up getting a lot more people killed than a cool-headed, adult approach to resolving conflicts would have.

You also have to bear in mind that the left handles hatred much differently than the dunderheads who employ people like this anchor. You don't see liberals making statements like:

I was against the invasion of Iraq by bush/Blair... your so called right nut jobs and our left nut jobs...


But it was the Obama administration that backed the resulting Shia majority rule over Iraq which totally marginalised the Sunni,   who are now ISIS, and the early cut and run exit away before security and stability was properly established that has allowed this resulting cluster fuck to happen!!!


Although it could also be argued that this deluge into conflict and medieval barbarity has always been waiting to happen because of the nature of the Islam and the people in the region and their underlying divide between Shia and Sunni... and that this inevitable continuation of the centuries old war has only been temporarily suspended by imposition of strong dictators and western military involvement which has largely prevented it up till recently...

Blaming Obama for any of this is hogwash; "cut and run"? Bush signed the law that declared the day coalition forces had to pull out of his mess!

As for Iraq, they have never initiated war against a Western nation.

Raggamuffin wrote:You see Quill, what is so absurd is that you don't like black people being lumped together, but you do it yourself. You just do it to different groups of people.

Oh he really really does. And does it all the time.
He's one of these people that a lot of black people hate; "He's so NOT racist.....he despises his own colour!"

Which of course, he doesn't. Far from it.

New president... new rules...



Chose.cut and run rather than stay and secure and sort out...


Left it instead in an almighty shit storm

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I didn't lump together the blonds.  Republicans and conservatives did.  Fox News started it.  It's their conscious campaign.  I just commented.

I use 'ruddy-faced' as a description deliberately.  I wanted to emphasize that this is how these people recognize themselves.  Not black...not brown...not even slightly swarthy Italian or Greek.  There's a real hierarchy going on among racism and racists; you guys in Britain are amateurs when it comes to understanding the code.

The chaps who got shot, according to Republicans and conservatives, are irrelevant.  Republicans and conservatives co-opted them and their tragedy for their own purposes.  Read the OP; that's where this story started.  Disgraceful?  Yep.  But look over there, not over here.

You'll find that it was you who commented on the colour of the lady's hair...

Aye, and was I wrong?  No, absolutely not.  

You're a little behind on this thread.  First came the commentary by the blond lady co-opting the lives of the four marines who were killed.  My comment, first, was how they co-oped the incident and turned it into a political diatribe about Democrats and ISIL.  Conservatives have no empathy for anyone, so the death of those four Marines mean nothing to them; crassly, they think how can I either make a profit or turn an advantage by their deaths?  They chose to make issue with ISIL and the president; I was calling the out for it.

Second, the use of blond bombshell Tomi Lahren was self-evident and obviously intentional from the start. I commented about the tactic of getting ditzy blonds to put before the camera, to attract attention to their message.  Score!  I was right again.

Raggamuffin wrote:...and pretty much called her stupid on the basis of that. It was you who commented on the age and skin colour of the people you despise. It was you who failed to comment on the people who got shot. Don't blame anyone else for what you did.

Well, of course, any conservative is stupid.  So it wasn't on the basis of hair color that I called her dumb.  Conservatives can't or won't reason.  This is because 1) they don't want to bring up the truth, because the truth is they are selfish and want to rip off the people without having to pay for it (hence the lower taxes.); 2) they want to distract the people, because people vote and they can't buy those votes.  So Republicans and conservatives lie or dissemble to distract the people.  Hence the blonds.  Hence all the name-calling.  Hence the pseudo-investigations.  Hence the saber rattling.  Hence the wars.  All in a concerted effort to distract the people from intelligent discussion about whose interests the conservative elite are ripping off.

Raggamuffin wrote:"Ruddy faced"? Are you calling these people redskins?

All that was explained on my previous post.  All of the conservative power structure is old, white and male.  These are the people we are talking about.  What's whiter than white?  White with a ruddy complexion...just so you know that I'm talking about the whiter-than-white crowd.

As America becomes more Hispanic and ethnic, the conservatives resort to deception to turn heads away from interest politics, because they know that discussion will lead right to whose interests does government serve.  Who gets the defense contracts; who runs the hedge funds; all while the white cop guns down--who??  The system is stacked.  And conservatives know that any real, intelligent discussion will lead right to their doorstep.

Quill, you have judged a woman because of the colour of her hair. You can deny it all you like.

You have also judged people for having a "ruddy" complexion.

Like I said, sexist and racist.

Raggamuffin wrote:Quill, you have judged a woman because of the colour of her hair. You can deny it all you like.

Wrong. She was already out there, selected by the conservatives as a distraction. That's a fact. I had nothing to do with the decision to choose her.

What I commented on was the mendacity of using a blond bombshell in order to obfuscate from real issues. That was my point. The blond was already blond well before we started this thread.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Quill, you have judged a woman because of the colour of her hair. You can deny it all you like.

Wrong.  She was already out there, selected by the conservatives as a distraction.  That's a fact.  I had nothing to do with the decision to choose her.

What I commented on was the mendacity of using a blond bombshell in order to obfuscate from real issues.  That was my point.  The blond was already blond well before we started this thread.

So one woman, who happens to be blonde, makes some comments you don't like, and suddenly you're lumping loads of people together and reading all sorts into it. I'll remember that next time you complain about anyone lumping your favourite people together.

Raggamuffin wrote:So one woman, who happens to be blonde, makes some comments you don't like, and suddenly you're lumping loads of people together and reading all sorts into it. I'll remember that next time you complain about anyone lumping your favourite people together.

Raggs, your attempts to avoid my criticisms are obvious, despite your distraction. You insist on emphasizing this girl's features, rather than the real point of the use of attractive women to avoid real, reasonable discussion.

But of course. That's what they are doing. And that's what you are doing. How silly of me not to catch on. Doh!

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:So one woman, who happens to be blonde, makes some comments you don't like, and suddenly you're lumping loads of people together and reading all sorts into it. I'll remember that next time you complain about anyone lumping your favourite people together.

Raggs, your attempts to avoid my criticisms are obvious, despite your distraction.  You insist on emphasizing this girl's features, rather than the real point of the use of attractive women to avoid real, reasonable discussion.

But of course.  That's what they are doing.  And that's what you are doing.  How silly of me not to catch on.  Doh!

You're the one who emphasised her features - ie, her blonde hair. Not only that, but you also lumped in every other woman who is blonde.

They hire these non compos mentis blonds to lure other old white men into thinking they can get laid if they only buy into their inane connections. The blonds don't care...they just got a sugar-daddy to pay their rent if they read this script they don't understand.

Raggamuffin wrote:You see Quill, what is so absurd is that you don't like black people being lumped together, but you do it yourself. You just do it to different groups of people.

Where did you get the idea that I don't like black people lumped together?? I don't like black people discriminated against...that's where I'm at.

People generalize all the time. Thus they are "lumped together". You can't get away from it. It's a feature of the language, not of any sociological or political movement.

What is too bad is that white people need to single out black people and set them aside for special treatment, instead of including them in the normal fruits and benefits of society. That's called discrimination.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:You see Quill, what is so absurd is that you don't like black people being lumped together, but you do it yourself. You just do it to different groups of people.

Where did you get the idea that I don't like black people lumped together??  I don't like black people discriminated against...that's where I'm at.

People generalize all the time.  Thus they are "lumped together".  You can't get away from it.  It's a feature of the language, not of any sociological or political movement.

What is too bad is that white people need to single out black people and set them aside for special treatment, instead of including them in the normal fruits and benefits of society.  That's called discrimination.

Single out as in single them out as a group - ie, lumping them together. That's exactly what you're doing.

Raggamuffin wrote:You're the one who emphasised her features - ie, her blonde hair. Not only that, but you also lumped in every other woman who is blonde.

Of course. You got the symbology right, but completely missed the point. Use of an attractive blond spokesperson is a distraction. Distraction is something that conservatives do because their points can't withstand strict scrutiny.

The fact that she is dumb is merely further evidence that she wasn't selected because of her intellectual depth or quick wit.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Where did you get the idea that I don't like black people lumped together??  I don't like black people discriminated against...that's where I'm at.

People generalize all the time.  Thus they are "lumped together".  You can't get away from it.  It's a feature of the language, not of any sociological or political movement.

What is too bad is that white people need to single out black people and set them aside for special treatment, instead of including them in the normal fruits and benefits of society.  That's called discrimination.

Single out as in single them out as a group - ie, lumping them together. That's exactly what you're doing.

Wrong again. Singling out and lumping together are two different things. It's the singling out that is the gravamen of discrimination. Haven't you ever heard from Jews about The Selection? The selection was the separating out of a people for genocide...something right next to discrimination.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Single out as in single them out as a group - ie, lumping them together. That's exactly what you're doing.

Wrong again.  Singling out and lumping together are two different things.  It's the singling out that is the gravamen of discrimination.  Haven't you ever heard from Jews about The Selection?  The selection was the separating out of a people for genocide...something right next to discrimination.

Not in this context. If someone is singled out because of the colour of their skin, it's because they're being lumped together with others who have the same colour skin.

Let's face it Quill, if a black woman said something you thought was stupid, you wouldn't sit there banging on about her "black frizzy hair", would you? You think nothing of judging a white women because of the colour of her hair though.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:You're the one who emphasised her features - ie, her blonde hair. Not only that, but you also lumped in every other woman who is blonde.

Of course.  You got the symbology right,  but completely missed the point.  Use of an attractive blond spokesperson is a distraction.  Distraction is something that conservatives do because their points can't withstand strict scrutiny.

The fact that she is dumb is merely further evidence that she wasn't selected because of her intellectual depth or quick wit.

Quill, you didn't like what she said, but that doesn't make her dumb. I've noticed before that you have a low opinion of women in general, particularly white ones, but don't kid yourself that you're more intelligent than them just because you're a man.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Single out as in single them out as a group - ie, lumping them together. That's exactly what you're doing.

Wrong again.  Singling out and lumping together are two different things.  It's the singling out that is the gravamen of discrimination.  Haven't you ever heard from Jews about The Selection?  The selection was the separating out of a people for genocide...something right next to discrimination.

Not in this context. If someone is singled out because of the colour of their skin, it's because they're being lumped together with others who have the same colour skin.

Let's face it Quill, if a black woman said something you thought was stupid, you wouldn't sit there banging on about her "black frizzy hair", would you? You think nothing of judging a white women because of the colour of her hair though.

He simply wouldn't dare.
Like I said, he's so "not" racist that he's turned full circle and despises his own colour.

Well, I don't often side with Quill, but I think you are both missing his point.  They want someone to say something nasty, so get someone who looks the opposite of nasty to do it.  Because the message they are putting across is for white, rightwing, they use the face of nice rightwing, that would be blonde women who give the appearance of being a bit dim.  Now, if they were trying to put a nasty message across to a appeal to black left wing, they would use a pretty vacuous black girl to do it, because you get a nasty message across without a load of grief, by using a 'nice but dim' face to do it.

I agree, there are many times Quill doesn't show the greatest respect for women.  I don't think this is one of them, you have just missed his point by a mile.

I haven't missed his point sass, I know what he's saying, I even agree with it. After all, when they have terrorist news to report over here, they usually use Asians to report it - I get that point.

My point is this: quill will often be quite condescending and even scathing about white people, but never, would he use that tone against a black or Asian person to have a dig.

He's done such a 360, he's almost anti-White.

Tommy Monk wrote:

New president... new rules...



Chose.cut and run rather than stay and secure and sort out...


Left it instead in an almighty shit storm

Bush left it an almighty shit storm, having no strategy for what happens after war. Bush set the deadline for troops to leave.

The whole war was Bush's idea, was a waste of lives and resources, accomplished nothing and created all kinds of problems. ISIS is Bush and Blair's legacy to the world.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Of course.  You got the symbology right,  but completely missed the point.  Use of an attractive blond spokesperson is a distraction.  Distraction is something that conservatives do because their points can't withstand strict scrutiny.

The fact that she is dumb is merely further evidence that she wasn't selected because of her intellectual depth or quick wit.

Quill, you didn't like what she said, but that doesn't make her dumb. I've noticed before that you have a low opinion of women in general, particularly white ones, but don't kid yourself that you're more intelligent than them just because you're a man.

No, I agree.  She's not necessarily dumb.  It's just the script they had her reading was dumb.

Look, any conservative is going to sound that way.  Their agenda is not to sound smart, but to make loose associations and generally deflect the conversation away from interest politics.  She was put up for reasons of distraction, whatever she said.  It's just that they gave her a script fraught with stupidity.  A pretty girl put forth for purposes of distraction + a script fraught with stupid notions = a dumb blond.

She may be otherwise in real life, but that's not her role.

sassy wrote:Well, I don't often side with Quill, but I think you are both missing his point.  They want someone to say something nasty, so get someone who looks the opposite of nasty to do it.  Because the message they are putting across is for white, rightwing, they use the face of nice rightwing, that would be blonde women who give the appearance of being a bit dim.  Now, if they were trying to put a nasty message across to a appeal to black left wing, they would use a pretty vacuous black girl to do it, because you get a nasty message across without a load of grief, by using a 'nice but dim' face to do it.

Precisely. +1.0000

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

New president... new rules...

Chose.cut and run rather than stay and secure and sort out...

Left it instead in an almighty shit storm

Bush left it an almighty shit storm, having no strategy for what happens after war. Bush set the deadline for troops to leave.

The whole war was Bush's idea, was a waste of lives and resources, accomplished nothing and created all kinds of problems. ISIS is Bush and Blair's legacy to the world.

The Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in January 2009, in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of the next depression, the auto industry in bankruptcy, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Ladin still alive and running around.

Obama got the country out of Iraq, saved America from the next Depression, brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.5%, saved the auto industry, oversaw the creation of 4.5-million jobs, oversaw the American stock market soar to over $17,000 average in the Dow Jones (highest ever), finally created a highly successful medical care system (despite the sour grapes of Republicans) and he got bin Laden when the Republican administration was completely inept at finding him.

That's a hell of a record, particularly in the face of obstruction by the Republicans in the form of the McConnell/Boehner doctrine.. The only reason Republicans don't like him is because of his race. Racism is their problem.

Original Quill wrote:

sassy wrote:Well, I don't often side with Quill, but I think you are both missing his point.  They want someone to say something nasty, so get someone who looks the opposite of nasty to do it.  Because the message they are putting across is for white, rightwing, they use the face of nice rightwing, that would be blonde women who give the appearance of being a bit dim.  Now, if they were trying to put a nasty message across to a appeal to black left wing, they would use a pretty vacuous black girl to do it, because you get a nasty message across without a load of grief, by using a 'nice but dim' face to do it.

Precisely.  +1.0000  

I haven't missed his point sass, I know what he's saying, I even agree with it. After all, when they have terrorist news to report over here, they usually use Asians to report it - I get that point.

My point is this: quill will often be quite condescending and even scathing about white people, but never, would he use that tone against a black or Asian person to have a dig.

He's done such a 360, he's almost anti-White.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Quill, you didn't like what she said, but that doesn't make her dumb. I've noticed before that you have a low opinion of women in general, particularly white ones, but don't kid yourself that you're more intelligent than them just because you're a man.

No, I agree.  She's not necessarily dumb.  It's just the script they had her reading was dumb.

Look, any conservative is going to sound that way.  Their agenda is not to sound smart, but to make loose associations and generally deflect the conversation away from interest politics.  She was put up for reasons of distraction, whatever she said.  It's just that they gave her a script fraught with stupidity.  A pretty girl put forth for purposes of distraction + a script fraught with stupid notions = a dumb blond.

She may be otherwise in real life, but that's not her role.

There you go again - "dumb blond". That's stereotyping Quill. You know how you don't like Americans stereotyping black people? Well how about you stop doing the same thing?

sassy wrote:Well, I don't often side with Quill, but I think you are both missing his point.  They want someone to say something nasty, so get someone who looks the opposite of nasty to do it.  Because the message they are putting across is for white, rightwing, they use the face of nice rightwing, that would be blonde women who give the appearance of being a bit dim.  Now, if they were trying to put a nasty message across to a appeal to black left wing, they would use a pretty vacuous black girl to do it, because you get a nasty message across without a load of grief, by using a 'nice but dim' face to do it.

I agree, there are many times Quill doesn't show the greatest respect for women.  I don't think this is one of them, you have just missed his point by a mile.

Women like you just reinforce the stereotype - ie, that blonde women are a bit dim. No wonder Quill is so sexist when he has women like you to back him up.

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Precisely.  +1.0000  

I haven't missed his point sass, I know what he's saying, I even agree with it. After all, when they have terrorist news to report over here, they usually use Asians to report it - I get that point.

My point is this: quill will often be quite condescending and even scathing about white people, but never, would he use that tone against a black or Asian person to have a dig.

He's done such a 360, he's almost anti-White.

If a black person had said it, Quill would be singing their praises and saying what great points they made.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Precisely.  +1.0000  

I haven't missed his point sass, I know what he's saying, I even agree with it. After all, when they have terrorist news to report over here, they usually use Asians to report it - I get that point.

My point is this: quill will often be quite condescending and even scathing about white people, but never, would he use that tone against a black or Asian person to have a dig.

He's done such a 360, he's almost anti-White.

If a black person had said it, Quill would be singing their praises and saying what great points they made.

I know.

I e thought it for a long time. He's so out to prove how non-racist he is he makes himself look slightly feverish.....almost "ruddy"

Sorry is this debate about bitching about Quill or a debate about this clearly deluded Fox news reporter?

Cuchulain wrote:Sorry is this debate about bitching about Quill or a debate about this clearly deluded Fox news reporter?

It's about the way quill has turned it into a rant about a woman?
Threads often go into other by-topics, as you know.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Sorry is this debate about bitching about Quill or a debate about this clearly deluded Fox news reporter?

It's about the way quill has turned it into a rant about a woman?
Threads often go into other by-topics, as you know.

No its just a poor excuse to slag quill off when he is rightly showing this woman who made this rant is an idiot.
What the woman said was wrong born from Christian Conservatism, are you claiming what she said was in anyway right? Do you understand this is the President who actually sends drones to kill many terrorists? Has been able to kill Bin Laden. So to claim he is not doing anything is poor where this wackadoodle seems to be implying to hold all Muslims in the US as comparable.
Shes an idiot full stop

Killed bin laden!

Hahahahahahahaha yeah right.

But that's another topic!