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What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:01 pm
Although it may seem an irrelevance in almost wholly secularized Britain, the Church of England still manages to maintain a semblance of moral authority. This was on display last week after Prime Minister David Cameron spoke of a “swarm” of migrants seeking entry to Britain from refugee camps in the French port of Calais. The Right Rev. Trevor Wilmott, the Bishop of Dover, responded sternly: Cameron’s words reflected a “toxicity” in public discourse that leads us to “forget our humanity.”
While it was likely that the refugee crisis troubling Europe would wash up on British shores, the attitude of the government has proved more surprising. Historically, policy has followed public disquiet over immigration. By crafting a narrative for the public to follow, Cameron, who once worked in public relations, has presented another approach.
There have been three significant waves of immigration to Britain since the late 19th century. The first arose from a humanitarian crisis, the pogroms of Tsarist Russia. As Anthony Julius states in Trials of the Diaspora (2010), around 150,000 Jews sought sanctuary in Britain between 1880 and 1905. The second occurred after 1948, when the Labour government granted British citizenship to all living in the Commonwealth. Ministers hoped to relieve labor shortfalls caused by a declining population and the need for post-WWII rebuilding. Initially, only a few thousand males from the West Indies, India, and Pakistan immigrated each year, but numbers increased rapidly in the mid 1950s. David Kynaston writes in Modernity Britain (2014) that two factors pushed this process: the desire to reunify families and the growing affluence of 1950s Britain. Between 1956 and 1961, the number of people arriving each year rose from 46,000 to 135,000. The third wave occurred after 2004, when several former communist nations joined the European Union. Britain offered new EU citizens free movement of labor. Between 2005 and 2009, almost 700,000 workers arrived from Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the Baltic States.
Each migratory pattern was met with virulent opposition. Julius notes the waves of anti-Semitism that accompanied Jewish refugees. Popular newspapers, music hall acts, political pamphlets, and public meetings proclaimed Jews to be a threat to the racial and public health of the nation and argued that cheap Jewish labor would lower standards of living. Kynaston shows that Commonwealth citizens faced similar discrimination; white Britons led race riots against West Indians in 1958, for example. Racist sentiment surged after the Conservative MP Enoch Powell, in a 1968 speech, claimed that immigration would lead to “rivers of blood” in British streets. Post-colonial writers like Hanif Kureshi, Zadie Smith, Monica Ali, and Andrea Levy depict the development of an institutionalized racism in regards to policing, the justice system, workplace inequality, housing, educational opportunities, popular culture, and sports. Finally, popular tabloid newspapers such as the Daily Mail, the Express and the Sun formed a popular perception that EU migrants were parasites leaching from Britain’s welfare system. This is despite the fact that EU migrants proportionally contribute more to the exchequer than native-born Britons and receive fewer benefits.
Immigration has been the lifeblood of modern Britain. At the 2012 Olympic opening ceremony, Britons rightly celebrated their multi-cultural nation. Historical memory remembers the nation’s status as a safe haven for refugees. Arriving at this juncture has proved difficult and incomplete, however.
When it comes to immigration, British governments have followed rather than led. Popular anti-Semitism led to the passing of the Aliens Act by a Liberal government in 1905. By refusing entry to the indigent, this act targeted penniless Russian Jews fleeing their homes in the face of persecution. Growing unease with migration led a Conservative government to pass the Commonwealth Immigration Act (1962). This act restricted the right of entry for unskilled workers, a category that many Commonwealth immigrants fell into. Labour governments have been no less averse to playing the race card. The Commonwealth Immigration Act (1968), limited the right to immigrate to those who had a parent or grandparent born in Britain. This was a pre-emptive strike against a potential exodus of Indians facing discrimination in Uganda and Kenya. This legislation did not affect another Kenyan minority, the descendants of British colonial settlers. Most recently, the anti-immigrant UK Independence Party has stoked popular discontent. This led in the 2015 general election to both the Conservatives and Labour promising to limit immigration. So committed were the latter to this pledge that it was emblazoned on a commemorative mug.
In reality, the “swarm” of migrants does not exist. As its EU partners regularly point out, Britain fails to take in its fair share of asylum-seekers. Just a few thousand refugees reside in the camps at Calais. By contrast, over 200,000 people applied for asylum in Germany last year. Greece and Italy remain the first port of call for the refugee ships launched daily from North Africa and the Eastern Mediterranean. By creating the perception of crisis, Cameron avoids a politically unpopular decision and asserts his authority over the EU in anticipation of the 2016 referendum on British membership.
But another issue lurks in the background. Many refugees are fleeing political violence, whether in North Africa or by the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan and ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Given that British participation in the 2001 war against the Taliban, the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and the 2010 bombing of Libya contributed greatly to this instability should Britain – and the US for that matter – take greater responsibility for its actions?
Put simply: for reasons of history, fairness, and responsibility, Britain should do more.
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http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/160209
While it was likely that the refugee crisis troubling Europe would wash up on British shores, the attitude of the government has proved more surprising. Historically, policy has followed public disquiet over immigration. By crafting a narrative for the public to follow, Cameron, who once worked in public relations, has presented another approach.
There have been three significant waves of immigration to Britain since the late 19th century. The first arose from a humanitarian crisis, the pogroms of Tsarist Russia. As Anthony Julius states in Trials of the Diaspora (2010), around 150,000 Jews sought sanctuary in Britain between 1880 and 1905. The second occurred after 1948, when the Labour government granted British citizenship to all living in the Commonwealth. Ministers hoped to relieve labor shortfalls caused by a declining population and the need for post-WWII rebuilding. Initially, only a few thousand males from the West Indies, India, and Pakistan immigrated each year, but numbers increased rapidly in the mid 1950s. David Kynaston writes in Modernity Britain (2014) that two factors pushed this process: the desire to reunify families and the growing affluence of 1950s Britain. Between 1956 and 1961, the number of people arriving each year rose from 46,000 to 135,000. The third wave occurred after 2004, when several former communist nations joined the European Union. Britain offered new EU citizens free movement of labor. Between 2005 and 2009, almost 700,000 workers arrived from Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the Baltic States.
Each migratory pattern was met with virulent opposition. Julius notes the waves of anti-Semitism that accompanied Jewish refugees. Popular newspapers, music hall acts, political pamphlets, and public meetings proclaimed Jews to be a threat to the racial and public health of the nation and argued that cheap Jewish labor would lower standards of living. Kynaston shows that Commonwealth citizens faced similar discrimination; white Britons led race riots against West Indians in 1958, for example. Racist sentiment surged after the Conservative MP Enoch Powell, in a 1968 speech, claimed that immigration would lead to “rivers of blood” in British streets. Post-colonial writers like Hanif Kureshi, Zadie Smith, Monica Ali, and Andrea Levy depict the development of an institutionalized racism in regards to policing, the justice system, workplace inequality, housing, educational opportunities, popular culture, and sports. Finally, popular tabloid newspapers such as the Daily Mail, the Express and the Sun formed a popular perception that EU migrants were parasites leaching from Britain’s welfare system. This is despite the fact that EU migrants proportionally contribute more to the exchequer than native-born Britons and receive fewer benefits.
Immigration has been the lifeblood of modern Britain. At the 2012 Olympic opening ceremony, Britons rightly celebrated their multi-cultural nation. Historical memory remembers the nation’s status as a safe haven for refugees. Arriving at this juncture has proved difficult and incomplete, however.
When it comes to immigration, British governments have followed rather than led. Popular anti-Semitism led to the passing of the Aliens Act by a Liberal government in 1905. By refusing entry to the indigent, this act targeted penniless Russian Jews fleeing their homes in the face of persecution. Growing unease with migration led a Conservative government to pass the Commonwealth Immigration Act (1962). This act restricted the right of entry for unskilled workers, a category that many Commonwealth immigrants fell into. Labour governments have been no less averse to playing the race card. The Commonwealth Immigration Act (1968), limited the right to immigrate to those who had a parent or grandparent born in Britain. This was a pre-emptive strike against a potential exodus of Indians facing discrimination in Uganda and Kenya. This legislation did not affect another Kenyan minority, the descendants of British colonial settlers. Most recently, the anti-immigrant UK Independence Party has stoked popular discontent. This led in the 2015 general election to both the Conservatives and Labour promising to limit immigration. So committed were the latter to this pledge that it was emblazoned on a commemorative mug.
In reality, the “swarm” of migrants does not exist. As its EU partners regularly point out, Britain fails to take in its fair share of asylum-seekers. Just a few thousand refugees reside in the camps at Calais. By contrast, over 200,000 people applied for asylum in Germany last year. Greece and Italy remain the first port of call for the refugee ships launched daily from North Africa and the Eastern Mediterranean. By creating the perception of crisis, Cameron avoids a politically unpopular decision and asserts his authority over the EU in anticipation of the 2016 referendum on British membership.
But another issue lurks in the background. Many refugees are fleeing political violence, whether in North Africa or by the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan and ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Given that British participation in the 2001 war against the Taliban, the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and the 2010 bombing of Libya contributed greatly to this instability should Britain – and the US for that matter – take greater responsibility for its actions?
Put simply: for reasons of history, fairness, and responsibility, Britain should do more.
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http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/160209
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:24 pm
They are not refugees in calais if they have not registered as such a the rules dictate!
They are illegal immigrants, economic migrants and criminals!!!
They are already in a safe country as well as having passed through numerous other safe countries to get there.
What they are doing by trying to break into lorries and secure port and tunnel compounds is purely criminal behaviour and should not be tolerated... they need to be arrested and prosecuted then deported!
They are illegal immigrants, economic migrants and criminals!!!
They are already in a safe country as well as having passed through numerous other safe countries to get there.
What they are doing by trying to break into lorries and secure port and tunnel compounds is purely criminal behaviour and should not be tolerated... they need to be arrested and prosecuted then deported!
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:26 pm
BabbleTommy Monk wrote:They are not refugees in calais if they have not registered as such a the rules dictate!
Babble
They are illegal immigrants, economic migrants and criminals!!!
Babble
They are already in a safe country as well as having passed through numerous other safe countries to get there.
Babble
What they are doing by trying to break into lorries and secure port and tunnel compounds is purely criminal behaviour and should not be tolerated... they need to be arrested and prosecuted then deported!
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:39 pm
All true you twat... You just can't handle the truth!!!
"...The asylum rules, known as the Dublin Regulation, were first drafted in the early 1990s. They require people seeking refuge to do so in the European country where they first set foot..."
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/uk-europe-migrants-austria-hungary-idUKKBN0P31ZB20150623
"...But instead of applying for refugee status in the country where he landed, as European law dictates, Asefaw made his way to just south of the Austrian border. He hoped to cross into Austria and travel through Germany to Sweden, where his brother lives. There, he planned to identify himself to authorities and request asylum..."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/10/us-europe-migrants-asylum-insight-idUSKBN0OQ0EU20150610
Have you not heard of the Dublin regulations!!!???
"...The asylum rules, known as the Dublin Regulation, were first drafted in the early 1990s. They require people seeking refuge to do so in the European country where they first set foot..."
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/uk-europe-migrants-austria-hungary-idUKKBN0P31ZB20150623
"...But instead of applying for refugee status in the country where he landed, as European law dictates, Asefaw made his way to just south of the Austrian border. He hoped to cross into Austria and travel through Germany to Sweden, where his brother lives. There, he planned to identify himself to authorities and request asylum..."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/10/us-europe-migrants-asylum-insight-idUSKBN0OQ0EU20150610
Have you not heard of the Dublin regulations!!!???
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:40 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:They are not refugees in calais if they have not registered as such a the rules dictate!
They are illegal immigrants, economic migrants and criminals!!!
They are already in a safe country as well as having passed through numerous other safe countries to get there.
What they are doing by trying to break into lorries and secure port and tunnel compounds is purely criminal behaviour and should not be tolerated... they need to be arrested and prosecuted then deported!
Tommy, you can't simplify it further. He doesn't understand or chooses not to understand
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by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:42 pm
He is a liar Nems!
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:42 pm
Nems wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:They are not refugees in calais if they have not registered as such a the rules dictate!
They are illegal immigrants, economic migrants and criminals!!!
They are already in a safe country as well as having passed through numerous other safe countries to get there.
What they are doing by trying to break into lorries and secure port and tunnel compounds is purely criminal behaviour and should not be tolerated... they need to be arrested and prosecuted then deported!
Tommy, you can't simplify it further. He doesn't understand or chooses not to understand
Tommy just rehashes the same babble, which you being the complete idiot also buy into.
His points were and have been easily refuted before.
You claim to care for people and these are people fleeing persecution, yet show the least empathy going which makes you an utter hypocrite
To claim they are in a safe country when they have not be given asylum shows how far removed from reality he is and why Tommy is also an idiot.
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:48 pm
And for you to try to claim they are refugees when they have not claimed asylum is laughable!!!
I will ask again... have you not heard of the Dublin regulations!!!???
I will ask again... have you not heard of the Dublin regulations!!!???
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:49 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:And for you to try to claim they are refugees when they have not claimed asylum is laughable!!!
I will ask again... have you not heard of the Dublin regulations!!!???
Yet more babble.
can we have something intilligent for a change from you instead of bullshit?
Yes I have heard.
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:50 pm
Criticism[edit]According to European Council on Refugees and Exiles (ECRE) and UNHCR the current system fails in providing fair, efficient and effective protection. Around 2008, those refugees transferred under Dublin were not always able to access an asylum procedure. This put people at risk of being returned to persecution.[12] It has been demonstrated on a number of occasions both by ECRE[13] and UNHCR,[14] that the Dublin regulation impedes the legal rights and personal welfare of asylum seekers, including the right to a fair examination of their asylum claim and, where recognized, to effective protection, as well as the uneven distribution of asylum claims among Member States.
Application of this regulation can seriously delay the presentation of claims, and can result in claims never being heard. Causes of concern include the use of detention to enforce transfers of asylum seekers from the state where they apply to the state deemed responsible, also known as Dublin transfers, the separation of families and the denial of an effective opportunity to appeal against transfers. The Dublin system also increases pressures on the external border regions of the EU, where the majority of asylum seekers enter EU and where states are often least able to offer asylum seekers support and protection.[15]
After ECRE,[16] the UNHCR and other non-governmental organisations openly criticized Greece's asylum system, including the lack of protection and care for unaccompanied children, several countries suspended transfers of asylum seekers to Greece under the Dublin II regulation. Norway announced in February 2008 it would stop transferring any asylum seeker back to Greece under the Dublin II regulation. In September, it backtracked and announced that transfers to Greece would be based on individual assessments.[17] In April 2008 Finland announced a similar move.[18]
The regulation is also criticized by the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights as undermining refugee rights.[19]
The European Court of Human Rights in the case M.S.S. v Belgium and Greece, judged on 21 January 2011 that both the Greek and the Belgian governments violated the European Convention on Human Rights when applying the EU law on asylum seekers and were given fines to the tune of some €6,000 and €30,000, respectively.[20][21] Recently, voices have been heard calling for the imposition of tougher sanctions, should similar cases occur in the future
Application of this regulation can seriously delay the presentation of claims, and can result in claims never being heard. Causes of concern include the use of detention to enforce transfers of asylum seekers from the state where they apply to the state deemed responsible, also known as Dublin transfers, the separation of families and the denial of an effective opportunity to appeal against transfers. The Dublin system also increases pressures on the external border regions of the EU, where the majority of asylum seekers enter EU and where states are often least able to offer asylum seekers support and protection.[15]
After ECRE,[16] the UNHCR and other non-governmental organisations openly criticized Greece's asylum system, including the lack of protection and care for unaccompanied children, several countries suspended transfers of asylum seekers to Greece under the Dublin II regulation. Norway announced in February 2008 it would stop transferring any asylum seeker back to Greece under the Dublin II regulation. In September, it backtracked and announced that transfers to Greece would be based on individual assessments.[17] In April 2008 Finland announced a similar move.[18]
The regulation is also criticized by the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights as undermining refugee rights.[19]
The European Court of Human Rights in the case M.S.S. v Belgium and Greece, judged on 21 January 2011 that both the Greek and the Belgian governments violated the European Convention on Human Rights when applying the EU law on asylum seekers and were given fines to the tune of some €6,000 and €30,000, respectively.[20][21] Recently, voices have been heard calling for the imposition of tougher sanctions, should similar cases occur in the future
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:58 pm
The rules are clear that people claiming to be refugees must declare themselves in The first EU country they reach!!!
The ones in calais have passed through numerous EU countries to get to calais in another safe EU country...
Therefore just illegal immigrants, economic migrants and criminals!!!
The ones in calais have passed through numerous EU countries to get to calais in another safe EU country...
Therefore just illegal immigrants, economic migrants and criminals!!!
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:00 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:The rules are clear that people claiming to be refugees must declare themselves in The first EU country they reach!!!
The ones in calais have passed through numerous EU countries to get to calais in another safe EU country...
Therefore just illegal immigrants, economic migrants and criminals!!!
As seen its been rebuked and hardly used, this is why you should check up things Tommy as you clearly never read them properly.
I see the lol's are back because I am making you look a complete idiot again
They are not illegals in any shape or form.
The fact is you look for azny reason to deny Britain doing what it should do and has the ability to do, that is help those in need.
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:03 pm
A
Is he or is he thick
Or is he arguing for the sake of it?
As the great JBJ said " you live for the fight when that's all that you've got"
Tommy Monk wrote:He is a liar Nems!
Is he or is he thick
Or is he arguing for the sake of it?
As the great JBJ said " you live for the fight when that's all that you've got"
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:04 pm
Nems wrote:ATommy Monk wrote:He is a liar Nems!
Is he or is he thick
Or is he arguing for the sake of it?
As the great JBJ said " you live for the fight when that's all that you've got"
Yet more drivel.
Its the pair of you that is very stupid on the matter and as i see you failed to counter my points and instead use the pathetic gang tactic as if that makes you look clever, ha ha ha
It proves you are a thicko Nems.
Take on the points, if not move along dumbo
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:07 pm
Dodge said..."They are not illegals in any shape or form."
They are illegally in calais, they are illegally trying to break into the port and tunnel, they have illegally entered Europe and traveled illegally across to calais, They are illegally trying to get into UK.
They are illegally in calais, they are illegally trying to break into the port and tunnel, they have illegally entered Europe and traveled illegally across to calais, They are illegally trying to get into UK.
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:10 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge said..."They are not illegals in any shape or form."
They are illegally in calais, they are illegally trying to break into the port and tunnel, they have illegally entered Europe and traveled illegally across to calais, They are illegally trying to get into UK.
Is that illegal as in breaking the law?
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:12 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge said..."They are not illegals in any shape or form."
They are illegally in calais, they are illegally trying to break into the port and tunnel, they have illegally entered Europe and traveled illegally across to calais, They are illegally trying to get into UK.
Again they are not illegal, they are seeking asylum.
Seems you do not understand defintiions.
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:17 pm
They have not claimed asylum so are there illegally!!!
Are you really this stupid!?
Are you really this stupid!?
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:18 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:They have not claimed asylum so are there illegally!!!
Are you really this stupid!?
Why are so many people coming to Europe anyway? And are they genuine refugees or economic migrants?
The most common nationality by far of those currently arriving in Greece and Italy is Syrian. Other common nationalities are Eritrean, Afghan, Somali, and Iraqi. In most cases they are fleeing civil war, violence and oppression. Those who do make it to the UK are highly likely to be granted refugee status or humanitarian protection. Legally and morally, they are not illegal immigrants, still less “bogus asylum seekers”. But that’s not the whole story by any means: a considerable number are from countries in west Africa, including Nigeria and Ghana. Here the motivations for most are likely to be primarily economic.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/01/calais-illegal-immigrant-uk-facts
lol dumbo Tommy strikes again ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:25 pm
They have not claimed asylum so are there illegally!!!
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:28 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:They have not claimed asylum so are there illegally!!!
As seen that is complete bollocks
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:30 pm
Do they have legal status in calais!!!???
You bell end!!!
You bell end!!!
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Raggamuffin Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:32 pm
So is there no such thing as an illegal immigrant then? After all, all they would need to do is claim asylum. Not that these people have actually done that.
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:32 pm
Cuchulain wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge said..."They are not illegals in any shape or form."
They are illegally in calais, they are illegally trying to break into the port and tunnel, they have illegally entered Europe and traveled illegally across to calais, They are illegally trying to get into UK.
Again they are not illegal, they are seeking asylum.
Seems you do not understand defintiions.
Where are they seeking asylum?
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:32 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Do they have legal status in calais!!!???
You bell end!!!
Yet more bollocks from the muppet
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:32 pm
Nems wrote:Cuchulain wrote:
Again they are not illegal, they are seeking asylum.
Seems you do not understand defintiions.
Where are they seeking asylum?
The UK
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Raggamuffin Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:34 pm
They're not genuine asylum seekers otherwise they'd claim asylum in France. If they do get here and get turned down, they'll just appeal and appeal until they're allowed to stay or they have 100 children and then claim the right to stay because of them.
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:35 pm
If they have legal status in calais then they are illegally trying to enter the UK.
If they have no legal status in calais then they are illegally there.
What bit of this Do you not understand!?
Twat!!!
If they have no legal status in calais then they are illegally there.
What bit of this Do you not understand!?
Twat!!!
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:35 pm
Cuchulain wrote:Nems wrote:
Where are they seeking asylum?
The UK
Why not France?
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:36 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:If they have legal status in calais then they are illegally trying to enter the UK.
If they have no legal status in calais then they are illegally there.
What bit of this Do you not understand!?
Twat!!!
Again you are talking bollocks as seen they are asylum seekers who do not have to seek asylum in the country they are in.
Not sure how many times you need to understand this
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:37 pm
Nems wrote:Cuchulain wrote:
The UK
Why not France?
You would have to ask each individual and France already takes far more than the UK
Britain needs to do her bit also as stated
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:39 pm
Cuchulain wrote:Nems wrote:
Why not France?
You would have to ask each individual and France already takes far more than the UK
Britain needs to do her bit also as stated
You don't need a degree to answer why not France.
You are missing what asylum is
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Re: What’s Missing from the Debate About the Refugees in Calais Who Are Eager to Go to Britain
by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:39 pm
EU law dictates that they must declare themselves in first EU country they arrive in.
They have not done this after travelling through many.
They are therefore just illegal immigrants committing criminal acts when breaking into lorries, port and tunnel and it is a crime to illegally try to enter the UK.
They are illegally there in calais as they have no legal status or right to be there.
What I have said so far stands!!!
They have not done this after travelling through many.
They are therefore just illegal immigrants committing criminal acts when breaking into lorries, port and tunnel and it is a crime to illegally try to enter the UK.
They are illegally there in calais as they have no legal status or right to be there.
What I have said so far stands!!!
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:40 pm
Nems wrote:Cuchulain wrote:
You would have to ask each individual and France already takes far more than the UK
Britain needs to do her bit also as stated
You don't need a degree to answer why not France.
You are missing what asylum is
You have not the first clue as to why people will chose a country, which has been explained many times.
The thing is you are looking for poor excuses not to help.
So you just buy a lot of crap that is spouted in the Mail and Sun about them, which is very obvious.
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by Raggamuffin Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:42 pm
The idea of asylum isn't to "choose" a country they feel offers more, it's to get to the nearest safe place.
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:43 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:The idea of asylum isn't to "choose" a country they feel offers more, it's to get to the nearest safe place.
Of course it is important if you have connections to that country.
If you can speak English, and not French, why would you attempt asylum there when clearly the UK would be better?
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by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:44 pm
Beggars can't be choosers dodge!!!
They are illegal immigrants playing the asylum card as a way of getting access to our country.
They should be shipped back to their neighbouring countries for them to deal with.
They are illegal immigrants playing the asylum card as a way of getting access to our country.
They should be shipped back to their neighbouring countries for them to deal with.
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by Raggamuffin Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:44 pm
Cuchulain wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:The idea of asylum isn't to "choose" a country they feel offers more, it's to get to the nearest safe place.
Of course it is important if you have connections to that country.
If you can speak English, and not French, why would you attempt asylum there when clearly the UK would be better?
Important to them maybe, but it's still not the point of asylum.
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:45 pm
Raggamuffin wrote:Cuchulain wrote:
Of course it is important if you have connections to that country.
If you can speak English, and not French, why would you attempt asylum there when clearly the UK would be better?
Important to them maybe, but it's still not the point of asylum.
I think their need is important
The point of asylum is being granted this, you stand a better chance after being granted if you can speak the language of that nation.
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by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:50 pm
Plus English is spoken widely throughout most other countries now...
They are not asylum seekers as they are not claiming asylum in safe countries they have passed through.
They are economic and illegal immigrants trying the bullshit asylum claim route to gain entry to our country.
They should be rounded up and shipped back to wherever they came from and we need to keep doing this until they learn that their behaviour is unacceptable.
They are not asylum seekers as they are not claiming asylum in safe countries they have passed through.
They are economic and illegal immigrants trying the bullshit asylum claim route to gain entry to our country.
They should be rounded up and shipped back to wherever they came from and we need to keep doing this until they learn that their behaviour is unacceptable.
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:51 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Plus English is spoken widely throughout most other countries now...
They are not asylum seekers as they are not claiming asylum in safe countries they have passed through.
They are economic and illegal immigrants trying the bullshit asylum claim route to gain entry to our country.
They should be rounded up and shipped back to wherever they came from and we need to keep doing this until they learn that their behaviour is unacceptable.
Yet more drivel.
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by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:54 pm
Round them up and ship them back!
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:57 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:Round them up and ship them back!
Or round you up and ship you out of the country, that would be far better.
I was thinking Syria
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by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:04 pm
You say they are not illegals when they have no legal status or right to remain where they are... you claim they are refugees and asylum seekers when they have not made any claims in any of the safe countries they have passed through in Europe as EU rules dictate that they must do...
That makes them illegal immigrants and criminals who need to be arrested, prosecuted and deported!!!
What bit of this simple logic Do you fail to understand...!!!???
That makes them illegal immigrants and criminals who need to be arrested, prosecuted and deported!!!
What bit of this simple logic Do you fail to understand...!!!???
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:05 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:You say they are not illegals when they have no legal status or right to remain where they are... you claim they are refugees and asylum seekers when they have not made any claims in any of the safe countries they have passed through in Europe as EU rules dictate that they must do...
That makes them illegal immigrants and criminals who need to be arrested, prosecuted and deported!!!
What bit of this simple logic Do you fail to understand...!!!???
You are just inventing your own view, which has no bases
They are legal and nothing you say will change that.
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by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:09 pm
LEGAL HOW?
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Tommy Monk wrote:LEGAL HOW?
OMG
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by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:17 pm
How are they legal dodge?
When they are there illegally and have no legal status or rights to be there... as well as committing criminal acts in breaking into lorries, port and tunnel as well as trespassing etc...
What bit of this is legal!!!???
When they are there illegally and have no legal status or rights to be there... as well as committing criminal acts in breaking into lorries, port and tunnel as well as trespassing etc...
What bit of this is legal!!!???
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:18 pm
Tommy Monk wrote:How are they legal dodge?
When they are there illegally and have no legal status or rights to be there... as well as committing criminal acts in breaking into lorries, port and tunnel as well as trespassing etc...
What bit of this is legal!!!???
Still inventing nonsense.
Asylum seekers are not illegal as defined by law.
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by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:19 pm
Cuchulain wrote:Nems wrote:
You don't need a degree to answer why not France.
You are missing what asylum is
You have not the first clue as to why people will chose a country, which has been explained many times.
The thing is you are looking for poor excuses not to help.
So you just buy a lot of crap that is spouted in the Mail and Sun about them, which is very obvious.
Don't be a moron, these people are supposed to be fleeing for their lives not choosing a package holiday!
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