Decriminalising prostitution could reduce levels of rape and sex attacks, report says

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:59 am

Prostitution should be fully decriminalised because attempts to control the sex trade are ineffective and a waste of money, an academic report published today argues.It dismisses claims that prostitution, pornography and lap-dancing are harmful to women and suggests that ending curbs on Britain’s £4.3bn sex industry could reduce levels of rape and sex attacks. The report for the Institute of Economic Affairs, the free market think tank, comes after Amnesty International provoked controversy by backing the decriminalisation of prostitution. Police are considering moves to designate a part of Newport into a zone where sex workers can operate without fear of being arrested as part of a project to improve safety on the Welsh town’s streets. It has been based on a similar scheme in Leeds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/decriminalising-prostitution-could-reduce-levels-of-rape-and-sex-attacks-report-says-10441739.html

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:19 am

Makes sense and it`s an idea that has been around for years ,as long as the women or men are not exploited as they tend to be at the moment and they do it willingly,
i have no problem with it it is the oldest profession in the world after all

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:14 pm

mmm...and just think of the tax

income tax
vat
excise tax (duty)

that could be gained from it...

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:15 pm

the estimated 4.3 billion is doubless an underestimate

but even at that it could return a healthy (can you say healthy and prostitution in the same sentence?) 2 billion in tax revenue......

by eddie Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:35 pm

Sorry I disagree strongly.
I understand all the arguments FOR the legalisation but one thing stops me agreeing to it:

It's just simply immoral to sell sex for money: it sends out entirely the wrong message to an already, over-sexualised generation of teenagers.

by Raggamuffin Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:39 pm

eddie wrote:Sorry I disagree strongly.
I understand all the arguments FOR the legalisation but one thing stops me agreeing to it:

It's just simply immoral to sell sex for money: it sends out entirely the wrong message to an already, over-sexualised generation of teenagers.

I agree.

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:23 pm

eddie wrote:Sorry I disagree strongly.
I understand all the arguments FOR the legalisation but one thing stops me agreeing to it:

It's just simply immoral to sell sex for money: it sends out entirely the wrong message to an already, over-sexualised generation of teenagers.

I understand your reservations Eddie. Though we are not at a stage where women do not have to go to the streets and earn money or a point where they is no more supplying need for them. Both issues need to be tackled before we can even begin to tackle your reservation on this. What is the balance here to consider? Safety or morality? I truly back your point that nobody should have to sell their body and agree completely, but we need to find a means that they do not even have to.

by eddie Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:55 pm

I don't know the answer didge. I do feel that it's horrific that women often get into protitution through drugs - and that's a massive money-maker for a pimp.

But it simply sends out the wrong message to say "Well it's okay to do it and here's some safety nets for you"

I guess I'll be shot down here but, I've known what it's like to be skint and yet I'd never, ever turn to prostitution.
I cleaned toilets and that put money in my table.
I can say I'm proud I earned the money that way.

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:04 pm

eddie wrote:I don't know the answer didge. I do feel that it's horrific that women often get into protitution through drugs - and that's a massive money-maker for a pimp.

But it simply sends out the wrong message to say "Well it's okay to do it and here's some safety nets for you"

I guess I'll be shot down here but, I've known what it's like to be skint and yet I'd never, ever turn to prostitution.
I cleaned toilets and that put money in my table.
I can say I'm proud I earned the money that way.

That is another major issue Eddie the dependency with drugs.
Not going to shoot you down for doing and making the right choices, but to others they cannot find the path you have chosen. They have branched off onto another path where they see little hope. Once down a path of little return its much harder to find your way back and find a different path. So I get your point big time, but there are many out there who are going to place themselves out there and we do need to protect them Eddie. Until we find a way then their safety is more important.

by Raggamuffin Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:06 pm

I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:09 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

Choose is not a word I would propose in many of their situations

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:25 pm

eddie wrote:Sorry I disagree strongly.
I understand all the arguments FOR the legalisation but one thing stops me agreeing to it:

It's just simply immoral to sell sex for money: it sends out entirely the wrong message to an already, over-sexualised generation of teenagers.

surely it`s the same thing as selling ones own skill or labor, in exchange of money

by eddie Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

Well yes it's a choice but I do get that some are almost "destined" to go down that path; troubled people, runaways, drug addicts, mothers at the end of their tether...

I dont want to take the high road but I have always said, apart from the few, (on the list I've mentioned above), it does seem like an "easy" option to make quick money, it often pays higher per day than say, a cleaner.

by Raggamuffin Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:31 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

Well yes it's a choice but I do get that some are almost "destined" to go down that path; troubled people, runaways, drug addicts, mothers at the end of their tether...

I dont want to take the high road but I have always said, apart from the few, (on the list I've mentioned above), it does seem like an "easy" option to make quick money, it often pays higher per day than say, a cleaner.

Exactly - it pays well, and it's a choice.

by eddie Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:31 pm

korban dallas wrote:
eddie wrote:Sorry I disagree strongly.
I understand all the arguments FOR the legalisation but one thing stops me agreeing to it:

It's just simply immoral to sell sex for money: it sends out entirely the wrong message to an already, over-sexualised generation of teenagers.
surely it`s the same thing as selling ones own skill or labor, in exchange of money

Hmmm come on KD! Would you be happy for your daughter to say "Hey pops, I've got a stonking pair of tits, I think I'll make money out of them by letting men fuck me"

Wouldn't you say "can't you be a cleaner, a barmaid, a bookmaker or a candlestick maker?"

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:32 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

Well yes it's a choice but I do get that some are almost "destined" to go down that path; troubled people, runaways, drug addicts, mothers at the end of their tether...

I dont want to take the high road but I have always said, apart from the few, (on the list I've mentioned above), it does seem like an "easy" option to make quick money, it often pays higher per day than say, a cleaner.

Sorry Eddie, but how is it an easy option once that road has been taken?

Many are persuaded to try and once they are dragged onto that path find no escape out of/ Its very easy to sit and judge when you or others have not succumbed, but the road into this is far more difficult to get out of. Nothing is ever easy when there is little chance or road to find your way out.

by eddie Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:34 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

Well yes it's a choice but I do get that some are almost "destined" to go down that path; troubled people, runaways, drug addicts, mothers at the end of their tether...

I dont want to take the high road but I have always said, apart from the few, (on the list I've mentioned above), it does seem like an "easy" option to make quick money, it often pays higher per day than say, a cleaner.

Sorry Eddie, but how is it an easy option once that road has been taken?

Many are persuaded to try and once they are dragged onto that path find no escape out of/ Its very easy to sit and judge when you or others have not succumbed, but the road into this is far more difficult to get out of. Nothing is ever easy when there is little chance or road to find your way out.

Not an easy road ONCE you've taken that road - I meant the easy option, that's what I actually meant.
You can just lay down and shag as opposed to scrubbing floors or stacking shelves.

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:36 pm

eddie wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Sorry Eddie, but how is it an easy option once that road has been taken?

Many are persuaded to try and once they are dragged onto that path find no escape out of/ Its very easy to sit and judge when you or others have not succumbed, but the road into this is far more difficult to get out of. Nothing is ever easy when there is little chance or road to find your way out.

Not an easy road ONCE you've taken that road - I meant the easy option, that's what I actually meant.
You can just lay down and shag as opposed to scrubbing floors or stacking shelves.

But how would you know Eddie, not being horrible, but you chose another path, where others saw no other option?
Again its easy to sit in hindsight and condemn or judge, but once that path is taken their safety has to be first and foremost.

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:39 pm

korban dallas wrote:
eddie wrote:Sorry I disagree strongly.
I understand all the arguments FOR the legalisation but one thing stops me agreeing to it:

It's just simply immoral to sell sex for money: it sends out entirely the wrong message to an already, over-sexualised generation of teenagers.
surely it`s the same thing as selling ones own skill or labor, in exchange of money

Sorry mate but when you said skill, it reminded me of this I posted a long time ago/
Apologies in advance

Laughing

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:42 pm

eddie wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
surely it`s the same thing as selling ones own skill or labor, in exchange of money

Hmmm come on KD! Would you be happy for your daughter to say "Hey pops, I've got a stonking pair of tits, I think I'll make money out of them by letting men fuck me"

Wouldn't you say "can't you be a cleaner, a barmaid, a bookmaker or a candlestick maker?"

personally no i wouldn't be happy no dad would
but that`s not really the point is it
i would not be happy if my son joined the army but then again what he or she chooses to do in there life when they are adults is there decision
have you never done anything your parents have disprove of

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:44 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
surely it`s the same thing as selling ones own skill or labor, in exchange of money

Sorry mate but when you said skill, it reminded me of this I posted a long time ago/
Apologies in advance

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i sort of guessd where it was going but chickened out before it got to far Embarassed

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:46 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Sorry mate but when you said skill, it reminded me of this I posted a long time ago/
Apologies in advance

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i sort of guessd where it was going but chickened out before it got to far

That noise she made put me off sex for weeks.
Sorry buddy

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:50 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
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i sort of guessd where it was going but chickened out before it got to far

That noise she made put me off sex for weeks.
Sorry buddy

Thankfully i only got as far as 26 seconds affraid

by Guest Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:57 pm

You should watch it lol

Night mate and all the best

by veya_victaous Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:03 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

the danger is due to deregulation
It is legal here i thought it was in the UK too Suspect

it removes street walkers as that is illegal, and there in no demand for them since there are legal brothels

Wouldn't you say "can't you be a cleaner, a barmaid, a bookmaker or a candlestick maker?"

and make pathetic money
reality is a prostitute can earn the average weekly wage in a night

by Irn Bru Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:02 am

There are prostitues who make a fortune out of it entertaining really wealthy foreign clients from the middle east who have vast fortunes and there is the other end where some are doing it just to get by and feed themselves (ok some are doing it to fund their drug addiction)
And there there is the other end which is a sordid world for those women who do it controlled by pimps. It should b legalised and in many cases it already is to a certain extent as some authorities set up safe areas where the girls can operate in a degree of safety.
Women selling their bodies for sex isn't a very nice way to make a living but it's a reality and of course it's fueled by the demand of men who are willing to pay.
Legalise it and bring it out into the open

by captain Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:33 am

Prostitution is rape.

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:55 am

You can't legislate morality. There are societies in the Muslim world that punish prostitutes with death, but to some people, the reward is too big and they downplay the risks. If punishing prostitutes with death can't stop people from becoming prostitutes, it's hard to imagine what could.

The law should emphasize investigation and detainment of the criminals who do the most harm to society. I would prefer that my city reassign every police officer and detective in the vice division to investigating rape, murder, abuse and exploitation, focusing their limited resources on finding the most dangerous people.

by veya_victaous Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:58 am

@Jane
no it is not, the exact opposite of rape
the prostitute is the one in the position of power not the customer

saying that there is not happy prostitutes is a lie

Prostitution is realistically one of the more moral occupations one can easily argue ti is more moral than a police officer that takes away other citizens freedom for their political masters for small payment

Prostitutes have sex for large sums of money, even suggestion they are the victims is silly
They are only if the law makes them criminals, otherwise if people stop being sexist and accept that women can be sexual and profit from being sexual if the want to.
Making prostitution illegal is allowing rape and slavery due to lack of regulation.

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:12 am

These women are certainly not victims, they are responsible for giving out the message that woman are only good for one thing, and that any woman can be bought for the right price. I don't think that such a concept should be condoned and encouraged.

by Guest Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:37 am

Raggamuffin wrote:These women are certainly not victims, they are responsible for giving out the message that woman are only good for one thing, and that any woman can be bought for the right price. I don't think that such a concept should be condoned and encouraged.

You could not be more wrong in regards to claiming that they are not victims in many cases:

Up to 5,000 children may be involved in prostitution at any one time. [Home Office (2004). Paying the Price.]

80,000 women work in 'on-street' prostitution in the UK, with a female to male ratio of four to one. [Home Office (2004). Paying the Price.]

According to evidence submitted to the UK Government between 50-75% of women entered prostitution before they were 18, with 15 years being the average age of entry. [Home Office (2004). Paying the Price.]

Up to 75% of women involved in prostitution began when they were under 18 years of age and most teenage prostitutes are involved in street prostitution, which is estimated to be ten times more dangerous than working from houses or flats. [Benson, C. and Matthews, R. (1995), Street prostitution: Ten facts in search of a policy. International Journal of Sociology of the Law, 23, 395-415.]

70% of those involved in street prostitution have a history of Local Authority care. Nearly half report a history of childhood sexual abuse. [Home Office (2004). Paying The Price.]

The majority of women involved in off-street prostitution in London are migrants, although estimates vary. Research by the Poppy Project ( http://www.eavesforwomen.org.uk/about-eaves/our-projects/the-poppy-project) found only 19% of women working as prostitutes in flats, parlours and saunas are originally from the UK, compared with just 3.6% of women in the off-street sector in London found to be British as part of Project Acumen, a police-led research initiative. [The Poppy Project (2004). Sex in the City: Mapping Commercial Sex Across London, London: The Poppy Project; Jackson, K. Jeffery, J. and Adamson G. (2010). Setting the Record: The Trafficking of Migrant Women in the England and Wales Off-Sreet Prostitution Sector. Project Acumen.]

More than half of women in prostitution have been raped and or seriously assaulted and at least 75% have been physically assaulted at the hands of the pimps and punters. 74% of women in prostitution identify poverty, the need to pay household expenses and support their children, as primary motivators for being drawn into prostitution. [Home office (2004). Solutions and Strategies: Drug Problems and Street Sex Markets. London: UK Government]

As many as 85% of women in prostitution report physical abuse in the family, with 45% reporting familial sexual abuse. [Home Office Paying the Price, 2004]

A report in the British Medical Journal about client violence towards women in prostitution stated that of the 125 women in indoor prostitution contacted, 48% had experienced client violence. The types of violence experienced included: being slapped, punched, or kicked; robbery; attempted robbery; beaten; threatened with weapon; held against will; attempted rape; strangulation; kidnapped; attempted kidnap; forced to give client oral sex; vaginal rape and anal rape. [Church, S., Henderson, M., Barnard, M. and Hart, G. (2001). Violence by clients towards female prostitutes in different work settings: questionnaire survey. British Medical Journal, 322. 524-525.]

Women in street prostitution are 12 times more likely to be murdered than the rate for all women in same age group in the UK [Salfati, C. G. (2009). Prostitute Homicide: An Overview of the Literature and Comparison to Sexual and Non-Sexual Female Victim Homicide, pp. 51-68. In D. Canter, M. Ioannou, & D. Youngs (Eds.) Safer Sex in the City: The Experience and Management of Street Prostitution. The Psychology, Crime and Law Series. Aldershot: Ashgate.]

Women in prostitution are 18 times more likely to be murdered than the general population. [New Philanthropy Capital (2007). Hard Knock Life. London: New Philanthropy Capital.]

People are much less likely to be convicted of murdering a prostitute than of any other murder. The conviction rate of 75% for murder drops to 26% when it comes to killings of women in prostitution. [Raymond, K., Brothels and safe red light areas are the only way forward, in The Observer December 17 2006]

An Australian study of women involved in street-based prostitution found very high rates of drug use (83% heroin, but also cocaine, methamphetamine, cannabis and alcohol) and injecting, as well as risky use behaviours. They also found very high levels of mental health problems (e.g. 54% severe depressive symptoms), including suicidal thoughts (74%) and attempts (42%). [Roxburgh, A., Degenhardt, L., Copeland, J. and Larance, B. (2008). Drug Dependence and Associated Risks Among Female Street-Based Sex Workers in the Greater Sydney Area, Australia. Substance Use & Misuse, 43, 1202-1217.

87% of women in street-based prostitution use heroin. [Hester, M. and Westmarland, N. (2004). Tackling Street Prostitution: Towards an Holistic Approach, Home Office Research Study 279, London: Home Office.]

80-95% of women who are involved on the streets are problematic drug users. [May, T. and Hunter, G. (2006). Sex work and problem drug use in the UK: the links, problems and possible solutions. In R. Campbell and M. O'Neill (eds.). Sex work now. Cullompton: Willan]

A consultation in Liverpool about the establishment of a managed zone for prostitution consulted a range of organisations and individuals, including a sample of 50 women involved in prostitution. Over 85% of these women had used heroin in the past four weeks, and three quarters had used crack cocaine. [Bellis, M., Watson, F., Hughes, S., Cook, P., Downing, J., Clark, P. and Thomson, R. (2007). Comparative views of the public, sex workers, businesses and residents on establishing managed zones for prostitution: Analysis of a consultation in Liverpool. Health & Place, 13, 603-616.]

A study among people entering treatment for substance misuse in the US showed just over half (51%) of women and 11% of men had a history of prostitution. [Bernette, M., Lucas, E., Ilgen, M., Frayne, S., Mayo, J. and Weitlauf, J. (2008). Prevalence and Health Correlates of Prostitution Among Patients Entering Treatment for Substance Use disorders. Archive of General Psychiatry. 65 (3), 337-344.]

74% of women involved in prostitution cited poverty, the need to pay household expenses and support their children, as a primary motivator for entering sex work. [Melrose, M. (2002), Ties that bind - Young People and the Prostitution Labour Market in Britain presented at Fourth Feminist Research Conference, Bologna: September 2000]

92% of prostitutes stated that they wanted to escape prostitution immediately. [Farley, M., Baral, I., Kiremire, M. and Sezgin, U. (1998). Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder. Feminism & Psychology, 8(4). 405-426.]

Rape rate statistics from the US raise the possibility that there may actually be a positive association between legal prostitution in Nevada and higher rape rates in that state. The Nevada rate of rape was higher than the U.S. average and significantly higher than rates of rape in several more populous U.S. states - California, New York and New Jersey (FBI (2004). Uniform Crime Report. In M. Farley, J. Bindel, and J.M. Golding, (2009). Men who buy sex: who they buy and what they know (London: Eaves)

Despite the fact that a criminal record can have life-long consequences for young women, the Government maintains there are 'compelling arguments' for maintaining criminal offences for sex workers under 18 years. [Rees, G. (2001). Working with runaways: Learning from practice. London: The Children's Society and Oxford: YWCA.]

The Government's figures for 2002 show that there were 2,678 convictions for soliciting in comparison to only 993 convictions for kerb crawling. [Home Office Communication Directorate website]

by Raggamuffin Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:40 am

I stand by what I said.

by Guest Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:48 am

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

Well yes it's a choice but I do get that some are almost "destined" to go down that path; troubled people, runaways, drug addicts, mothers at the end of their tether...

I dont want to take the high road but I have always said, apart from the few, (on the list I've mentioned above), it does seem like an "easy" option to make quick money, it often pays higher per day than say, a cleaner.

The trafficked, the abused, the drug and alcohol dependant, the victims of DV and the children don't have a choice and by the time he pimp has his cut, the pay, if any, aint so good.

by eddie Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:24 pm

Nems wrote:
eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I agree with eddie. These woman choose to be prostitutes and put themselves in danger.

Well yes it's a choice but I do get that some are almost "destined" to go down that path; troubled people, runaways, drug addicts, mothers at the end of their tether...

I dont want to take the high road but I have always said, apart from the few, (on the list I've mentioned above), it does seem like an "easy" option to make quick money, it often pays higher per day than say, a cleaner.

The trafficked, the abused, the drug and alcohol dependant, the victims of DV and the children don't have a choice and by the time he pimp has his cut, the pay, if any, aint so good.

Yep. And there's that.

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