utah man who reported anti gay slurs and attacks staged the attacks!!!

Vicar of Dibley wrote:how sick he must be sick in the head

Vicar of Dibley wrote:do they where is the proof of that then eh

Vicar of Dibley wrote:do they where is the proof of that then eh

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:do they where is the proof of that then eh

fancy self harming and drinking bleach and making out people who do not agree with gays did it... lunatic or what.....

mentor wrote:In anycase it is well documented that many, more fundamental religionists, are prone to serious mental problems....

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:I guess it's one thing self harming that shows the guy is a lunatic but add the rest to it and then trying to blame it on innocent people...

this guy must have a serious agenda...

mentor wrote:yes and?

so do others who act similarly yet are not gay....

you two are just evil incarnate...

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

mentor wrote:yes and?

so do others who act similarly yet are not gay....

you two are just evil incarnate...

along with you and the rest of the chritianphobes on this forum .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

mentor wrote:In anycase it is well documented that many, more fundamental religionists, are prone to serious mental problems....

Is it where is your proof then eh

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

mentor wrote:yes and?

so do others who act similarly yet are not gay....

you two are just evil incarnate...

along with you and the rest of the chritianphobes on this forum .

mentor wrote:of course this is becasue they are christians

Ostracised, vulnerable and frightened, she wandered the streets in south-eastern Nigeria, sleeping rough, struggling to stay alive.

Mary was found by a British charity worker and today lives at a refuge in Akwa Ibom province with 150 other children who have been branded witches, blamed for all their family's woes, and abandoned. Before being pushed out of their homes many were beaten or slashed with knives, thrown onto fires, or had acid poured over them as a punishment or in an attempt to make them "confess" to being possessed. In one horrific case, a young girl called Uma had a three-inch nail driven into her skull.

Yet Mary and the others at the shelter are the lucky ones for they, at least, are alive. Many of those branded "child-witches" are murdered - hacked to death with machetes, poisoned, drowned, or buried alive in an attempt to drive Satan out of their soul.

The devil's children are "identified" by powerful religious leaders at extremist churches where Christianity and traditional beliefs have combined to produce a deep-rooted belief in, and fear of, witchcraft. The priests spread the message that child-witches bring destruction, disease and death to their families. And they say that, once possessed, children can cast spells and contaminate others.

The religious leaders offer help to the families whose children are named as witches, but at a price. The churches run exorcism, or "deliverance", evenings where the pastors attempt to drive out the evil spirits. Only they have the power to cleanse the child of evil spirits, they say. The exorcism costs the families up to a year's income.

During the "deliverance" ceremonies, the children are shaken violently, dragged around the room and have potions poured into their eyes. The children look terrified. The parents look on, praying that the child will be cleansed. If the ritual fails, they know their children will have to be sent away, or killed. Many are held in churches, often on chains, and deprived of food until they "confess" to being a witch.

The ceremonies are highly lucrative for the spiritual leaders many of whom enjoy a lifestyle of large homes, expensive cars and designer clothes.

Ten years ago there were few cases of children stigmatised by witchcraft. But since then the numbers have grown at an alarming rate and have reached an estimated 15,000 in Akwa Ibom state alone.

Some Nigerians blame the increase on one of the country's wealthiest and most influential evangelical preachers. Helen Ukpabio, a self-styled prophetess of the 150-branch Liberty Gospel Church, made a film, widely distributed, called End of the Wicked. It tells, in graphic detail, how children become possessed and shows them being inducted into covens, eating human flesh and bringing chaos and death to their families and communities.

Mrs Ukpabio, a mother of three, also wrote a popular book which tells parents how to identify a witch. For children under two years old, she says, the key signs of a servant of Satan are crying and screaming in the night, high fever and worsening health - symptoms that can be found among many children in an impoverished region with poor health care.

The preacher says that her work is true to the Bible and is a means of spreading God's word. "Witchcraft is a problem all over Nigeria and someone with a gift like me can never hurt anybody," she says. "Every Nigerian wants to watch my movies." She denies that her teachings and films could encourage child abuse.

of course here we are again ...her interpretation of the bible is as valid as yours HF....in fact its probably truer to it ...

but never mind she's a christian......

Eilzel wrote:No it isn't, and if you can't even be bothered to read arguments put against you explaining points then you are in no position to make inane claims.

You don't come here to debate do you, you come here to insult, whinge and play the wind up.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:No it isn't, and if you can't even be bothered to read arguments put against you explaining points then you are in no position to make inane claims.

You don't come here to debate do you, you come here to insult, whinge and play the wind up.

what do you want to happen lesley , do you want me and HF to leave ?

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:No it isn't, and if you can't even be bothered to read arguments put against you explaining points then you are in no position to make inane claims.

You don't come here to debate do you, you come here to insult, whinge and play the wind up.

what do you want to happen lesley , do you want me and HF to leave ?

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

what do you want to happen lesley , do you want me and HF to leave ?

I'm not asking for that but it would please me of course

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

what do you want to happen lesley , do you want me and HF to leave ?

I'm not asking for that but it would please me of course

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

I'm not asking for that but it would please me of course

why is that ? and do you think you think you feel different if i agreed with same sex marriage ?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

mentor wrote:of course this is becasue they are christians

Ostracised, vulnerable and frightened, she wandered the streets in south-eastern Nigeria, sleeping rough, struggling to stay alive.

Mary was found by a British charity worker and today lives at a refuge in Akwa Ibom province with 150 other children who have been branded witches, blamed for all their family's woes, and abandoned. Before being pushed out of their homes many were beaten or slashed with knives, thrown onto fires, or had acid poured over them as a punishment or in an attempt to make them "confess" to being possessed. In one horrific case, a young girl called Uma had a three-inch nail driven into her skull.

Yet Mary and the others at the shelter are the lucky ones for they, at least, are alive. Many of those branded "child-witches" are murdered - hacked to death with machetes, poisoned, drowned, or buried alive in an attempt to drive Satan out of their soul.

The devil's children are "identified" by powerful religious leaders at extremist churches where Christianity and traditional beliefs have combined to produce a deep-rooted belief in, and fear of, witchcraft. The priests spread the message that child-witches bring destruction, disease and death to their families. And they say that, once possessed, children can cast spells and contaminate others.

The religious leaders offer help to the families whose children are named as witches, but at a price. The churches run exorcism, or "deliverance", evenings where the pastors attempt to drive out the evil spirits. Only they have the power to cleanse the child of evil spirits, they say. The exorcism costs the families up to a year's income.

During the "deliverance" ceremonies, the children are shaken violently, dragged around the room and have potions poured into their eyes. The children look terrified. The parents look on, praying that the child will be cleansed. If the ritual fails, they know their children will have to be sent away, or killed. Many are held in churches, often on chains, and deprived of food until they "confess" to being a witch.

The ceremonies are highly lucrative for the spiritual leaders many of whom enjoy a lifestyle of large homes, expensive cars and designer clothes.

Ten years ago there were few cases of children stigmatised by witchcraft. But since then the numbers have grown at an alarming rate and have reached an estimated 15,000 in Akwa Ibom state alone.

Some Nigerians blame the increase on one of the country's wealthiest and most influential evangelical preachers. Helen Ukpabio, a self-styled prophetess of the 150-branch Liberty Gospel Church, made a film, widely distributed, called End of the Wicked. It tells, in graphic detail, how children become possessed and shows them being inducted into covens, eating human flesh and bringing chaos and death to their families and communities.

Mrs Ukpabio, a mother of three, also wrote a popular book which tells parents how to identify a witch. For children under two years old, she says, the key signs of a servant of Satan are crying and screaming in the night, high fever and worsening health - symptoms that can be found among many children in an impoverished region with poor health care.

The preacher says that her work is true to the Bible and is a means of spreading God's word. "Witchcraft is a problem all over Nigeria and someone with a gift like me can never hurt anybody," she says. "Every Nigerian wants to watch my movies." She denies that her teachings and films could encourage child abuse.

of course here we are again ...her interpretation of the bible is as valid as yours HF....in fact its probably truer to it ...

but never mind she's a christian......

that is all very terrible and clearly not real Christians but that is a moot point....

what it isn't is someone claiming a group of people who disagree with their lifestyle has hurt them when they have done it to themselves...

perhaps you should try again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

why is that ? and do you think you think you feel different if i agreed with same sex marriage ?

Because you are both wind up merchants, if you weren't both so vile and persistent with your anti-gay rhetoric I wouldn't care- there are people I disagree with of Flap I get along fine with. But you two are a different breed of nasty. Well, HF is, I feel you just go along with him.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Because you are both wind up merchants, if you weren't both so vile and persistent with your anti-gay rhetoric I wouldn't care- there are people I disagree with of Flap I get along fine with. But you two are a different breed of nasty. Well, HF is, I feel you just go along with him.

I feel the same about you and your Christianphobic views , if you weren't so vile about my faith i would be able tolerate you more , but you are just so intolerant and bigoted .

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:in the confines of this thread it is a moot point, it has nothing to do with an individual harming themselves so they can blame a group of people who do not agree with their lifestyle just to get sympathy...

mentor wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:in the confines of this thread it is a moot point, it has nothing to do with an individual harming themselves so they can blame a group of people who do not agree with their lifestyle just to get sympathy...

so suddenly you want to stick to the "confines of this thread".... thats a first for you.....


however yes it does have every relevance to this thread...



she is a christian (so she says...just like you "say")

but if you like back to the immediate point of the thread...

the guy is nuts...

so are many straight people...who's problems ALSO impact on other innocent people...

and christianity has an awsome history of this ...clue (the salem witch trials, the inquisition)
and it contiues today

you yourself do it with your attempts, pathetic as they are to demonise gays....

oh yes HF I have met your kind before...cowards too scared to "do" anything themselves, but only too happy to provide whatever false justification they can for other slightly more deranged souls to act on.....

so before you label ALL gays as "sick in the head" on the basis of one mans insanity...perhaps you should take a look into YOUR words on here....

Eilzel wrote:In my last 20 posts show me one that's anti-Christian

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

mentor wrote:

so suddenly you want to stick to the "confines of this thread".... thats a first for you.....


however yes it does have every relevance to this thread...



she is a christian (so she says...just like you "say")

but if you like back to the immediate point of the thread...

the guy is nuts...

so are many straight people...who's problems ALSO impact on other innocent people...

and christianity has an awsome history of this ...clue (the salem witch trials, the inquisition)
and it contiues today

you yourself do it with your attempts, pathetic as they are to demonise gays....

oh yes HF I have met your kind before...cowards too scared to "do" anything themselves, but only too happy to provide whatever false justification they can for other slightly more deranged souls to act on.....

so before you label ALL gays as "sick in the head" on the basis of one mans insanity...perhaps you should take a look into YOUR words on here....

anyone who self harms to me is sick in the head, anyone who drinks bleach to blame someone else is seriously sick in the head, he damages his own property...

cuckoo land central for my thinking but it was all carefully planned and orchestrated to allow an attack on those who disagreed with him being gay...

does that take it out of mental sickness and in to the realm of very cunning gay...

mentor wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:



anyone who self harms to me is sick in the head, anyone who drinks bleach to blame someone else is seriously sick in the head, he damages his own property...

cuckoo land central for my thinking but it was all carefully planned and orchestrated to allow an attack on those who disagreed with him being gay...

does that take it out of mental sickness and in to the realm of very cunning gay...

I would say it doesnt take it out of some form of mental illness, however dont confuse mental illness with mental incapacity (or at least the ability to plan and think, even if that thinking is warped by the illness)

so a bit of both....a cunning but disturbed individual......YOU however have tried albeit unsuccessfully to attach that lable to ALL gays and therin lies the problem
You clearly had issue with my claiming that nigerian nut job is representative of christians, yet you seen to think its OK to apply the same tactics against gays...

like I said elsewhere...you sure like to hand it out...but you squeal like a stuck pig when you get it back....

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

mentor wrote:

I would say it doesnt take it out of some form of mental illness, however dont confuse mental illness with mental incapacity (or at least the ability to plan and think, even if that thinking is warped by the illness)

so a bit of both....a cunning but disturbed individual......YOU however have tried albeit unsuccessfully to attach that lable to ALL gays and therin lies the problem
You clearly had issue with my claiming that nigerian nut job is representative of christians, yet you seen to think its OK to apply the same tactics against gays...

like I said elsewhere...you sure like to hand it out...but you squeal like a stuck pig when you get it back....

not seen any biblical reason to stick nails in your childs head, so i would argue it is not Christian, then again you guys always come up with the Lords army as Christians and the infamous westboro church, you know the "Jesus hates fags " group....

but as i said the lds call themselves christians they are not the jw's call themselves christians they are not, i beleive the waco guy said he was Jesus as have some others and they were not...


I think it is so much easier to define who is a gay, i think this guy in question is gay, he seems to be a nut job but it is a well formulated plan that might decry nutjob...

Vicar of Dibley wrote:more insults from mentor, you just can't help yourself can you , why can't you accept that we have our own opinions and if that means we don't agree with gays then why shouldn't that be good enough . Why are you trying to force us into accepting something we don't believe is normal .

Nobody has said every gay person is mental it is you that has said that so maybe you do actually believe that yourself ..

quote yourself "how sick he must be sick in the head "
your alterego's reply "well he probably gay"

sufficient evidence i think that you are actually too cowardly to say it outright so rely on implication ...how very deceitful...

oh and dont try to deny it...you pair do it constantly, one feeding the other a line to make comment on....

I have been on forums long enough now to see the stupidity you and others try to do to make out it is just us that are wrong when the truth is you are just trying to bully us again into agreeing to things , it isn't working and it never will . Who cares if you think we are un-Christian , is that supposed to make us feel less Christian ? it doesn't and it never will . It  is well know that Christians get persecuted for standing by their beliefs and we will always stand by them no matter how many of you try

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

mentor wrote:

I would say it doesnt take it out of some form of mental illness, however dont confuse mental illness with mental incapacity (or at least the ability to plan and think, even if that thinking is warped by the illness)

so a bit of both....a cunning but disturbed individual......YOU however have tried albeit unsuccessfully to attach that lable to ALL gays and therin lies the problem
You clearly had issue with my claiming that nigerian nut job is representative of christians, yet you seen to think its OK to apply the same tactics against gays...

like I said elsewhere...you sure like to hand it out...but you squeal like a stuck pig when you get it back....

not seen any biblical reason to stick nails in your childs head, so i would argue it is not Christian, then again you guys always come up with the Lords army as Christians and the infamous westboro church, you know the "Jesus hates fags " group....

but as i said the lds call themselves christians they are not the jw's call themselves christians they are not, i beleive the waco guy said he was Jesus as have some others and they were not...

But only in your opinion...THEY would say that they (and only they) are "true christians"  so what price "definitions"

the point is YOU imply very closely in your posts that gays (note the plural, therfore ALL gays) are sick in the head...there is no other way of understanding that post....
yet you squeal, as i said like a stuck pig when someone implies that christians (collectively) are equally sick, based on a wierd sect

moreover YOU clearly must belong to a wierd sect (even if there are only 2 of you in it) since you certainly do not follow either the thinking OR the precepts of the mainstrean christian groups ) so  perhaps you should look to your own standards first, or accept that you are going to be shall we say painted in the same colours....

I think it is so much easier to define who is a gay, i think this guy in question is gay, he seems to be a nut job but it is a well formulated plan that might decry nutjob...

mentor wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:more insults from mentor, you just can't help yourself can you , why can't you accept that we have our own opinions and if that means we don't agree with gays then why shouldn't that be good enough . Why are you trying to force us into accepting something we don't believe is normal .

Nobody has said every gay person is mental it is you that has said that so maybe you do actually believe that yourself ..

quote yourself "how sick he must be sick in the head "
your alterego's reply "well he probably gay"

sufficient evidence i think that you are actually too cowardly to say it outright so rely on implication ...how very deceitful...

oh and dont try to deny it...you pair do it constantly, one feeding the other a line to make comment on....

I have been on forums long enough now to see the stupidity you and others try to do to make out it is just us that are wrong when the truth is you are just trying to bully us again into agreeing to things , it isn't working and it never will . Who cares if you think we are un-Christian , is that supposed to make us feel less Christian ? it doesn't and it never will . It  is well know that Christians get persecuted for standing by their beliefs and we will always stand by them no matter how many of you try

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

mentor wrote:

are you actually contradicting yourself there, you say alter ego, implying like a true coward you are that my wife and I are one in the same poster, then you go on to say you pair, a pair normally implies there are two people...

you are very weird and confused vic.....


lol the only bullies are those who would force normal people to accept gays as normal, even worse the bullies who would try to force churches in to having to marry gays, even when the church disagrees with gays getting married in their church because God says being gay let alone gays getting married is not right or normal...

it is quite clear the gays are the bullies, well big mouth, cry baby, christianophobic, heterophobic, bigoted, bullies to be precise....

mentor wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:


are you actually contradicting yourself there, you say alter ego, implying like a true coward you are that my wife and I are one in the same poster, then you go on to say you pair, a pair normally implies there are two people...

you are very weird and confused vic.....


lol the only bullies are those who would force normal people to accept gays as normal, even worse the bullies who would try to force churches in to having to marry gays, even when the church disagrees with gays getting married in their church because God says being gay let alone gays getting married is not right or normal...

it is quite clear the gays are the bullies, well big mouth, cry baby, christianophobic, heterophobic, bigoted, bullies to be precise....

To be quite fair HF...I dont think that churches SHOULD be "forced " to marry ANYONE if they dont wish to

however i also think, (seperately and nothing to do with any "gay issue") that ALL religions should have their favoured tax position revoked and that they should pay all taxes due as businesses as well as individuals, and that the poll tax exception should also be removed...

after all...I dont agree with them...so why should I subsidise them

Ben_Reilly wrote:HF, can you show me any instance of a gay couple trying to force an objecting church to marry them? You always do this, where you seem to think that two people who insist they just want to get married to one another secretly want to use their wedding to give Christians a bad day.

I don't know, I guess to you they're like Kamikaze pilots who only care about the gay rights movement? You seem to have a real problem recognizing the humanity of people who are different from you in a way you disagree with.

I imagine now you're either going to deflect or go into your tired old "gays WILL try to force churches to accept them, you just wait" routine.