migrant crisis

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Watch the tory tough on immigration rhetoric dissolve and see them let in thousands of migrants


now that "the problem" is starting to bite their financial buddies pockets



Calais Migrant Crisis: Firms Count The Cost

Companies are reporting millions of pounds in losses due to delays on the M20 and the cost of writing-off stock.




Business groups are warning that the Calais migrant crisis is "a threat to the long-term viability" of British companies - as firms begin to count the cost of delays to travel through the Channel Tunnel.

It costs £1 a minute to run an HGV (heavy goods vehicle), so when Operation Stack is enforced on Kent's roads - with waiting times often in excess of six hours - it can cost hundreds of pounds for companies trying to export to mainland Europe.

Operation Stack involves parking - or stacking - up to 5,000 lorries on the M20 when Eurotunnel or Dover ferry services are disrupted.

It was first introduced in 1996, but in June and July of this year it has been used to unprecedented levels due to the migrant crisis, with the M20 closed for 24 out of 40 days.

But there are also challenges when returning to the UK from Calais, not least when migrants manage to break into lorries.
Video: Fire Blocks Road To Calais Port


According to the Freight Transport Association (FTA), one major distributor of pharmaceuticals carrying drugs bound for NHS hospitals had to write off stock of £2.5m after such a break-in, because it posed a major safety risk.

The security lapses also cause a headache for other industries, especially those where perishable goods are at stake.

Figures from the Fresh Produce Consortium suggest at least £10m worth of food destined for Britain had to be binned between January and June, because stowaways had posed a "contamination risk".


The Road Haulage Association estimates that 90% of all road freight between the UK and the continent uses Kent's road network, with as many as 10,000 loads moving across the Channel on a daily basis.

Even if just 1% of the stock is tampered with, at an average loss rate of £30,000 per trailer this amounts to a loss of £3m a day, or £1bn a year.

The FTA believes importers and hauliers have been left "carrying the can" because of the migrant crisis.

Some insurance companies are declining to cover the cost of written-off stock, invoking clauses which state that acts of civil disorder are not covered in the policies of affected businesses.
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Jo James, chief executive of Kent Invicta Chamber of Commerce, told Sky News: "Kent has been plagued with the effects of Operation Stack for over 20 years now - and every time it has been introduced, the result is the M20 is turned into a huge lorry park.

"At last, the Government has woken up to the fact that this is a national problem and a solution needs to be found.

"The loss to the local economy is significant, as businesses are unable to deliver goods and services.

"This is unacceptable and a threat to the long-term viability of some businesses."


Eurotunnel has also accused public authorities of "underestimating the migrant situation".

Last week, the company revealed it has spent €13m (£9m) on security measures in the first half of 2015 alone - and called on the French and British governments to reimburse them.

Ministers are now working with officials in Kent to find space to park lorries and ease congestion on the M20.

With the warnings that continued delays will be unsustainable for small businesses - and the prospect that higher costs will eventually be passed on to consumers - the pressure is on to resolve the crisis sooner rather than later.



http://news.sky.com/story/1528497/calais-migrant-crisis-firms-count-the-cost

wont be long before we see operation surrender monkey

Tommy Monk wrote:Stop talking rubbish dodge!!!


Those in calais are in a safe country, no longer in danger and no right to Dover here claiming otherwise.

Oh dear it seems someone did not like there reasoning shown up for how utterly absurd it was.
Okay lets give you an example.
A Tunisian Jew flees persecution and comes to Europe and lands in France. Is it safer there for the Jew in France where there is many hate crimes against Jews or to seek safety in Britain where there is far less hate crimes against Jews?
You see this is why your ability to think is so one dimentional, it does not factor in many other reasons why it would not be safe to stay in a country but seek to them a far "safer" country. You also wrongly assume they would think that country is safe when they have set out to seek asylum in one country. This is why your views fall apart.

They could go to Israel...

Tommy Monk wrote:They could go to Israel...

Again your reasoning is so flawed.
How is going to Israel going to be safer for them, when it is in a continued conflict?
Some might see that as safe, where others do not, which is why you are unable to use the brain you were given. You failed to try and place yourself in their shoes and think what they are thinking. Its what they will percieve as a safe country, not what we decide is a safe country for them. That is why again your reasoning falls apart.

well there IS an alternative


send a few tanks, and a couple of crack batallions of gurkahs through te tunnel

Annex 50 mile radius around calais

Build a 30 foot electrified fence round it


set up a refugee processing center THERE

let the acceptable ones though


shove the unacceptable ones back through fence as "frances problem"

victorismyhero wrote:well there IS an alternative


send a few tanks, and a couple of crack batallions of gurkahs through te tunnel

Annex 50 mile radius around calais

Build a 30 foot electrified fence round it


set up a refugee processing center THERE

let the acceptable ones though


shove the unacceptable ones back through fence as "frances problem"

Or we allow them to come and process them here and take a shared responsiblity with France instead of placing the problem completely on them when they take already twice as many asylum seekers than we do.

More dodgy waffle...


Those in calais are certainly not Jews and They are no longer fleeing any danger... they are in a safe country already!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:More dodgy waffle...


Those in calais are certainly not Jews and They are no longer fleeing any danger... they are in a safe country already!!!

The point went so over your head as usual.
Its not what you class as a safe place but what they think is a safe place.
Again you cannot think outside the box, because your reasoning is based on hate.
You are also trying to deny them a choice over their future.

No, it is not up to them to decide What is safe or not... it is up to ours and other govts.


They are just Piss taking scum bags who need rounding up and shipping back to place of origin!!!


If this problem is not dealt with soon then many more will be there doing even more audacious and dangerous behaviour and victors idea will become a reality!!!


By the way... I like victors idea already!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:No, it is not up to them to decide What is safe or not... it is up to ours and other govts.


They are just Piss taking scum bags who need rounding up and shipping back to place of origin!!!


If this problem is not dealt with soon then many more will be there doing even more audacious and dangerous behaviour and victors idea will become a reality!!!


By the way... I like victors idea already!!!

No its very much up to them, as you are claiming a person should feel safe if you tell them so and not being able to decide for themselves.
A dictatorship view comes from a person who wishes to impose his beliefs on others and not allow people a choice.
I see once I absolutely tear apart from your hateful views, you then resort to making hateful views about people, mistakenly thinking it makes you look intelligent. All it does it further prove what low intelligence you have.
You are just a hate filled, insecure, lacking attention and love, selfish individual. Only a person thathas such emptiness would classify a group of people as scum, for seeking a better life. Its up to them what they feel is safer.

The only thing you've been tearing apart is your boyfriends arse hole dodge!!!





They ARE a French problem because the French allowed them into their country AND are allowing them to congregate there!


You cannot be claiming to be in fear of your life from persecution in your home country while not even being there and instead being in another country which is completely safe!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:The only thing you've been tearing apart is your boyfriends arse hole dodge!!!





They ARE a French problem because the French allowed them into their country AND are allowing them to congregate there!


You cannot be claiming to be in fear of your life from persecution in your home country while not even being there and instead being in another country which is completely safe!!!

So new levels of low intelligence for Tommy thinking homosexuality is an insult to someone hetrosexual by claiming that they are. If I was homosexual I would not be ashamed of being so, which just proves how narrow minded you are. 
I would laugh at how immature that is, but then then Tommy would not twig how he has made himself look even more unintelligent.
Again we have played a part in many nations problems, and thus we have a duty to help, no matter how many more times you repeat the same drivel. You make claims based on how you feel to how people feel when in a country suffering persecution.
It just proves how one dimentional your thinking is.
Were you breastfed by any chance Tommy?

[quote="Cuchulain"]

victorismyhero wrote:well there IS an alternative


send a few tanks, and a couple of crack batallions of gurkahs through te tunnel

Annex 50 mile radius around calais


Or we allow them to come and process them here and take a shared responsiblity with France instead of placing the problem completely on them when they take already twice as many asylum seekers than we do.

France is of course twice the size of Britain.

Vintage wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


France is of course twice the size of Britain.

What has that got to do with anything in regards to feeling safe?
All that is about is whether we have the capacity of which we have vastly the capicity to do so.
7% of the nation  is urbanized, so size does not come into the equation. That is just an exuse again to deny Britain its responsibilities.

Vintage wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


France is of course twice the size of Britain.

I would also add they already take twice as many asylum seekers.
So a very moot point indeed.

Cuchulain wrote:

Vintage wrote:

What has that got to do with anything in regards to feeling safe?
All that is about is whether we have the capacity of which we have vastly the capicity to do so.
7% of the nation  is urbanized, so size does not come into the equation. That is just an exuse again to deny Britain its responsibilities.

Of course it has everything to do with everything. People are more comfortable with more space. People living in cramped conditions and close proximilty in large numbers are more prone to violence, health problems and risk of disesase spread, otherwise why would advanced societies try to keep people out of such conditions as overcrowding. I don't suppose you'll be happy until the last blade of grass is built over. Enough with your faux moral indignation and equally faux altruism.

Cuchulain wrote:

Vintage wrote:

I would also add they already take twice as many asylum seekers.
So a very moot point indeed.

Not moot.
Twice as big twice the asylum seakers - seems fair to me.
I don't see why somewhere with less land mass should take more than somewhere much larger.
Madness prevails again with the handwringing brigade.

Vintage wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


I would also add they already take twice as many asylum seekers.
So a very moot point indeed.

Not moot.
Twice as big twice the asylum seakers - seems fair to me.
I don't see why somewhere with less land mass should take more than somewhere much larger.
Madness prevails again with the handwringing brigade.

Moot again they already take twice as many asylum seekers
Madness prevails in those who are selfish, they seek to deny others help off the most insane reasons.
Some claim we should not help based on maths and geography and not out of a need to help
If we have only urbanized 7% we have plenty of room, you just offer poor arguments based on selfish reasons to deny helping people. Where again they come from places where we have directly effected.

Send them all to Kazakhstan... plenty of empty space out there!!!


Oh... but then they wouldn't be able to claim UK benefits...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Send them all to Kazakhstan... plenty of empty space out there!!!


Oh... but then they wouldn't be able to claim UK benefits...!!!

Daft reaasoning again.
Lets see if tommy can work out why.
What an ignorant child mentality he has.

Those in calais are in a safe country so no longer fleeing danger.


They are criminals by breaking into secure areas of channel tunnel and by breaking into lorries.


Also trying to enter our country illegally is also a crime.


Why are they not being arrested and prosecuted like anyone else would be...!?


All in the name of equality mind...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Those in calais are in a safe country so no longer fleeing danger.


They are criminals by breaking into secure areas of channel tunnel and by breaking into lorries.


Also trying to enter our country illegally is also a crime.


Why are they not being arrested and prosecuted like anyone else would be...!?


All in the name of equality mind...!!!

They are criminal?




Based on your reasoning?



Priceless, so a subjective measure is your reason to deny people help?

Breaking into secure areas of channel tunnel and breaking into lorries are criminal offences so They ARE criminals by doing that.


It is also a crime to try to enter our country illegally!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:
Breaking into secure areas of channel tunnel and breaking into lorries are criminal offences so They ARE criminals by doing that.


It is also a crime to try to enter our country illegally!!!

Is it?
Did all do this Tommy?
Moot argument agaiin

They are all doing It on a daily basis!!!


That is What they do there!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:They are all doing It on a daily basis!!!


That is What they do there!!!

Inane drivel yet again

Everyone knows that they are breaking into lorries And into the port!!!


That is What they do to try to get here!!!


There was about 2000 of them trying to storm the port only a few nights ago!!!


Are you completely out OF touch with reality!!!???

Tommy Monk wrote:Everyone knows that they are breaking into lorries And into the port!!!


That is What they do to try to get here!!!


There was about 2000 of them trying to storm the port only a few nights ago!!!


Are you completely out OF touch with reality!!!???

Really?
Based off your views?

Tommy Monk wrote:Everyone knows that they are breaking into lorries And into the port!!!


That is What they do to try to get here!!!


There was about 2000 of them trying to storm the port only a few nights ago!!!


Are you completely out OF touch with reality!!!???

2000 ? about 100

A second attempt to force another entry into the port failed, as 150 migrants gathered around the entrances to the dock were stopped by police

No, based off of wide spread news reporting of The facts!!!


I can't believe you Are trying to deny this!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:No, based off of wide spread news reporting of The facts!!!


I can't believe you Are trying to deny this!!!

I am not denying anything but unlike you i am not exaggerating ether

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11074268/Migrants-try-to-storm-ferry-after-breaking-into-port-of-Calais.html

KD...


Widely reported...

2000 Monday night and 1500 Tuesday!


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/calais-migrants-crisis-david-cameron-6168787

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33713268

Also KD... your article is from September 2014!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:KD...


Widely reported...

2000 Monday night and 1500 Tuesday!


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/calais-migrants-crisis-david-cameron-6168787

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33713268

As usual tommy wrong again it would seem

you said

There was about 2000 of them trying to storm the port only a few nights ago!!!

and in the link if you had bothered to read it
Also on the agenda will be the Channel Tunnel terminal, where 2,000 migrants broke through fences on Monday night followed by another 1,500 on Tuesday.

Tommy Monk wrote:Also KD... your article is from September 2014!!!

oh show me a link that says they where 2000 storming  the PORT

Stop splitting hairs KD... that is exactly what I was saying... so I said 'port' instead of 'channel tunnel terminal'... so what?


It's easier to type 'port' and The whole area of calais there is referred to as a port!!!


Still 2000 Monday, 1500 Tuesday!!!


But dodge thinks that this is not happening...

And this link made me chuckle from the guy who says the bbc are biased and not to be trusted every day ,seems when it suites you ,your happy to believe the bbc and cite there news lol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33713268

i am not splitting any hairs

you said
Everyone knows that they are breaking into lorries And into the port!!!

that imply`s two separate locations the lorry terminal and the port

Tommy Monk wrote:Stop splitting hairs KD... that is exactly what I was saying... so I said 'port' instead of 'channel tunnel terminal'... so what?


It's easier to type 'port' and The whole area of calais there is referred to as a port!!!


Still 2000 Monday, 1500 Tuesday!!!


But dodge thinks that this is not happening...

A port
is a location on a coast or shore containing one or more harbors where ships can dock and transfer people or cargo to or from land.


A terminal

the end of a railway or other transport route, or a station at such a point.

Oh dear...!!!


I used the BBC and mirror articles for the very reason that you lefties love the BBC and The mirror and even they are saying 2000 Monday and 1500 Tuesday!!!


If I posted the daily mail link then you would just be saying it's rubbish because it was a daily mail article!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Oh dear...!!!


I used the BBC and mirror articles for the very reason that you lefties love the BBC and The mirror and even they are saying 2000 Monday and 1500 Tuesday!!!


If I posted the daily mail link then you would just be saying it's rubbish because it was a daily mail article!!!

would i ? please show any post where i have dismissed Any daily mail`s story's ....in your own time

and claiming what "i would say" is pretty lame when i have never made such a claim before

They are breaking into lorries all over the place in calais!!!


It is a matter of national security and safety for the lorry drivers for action to put a stop to this!


But my question was... why aren't they being arrested and prosecuted for their criminal behaviour and then deported by the French!?

Tommy Monk wrote:All of these people in calais are in a SAFE COUNTRY and have passed through many other safe countries to get to calais!!!


Some of them may well have originalm been fleeing persecution or A dangerous war zone etc... but they are not now so have no basis for any right to entry into UK or any subsequent genuine asylum claim!!!


Why aren't these people being arrested and prosecuted when breaking into the Chanel tunnel compound!?


If I cut through the fences UK side and started running about then I would quickly be arrested and packed off to local nick facing all sorts of trouble!!!


Why are these illegal immigrants being allowed to roam free after doing it!?

These are valid points and questions

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:All of these people in calais are in a SAFE COUNTRY and have passed through many other safe countries to get to calais!!!


Some of them may well have originalm been fleeing persecution or A dangerous war zone etc... but they are not now so have no basis for any right to entry into UK or any subsequent genuine asylum claim!!!


Why aren't these people being arrested and prosecuted when breaking into the Chanel tunnel compound!?


If I cut through the fences UK side and started running about then I would quickly be arrested and packed off to local nick facing all sorts of trouble!!!


Why are these illegal immigrants being allowed to roam free after doing it!?

These are valid points and questions

Of course they are... thank you Eddie!

However, didge thinks otherwise...

Well I certainly can see your points Tommy

When they all get here, as they surely will who will house them, feed them, provide medical help ect.ect. Most of them are uneducated and know nothing about this countries history and how to behave when they arrive. How many of them are Doctors, Teachers Engineers ect. This Country is a laughing stock to most of the World.

They are African so should all be shipped back to Africa to deal with... it is a huge continent, plenty of room for them all there!

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:All of these people in calais are in a SAFE COUNTRY and have passed through many other safe countries to get to calais!!!


Some of them may well have originalm been fleeing persecution or A dangerous war zone etc... but they are not now so have no basis for any right to entry into UK or any subsequent genuine asylum claim!!!


Why aren't these people being arrested and prosecuted when breaking into the Chanel tunnel compound!?


If I cut through the fences UK side and started running about then I would quickly be arrested and packed off to local nick facing all sorts of trouble!!!


Why are these illegal immigrants being allowed to roam free after doing it!?

These are valid points and questions

Valid?
There are the views of someone who is hateful, this was evident by his reason on him being wrong to think they were all African and black.
Behave Eddie, you are just as bad with your reasons that you do not want people here because you also have a poor view of ethnic groups.
Tommy never had any valid p;oints, he has hateful points, you need to understand the difference.
We hardly take in any asylum seekers and we have helped created many problems in countries, we thus have a responsibility to help people
There is nothing valid in what Tommy says, its formed from racial hate and do not even claim otheriwse

Christianity, whose presence in the Middle East predates Islam’s by 600 years, is about to be cleansed from the Middle East. Egyptian Copts may have found some respite under President Abdel Fatah al-Sissi, but after their persecution under the previous Muslim Brotherhood government, they know how precarious their existence in 90 percent Muslim Egypt remains. Elsewhere, it’s much worse. Twenty-one Copts were beheaded by the Islamic State affiliate in Libya for the crime of being Christian. In those large swaths of Syria and Iraq where the Islamic State rules, the consequences for Christians are terrible — enslavement, exile, torture, massacre, crucifixion.
Over the decades, many Middle Eastern Christians, seeing the rise of political Islam and the intensification of savage sectarian wars, have simply left. Lebanon’s Christians, once more than half the population, are now estimated at about a third. The number of Christians under Palestinian Authority rule in the West Bank has dwindled — in Bethlehem, for example, dropping by half. (The exception, of course, is Israel, where Christians, Arab and non-Arab, enjoy not just protection but civil rights. Their numbers are increasing. But that’s another story.)


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/syrian-christians-and-the-english-jew/2015/07/30/6642f9d0-36f6-11e5-9739-170df8af8eb9_story.html

Though as seen Tommy does not want to help people suffering persecution because to him some of them have too dark a skin to being of a need to help.

Behave dodge!!!


We have all seen the news reporting showing all blacks!!!


They ARE an African union problem and for them to take their people and sort out!

Tommy Monk wrote:Behave dodge!!!


We have all seen the news reporting showing all blacks!!!


They ARE an African union problem and for them to take their people and sort out!

And Tommy proves why he is such a racist.
Blacks are not even close to being the biggest group of migrants as seen from the facts.
To say you have seen Tv news why seeing a few black people on video proves why you are so far removed from reality.
That is a very small number of the people who flee persecution.
Last year alone Ukranians were the largest group showing you do not want to look at the facts and are instead driven by your racism and paranoia.
So yes behave Tommy, you are uttely clueless.