migrant crisis

Watch the tory tough on immigration rhetoric dissolve and see them let in thousands of migrants


now that "the problem" is starting to bite their financial buddies pockets



Calais Migrant Crisis: Firms Count The Cost

Companies are reporting millions of pounds in losses due to delays on the M20 and the cost of writing-off stock.




Business groups are warning that the Calais migrant crisis is "a threat to the long-term viability" of British companies - as firms begin to count the cost of delays to travel through the Channel Tunnel.

It costs £1 a minute to run an HGV (heavy goods vehicle), so when Operation Stack is enforced on Kent's roads - with waiting times often in excess of six hours - it can cost hundreds of pounds for companies trying to export to mainland Europe.

Operation Stack involves parking - or stacking - up to 5,000 lorries on the M20 when Eurotunnel or Dover ferry services are disrupted.

It was first introduced in 1996, but in June and July of this year it has been used to unprecedented levels due to the migrant crisis, with the M20 closed for 24 out of 40 days.

But there are also challenges when returning to the UK from Calais, not least when migrants manage to break into lorries.
Video: Fire Blocks Road To Calais Port


According to the Freight Transport Association (FTA), one major distributor of pharmaceuticals carrying drugs bound for NHS hospitals had to write off stock of £2.5m after such a break-in, because it posed a major safety risk.

The security lapses also cause a headache for other industries, especially those where perishable goods are at stake.

Figures from the Fresh Produce Consortium suggest at least £10m worth of food destined for Britain had to be binned between January and June, because stowaways had posed a "contamination risk".


The Road Haulage Association estimates that 90% of all road freight between the UK and the continent uses Kent's road network, with as many as 10,000 loads moving across the Channel on a daily basis.

Even if just 1% of the stock is tampered with, at an average loss rate of £30,000 per trailer this amounts to a loss of £3m a day, or £1bn a year.

The FTA believes importers and hauliers have been left "carrying the can" because of the migrant crisis.

Some insurance companies are declining to cover the cost of written-off stock, invoking clauses which state that acts of civil disorder are not covered in the policies of affected businesses.
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Jo James, chief executive of Kent Invicta Chamber of Commerce, told Sky News: "Kent has been plagued with the effects of Operation Stack for over 20 years now - and every time it has been introduced, the result is the M20 is turned into a huge lorry park.

"At last, the Government has woken up to the fact that this is a national problem and a solution needs to be found.

"The loss to the local economy is significant, as businesses are unable to deliver goods and services.

"This is unacceptable and a threat to the long-term viability of some businesses."


Eurotunnel has also accused public authorities of "underestimating the migrant situation".

Last week, the company revealed it has spent €13m (£9m) on security measures in the first half of 2015 alone - and called on the French and British governments to reimburse them.

Ministers are now working with officials in Kent to find space to park lorries and ease congestion on the M20.

With the warnings that continued delays will be unsustainable for small businesses - and the prospect that higher costs will eventually be passed on to consumers - the pressure is on to resolve the crisis sooner rather than later.



http://news.sky.com/story/1528497/calais-migrant-crisis-firms-count-the-cost

wont be long before we see operation surrender monkey

Operation surrender monkey - that's good.

Victor... what would you suggest happens to all these criminal illegal immigrants...!?

I suggest a couple of 50 cal turrets at the french end...pointing outwards.......

I see that the Nazi in you is showing through again...

pfffft...only last week you were calling me a lefty...make up your mind....

Daily Mail Headline From 1938 Draws Comparisons With Current Reporting Of Calais Migrant Crisis:


Comparisons are being drawn between a 1938 Daily Mail article on German Jews entering the UK, and media coverage of the Calais migrant crisis 77 years later.
With the headline "German Jews Pouring Into This Country", the article warns of "aliens" entering the UK through the "back door."
The clipping also appears to talk about a woman who was charged with "knowingly harbouring" a migrant man who she intended to marry.

And incidentally, the Daily Mail's reaction to those *actually fleeing Hitler* in the 30s was to blame them. pic.twitter.com/Ou4bE2RGnM
— Elainovision 452b (@scattermoon) July 30, 2015

One commenter said: "Just substitute the word 'Jew' with the word 'migrant'".

@sa_cullen @joswinson @BBCNormanS @itvnews pretty much identical in fact pic.twitter.com/7cKObBRN42
— Chris Kane (@cmrwdk) July 30, 2015

Another posted a photo of a clipping from a 1914 article in The Times, in which the editor calls for the people of Folkestone to financially assist refugees who have been forced out of their home countries.
A photo of a clipping was shared on Facebook in a group called Stand with the Calais Migrants, who are planning a demonstration in Folkestone to "show their support for their fellow human beings".

@david_bushby See what the Daily Mail was writing about German Jews coming to Britain in 1938. Anything familiar? https://t.co/15my9S8wyK
— Tom Lines (@TomLINESorguk) July 30, 2015

Full transcript:
"The way stateless Jews and Germans are pouring in from every port of this country is becoming an outrage. I intend to enforce the law to the fullest."
In these words, Mr Herbert Metcalde, the Old Street Magistrate yesterday referred to the number of aliens entering this country through the 'back door' -- a problem to which The Daily Mail has repeatedly pointed.
The number of aliens entering this country can be seen by the number of prosecutions in recent months. It is very difficult for the alien to escape the increasing vigilance of the police and port authorities.
Even if aliens manage to break through the defences, it is not long before they are caught and deported.
The greatest of their difficulties is employment [clipping cuts off]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/31/daily-mail-1938-jews_n_7909954.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

victorismyhero wrote:pfffft...only last week you were calling me a lefty...make up your mind....

THe Nazis were nationalist socialists...

Tommy Monk wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:pfffft...only last week you were calling me a lefty...make up your mind....

THe Nazis were nationalist socialists...

How many more times are you going to ignore the facts.
A name does not make a party left wing.
Again in 1934, on the night of the long knives Hitler eradicated the Strasserist faction from the Nazi Party. The Nazi Party certainly used propaganda of Socialism to attract more support but as seen by this action it clearly showed it went to great lenghs to remove any left wing elements from the Party.

How many times are you going to deny the facts...!?


The nazis were nationalist socialists who wanted to look after themselves at the expense of everyone else, where our labour socialists want to look after everyone else at the expense of us.


But not what this thread is about.


What I want to know is why these scum bags in calais are now being referred to as 'migrants' rather than what they really are which is illegal immigrants and criminals!!!???


They have travelled over countless safe countries where they could seek refuge if genuinely fleeing persecution etc.


And when they are committing crimes on a daily basis by breaking into lorries and destroying fences, trespassing, being there illegally, as well as general vagrancy And littering etc, why are they not being arrested and deported!!!???


They all need rounding up and shipping back to where they came from, and for the authorities to keep doing it until they learn not to keep coming.


The fact they are there, have been allowed to gather and continue doing what they are doing shows a complete and unacceptable failure of The authorities!!


Also the removal of borders and controls across Europe by the EU is allowing them to cross unchecked.

Reinstate the borders and The problem would be stopped.

Again spacing out your sentences is denying the facts or how the vast majority of Nazi policies were right wing and not left wing. You fail to explain why after a year in power the Nazi Party eradicated the Strasserist faction from the Nazi Party and instead use poor Conservatrive arguments to remove badly any ties to right wing doctrine from the Nazi Party. So you can keep talking utter garbage as you often do daily, but again the facts show your views are not only vewry ignorant on the matter but make you an apologist of Nazi right wing ideology.

So people fleeing Nazism were Jews. Today we have many people fleeing conflicts in the Middle East that we had a part in creating with conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. You though think people fleeing violence from also places like Africa are scum, shows how far removed you are from reality. You think all are coming here for a free ride which is utterly abusrd and shows how you have a very poor ethos towards human beings in general. You see this is further proved by your poor sterotype view that they are criminals by criminal acts being committed by some and where you cast all under the same.

They are overwhelmingly black Africans.

So because they are black or from Africa means to you they are not fleeing from persecution or violence?

AFrica is a huge continent... plenty of places they can go... not an excuse to be allowed in here!!!



Round them up and return them from where they came!!!

There are plenty of reasons to get as far away as possible and even more so to a nation that has a connection to their own country as a former part of the British Empire. Its not up to you to decide where people wish to flee persecution just because you were lucky to be born onto a land where you have never faced discrmination. You are offing up poor reasons to deny people a chance to have a new life here, which you take for granted the fact you fail to see how privileged you are.

Fuck off dodge!!!

They are criminals and illegal immigrant chancers!!!

There is a whole world of safe places out there and They have travelled over much of it already!

So they can fuck off as far as I'm concerned!!!

So as usual Tommy has a tantrum when faced with ethical and moral reasoning and as seen now claims any person from Africa is now a criminal to him which is about as racist as you can get.

So questions you need to ask.

If a person flees from an African nation from persecution which has connections to Britain through being a former part of the Empire. Where they would have knowledge of the British system of Goverment and its language and some of its history and culture. As that person would you chose to stay in France a country you have no knowledge of and unable to communicate or Briatin where you stand a chance of adapting to that new life quickly?

Second tell me one African country a migrant fleeing persecution is going to provide an equal or if not better chance of a new life than the UK?

They are criminal because they are committing crimes dodge... simple really...

Tommy Monk wrote:They are criminal because they are committing crimes dodge... simple really...

No some commit crimes, the vast majority do not so again you are painting all with the same brush.


Some facts for you:


So here are some facts that you might find useful next time you're thinking about that "swarm" (David Cameron's word, not mine) of migrants crossing the Mediterranean from north Africa. Why not keep them handy (the facts, not the migrants) on your smartphone, or print them out and shove them in a pocket.

Q.1: Why do they all want to come to the UK?
A: They don't. Far more migrants head for Germany and Sweden, which dealt with nearly half of all asylum applications into the EU last year. The ones at Calais are a tiny fraction of the overall number, probably no more than 3,000 out of a total of well over 175,000 who have entered the EU so far this year.

Q.2: So why are the numbers higher than ever?
A: They're not - according to the EU's own figures, there were 672,000 EU asylum applications in 1992 (when there were only 15 members of the EU), compared to 626,000 last year (when the EU had grown to 28 members with a total population of 500 million). It is true, however, that numbers had dropped substantially in the interim. (Click here for the detailed figures.)

Q.3: How many actually apply for asylum in the UK?
A: According to the latest government statistics: "There were 25,020 asylum applications in the year ending March 2015, an increase of 5% compared with the previous year (23,803). The number of applications remains low relative to the peak number of applications in 2002 (84,132)."

Q.4: Why aren't the migrants just sent back to where they came from if they're not genuine asylum-seekers?
A: Because often we have no way of telling where they came from. Many have no documents, either because they have destroyed them, or because they have been handed over to traffickers who have disappeared.

Q.5: But they can't all be from Syria, can they?
A: No, but about a fifth of the total are. The other main known countries of origin are Afghanistan, Kosovo and Eritrea. The biggest increase in asylum applications last year was from Ukrainians.

Q.6: Why don't Syria's neighbours look after Syrian refugees?
A: They do. According to the UN, there are more than two million registered refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, and another 1.7million in Turkey.

Q.7: If some of the migrants who enter the EU are genuine refugees, why don't they apply for asylum in the first country they get to?
A: Huge numbers do exactly that: the number of applications more than doubled last year in both Italy (the main entry point for migrants who have made it across the Mediterranean) and Hungary (entry point for mainly Asian migrants who originally entered the EU from Turkey).

Q.8: So who are the ones in Calais?
A: A huge mix of nationalities, most of whom have a particular reason for wanting to get to the UK: they may have relatives or friends who are already here, they may be English-speakers who believe they're more likely to find work here, or they may have heard that there's already a substantial number of others from their home country who have already settled here.

Q.9: Isn' t the real reason that they know they'll get benefits as soon as they make it across the Channel?
A: No. According to the independent fact-checking organisation Full Fact, most citizens of non-EU countries who come to live in the UK have no recourse to public funds in the initial years after they arrive, nor are asylum-seekers eligible for welfare benefits while their claims are pending.

Q.10: So why are the media making such a huge fuss about the migrants in Calais?
A: Good question. Partly because they're easy to find and easy to get to - and those long lines of stranded lorries make great TV pictures. So do the desperate images of desperate people risking their lives as they try to leap onto trucks or trains as they head for the Channel Tunnel. And also, of course, because the story feeds into the current debate about the UK's membership of the EU and overall immigration policy. (Plus parliament is on holiday and we're all bored to tears with the Labour leadership contest.)

Do I have the answer to the global migration crisis? No, but here are some suggestions that might help: set up proper, EU-run processing centres at the main entry points: southern Italy, Greece, Hungary. Genuine refugees should be offered asylum according to an agreed quota calculated according to population and GDP. Those deemed non-eligible for asylum would be offered a choice: wait in a camp until your number comes up, and then go where you're sent -- or go home.
The tragedy is that so many people are so desperate that they're prepared to die in an attempt to find a safe place to live. And our response is so blinkered that all we can think of is building higher fences.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-lustig/calais-migrants-refugees_b_7909630.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk

They are the frogs problem...they let em INTO france

Tommy Monk wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:pfffft...only last week you were calling me a lefty...make up your mind....

THe Nazis were nationalist socialists...

I was waiting for that piece of idiocy.....predictable.....

Cuchulain wrote:There are plenty of reasons to get as far away as possible and even more so to a nation that has a connection to their own country as a former part of the British Empire. Its not up to you to decide where people wish to flee persecution just because you were lucky to be born onto a land where you have never faced discrmination. You are offing up poor reasons to deny people a chance to have a new life here, which you take for granted the fact you fail to see how privileged you are.

Just like the woman from former French Colony that spoke pretty good French - its still an official language where she came from but speaks no English and decided she'd head for Britain?

Vintage wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:There are plenty of reasons to get as far away as possible and even more so to a nation that has a connection to their own country as a former part of the British Empire. Its not up to you to decide where people wish to flee persecution just because you were lucky to be born onto a land where you have never faced discrmination. You are offing up poor reasons to deny people a chance to have a new life here, which you take for granted the fact you fail to see how privileged you are.

Just like the woman from  former French Colony that spoke pretty good French - its still an official language where she came from but speaks no English and decided she'd head for Britain?

As stated there can be many reasons why some will choose the UK.
There is no valid reason to deny doing our share of hellp to those who need it, even more so where we have played a part in the current situation they face in their country.

They are committing crimes of illegal entry into countries, continuing to be there without declaring themselves, breaking into lorries And containers, breaking into secure areas of channel tunnel... criminal damage, trespassing, threatening behaviour, etc etc...


The idiots out there enabling them with food and clothing hand nuts are also accessories.


The French authorities are complicit in facilitating their crimes.

Tommy Monk wrote:They are committing crimes of illegal entry into countries, continuing to be there without declaring themselves, breaking into lorries And containers, breaking into secure areas of channel tunnel... criminal damage, trespassing, threatening behaviour, etc etc...


The idiots out there enabling them with food and clothing hand nuts are also accessories.


The French authorities are complicit in facilitating their crimes.

You are still lumping all nmigrants together again,
For a start you claim they were all majority black African and as seen you got that completely wrong. You are using a poor fear based argument, where you make an unfounded view to all based off some.
You seem have issues with so many groups of people.
Not only that you are just continuing to repeating the same taring all with a brush.
You have made it a boring debate.

Laters

Come off it dodge... ALL OF THEM HAVE PASSED THROUGH NUMEROUS SAFE COUNTRIES AND HAVE THEREBY HAD NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES TO DECLARE THEMSELVES AND GET THE SAFE REFUGE WE ARE TOLD THAT THEY ARE SEEKING!!!


BY REFUSING TO DO THIS IN THE NUMEROUS SAFE COUNTRIES THEY HAVE ALREADY TRAVELLED THROUGH, THEN THEY HAVE NO LEGITIMATE CLAIM HERE!!!


THEY CAN'T TRY TO COME FROM A SAFE COUNTRY LIKE FRANCE AND TRY TELLING US THAT THEY ARE STILL FLEEING PERSECUTION ETC!!!


ANY MORE THAN A HUNGRY PERSON CAN COME OUT OF A RESTAURANT FULL UP AND THEN STILL CLAIM TO BE HUNGRY!!!


OR SOMEONE WHO HAS WALKED BAREFOOT FOR A FEW MILES, BE GIVEN SHOES ONLY TO THEN TRY TO TELL YOU THEY ARE STILL WALKING BAREFOOT!!!

So thinking repeating the same nonesense in Caplocks is going to some how make your point look better and credible.
I think not Tommy.
I hope to engage further with Vintage and Victor on this when I am next back on, as you as seen are not worth wasting my time further debating you on this. You act like a 2 year old and cannot even formulate a decent view point, just the same inane drivel.
The fact is that all your points have been addressed and you have failed each time to counter mine and even answer uestions posed to you.
Step aside and allow the grown ups to have a proper debate.

Thanks

Goodnight

All of these people in calais are in a SAFE COUNTRY and have passed through many other safe countries to get to calais!!!


Some of them may well have originalm been fleeing persecution or A dangerous war zone etc... but they are not now so have no basis for any right to entry into UK or any subsequent genuine asylum claim!!!


Why aren't these people being arrested and prosecuted when breaking into the Chanel tunnel compound!?


If I cut through the fences UK side and started running about then I would quickly be arrested and packed off to local nick facing all sorts of trouble!!!


Why are these illegal immigrants being allowed to roam free after doing it!?

All of these people in calais are already in a SAFE COUNTRY and have passed through numerous other safe countries to get there!!!


They have already escaped any oppression that they claim to have been running from, by the fact that they are now in calais which is a safe place in a safe country!!!

So if they are already in a safe place in a safe country and free from their claimed persecution or danger etc... Then their continued actions of breaking into secure areas and lorries etc are purely criminal and need to be prosecuted as such... just like I would be If I broke into the UK end of Chanel tunnel and started running about!!!

1 “As usual the French have already given up, they don’t care as long as the 'refugees' make it to England.” French police have made close to 18,000 arrests so far this year and an extra 120 officers have been deployed to Calais this year.

2 "Why doesn't France take them?" JEAN CHRISTOPHE MAGNENET via Getty Images France handles roughly double the amount of asylum requests than the UK. Last year, France received 62 735 applications, versus the UK’s 31 745.

3 “This is what happens when our government gives houses, money and free healthcare to people that have never paid a penny in.” The UK government does not ‘give houses’ to those seeking asylum – it provides accommodation while claims are assessed and processed. This is temporary and unlikely to be in London or the south east of England. During this time, asylum seekers are not entitled to work in the UK with single adults receiving £36.95 a week in support. Illegal migrants are unlikely to declare themselves to authorities.

4 “They are economic migrants, not asylum seekers.” Economic migrants can make a formal application to live and work in the UK from their home country. Asylum seekers set off on their journeys without having made an application: they are often not leaving through choice. Refugees are considered separately. Illegal immigrants make no applications – either before they set off, or once they arrive. They're likely to find work in the shadows, forgoing the benefits of citizenship.

5 “These 'peaceful' migrants are threatening to kill! These are violent young men, happy to break the law and enter this country in whatever way they can.” Violence in Calais is often directed towards migrants, rather than the other way around. Human Rights Watch has found that refugees in Calais are subjected to regular ‘harrassment and abuse’ including beatings, attacks and the use of pepper spray. Some of those attempting to get to Britain told the organisation that their treatment in France had convinced them they simply could not stay there.

6 “Why is Cameron still insisting they are trying to get here because there is lots of jobs and our economy is strong?" Compared to Greece and Italy, the UK economy is strong. Illegal immigrants are highly unlikely to declare themselves to authorities in order to ‘receive benefits’. They are more likely to work in the ‘unobserved’ black economy – which makes up 1% of the UK’s workforce. There are currently 726,000 job vacancies in the UK.

7 “All those immigrants will be living in luxury in London.” To those claiming asylum, the UK government makes clear that it is highly unlikely they will be accommodated in London or the south east of England. While asylum claims are processed, applicants are not eligible to work – unless their claim takes longer than a year to process.

8 “Close that damned tunnel!” Peter Macdiarmid via Getty Images The tunnel itself carried 20.35million tonnes of freight in 2014, according to Eurotunnel – and remains a key part of the British export and import market. Further, the tunnel itself is only facilitating illegal immigration in so far as migrants board trucks travelling on its lines. These trucks also use ferry services.

9 “Crime is rising and our streets filled with beggars why would we not want to stop this?” Peter Macdiarmid via Getty Images Last year, crime fell by 7% in England and Wales, according to the ONS. There has been reduced public spending across services, including the money that would have been spent on social housing by local authorities. Government says it is taking action against employers that don’t abide by minimum wage legislation.

10 “So much for the EU!” YanniKouts/Flickr Those EU countries bordering the Mediterranean such as Greece and Italy are being overwhelmed by the recent increase in those fleeing North Africa. As a result, other EU nations have had to step up and accept more migrants. Countries like Germany and Sweden traditionally receive far more asylum applicants than other countries, including Britain.

11 "Why can't they stay and fight?" ASSOCIATED PRESS Those fleeing Syria, Libya and Eritrea have increased in number as a result of recent conflicts. Thousands of Syrians fleeing their country have decided to leave after seeing family members killed, or their communities destroyed, Mercy Corps found. Eritreans interviewed at Calais say they had no choice but to leave the military dictatorship, "I want to study in England," one told The Telegraph. Many migrants say they fear persecution, arrest and even death if they were to return - claims backed up by the UN.Close


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/31/calais-migrants-crisis-myths-facts_n_7910350.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

I think the figures speak for themselves, only Greece gets fewer applications than we do.

Thought a few facts rather than Daily Mail rubbish might help.

And how do they get to Germany without passing through other safe countries...!?

If coming from a safe country then they are no longer fleeing persecution so are therefore just economic migrants.

Tommy Monk wrote:And how do they get to Germany without passing through other safe countries...!?

If coming from a safe country then they are no longer fleeing persecution so are therefore just economic migrants.

Absurd and you are just proclaiming this when that is not the case at all.
How many more times does this need to even be explained and the reason you are so against asylum seekers is because you are racist, so why not just come out and admit that you are. Already it has been explained why some travel here, due to country connections, language or they have relatives here etc. There is no law stating they have to reside in the first country they come to.

•There is nothing in international law to say that refugees must claim asylum in the first country they reach.

•It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.
(United Nations 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees)


We all know your real reason is hate, so you can cut with the bullshit Tommy, as that is your real reason and this has been explained to you so many times and yet you still persist with the same bullshit.

You just continue to repeat your same inane drivel and think its valid.

Its not, all it shows is how inhuman you are.

If anything that is where you should look to the root cause of your hate and learn to resolve why you do.

On that I wish you luck

Laters

Still can't answer the question...



If they are in a safe country then they are Not fleeing persecution any more so those in France are just illegal immigrants and criminals.

Tommy Monk wrote:Still can't answer the question...



If they are in a safe country then they are Not fleeing persecution any more so those in France are just illegal immigrants and criminals.

I just did answer and it shows you cannot read.
The fact is you are gutless and cannot give your real reasons here. They are still assylum seekers where they claim assylum.
So again they do not have to reside in the first country they come to and it makes perfect sense for some to come here when they have an understanding of the language and cultre etc. Also we have played a part in why some of these countries are in a mess and thus have a duty of repsonsibility to help them. All you offer is selfish and hateful reasons to deny people help, all of which in many cases the Uk has played a part whether it be with arms sales or active involvement.

let them all come in and settle them in Scotland, the scots can afford to keep 'em can't they?

If they are already in France which is a is safe country, then they can no longer claim to be fleeing persecution... they have already got away from it!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:If they are already in France which is a is safe country, then they can no longer claim to be fleeing persecution... they have already got away from it!!!

Wrong, as seen already of which you are arguing off the belief they have to claim in France.
As seen by law they do not have to claim assylum there.
That is why your point is moot.

Case Closed

How does the perception of the UK match up to the reality for migrants once they get here? We asked three people about their experiences.



Ramelle, 34, came to the UK alone in 2003 after fleeing the Democratic Republic of Congo where family members, including her mother, had been killed. She was denied asylum several times, and lived on the street in London before spending years sofa-surfing in Liverpool. With the support of the British Red Cross, she has completed her degree in biotechnology, and is working as a carer in Leicester while looking for work in the science sector. She was granted indefinite leave to remain in 2010. “I had a better life back home, but I had to leave as I wanted to survive. If I had known how hard it would be, I would rather have died with my family. Before coming here, I had never known poverty or destitution. I had physical abuse there. Here I have had mental abuse [the asylum process]... that has led to me trying to kill myself many times. I have learnt to seek help when I need it, and the people from the charities who have helped me have become my friends and family. I am isolated and I feel scared most of the time.”

Abdulrahim Ali, 29, came from Eritrea in February and is living in Bradford after being granted asylum. A conscript, he spent eight years in the Eritrean army, before fleeing to Sudan and later Libya. He paid people-traffickers $4,000 to get to Italy, then travelled from Calais by hiding in a truck. “In the military, I was like a slave. When I went to Sudan, there was no escape as they can come into Sudan and take you back. “When I arrived in Calais it was winter. It was really cold. I spent three months there. There was no food, no clothes. Some charities try to help. When I left Eritrea, I didn’t know anything about England or Germany or even where they were. Some people try to get asylum in France but are rejected. “It is very good to be in the UK but it is not like heaven. I have come here to work. We are safe here. I have justice and freedom, but I miss my family, my wife and my land, and I hope to go back one day. More people know what is going on in Eritrea, and I have hope it will change.”


Dr Chefena Hailemariam is a former lecturer and lead researcher in Sociolinguistics in the English Department at the University of Asmara in Eritrea. He came to the UK seven years ago on a fellowship, and applied for refugee status after the political situation worsened in Eritrea and his university closed. He was granted asylum a month after applying. His wife and children joined him in Manchester three and a half years ago. “It has been difficult to rebuild my career here. Although I had some associations with a few UK higher education institutions, there is a lot of skilled manpower in the UK and my field is extremely competitive. Also, connections are important. I do a combination of interpretation work and consulting and I keep up with research in my area of study.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/calais-crisis-migrants-that-have-made-it-to-the-uk-reveal-how-britain-has-matched-their-expectations-10432865.html

Again missing the point...

If they are already in a safe country then they have already escaped their claimed persecution.

Tommy Monk wrote:Again missing the point...

If they are already in a safe country then they have already escaped their claimed persecution.

You are missing the point, they do not have to claim assylum in the first country and the reasons which have been provided.
All you are doing is trying to make an argument for Britain to be irresponsible, when it has a duty to help people.

Cuchulain wrote:How does the perception of the UK match up to the reality for migrants once they get here? We asked three people about their experiences.



Ramelle, 34, came to the UK alone in 2003 after fleeing the Democratic Republic of Congo where family members, including her mother, had been killed. She was denied asylum several times, and lived on the street in London before spending years sofa-surfing in Liverpool. With the support of the British Red Cross, she has completed her degree in biotechnology, and is working as a carer in Leicester while looking for work in the science sector. She was granted indefinite leave to remain in 2010. “I had a better life back home, but I had to leave as I wanted to survive. If I had known how hard it would be, I would rather have died with my family. Before coming here, I had never known poverty or destitution. I had physical abuse there. Here I have had mental abuse [the asylum process]... that has led to me trying to kill myself many times. I have learnt to seek help when I need it, and the people from the charities who have helped me have become my friends and family. I am isolated and I feel scared most of the time.”

Abdulrahim Ali, 29, came from Eritrea in February and is living in Bradford after being granted asylum. A conscript, he spent eight years in the Eritrean army, before fleeing to Sudan and later Libya. He paid people-traffickers $4,000 to get to Italy, then travelled from Calais by hiding in a truck. “In the military, I was like a slave. When I went to Sudan, there was no escape as they can come into Sudan and take you back. “When I arrived in Calais it was winter. It was really cold. I spent three months there. There was no food, no clothes. Some charities try to help. When I left Eritrea, I didn’t know anything about England or Germany or even where they were. Some people try to get asylum in France but are rejected. “It is very good to be in the UK but it is not like heaven. I have come here to work. We are safe here. I have justice and freedom, but I miss my family, my wife and my land, and I hope to go back one day. More people know what is going on in Eritrea, and I have hope it will change.”


Dr Chefena Hailemariam is a former lecturer and lead researcher in Sociolinguistics in the English Department at the University of Asmara in Eritrea. He came to the UK seven years ago on a fellowship, and applied for refugee status after the political situation worsened in Eritrea and his university closed. He was granted asylum a month after applying. His wife and children joined him in Manchester three and a half years ago. “It has been difficult to rebuild my career here. Although I had some associations with a few UK higher education institutions, there is a lot of skilled manpower in the UK and my field is extremely competitive. Also, connections are important. I do a combination of interpretation work and consulting and I keep up with research in my area of study.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/calais-crisis-migrants-that-have-made-it-to-the-uk-reveal-how-britain-has-matched-their-expectations-10432865.html

so much for "they ha"ve friends and family ties here"

the frogs let em in...the frogs can keep em....

and if they come here send em to the scots as Nicko says.....

of course they dont settle them round london and the southeast....Oh no cant do that, might upset the tory heartlands

nope just cram even more into Birminghamistan and bradforistan.

and seriously.....howmany ISIS will we be letting in...remember these "refugees" generally have no paperwork and or paperwork can easily be forged....

Again you seek to deny the British being responsible Victor for where they themselves have helped create the situations in countries. So no, we do our bit and also help people. The reasons to deny them are born a from selfish belief to not help others from wanting to look after ourselves or a very poor racial reason to deny people help. Your appalling euphemism to describe both Birmingham and Bradford proves that you clearly fall into the later category.

You then use again what Tommy does a poor argument of fear where this might let in some ISIS members. Well you might as well stop all migration in or out because some may well be murderers. That is nothing short again of a poor fear fueled arguiment which is basically clubbing all migrants with the same brush. So you use reasons to deny real genuine assylum seekers off a case where somne are not and thus attempt to deny any genuine person seeking assylum.

Sorry mate I find that very poor to say the least. Again this country has helped shape many of the problems in the world through its actions and then it then wants to shy away from doing the right thing and help people. Again you were born into a safe and privalidged position based on geography and nothing else. That does not give you the right to deny others a better chance in life.

You cannot be in a safe country having escaped the claimed danger, AND be still using that excuse to enter another country illegally!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:You cannot be in a safe country having escaped the claimed danger, AND be still using that excuse to enter another country illegally!!!

Gobbldygook as already explained.
You are proposing a copout as a means to deny helping people and also trying to allow Britain a way out of a responsibility they have to help people

Dodge... if someone is drowning and is then pulled into a boat and no longer drowning then they cannot still claim TO be drowning as an excuse to jump into amother boat!!!





If they are already in a safe country then they are no longer in danger so no right to enter Here illegally and claim TO BE still fleeing danger!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge... if someone is drowning and is then pulled into a boat and no longer drowning then they cannot still claim TO be drowning as an excuse to jump into amother boat!!!





If they are already in a safe country then they are no longer in danger so no right to enter Here illegally and claim TO BE still fleeing danger!!!

And we are back to tommy acting like a 2 year old.
Being pulled back into a boat in stormy conditions is not a guarantee they will not fall in again and drown.
Its so easy for me to pick flaws into your limited and very low intelliegnce offered to formulate a view point.
So your argument has just fallen apart. So conditions in a nation is going to play a part on where someone seeks assylum.
To claim someone is no longer in danger when in a safer country is also wrong and it comes from a very naive belief you have.

Stop talking rubbish dodge!!!


Those in calais are in a safe country, no longer in danger and no right to Dover here claiming otherwise.