migrant crisis

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Watch the tory tough on immigration rhetoric dissolve and see them let in thousands of migrants


now that "the problem" is starting to bite their financial buddies pockets



Calais Migrant Crisis: Firms Count The Cost

Companies are reporting millions of pounds in losses due to delays on the M20 and the cost of writing-off stock.




Business groups are warning that the Calais migrant crisis is "a threat to the long-term viability" of British companies - as firms begin to count the cost of delays to travel through the Channel Tunnel.

It costs £1 a minute to run an HGV (heavy goods vehicle), so when Operation Stack is enforced on Kent's roads - with waiting times often in excess of six hours - it can cost hundreds of pounds for companies trying to export to mainland Europe.

Operation Stack involves parking - or stacking - up to 5,000 lorries on the M20 when Eurotunnel or Dover ferry services are disrupted.

It was first introduced in 1996, but in June and July of this year it has been used to unprecedented levels due to the migrant crisis, with the M20 closed for 24 out of 40 days.

But there are also challenges when returning to the UK from Calais, not least when migrants manage to break into lorries.
Video: Fire Blocks Road To Calais Port


According to the Freight Transport Association (FTA), one major distributor of pharmaceuticals carrying drugs bound for NHS hospitals had to write off stock of £2.5m after such a break-in, because it posed a major safety risk.

The security lapses also cause a headache for other industries, especially those where perishable goods are at stake.

Figures from the Fresh Produce Consortium suggest at least £10m worth of food destined for Britain had to be binned between January and June, because stowaways had posed a "contamination risk".


The Road Haulage Association estimates that 90% of all road freight between the UK and the continent uses Kent's road network, with as many as 10,000 loads moving across the Channel on a daily basis.

Even if just 1% of the stock is tampered with, at an average loss rate of £30,000 per trailer this amounts to a loss of £3m a day, or £1bn a year.

The FTA believes importers and hauliers have been left "carrying the can" because of the migrant crisis.

Some insurance companies are declining to cover the cost of written-off stock, invoking clauses which state that acts of civil disorder are not covered in the policies of affected businesses.
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Jo James, chief executive of Kent Invicta Chamber of Commerce, told Sky News: "Kent has been plagued with the effects of Operation Stack for over 20 years now - and every time it has been introduced, the result is the M20 is turned into a huge lorry park.

"At last, the Government has woken up to the fact that this is a national problem and a solution needs to be found.

"The loss to the local economy is significant, as businesses are unable to deliver goods and services.

"This is unacceptable and a threat to the long-term viability of some businesses."


Eurotunnel has also accused public authorities of "underestimating the migrant situation".

Last week, the company revealed it has spent €13m (£9m) on security measures in the first half of 2015 alone - and called on the French and British governments to reimburse them.

Ministers are now working with officials in Kent to find space to park lorries and ease congestion on the M20.

With the warnings that continued delays will be unsustainable for small businesses - and the prospect that higher costs will eventually be passed on to consumers - the pressure is on to resolve the crisis sooner rather than later.



http://news.sky.com/story/1528497/calais-migrant-crisis-firms-count-the-cost

wont be long before we see operation surrender monkey

Taking about calais dodge... all black and mostly Muslim!!!

I would also add, I do not care what skin colour they have if they are genuinely fleeing from persecution. It should never even come into the equation but only does for those who are small minded racists like yourself Tommy who think wrongly they are all criminals just because of thieir skin colour.

Let's be clear. Those in Calais are NOT asylum seekers they are economic migrants. The point that Tommy has been making is entirely correct, asylum should be sought in the first safe country. They want to come here because they know we won't deport them. They destroy their passports so they can't be repatriated.

Nems wrote:Let's be clear. Those in Calais are NOT asylum seekers they are economic migrants. The point that Tommy has been making is entirely correct, asylum should be sought in the first safe country. They want to come here because they know we won't deport them. They destroy their passports so they can't be repatriated.

Lets be clear they are assylum seekers.
The point Tommy makes is wrong.
How do asylum seekers get to claim asylum in Germany Nems, when most come via boats from Southern Europe?
Oh dear did that not register in your brain capacity?
The view they chould claim in the first country is where you based your error on.

Take your time over why people like you are so poor in your view to help others based on geography

I wonder.....


If we had a system whereby everyone could freely and without fear register their support or otherwise for these migrants

WITH THE CAVEAT that if you voted in favour YOU would become responsible for a family of them...i.e YOU would have to house them and feed them at YOUR expense

how many of the librerallists would suddenly dissapear into the wood work

how many would suddenly shut up and stop telling us how "wondrful it is" and gow it is "out duty" to do so....


the silence would be golden

victorismyhero wrote:I wonder.....


If we had a system whereby everyone could freely and without fear register their support or otherwise for these migrants

WITH THE CAVEAT that if you voted in favour YOU would become responsible for a family of them...i.e YOU would have to house them and feed them at YOUR expense

how many of the librerallists would suddenly dissapear into the wood work

how many would suddenly shut up and stop telling us how "wondrful it is" and gow it is "out duty" to do so....


the silence would be golden

The reasoning gets worse by the minute
Why not apply that reasoning to homelessness?
You know these same Brits who claim to want to help Brits first and not migrants by doing fuck all to help them.
Sorry Victor that view point is lame when the ones who moan the most already do next to nothing to help the homeless
You come to the conclusion as if you should have control over who gets a chnace of a new life here yet again based on geography.
Why are people so utterly hateful to help others born from a daft view of an invented concept of nationalities.
They are human just like you and the only reason you are privilidged is based on being born to a geographical location.

So is your view to help humans, but conditional on whether their skin colour matchers yours?

Night Victor, too annoyed to stay online after the shite nems came out with.
Cannot believe some idiots to be honest.
My apologies for being harsh.

Night

notghing to do with skin colour didge, in fact that is totally irrelevant

you mentioned the ukranians earlier....

would I /do I approve of them flooding in....no...even less so perhaps since they are not in the same position as the african refugees

At a time when the economy is in "trouble" and people are all busily hating the sick and disabled and unwaged in accordance with their puppet masters in govt and press the to consider acting as "santa clause to the every race" as the song said perhaps we should be looking after our own...

At a time when hate crime against the disabled is rising due to govt propaganda, is it reasonable to open doors to an incalculable number of door knockers?

If we cant (as a nation ) have concern for our OWN why should I be expected to favour those who have no roots here?

They ARE in calais...in a SAFE COUNTRY!!!

Nems wrote:Let's be clear. Those in Calais are NOT asylum seekers they are economic migrants. The point that Tommy has been making is entirely correct, asylum should be sought in the first safe country. They want to come here because they know we won't deport them. They destroy their passports so they can't be repatriated.

All true and thank you.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:All of these people in calais are in a SAFE COUNTRY and have passed through many other safe countries to get to calais!!!


Some of them may well have originalm been fleeing persecution or A dangerous war zone etc... but they are not now so have no basis for any right to entry into UK or any subsequent genuine asylum claim!!!


Why aren't these people being arrested and prosecuted when breaking into the Chanel tunnel compound!?


If I cut through the fences UK side and started running about then I would quickly be arrested and packed off to local nick facing all sorts of trouble!!!


Why are these illegal immigrants being allowed to roam free after doing it!?

These are valid points and questions

Valid?
There are the views of someone who is hateful, this was evident by his reason on him being wrong to think they were all African and black.
Behave Eddie, you are just as bad with your reasons that you do not want people here because you also have a poor view of ethnic groups.
Tommy never had any valid p;oints, he has hateful points, you need to understand the difference.
We hardly take in any asylum seekers and we have helped created many problems in countries, we thus have a responsibility to help people
There is nothing valid in what Tommy says, its formed from racial hate and do not even claim otheriwse

Erm no?
He had some valid questions?

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Valid?
There are the views of someone who is hateful, this was evident by his reason on him being wrong to think they were all African and black.
Behave Eddie, you are just as bad with your reasons that you do not want people here because you also have a poor view of ethnic groups.
Tommy never had any valid p;oints, he has hateful points, you need to understand the difference.
We hardly take in any asylum seekers and we have helped created many problems in countries, we thus have a responsibility to help people
There is nothing valid in what Tommy says, its formed from racial hate and do not even claim otheriwse

Erm no?
He had some valid questions?

He has no valid questions as seen, they are based on raicla hate, you need to learn the difference.
A person does not need to seek asylum in the first country, if they did they would nearly all have to claim in Greece and Italy

victorismyhero wrote:notghing to do with skin colour didge, in fact that is totally irrelevant

you mentioned the ukranians earlier....

would I /do I approve of them flooding in....no...even less so perhaps since they are not in the same position as the african refugees

At a time when the economy is in "trouble" and people are all busily hating the sick and disabled and unwaged in accordance with their puppet masters in govt and press the to consider acting as "santa clause to the every race" as the song said perhaps we should be looking after our own...

At a time when hate crime against the disabled is rising due to govt propaganda, is it reasonable to open doors to an incalculable number of door knockers?

If we cant (as a nation ) have concern for our OWN why should I be expected to favour those who have no roots here?

If the problem is benefits then that is wrong and is  not a reason to deny othjers help.
Poor argument

If a person is in a SAFE COUNTRY then THEY ARE NO LONGER IN DANGER!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:If a person is in a SAFE COUNTRY then THEY ARE NO LONGER IN DANGER!!!

Oh dear caplocks again from the 2 year old.
If they are returned then how in anyway where they safe in that country?
Take your time dummy.
Until they have been granted asylum they are never safe

THEY ARE IN A SAFE COUNTRY AND SHOULD STOP BREAKING THE LAW AND CLAIM ASYLUM IF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING THERE!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:THEY ARE IN A SAFE COUNTRY AND SHOULD STOP BREAKING THE LAW AND CLAIM ASYLUM IF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING THERE!!!

Oh dear caplocks again from the 2 year old.
If they are returned then how in anyway where they safe in that country?
Take your time dummy.
Until they have been granted asylum they are never safe

If they are Not granted asylum then they don't deserve to be given it... they are illegal immigrants and criminals.

Tommy Monk wrote:If they are Not granted asylum then they don't deserve to be given it... they are illegal immigrants and criminals.

The application process is different in each country, so that does not mean anything.
Again people have been sent back to their deaths.
So to say they are safe is like I said wrong until they have been "granted" asylum.
Remeber your point is once they are in a safe country, but its being able to stay in a safe country.

So again your point is utterly moot

Those at calais don't even try... and If they have tried and been refused then EU

Tommy Monk wrote:Those at calais don't even try... and If they have tried and been refused then EU

Hearsay

Those at calais don't even try... and If they have tried and been refused then even less legitimacy of their 'claims'...

• Tommy Monk
  

Those at calais don't even try... and If they have tried and been refused then even less legitimacy of their 'claims'...

Hearsay

The answer

victorismyhero wrote:The answer

Cuchulain wrote:

• Tommy Monk
  

Those at calais don't even try... and If they have tried and been refused then even less legitimacy of their 'claims'...

Hearsay

What do you mean...'hearsay'!?


Those at calais are in a safe country and have travelled through many other safe countries to get there... this is undeniable...!


Either they have put in asylum claims in safe countries or they haven't!!!


Those who have... either have been accepted in A safe country already so shouldn't be at calais illegally, breaking into secure port compounds trying to illegally travel to UK... or they have been refused asylum claim on legitimate grounds by safe country on legitimate grounds, and shouldn't be at calais illegally, breaking into secure port compounds trying to illegally travel to The UK...!!!


Those who haven't registered an asylum claim in any of The safe countries they have travelled through, haven't claimed in France, and are now in calais causing all manner of trouble, are no more than criminals, liars and cheats, illegal immigrants and economic migrants.

How do you know your parents love you? For most of us the answer to that is pretty simple. A parent’s love is measured in the lengths they’ll go to keep their children safe and give the best possible chance in life. That’s what motivates the mums and dads who encourage their children to flee violence and suffering knowing they face horrific journeys across deserts, seas, borders and barbed wire fences – to reach safety. Not greed, not opportunism, but love.

As the political conversation about the situation in Calais takes a sour turn I can’t help thinking of a teenager I met in Sicily a few weeks ago. He had fled persecution and suffering in Eritrea only to be kidnapped and trafficked. He was held in the Sinai desert in Egypt for 11 months and tortured to extract more money from his family – the traffickers would phone so his mum could hear him screaming. Those traffickers knew the power of a mother’s love.

In the last week alone, we’ve heard of a 16-year-old boy electrocuted trying to get on the Eurostar, another teenage boy found dead in a lorry and a young Eritrean woman who died on the road trying to reach Britain. We don’t know her story yet, but we can take an educated guess. Many of the women coming through Save the Children’s centres in Europe have been subjected to horrific sexual abuse and violence somewhere on their journey. Her parents may still be somewhere in Eritrea, waiting for her phone call to confirm she made it. The call won’t come.

These are just four cases, but they speak to a wider truth. Behind all the talk of ‘hoards’ and ‘floods’ are stories of individual men and women, boys and girls, every single last one of them somebody’s daughter or son. Of course there needs to be a system for managing migration. One that is tough but fair with economic migrants. But we are in danger of shutting our hearts to the desperation of the people pleading at the door, refugees not economic migrants.

Let’s remember that refugees escaping wars and persecution do have the legal right to international protection. Too often they are mixed up in the debate about economic migration. Many of these so-called migrants are refugees fleeing conflicts such as in Syria. They are not fleeing economics.

The irony of the situation is that those who adopt the harshest tone and say they are sticking up for Britain have forgotten the best of what Britain is. We have a proud history of offering sanctuary to refugees, whether they were running from Nazi persecution, the Vietnamese war or the conflict in the Balkans.

In a modern mirror to that proud tradition, Save the Children believes the UK government could take in at least 1,500 of the most vulnerable unaccompanied children currently adrift in Italy and Greece, a calculation that considers the UK’s GDP, population, existing numbers of refugees and asylum seekers and unemployment rates. This would not be the first time a country has made special arrangements, outside normal immigration channels, for unaccompanied children. The “lost boys” of Sudan were children who were separated from their families or orphaned during the Sudanese civil war. Approximately 3,800 of the 20,000 lost boys were resettled in the US, with 500 of the younger children being placed in foster care. They have grown up to be doctors, lawyers and sports stars and their success should offer perspective and hope.

The danger of the other proposed approach – fixing Calais alone – is that it deals with a tiny part of the problem. We need a much more comprehensive response, particularly in relation to the 4 million Syrian refugees. Britain has a scheme to resettle the most vulnerable families but has so far only accepted fewer than 200 people. Save the Children believes we should be accepting thousands. To put that in perspective, Lebanon has taken in 1 million Syrian refugees, who now make up a third of its population. Germany has offered sanctuary to 30,000 Syrians. Most Syrians that Save the Children speak to are heading to Sweden or Denmark, where they know they will be granted asylum much more easily without risking death at their borders.

The UK government is very generous in aid and should be proud of rescuing thousands of people from drowning in the Mediterranean this summer. David Cameron deserves real praise. But we can do more to help and should focus in particular on children, who are amongst the most vulnerable. Until legal avenues are in place for those with the right to protection, desperate people will face untold dangers attempting to reach the UK. That they want to come here should be a source of national pride. That many will die in the attempt should be a source of burning shame.

• Justin Forsyth is chief executive of Save the Children.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/02/calais-migrants-stories-speak-to-wider-truth-justin-forsyth-save-the-children

Every one of those people is a human being who has gone through immense suffering. The attitude of other countries put us to shame.

"...As the political conversation about the situation in Calais takes a sour turn I can’t help thinking of a teenager I met in Sicily a few weeks ago. He had fled persecution and suffering in Eritrea only to be kidnapped and trafficked. He was held in the Sinai desert in Egypt for 11 months and tortured to extract more money from his family – the traffickers would phone so his mum could hear him screaming. Those traffickers knew the power of a mother’s love...."



What a load of waffle!!!


Fleeing a home of desperation but THEN the mother has plenty of money available too...!?



African union problem... for them to sort out!!!

You are truly disgusting. Money is not the problem, terror and abuse is. I truly hope you get just a taste of it one day, that would be Karma.

The problem in Eritrea is Islam!!!


Why would you wish terror and abuse on me...???


Why would that be karma...???


I don't terrorise or abuse anyone and I despise those who do!!!


All I am saying is that there is a big world out there... Africa is a huge continent... Africa has many safe countries and plenty of space... they have their 'African union' political establishment to work together to sort out African problems!!!


And this is an African problem for them to sort out!!!


Why don't you tell me how it isn't their problem and why they shouldn't be expected to sort it out themselves...!!!??



They are capable of sorting out their own problems aren't they...???


You lefties are constantly telling us how much we are all the same and equal etc... but now it seems that you Are suggesting that the whole of African countries and people are unable or incapable of taking And looking after these 'migrants'... and can't be hospitable enough to take in their fellow African people in their time of need when fleeing such danger...!!!???







And dodge... seen a few more 'migrant' stories and footage tonight on news... all look pretty black and African to me...!!!

Ross Kemp on freeview channel 11 pick tv now... in calais!!!



Just started and already seen about 100 of them out there and ALL BLACK AFRICANS!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:The problem in Eritrea is Islam!!!


Why would you wish terror and abuse on me...???


Why would that be karma...???


I don't terrorise or abuse anyone and I despise those who do!!!


All I am saying is that there is a big world out there... Africa is a huge continent... Africa has many safe countries and plenty of space... they have their 'African union' political establishment to work together to sort out African problems!!!


And this is an African problem for them to sort out!!!


Why don't you tell me how it isn't their problem and why they shouldn't be expected to sort it out themselves...!!!??



They are capable of sorting out their own problems aren't they...???


You lefties are constantly telling us how much we are all the same and equal etc... but now it seems that you Are suggesting that the whole of African countries and people are unable or incapable of taking And looking after these 'migrants'... and can't be hospitable enough to take in their fellow African people in their time of need when fleeing such danger...!!!???







And dodge... seen a few more 'migrant' stories and footage tonight on news... all look pretty black and African to me...!!!

Sassy?

Didge?


Kemp just said that the rules in EU are That any prospective asylum claimant must declare themselves and give fingerprints in first safe country they arrive at!!!

All should be returned to African union to deal with!!!

Still nothing from dodge or Sassy then...

Tommy, I won't be replying to anything about immigrants from you ever again. You spout the same racist drivel over and over again, and I am bored out of my skull with it and quite frankly, my hand itches to find my cast iron frying pan and wrap it round your head. So you carry on with your hatred and your cant and your vile racism, I don't have to be contaminated by it.

The thing is Sassy, people say there's a housing shortage here, so where would all these people live if they're allowed to stay here? There isn't enough social housing as it is, and a lot of people frown on buy-to-let rental accommodation. Won't landlords just raise rent even more because of the extra demand?

There is a housing shortage because we are not building enough affordable housing, and that is through lack of political will to do so. It's easily solved when we have a leader and a government that want to solve it. In fact by doing so, we would create so many jobs it would give a huge boost to the economy.

sassy wrote:Tommy, I won't be replying to anything about immigrants from you ever again.  You spout the same racist drivel over and over again, and I am bored out of my skull with it and quite frankly, my hand itches to find my cast iron frying pan and wrap it round your head.  So you carry on with your hatred and your cant and your vile racism, I don't have to be contaminated by it.

This coming from the poster who classes all Israeli's as evil.
Hilarious hypocrtical racism if I ever saw it.
People are bored with your hate and hypocrisy.

sassy wrote:There is a housing shortage because we are not building enough affordable housing, and that is through lack of political will to do so.  It's easily solved when we have a leader and a government that want to solve it.   In fact by doing so, we would create so many jobs it would give a huge boost to the economy.

That's not going to happen overnight though, so what happens in the meantime?

For a start we could cap rents, take back buildings that that developers have bought and then left for years to rot, hoping to make a huge profit with rising prices, turn them into affordable housing. Loads we could do, but there has to be the political will to do it. And this government would rather see people at each other's throats, infighting, instead of standing up to the injustices.

sassy wrote:For a start we could cap rents, take back buildings that that developers have bought and then left for years to rot, hoping to make a huge profit with rising prices, turn them into affordable housing.  Loads we could do, but there has to be the political will to do it.  And this government would rather see people at each other's throats, infighting, instead of standing up to the injustices.

They'd have to buy the property off the developers, and if they didn't want to sell, it could ages to go through the courts.

I'm all for capping rents, but if you do it too quickly, loads of people will left in a situation where their mortgage is more than the rent they can get.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:For a start we could cap rents, take back buildings that that developers have bought and then left for years to rot, hoping to make a huge profit with rising prices, turn them into affordable housing.  Loads we could do, but there has to be the political will to do it.  And this government would rather see people at each other's throats, infighting, instead of standing up to the injustices.

They'd have to buy the property off the developers, and if they didn't want to sell, it could ages to go through the courts.

I'm all for capping rents, but if you do it too quickly, loads of people will left in a situation where their mortgage is more than the rent they can get.

Compulsary purchase if they have had it more than 5 years.

Interest rates have been at an all time low, rents at an all time high, so I very much doubt that, plus it would not effect people who own their own homes. But for rent have been getting away with murder for years now.

Sassy... you have not answered any of my points... you think you can just dismiss any legitimate points against mass immigration and illegal immigration as 'racism'...!?


You Are a joke!!!

Still no answers for why African illegal immigrants can't be returned to African union to sort out...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:Still no answers for why African illegal immigrants can't be returned to African union to sort out...!?

Well have you found an African nation  that provides as good a chance as the UK for as good a chance as you have received in life?

Still no answer as to Why the African uniont should not be looking after Africans...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Still no answer as to Why the African uniont should not be looking after Africans...

I think the idea is that everyone from Africa should be invited to live here ...

I think that the African union should be dealing with their own people... we and other European nations should be sending illegal immigrants from Africa to African union centers for them to process and find safe places for them within their continent.

Tommy Monk wrote:I think that the African union should be dealing with their own people... we and other European nations should be sending illegal immigrants from Africa to African union centers for them to process and find safe places for them within their continent.

Well maybe if we and other European nations stopped intefering in their affairs by trying to bomb them into democracy or the years spent controlling their affairs and their economies as well as propping up who we think should be in control and who shouldn't then perhaps the flood of immigrants wouldn't be as many as it is.
The common people in these countries think we are on their side but they get a shock when they try to get here and and find out that we are but not to the extent of letting them in.

We have millions of legal immigrants already and still take too many every year.