South Carolina church shooting: Nine killed in Charleston

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Nine people have died in a shooting at a historic African-American church in Charleston in the US state of South Carolina, officials say.
City police chief Gregory Mullen said eight of the victims were killed inside the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church on Thursday evening, while another person died shortly afterwards.
Police are now searching for a white male suspect in his 20s.
"I do believe it was a hate crime," Mr Mullen said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33179019

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


I wonder how many personalities bother you.
That is the really interesting part psychologically.
So it bothers you,. So again you need to understand why, and why you allow it to bother you.
You do not now how to problem solve do you Rags?

I know how to solve the problem of you. Sadly, Ben doesn't agree.

Yes i know what that view would be which proves you cannot problem solve.
You try to push the problem away and not deal with the problem directly.
Why you yourself are bothered, when there is no need to be,
You fall at the first hurdle, you fail to recognise your own problems.

See, this is why you have such a problem in the US. The more you say that black people are victims, the more they'll feel like victims. Either that, or they'll be pissed off with your patronising attitude.

Ben, you see this is what I was talking about the other day. I really don't know what to do about this buffoon. Should I stick him on ignore? Should I leave? Should I tell him to eff off? Whatever I say, he just comes back with the same garbage.

Does everyone see how Rags has attempted to unconvincingly turn the debate away from the topic when she has no valid answers?


This is what I was telling you about Eddie.

You have just seen it played in motion.

As seen its very easy to spot when you see it happen.

Rags has now managed to turn any point away from the discussion and between each of us.


That is how you allow a person to do, knowing they will do it.

Night all

In fact, I think that Didge is patronising towards women as well as towards black people. He doesn't think they have minds of their own.

Cuchulain wrote:Does everyone see how Rags has attempted to unconvincingly turn the debate away from the topic when she has no valid answers?


This is what I was telling you about Eddie.

You have just seen it played in motion.

As seen its very easy to sport when you see it happen.

Rags has now managed to turn any point away from the discussion and between each of us.


That is how you allow a person to do, knowing they will do it.

Night all

You are the one who started with the "failure" nonsense. Stop behaving like a prat the whole time you're on here.

Raggamuffin wrote:In fact, I think that Didge is patronising towards women as well as towards black people. He doesn't think they have minds of their own.

And she concedes by the above.

Thanks Rags.

Night

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:In fact, I think that Didge is patronising towards women as well as towards black people. He doesn't think they have minds of their own.

And she concedes by the above.

Thanks Rags.

Night

You'll be back in five minutes to post some more garbage.

Did anyone see a single offensive abuisve words from me tonight to Rags?

No?
Indeed.
How many did she do?
Again I easily allow people to make their own mistakes and contradictions.

Night all

Cuchulain wrote:Did anyone see a single offensive abuisve words from me tonight to Rags?

No?
Indeed.
How many did she do?
Again I easily allow people to make their own mistakes and contradictions.

Night all

It wasn't even five minutes - it wasn't even 30 seconds.

What a failure you are.

Every time Didge patronises me, he'll get the same response.

Raggamuffin wrote:Every time Didge patronises me, he'll get the same response.

You see failure to admit when they are wrong or do wrong.
I did say it would be easy for me.
She looks or a reason, when there is no reason to be abusive
There never is when ever I am abusive.

Sorry Rags, you helped prove my points.


Thanks and really am off to bed.

All the best and no hard feelings, but thanks again

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Every time Didge patronises me, he'll get the same response.

You see failure to admit when they are wrong or do wrong.
I did say it would be easy for me.
She looks or a reason, when there is no reason to be abusive
There never is when ever I am abusive.

Sorry Rags, you helped prove my points.


Thanks and really am off to bed.

All the best and no hard feelings, but thanks again

GAFY.

Raggamuffin wrote:See, this is why you have such a problem in the US. The more you say that black people are victims, the more they'll feel like victims. Either that, or they'll be pissed off with your patronising attitude.

They are born into a system that is biased against them in education, law enforcement and hiring. How are they not victims?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:See, this is why you have such a problem in the US. The more you say that black people are victims, the more they'll feel like victims. Either that, or they'll be pissed off with your patronising attitude.

They are born into a system that is biased against them in education, law enforcement and hiring. How are they not victims?

Whatever. I really can't be arsed any more.

Raggamuffin wrote:Ben, you see this is what I was talking about the other day. I really don't know what to do about this buffoon. Should I stick him on ignore? Should I leave? Should I tell him to eff off? Whatever I say, he just comes back with the same garbage.

stick him on ignore if you have too

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Ben, you see this is what I was talking about the other day. I really don't know what to do about this buffoon. Should I stick him on ignore? Should I leave? Should I tell him to eff off? Whatever I say, he just comes back with the same garbage.

stick him on ignore if you have too  

That will never help her.
I like Rags, I really do, she just needs to learn to recognise, like you do Veya
Its okay to be wrong, as i admit and can be wrong
What you have to ask is why some posters do fear it like you mate?

Cuchulain wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

stick him on ignore if you have too  

That will never help her.
I like Rags, I really do, she just needs to learn to recognise, like you do Veya
Its okay to be wrong, as i admit and can be wrong
What you have to ask is why some posters do fear it like you mate?

I'm not "wrong". It's a matter of opinion, and I'm tired of you constantly telling me I'm wrong just because I have a different opinion to you.

Now I'm going to ask you to please just leave me alone on this forum because your attitude is actually spoiling it for me.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Ben, you see this is what I was talking about the other day. I really don't know what to do about this buffoon. Should I stick him on ignore? Should I leave? Should I tell him to eff off? Whatever I say, he just comes back with the same garbage.

stick him on ignore if you have too  

Every other post on this forum is by him though.

Raggamuffin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

stick him on ignore if you have too  

Every other post on this forum is by him though.

Seriously, is that the issue?
How many posts I make?
How on earth do you allow so trivial things to bother you Rags?
There is no need to, you are better than that, so rise above


Anyway night

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Every other post on this forum is by him though.

Seriously, is that the issue?
How many posts I make?
How on earth do you allow so trivial things to bother you Rags?
There is no need to, you are better than that, so rise above


Anyway night

No, it's why putting you on ignore doesn't work.

Can't you just stop replying to my posts? I really do dislike the way you speak to me.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Seriously, is that the issue?
How many posts I make?
How on earth do you allow so trivial things to bother you Rags?
There is no need to, you are better than that, so rise above


Anyway night

No, it's why putting you on ignore doesn't work.

Can't you just stop replying to my posts? I really do dislike the way to speak to me.

Like I say, you are bad at problem solving.
Not your fault so I will help.
For the next week, I will not reply to you.
That is just a temp measure though.
You need to deal with why you allow yourself to be bothered.
You have no need to, I mean that sincerely
I have no ill will against any here. I never would.
So you have a week of freedom from me, my present to you

Night

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No, it's why putting you on ignore doesn't work.

Can't you just stop replying to my posts? I really do dislike the way to speak to me.

Like I say, you are bad at problem solving.
Not your fault so I will help.
For the next week, I will not reply to you.
That is just a temp measure though.
You need to deal with why you allow yourself to be bothered.
You have no need to, I mean that sincerely
I have no ill will against any here. I never would.
So you have a week of freedom from me, my present to you

Night

I don't have to deal with anything. You are the problem, not me.

If you won't stop, I will just have to leave.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Like I say, you are bad at problem solving.
Not your fault so I will help.
For the next week, I will not reply to you.
That is just a temp measure though.
You need to deal with why you allow yourself to be bothered.
You have no need to, I mean that sincerely
I have no ill will against any here. I never would.
So you have a week of freedom from me, my present to you

Night

I don't have to deal with anything. You are the problem, not me.

If you won't stop, I will just have to leave.

And what will that achieve Raggs ?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... unless lefties are around... then the only opinion that anyone is entitled to have is the one they tell you is 'allowed'...!!!


All in the name of 'equality' mind...!!!



Whereby their idea of 'equality' is one where everyone is only allowed to think the same pre approved dictated opinions that are set out by the Leftie thought police unit and where everyone must voice this opinion equally...



Everyone must be the same... all in the name of equality... except for those top level lefties who are allowed to be special and make the rules, because they are better than everyone else and they know best, and who are also allowed to not have to follow the rules they make for everyone else because their self appointed status makes them more equal than others and therefore superior...



Fascist/communist dictatorship anyone...!!!???

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I know how to solve the problem of you. Sadly, Ben doesn't agree.

Yes i know what that view would be which proves you cannot problem solve.
You try to push the problem  away and not deal with the problem directly.
Why you yourself are bothered, when there is no need to be,
You fall at the first hurdle, you fail to recognise your own problems.

I've just completed the last page and a half, and I must say you are right didge: Raggs has no problem-solving, nor analytical skills whatsoever.  Frankly, neither does eds, but she doesn't make such a big deal of it.  What I've just noticed is both are responding like mothers lecturing children.  Both are too quick to go to the personal, parenting type of criticism.  Raggs is not deflecting, she doesn't get it.  She resorts to a tactic of 'scolding', as one would a child.  She thinks the problem can be solved by correcting your table manners, not your ideas.  

Raggs, nobody cares about your personal comments...about themselves or anyone else.  You're not going to change anyone at this point.  In fact, if you want to change anyone's personal demeanor, I'd worry about yourself.  You seem to bring down a lot of grief on yourself, for a simple discussion forum.

This is a discussion site, where political and social topics are explored.  Even your theories of patronizing reveal an underlying predilection for social management...we may have a budding socialist in our midst...lol.  Seriously, you care much more about scolding, and much less about analyzing the themes and ideas.  That's not what a discussion site is all about.

I've just gone through about a page-and-a-half of supercilious, personal trash--not even about me, mind you--without hearing one cent's worth of worthy discussion on the topic. I'm goddam sick of it.  This isn't motherhood anonymous, fcs!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

That is the kind of statement that proves my point.  You are not debating for truth, but to win.  

And it shows.  You sacrifice intellectual growth in order not to appear to lose.  For example, you are intractable about the longitudinal history of racism in America, as if everything started just yesterday.  No less of an authority than the United States Supreme Court has recognized the importance of looking to history:



The Court has even set up a separate category of suspect classifications based upon the history of blacks in America:



There is too much to learn, and too little time in which to do it.

You can never prove me wrong because your thinking is lazy.  You see a story about a black person and a white person - or a non-black person. You automatically assume that the black person must be right - because they're black, and the white person must be wrong - because they're white. It's just lazy thinking. There's no attention to detail at all, just assumptions based on your prejudices. If the facts don't fit your theory, you just make some up.

You just can't live in the present - all your prejudice is based on history, and you simply can't move beyond that.

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.It is important for all of us to appreciate where we come from and how that history has really shaped us in ways that we might not understand.

Original Quill wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Yes i know what that view would be which proves you cannot problem solve.
You try to push the problem  away and not deal with the problem directly.
Why you yourself are bothered, when there is no need to be,
You fall at the first hurdle, you fail to recognise your own problems.

I've just completed the last page and a half, and I must say you are right didge: Raggs has no problem-solving, nor analytical skills whatsoever.  Frankly, neither does eds, but she doesn't make such a big deal of it.  What I've just noticed is both are responding like mothers lecturing children.  Both are too quick to go to the personal, parenting type of criticism.  Raggs is not deflecting, she doesn't get it.  She resorts to a tactic of 'scolding', as one would a child.  She thinks the problem can be solved by correcting your table manners, not your ideas.  

Raggs, nobody cares about your personal comments...about themselves or anyone else.  You're not going to change anyone at this point.  In fact, if you want to change anyone's personal demeanor, I'd worry about yourself.  You seem to bring down a lot of grief on yourself, for a simple discussion forum.

This is a discussion site, where political and social topics are explored.  Even your theories of patronizing reveal an underlying predilection for social management...we may have a budding socialist in our midst...lol.  Seriously, you care much more about scolding, and much less about analyzing the themes and ideas.  That's not what a discussion site is all about.

I've just gone through about a page-and-a-half of supercilious, personal trash--not even about me, mind you--without hearing one cent's worth of worthy discussion on the topic. I'm goddam sick of it.  This isn't motherhood anonymous, fcs!

You're the one who gets personal with me, then you cry when you get it back. You're sick of it? Then stop getting personal yourself.

You're the one who has no analytical skills. You just repeat the same old mantra time and time again. You probably read it on a website somewhere and thought it sounded impressive. It doesn't - it just shows you have no mind of your own and no original thoughts. I've addressed your "ideas" plenty of times, but you ignore that every time.

Quite frankly, it's a waste of time trying to debate with you really - it's like casting pearls before swine.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You can never prove me wrong because your thinking is lazy.  You see a story about a black person and a white person - or a non-black person. You automatically assume that the black person must be right - because they're black, and the white person must be wrong - because they're white. It's just lazy thinking. There's no attention to detail at all, just assumptions based on your prejudices. If the facts don't fit your theory, you just make some up.

You just can't live in the present - all your prejudice is based on history, and you simply can't move beyond that.

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.It is important for all of us to appreciate where we come from and how that history has really shaped us in ways that we might not understand.

Plenty of people remember the past and repeat it anyway. Even worse, they try to get revenge for what happened in the past.

Raggamuffin wrote:I have an acquaintance who's black. If I started saying to him that he's a victim and I feel sorry for him because someone somewhere who was the same colour as him was a slave at some point, he'd probably tell me to eff off.

He's a person, like you, and like me - he's not a "project", or a symbol of repression.

Grow up Didge.

God yes, it is a little patronising!!
If I send that to my black mates they'd say "Why are you saying sorry???"
They'd think I was nuts.
And also not very genuine.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I have an acquaintance who's black. If I started saying to him that he's a victim and I feel sorry for him because someone somewhere who was the same colour as him was a slave at some point, he'd probably tell me to eff off.

He's a person, like you, and like me - he's not a "project", or a symbol of repression.

Grow up Didge.

God yes, it is a little patronising!!
If I send that to my black mates they'd say "Why are you saying sorry???"
They'd think I was nuts.
And also not very genuine.

You still cannot grasp this Eddoe.
Its not so much about saying sorry even though people do say sorry daily for things they have not done as explained earlier but recognizing that this groupf of people id discriminated still because of past historical events.
So do you never say "Sorry to hear you are ill"?
It was merely Rags trying to deflect the argument badly.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

God yes, it is a little patronising!!
If I send that to my black mates they'd say "Why are you saying sorry???"
They'd think I was nuts.
And also not very genuine.

You still cannot grasp this Eddoe.
Its not so much about saying sorry even though people do say sorry daily for things they have not done as explained earlier but recognizing that this groupf of people id discriminated still because of past historical events.
So do you never say "Sorry to hear you are ill"?
It was merely Rags trying to deflect the argument badly.

Sod off Didge.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

You still cannot grasp this Eddoe.
Its not so much about saying sorry even though people do say sorry daily for things they have not done as explained earlier but recognizing that this groupf of people id discriminated still because of past historical events.
So do you never say "Sorry to hear you are ill"?
It was merely Rags trying to deflect the argument badly.

Sod off Didge.

Such an immature child
Sorry biut you know next to nothing aboutr social issues as easily seen.
Your issue is you do not like being educated it seems.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sod off Didge.

Such an immature child
Sorry biut you know next to nothing aboutr social issues as easily seen.
Your issue is you do not like being educated it seems.

Sod off Didge.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Such an immature child
Sorry biut you know next to nothing aboutr social issues as easily seen.
Your issue is you do not like being educated it seems.

Sod off Didge.

No, until you learn to grow up I shall continue to show up your poor views.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sod off Didge.

No, until you learn to grow up I shall continue to show up your poor views.

Sod off Didge.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

No, until you learn to grow up I shall continue to show up your poor views.

Sod off Didge.

Nope

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I have an acquaintance who's black. If I started saying to him that he's a victim and I feel sorry for him because someone somewhere who was the same colour as him was a slave at some point, he'd probably tell me to eff off.

He's a person, like you, and like me - he's not a "project", or a symbol of repression.

Grow up Didge.

God yes, it is a little patronising!!
If I send that to my black mates they'd say "Why are you saying sorry???"
They'd think I was nuts.
And also not very genuine.

Yes, and even if someone didn't say it, it might come across that they were thinking it. I think that's racist because it's treating people as if they can't stand up for themselves and they're not individuals.

History repeats itself.

what a load of rubbish the confederate flag has nothing to do with the trouble..

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:what a load of rubbish the confederate flag has nothing to do with the trouble..

I disagree, but no matter. Once it is dumped we can get on to real change in the south.

Original Quill wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:what a load of rubbish the confederate flag has nothing to do with the trouble..

I disagree, but no matter.  Once it is dumped we can get on to real change in the south.

yeah i'm sure dropping the confederate flag will be the end of all your problems...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I disagree, but no matter.  Once it is dumped we can get on to real change in the south.

yeah i'm sure dropping the confederate flag will be the end of all your problems...

Not by a long shot. But get it behind us and in the trash, and we can begin working on those problems. Little by little we'll bring the south into the civilized world.

Original Quill wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

yeah i'm sure dropping the confederate flag will be the end of all your problems...

Not by a long shot.  But get it behind us and in the trash, and we can begin working on those problems.  Little by little we'll bring the south into the civilized world.

what will happen to the civil war re enactors and the history books, will they pretend none of that happened too...

the damned uncivilised southerners how dare they have freedom of thought..

let's face it if the americans can take the whole country from it's rightful owners , slaughtering them as they go a few southern scum shouldn't put up much of a struggle...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Not by a long shot.  But get it behind us and in the trash, and we can begin working on those problems.  Little by little we'll bring the south into the civilized world.

what will happen to the civil war re enactors and the history books, will they pretend none of that happened too...

No, Civil War reenactments will become a monument to overcoming evil.  The same reason they keep Auschwitz open.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:the damned uncivilised southerners how dare they have freedom of thought..

Haha...and Hitler too.  What arrogance, eh?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:let's face it if the americans can take the whole country from it's rightful owners , slaughtering them as they go a few southern scum shouldn't put up much of a struggle...

Are you talking about the "rightful" owners of slaves?  That's ane end of ane auld sang.  The south is crumbling, little-by-little. The left is winning...and it is good.

will the re enactors be allowed to use the confederate flags, will the history books omit the confederate flag..

no i was talking about the native indians who were slaughtered, you know the native americans, not the murders who control it now..

democracy didn't work for indians, blacks and now southerners, america learns very slowly it seems...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:will the re enactors be allowed to use the confederate flags, will the history books omit the confederate flag..

Naw...it will be a plain white flag, hereafter.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:no i  was talking about the native indians who were slaughtered, you know the native americans, not the murders who control it now..

Those are Republicans.  They are still holding up the Immigration Act.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:democracy didn't work for indians, blacks and now southerners, america learns very slowly it seems...

Arduously.

Rebublicans murdered the native Americans?

Raggamuffin wrote:Rebublicans murdered the native Americans?

Still are. Are you following the Immigration Bill?