Did Jim Bob Duggar admit that fundamentalist families have a sibling molestation problem?

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ost in the many revelations and and explanations in the Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar interview with Fox’s Megyn Kelly was a bombshell comment made by Jim Bob Duggar stating that parents they spoke with had experienced “similar situations” within their own families. As the Duggars explained why they didn’t seek professional help for teenaged son Josh after he admitted to molesting five young girls – four of them his sisters, including one who was reportedly only 5 at the time — they said they reached out to their church and friends for advice. That was when Jim Bob offhandedly mentioned the feedback he received from other parents –presumably from within their inner circle — as they attempted to keep the potential scandal under wraps.

“It was a very difficult situation,” Jim Bob explained. “But as we talked to other parents and different ones since then, a lot of families have said that they have had similar things that happened in their families.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/did-jim-bob-duggar-admit-that-fundamentalist-families-have-a-sibling-molestation-problem/

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

If any parent does not go to the Police about their own child being involved in such abuse, they should also be arrested to for trying to cover up a crime.

Well at least you having mentioned "fundamentalist families" this time, so well done for that.

Do you not think it would be difficult for a parent to grass their own kid up to the police? They may well think they can manage the situation themselves, which is what the Duggars tried to do. I don't think that's particularly dreadful - I think it's natural.

Well I would consider them not very good parents if they are side with the abuser by covering this up and not the one who is the victim.
What message of love does the parents give to their own child who is a victim?
That is the issue here, people thinking they can manage a situatiion where their own child has been abused and is basically allowing the offender to get away with a criminal offense.
That is wrong on any level.
lol you were the one who did not even understand what fundamnetalist was.
Keep up eh

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well at least you having mentioned "fundamentalist families" this time, so well done for that.

Do you not think it would be difficult for a parent to grass their own kid up to the police? They may well think they can manage the situation themselves, which is what the Duggars tried to do. I don't think that's particularly dreadful - I think it's natural.

Well I would consider them not very good parents if they are side with the abuser by covering this up and not the one who is the victim.
What message of love does the parents give to their own child who is a victim?
That is the issue here, people thinking they can manage a situatiion where a child has been abused and is basically allow the offender to get away with a criminal offense.
That is wrong on any level.
lol you were the one who did not even understand what fundamnetalist was.
Keep up eh

They didn't side with him, did they? They tried to deal with it themselves. It's not like they just ignored it, or said - go ahead son.

Calling it a "cover up" is a bit simplistic. They weren't dealing with a random person who abused one of their kids, they were dealing with their own son.

Of course I understand what a fundamentalist is - the point is that you were focusing too much on that and not the issue in general.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:



Well I would consider them not very good parents if they are side with the abuser by covering this up and not the one who is the victim.
What message of love does the parents give to their own child who is a victim?
That is the issue here, people thinking they can manage a situatiion where a child has been abused and is basically allow the offender to get away with a criminal offense.
That is wrong on any level.
lol you were the one who did not even understand what fundamnetalist was.
Keep up eh

They didn't side with him, did they? They tried to deal with it themselves. It's not like they just ignored it, or said - go ahead son.

Calling it a "cover up" is a bit simplistic. They weren't dealing with a random person who abused one of their kids, they were dealing with their own son.

Of course I understand what a fundamentalist is - the point is that you were focusing too much on that and not the issue in general.

OMG you claim they did not side with him, yet they clearly did side with him, by keeping it secret and from the law thus making their daughters who were victims of lesser worth. See this is the stupid Christian mentality you live by, which is fuck the daughters, lets help the poor lad who abused them. He committed a crime, sexual abuse to minors as young as 5 for goodness sake.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They didn't side with him, did they? They tried to deal with it themselves. It's not like they just ignored it, or said - go ahead son.

Calling it a "cover up" is a bit simplistic. They weren't dealing with a random person who abused one of their kids, they were dealing with their own son.

Of course I understand what a fundamentalist is - the point is that you were focusing too much on that and not the issue in general.

OMG you claim they did not side with him, yet they clearly did side with him, by keeping it secret and from the law thus making their daughters who were victims of lesser worth. See this is the stupid Christian mentality you live by, which is fuck the daughtersw, lets help the poor lad who abused them. He committed a crime, sexual abuse to minors as young as 5 for goodness sake.

Well all that just shows that you have understanding of the issue at all. Perhaps you should read the comments made by his sisters.

Once again, you are using my faith as a stick to beat me with. That's because that's all you can do.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

OMG you claim they did not side with him, yet they clearly did side with him, by keeping it secret and from the law thus making their daughters who were victims of lesser worth. See this is the stupid Christian mentality you live by, which is fuck the daughtersw, lets help the poor lad who abused them. He committed a crime, sexual abuse to minors as young as 5 for goodness sake.

Well all that just shows that you have understanding of the issue at all. Perhaps you should read the comments made by his sisters.

Once again, you are using my faith as a stick to beat me with. That's because that's all you can do.

You mean where they made also poor excuses for him?
yeah we know they are brainwashed with religious drivel as well hence my point on the religious aspect.
You are nothing as what I would descrie as christian.
The most important aspect you lack is love.
You can of course prove me wrong but all i see from you is the opposite.
I repsect many christians, I certainly do not class you as one.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well all that just shows that you have understanding of the issue at all. Perhaps you should read the comments made by his sisters.

Once again, you are using my faith as a stick to beat me with. That's because that's all you can do.

You mean where they made also poor excuses for him?
yeah we know they are brainwashed with religious drivel as well hence my point on the religious aspect.
You are nothing as what I would descrie as christian.
The most important aspect you lack is love.
You can of course prove me wrong but all i see from you is the opposite.
I repsect many christians, I certainly do not class you as one.

It's nothing to do with religion, it's to do with having to choose between two of one's offspring.

More abuse I see. Your blood pressure must be through the roof today.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

You mean where they made also poor excuses for him?
yeah we know they are brainwashed with religious drivel as well hence my point on the religious aspect.
You are nothing as what I would descrie as christian.
The most important aspect you lack is love.
You can of course prove me wrong but all i see from you is the opposite.
I repsect many christians, I certainly do not class you as one.

It's nothing to do with religion, it's to do with having to choose between two of one's offspring.

More abuse I see. Your blood pressure must be through the roof today.

It has everything to do with their religion in how they tried to cover it up.
They sought advice from others within their religious circle.
My blood pressure is find where again you seem to think you are a medical expert.
You have brought about an end to nicities beteen us both, so you only have yourself to blame for that and may learn in the future what you bring about yourself.
Lesson learnt, I very much doubt it

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's nothing to do with religion, it's to do with having to choose between two of one's offspring.

More abuse I see. Your blood pressure must be through the roof today.

It has everything to do with their religion in how they tried to cover it up.
They sought advice from others within their religious circle.
My blood pressure is find where again you seem to think you are a medical expert.
You have brought about an end to nicities beteen us both, so you only have yourself to blame for that and may learn in the future what you bring about yourself.
Lesson learnt, I very much doubt it

I don't agree. I think a lot of parents would try to deal with it themselves first.

I didn't know there were any niceties between us - I've thought for a long time that you're an unpleasant character.

However, if you mean that you're going to chase me around the board abusing me just because I don't pander to you in this thread, feel free - I'm not exactly a shrinking violet, so you won't succeed in making me cry.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

It has everything to do with their religion in how they tried to cover it up.
They sought advice from others within their religious circle.
My blood pressure is find where again you seem to think you are a medical expert.
You have brought about an end to nicities beteen us both, so you only have yourself to blame for that and may learn in the future what you bring about yourself.
Lesson learnt, I very much doubt it

I don't agree. I think a lot of parents would try to deal with it themselves first.

I didn't know there were any niceties between us - I've thought for a long time that you're an unpleasant character.

However, if you mean that you're going to chase me around the board abusing me just because I don't pander to you in this thread, feel free - I'm not exactly a shrinking violet, so you won't succeed in making me cry.

1) Assumption, and again it does not make the parents decision the right one, being as they are not experts to deal with child abuse.

2) I think you are nothing more than a bitter twisted hateful person who is only here to cause disruption

3) Not going to chase you anywhere, am only going to expose you where like here you try to derail a thread or bring up my name.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't agree. I think a lot of parents would try to deal with it themselves first.

I didn't know there were any niceties between us - I've thought for a long time that you're an unpleasant character.

However, if you mean that you're going to chase me around the board abusing me just because I don't pander to you in this thread, feel free - I'm not exactly a shrinking violet, so you won't succeed in making me cry.

1) Assumption, and again it does not make the parents decision the right one, being as they are not experts to deal with child abuse.

2) I think you are nothing more than a bitter twisted hateful person who is only here to cause disruption

3) Not going to chase you anywhere, am only going to expose you where like here you try to derail a thread or bring up my name.

Common sense more like.

At least I'm not a serial flouncer like you. You delete your accounts when you know you've been too abusive whilst blaming everyone else, and then come back and deny that you're Didge.

I suppose it's better than you exposing yourself - the very thought.

*shudders*

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:



1) Assumption, and again it does not make the parents decision the right one, being as they are not experts to deal with child abuse.

2) I think you are nothing more than a bitter twisted hateful person who is only here to cause disruption

3) Not going to chase you anywhere, am only going to expose you where like here you try to derail a thread or bring up my name.

Common sense more like.

At least I'm not a serial flouncer like you. You delete your accounts when you know you've been too abusive whilst blaming everyone else, and then come back and deny that you're Didge.

I suppose it's better than you exposing yourself - the very thought.

*shudders

You just keep chasing your own tail

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Common sense more like.

At least I'm not a serial flouncer like you. You delete your accounts when you know you've been too abusive whilst blaming everyone else, and then come back and deny that you're Didge.

I suppose it's better than you exposing yourself - the very thought.

*shudders

You just keep chasing your own tail

You keep chasing your own brain - if you can find it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

You just keep chasing your own tail

You keep chasing your own brain - if you can find it.

Are you dizzy yet?

Interesting here that when he ran for office back in 2002, Duggar had this to say about what to do with people who commit incest:

Q. What is your abortion position, and specifically, where do you stand on rape, incest, and threat to the mother’s health?

A. If a woman is raped, the rapist should be executed instead of the innocent unborn baby. Adoption is an option. Many couples would love to adopt and are waiting for a baby. Abortion has been and always will be the destruction of an innocent child. Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes. The developing infant committed no crime and should be allowed to live. In the unlikely event that the life of both mother and baby would both be lost (for example, a tubal pregnancy) all should be done to save the life of the mother.

http://reverbpress.com/news/jim-bob-duggar-supported-killing-people-commit-incest/

What I'd like to know is, what has Duggar done with all this information he's gotten from other Christian families about the incest they've experienced? If somebody came to me and said one of their children had molested another of their children, wouldn't I be morally and legally obliged to inform the police?

In his case, he claims that there is no law in Arkansas by which a parent is obligated to inform the police of such a sex crime.

As to the other cases, good point if they are within the statute of limitations.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Interesting here that when he ran for office back in 2002, Duggar had this to say about what to do with people who commit incest:

Q. What is your abortion position, and specifically, where do you stand on rape, incest, and threat to the mother’s health?

A. If a woman is raped, the rapist should be executed instead of the innocent unborn baby. Adoption is an option. Many couples would love to adopt and are waiting for a baby. Abortion has been and always will be the destruction of an innocent child. Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes. The developing infant committed no crime and should be allowed to live. In the unlikely event that the life of both mother and baby would both be lost (for example, a tubal pregnancy) all should be done to save the life of the mother.

http://reverbpress.com/news/jim-bob-duggar-supported-killing-people-commit-incest/

What I'd like to know is, what has Duggar done with all this information he's gotten from other Christian families about the incest they've experienced? If somebody came to me and said one of their children had molested another of their children, wouldn't I be morally and legally obliged to inform the police?

Indeed Ben, the hypocisy is unbelieveable.
Was not aware of what he stated before.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Interesting here that when he ran for office back in 2002, Duggar had this to say about what to do with people who commit incest:

Q. What is your abortion position, and specifically, where do you stand on rape, incest, and threat to the mother’s health?

A. If a woman is raped, the rapist should be executed instead of the innocent unborn baby. Adoption is an option. Many couples would love to adopt and are waiting for a baby. Abortion has been and always will be the destruction of an innocent child. Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes. The developing infant committed no crime and should be allowed to live. In the unlikely event that the life of both mother and baby would both be lost (for example, a tubal pregnancy) all should be done to save the life of the mother.

http://reverbpress.com/news/jim-bob-duggar-supported-killing-people-commit-incest/

What I'd like to know is, what has Duggar done with all this information he's gotten from other Christian families about the incest they've experienced? If somebody came to me and said one of their children had molested another of their children, wouldn't I be morally and legally obliged to inform the police?

Its very easy to just say that you should inform the police, but that would involve a lot of consequences for your friendship, especially if they told you in confidence and they thought they were dealing with it themselves in an effective manner. I think a lot of it would depend on the seriousness of the situation, and whether or not you were prepared to sacrifice the friendship.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Interesting here that when he ran for office back in 2002, Duggar had this to say about what to do with people who commit incest:



http://reverbpress.com/news/jim-bob-duggar-supported-killing-people-commit-incest/

What I'd like to know is, what has Duggar done with all this information he's gotten from other Christian families about the incest they've experienced? If somebody came to me and said one of their children had molested another of their children, wouldn't I be morally and legally obliged to inform the police?

Its very easy to just say that you should inform the police, but that would involve a lot of consequences for your friendship, especially if they told you in confidence and they thought they were dealing with it themselves in an effective manner. I think a lot of it would depend on the seriousness of the situation, and whether or not you were prepared to sacrifice the friendship.

Freindship is more important that the justice for an abuse victim?
I would have no hesitation of bringing the matter tot he Police if I knew a child had been abused by someone I knew or if it involved one of their children.
Fuck the friendship, if I am placing my friendship above doing the right thing, then I would be just as culpable to the crime.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Interesting here that when he ran for office back in 2002, Duggar had this to say about what to do with people who commit incest:



http://reverbpress.com/news/jim-bob-duggar-supported-killing-people-commit-incest/

What I'd like to know is, what has Duggar done with all this information he's gotten from other Christian families about the incest they've experienced? If somebody came to me and said one of their children had molested another of their children, wouldn't I be morally and legally obliged to inform the police?

Its very easy to just say that you should inform the police, but that would involve a lot of consequences for your friendship, especially if they told you in confidence and they thought they were dealing with it themselves in an effective manner. I think a lot of it would depend on the seriousness of the situation, and whether or not you were prepared to sacrifice the friendship.

But are you (Mr. Duggar), a lay person, equipped, not to mention entitled, to make that decision?  Isn't that all the more reason to turn the information over to the police and let professionals handle it?

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Its very easy to just say that you should inform the police, but that would involve a lot of consequences for your friendship, especially if they told you in confidence and they thought they were dealing with it themselves in an effective manner. I think a lot of it would depend on the seriousness of the situation, and whether or not you were prepared to sacrifice the friendship.

But are you (Mr. Duggar), a lay person, equipped, not to mention entitled, to make that decision?  Isn't that all the more reason to turn the information over to the police and let professionals handle it?

I think it would depend on what he was told.

Mr Duggar doesn't actually say in that snippet that anything was covered up, or that the police were not involved in the other situations.

I think one needs to watch the whole interview to put it in context.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

But are you (Mr. Duggar), a lay person, equipped, not to mention entitled, to make that decision?  Isn't that all the more reason to turn the information over to the police and let professionals handle it?

I think it would depend on what he was told.

Mr Duggar doesn't actually say in that snippet that anything was covered up, or that the police were not involved in the other situations.

I think one needs to watch the whole interview to put it in context.

Considering they sought advice and then did themselves cover up, one can easily determine others had kept it within the family also.

He said that they'd talked to other families since then, so he didn't specify who they were. It's possible that people he didn't know contacted him to say a similar thing had happened.

Raggamuffin wrote:He said that they'd talked to other families since then, so he didn't specify who they were. It's possible that people he didn't know contacted him to say a similar thing had happened.

Its very simple he said others had gone through the same. They sought advice, clearly advice they respect. It seems others have done the same.
Its possible they may not have but unlikley based off their own decisions.

Not only that, why if other families know of his families situation did none of them go to the police, as I am sure they did not all find out untill it all came out?
That again is very telling and points towards others doing the same.

Laters

There's just not enough info to go on. He doesn't say when he talked to those other families, whether he knew them or not, what the actual situation was, or whether or not the police had been involved at the time.

The boy went to his parents for help. He confessed to them. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to make every effort to deal with it themselves.

Raggamuffin wrote:There's just not enough info to go on. He doesn't say when he talked to those other families, whether he knew them or not, what the actual situation was, or whether or not the police had been involved at the time.

I think is vey obvious based on their own reactions and how they did admit seeking advice from their religious group on this.


However, Jim Bob Duggar did tell members of his church about Josh’s offenses, but the church leadership also chose to wait months before notifying the police, thus participating in the cover up.

Jim Bob told police, when he was interviewed in 2006, that Josh had been “disciplined” for his actions, explaining that the Duggars sent their son to a Christian program at the advice of their church elders. It turns out that “program” entailed working for a family friend remodeling a building.

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/05/josh-duggar-escapes-prosecution-for-sexual-abuse-of-underage-sisters/#sthash.1qY8agDO.dpuf

Raggamuffin wrote:The boy went to his parents for help. He confessed to them. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to make every effort to deal with it themselves.

They are not in a position to decide or even experts on how to help the victims, of which 4 of their daughters were victims. You are claiming they should be above the law and that what they decide best suits the victims, which is absurd. Clearly the offender also needs the law to decide and if also what ever psychological help needed.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:There's just not enough info to go on. He doesn't say when he talked to those other families, whether he knew them or not, what the actual situation was, or whether or not the police had been involved at the time.

I think is vey obvious based on their own reactions and how they did admit seeking advice from their religious group on this.


However, Jim Bob Duggar did tell members of his church about Josh’s offenses, but the church leadership also chose to wait months before notifying the police, thus participating in the cover up.

Jim Bob told police, when he was interviewed in 2006, that Josh had been “disciplined” for his actions, explaining that the Duggars sent their son to a Christian program at the advice of their church elders. It turns out that “program” entailed working for a family friend remodeling a building.

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/05/josh-duggar-escapes-prosecution-for-sexual-abuse-of-underage-sisters/#sthash.1qY8agDO.dpuf

I'm referring to these other families. He doesn't say when he spoke to them - he just said "since then".

I don't think it was a "cover up". I think it was his friends trying to help him deal with the situation as best he could. It was his son - you don't dob your son in unless there's no alternative.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The boy went to his parents for help. He confessed to them. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to make every effort to deal with it themselves.

They are not in a position to decide or even experts on how to help the victims, of which 4 of their daughters were victims. You are claiming they should be above the law and that what they decide best suits the victims, which is absurd. Clearly the offender also needs the law to decide and if also what ever psychological help needed.

Well they were their children, and they were there and you were not.

You don't get to decide what should have been done - they decided that.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


I think is vey obvious based on their own reactions and how they did admit seeking advice from their religious group on this.


However, Jim Bob Duggar did tell members of his church about Josh’s offenses, but the church leadership also chose to wait months before notifying the police, thus participating in the cover up.

Jim Bob told police, when he was interviewed in 2006, that Josh had been “disciplined” for his actions, explaining that the Duggars sent their son to a Christian program at the advice of their church elders. It turns out that “program” entailed working for a family friend remodeling a building.

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/05/josh-duggar-escapes-prosecution-for-sexual-abuse-of-underage-sisters/#sthash.1qY8agDO.dpuf

I'm referring to these other families. He doesn't say when he spoke to them - he just said "since then".

I don't think it was a "cover up". I think it was his friends trying to help him deal with the situation as best he could. It was his son - you don't dob your son in unless there's no alternative.

Again even with other families especially if of the same Christian group will act the same based off the decisions we see from the Church. It shows how you really do not understand fundamentalism at what the all follow. Clearly as seen it was a cover up, they sent him as punishment to help rebuild a property, that is not in any shape or form rehabilitating him and the victims are being cast to one side in favour of the offender

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

They are not in a position to decide or even experts on how to help the victims, of which 4 of their daughters were victims. You are claiming they should be above the law and that what they decide best suits the victims, which is absurd. Clearly the offender also needs the law to decide and if also what ever psychological help needed.

Well they were their children, and they were there and you were not.

You don't get to decide what should have been done - they decided that.

Yes they are all children which is even more important that the authorities are involved, being as they have experts to deal with such an incident. So yes I do get to decide as to what is right for the victims. At no point are you even considering the victims here in all of this.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm referring to these other families. He doesn't say when he spoke to them - he just said "since then".

I don't think it was a "cover up". I think it was his friends trying to help him deal with the situation as best he could. It was his son - you don't dob your son in unless there's no alternative.

Again even with other families especially if of the same Christian group will act the same based off the decisions we see from the Church. It shows how you really do not understand fundamentalism at what the all follow. Clearly as seen it was a cover up, they sent him as punishment to help rebuild a property, that is not in any shape or form rehabilitating him and the victims are being cast to one side in favour of the offender

All this shows that you do not understand family loyalty more like.

This is nothing to do with fundamentalism, it's to do with a problem within a family. The victims are not cast aside - see what they say before you start getting outraged.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well they were their children, and they were there and you were not.

You don't get to decide what should have been done - they decided that.

Yes they are all children which is even more important that the authorities are involved, being as they have experts to deal with such an incident. So yes I do get to decide as to what is right for the victims. At no point are you even considering the victims here in all of this.

No you don't. It's fuck all to do with you.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Again even with other families especially if of the same Christian group will act the same based off the decisions we see from the Church. It shows how you really do not understand fundamentalism at what the all follow. Clearly as seen it was a cover up, they sent him as punishment to help rebuild a property, that is not in any shape or form rehabilitating him and the victims are being cast to one side in favour of the offender

All this shows that you do not understand family loyalty more like.

This is nothing to do with fundamentalism, it's to do with a problem within a family. The victims are not cast aside - see what they say before you start getting outraged.

OMG again, so family loyalty, over children being abused and not placing the interests of their family first by allowing their own daughters as well as other young girls being abused to go through being traumatized without any professional help and to top it off to save the offender from rightly being taken in for the crimes he committed. Yeah they showed the worst family loyalties to their own daughters, by placing their brother above them in importance and where does that sexist view derive from by any chance?

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

All this shows that you do not understand family loyalty more like.

This is nothing to do with fundamentalism, it's to do with a problem within a family. The victims are not cast aside - see what they say before you start getting outraged.

OMG again, so family loyalty, over children being abused and not placing the interests of their family first by allowing their own daughters as well as other young girls being abused to go through being traumatized without any professional help and to top it off to save the offender from rightly being taken in for the crimes he committed. Yeah they showed the worst family loyalties to their own daughters, by placing their brother above them in importance and where does that sexist view derive from by any chance?

Where does your stupidity come from?

Why don't watch the interview before you become judge, jury, and executioner?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Yes they are all children which is even more important that the authorities are involved, being as they have experts to deal with such an incident. So yes I do get to decide as to what is right for the victims. At no point are you even considering the victims here in all of this.

No you don't. It's fuck all to do with you.

Wrong again, their daughters and other girls were victims of sexual abuse and you are defending the parents actions which places them of lesser importance than the offender, their son. They are scum the parents, full stop.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


OMG again, so family loyalty, over children being abused and not placing the interests of their family first by allowing their own daughters as well as other young girls being abused to go through being traumatized without any professional help and to top it off to save the offender from rightly being taken in for the crimes he committed. Yeah they showed the worst family loyalties to their own daughters, by placing their brother above them in importance and where does that sexist view derive from by any chance?

Where does your stupidity come from?

Why don't watch the interview before you become judge, jury, and executioner?

Woeful deflection, you are defending parents who did the wrong action based off loyalties, where as seen their loyalty did not extend to their own daughters who were victims.

Didge, you're a stupid old bigot. You're only obsessed with this family because you hate Christians.

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, you're a stupid old bigot. You're only obsessed with this family because you hate Christians.

More bollocks, you are defending the poor actions of the parents which sought to help their son and not provide the best help for the daughters and others who were victims to his abuse. If anything itis you being the complete idiot here. They are in no position to help here because they are not experts and again the son would also need psychological help. What really happened here was not any loyalties to their son or daughters, but their pathetic image of a loving Christian family on TV. That is what you fail to see. Which as seen has been shot to shit. They are scum, they cared more about themselves and their image, than they did their own children.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, you're a stupid old bigot. You're only obsessed with this family because you hate Christians.

More bollocks, you are defending the poor actions of the parents which sought to help their son and not provide the best help for the daughters and others who were victims to his abuse. If anything itis you being the complete idiot here. They are in no position to help here because they are not experts and again the son would also need psychological help. What really happened here was not any loyalties to their son or daughters, but their pathetic image of a loving Christian family on TV. That is what you fail to see. Which as seen has been shot to shit. They are scum, they cared more about themselves than they did their own children.

The daughters didn't even know it had happened.

What you fail to see is that someone doesn't dob their son in at the drop at the hat. You probably would of course.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

More bollocks, you are defending the poor actions of the parents which sought to help their son and not provide the best help for the daughters and others who were victims to his abuse. If anything itis you being the complete idiot here. They are in no position to help here because they are not experts and again the son would also need psychological help. What really happened here was not any loyalties to their son or daughters, but their pathetic image of a loving Christian family on TV. That is what you fail to see. Which as seen has been shot to shit. They are scum, they cared more about themselves than they did their own children.

The daughters didn't even know it had happened.

What you fail to see is that someone doesn't dob their son in at the drop at the hat. You probably would of course.

More feeble excuses.
So they say, in order to again protect the family.
We have no idea at the time how they felt and this is the problem anytime a parent tries to cover for their own child, one it is so they do not getting trouble and the other is more about themselves in how others will view them, which is clearly the case. You have no comprehension of what psychological effects this has on children and any sound minded parent would place their children here first and do the right thing by the other victims in bringing this to the attention of the authorities so the best psychological help can be provided for everyone including the parents, so they can learn to cope with such a traumatic event. You are only thinking and defending the parents and sparing no thoughts for those abused. Thank fuck people like you are not listened to in regards to child abuse, you would let it continue without any thought to how it actually does effect people.

Your defense here has been an utter disgrace and mocks every victim of sexual abuse

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The daughters didn't even know it had happened.

What you fail to see is that someone doesn't dob their son in at the drop at the hat. You probably would of course.

More feeble excuses.
So they say, in order to again protect the family.
We have no idea at the time how they felt and this is the problem anytime a parent tries to cover for their own child, one it is so they do not getting trouble and the other is more about themselves in how others will view them, which is clearly the case. You have no comprehension of what psychological effects this has on children and any sound minded parent would place their children here first and do the right thing by the other victims in bringing this to the attention of the authorities so the best psychological help can be provided for everyone including the parents, so they can learn to cope with such a traumatic event. You are only thinking and defending the parents and sparing no thoughts for those abused. Thank fuck people like you are not listened to in regards to child abuse, you would let it continue without any thought to how it actually does effect people.

Your defense here has been an utter disgrace and mocks every victim of sexual abuse

Your bigotry has been a disgrace, and so has your pathetic attitude. You think you know what's best for everyone, but you don't. Thank fuck you have no say in this matter - you would probably have stoned them to death or something.

You don't give a shit about those girls, you only want to attack the parents because you don't like their religion. Well suck it up - it's not up to you what they believe.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, you're a stupid old bigot. You're only obsessed with this family because you hate Christians.

More bollocks, you are defending the poor actions of the parents which sought to help their son and not provide the best help for the daughters and others who were victims to his abuse. If anything itis you being the complete idiot here. They are in no position to help here because they are not experts and again the son would also need psychological help. What really happened here was not any loyalties to their son or daughters, but their pathetic image of a loving Christian family on TV. That is what you fail to see. Which as seen has been shot to shit. They are scum, they cared more about themselves than they did their own children.

The daughters didn't even know it had happened.

What you fail to see is that someone doesn't dob their son in at the drop at the hat. You probably would of course.

Would you feel the same way if they weren't Christians? What if they were atheists? Or Muslims?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The daughters didn't even know it had happened.

What you fail to see is that someone doesn't dob their son in at the drop at the hat. You probably would of course.

Would you feel the same way if they weren't Christians? What if they were atheists? Or Muslims?

Yes.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


More feeble excuses.
So they say, in order to again protect the family.
We have no idea at the time how they felt and this is the problem anytime a parent tries to cover for their own child, one it is so they do not getting trouble and the other is more about themselves in how others will view them, which is clearly the case. You have no comprehension of what psychological effects this has on children and any sound minded parent would place their children here first and do the right thing by the other victims in bringing this to the attention of the authorities so the best psychological help can be provided for everyone including the parents, so they can learn to cope with such a traumatic event. You are only thinking and defending the parents and sparing no thoughts for those abused. Thank fuck people like you are not listened to in regards to child abuse, you would let it continue without any thought to how it actually does effect people.

Your defense here has been an utter disgrace and mocks every victim of sexual abuse

Your bigotry has been a disgrace, and so has your pathetic attitude. You think you know what's best for everyone, but you don't. Thank fuck you have no say in this matter - you would probably have stoned them to death or something.

You don't give a shit about those girls, you only want to attack the parents because you don't like their religion. Well suck it up - it's not up to you what they believe.

Well lets put this to the test then shall we and prove what a fucking ignorant wally you are.

Are parents best to deal with the psychological effects to a victim of child abuse or a Councillor or psychiatrists?

If you bak the parents you are a sick twisted defender of child abuse and I want nothing more to do with scum like you. If this was anything other than Christianity you would not be defending the parents and shows what a vile creature you really are that you place the religion of the parents first over what is the right thing to do for the children.

It does not matter what religion they are or even if they were atheist if they tried to cover this up, you are using their religion to defend them, which is fucking pathetic.
Fuck off you disgusting sexual abuser defender.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Would you feel the same way if they weren't Christians? What if they were atheists? Or Muslims?

Yes.

Bullshit, as how did you feel about the 3 Muslims girls returning from ISIS?
Liar exposed

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Your bigotry has been a disgrace, and so has your pathetic attitude. You think you know what's best for everyone, but you don't. Thank fuck you have no say in this matter - you would probably have stoned them to death or something.

You don't give a shit about those girls, you only want to attack the parents because you don't like their religion. Well suck it up - it's not up to you what they believe.

Well lets put this to the test then shall we and prove what a fucking ignorant wally you are.

Are parents best to deal with the psychological effects to a victim of child abuse or a Councillor or psychiatrists?

If you think the parents you are a sick twisted defender of child abuse and I want nothing more to do with scum like you. If this was anything other than Christianity you would not be defending the parents and shows what a vile creature you really are that you place the religion of the parents first over what is the right thing to do for the children.

It does not matter what religion they are or even if they were atheist if they tried to cover this up, you are using their religion to defend them, which is fucking pathetic.
Fuck off you disgusting sexual abuser defender.

Fuck off with your demands. You're a horrible old man, and I don't answer to you.

I'd rather you didn't have anything to do with me. Put me on ignore. It'll be a pleasure to be able to post in peace without you nagging, bullying, and abusing me.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes.

Bullshit, as how did you feel about the 3 Muslims girls returning from ISIS?
Liar exposed

Fuck off, pervert.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

Well lets put this to the test then shall we and prove what a fucking ignorant wally you are.

Are parents best to deal with the psychological effects to a victim of child abuse or a Councillor or psychiatrists?

If you think the parents you are a sick twisted defender of child abuse and I want nothing more to do with scum like you. If this was anything other than Christianity you would not be defending the parents and shows what a vile creature you really are that you place the religion of the parents first over what is the right thing to do for the children.

It does not matter what religion they are or even if they were atheist if they tried to cover this up, you are using their religion to defend them, which is fucking pathetic.
Fuck off you disgusting sexual abuser defender.

Fuck off with your demands. You're a horrible old man, and I don't answer to you.

I'd rather you didn't have anything to do with me. Put me on ignore. It'll be a pleasure to be able to post in peace without you nagging, bullying, and abusing me.

You have been ousted as a defender of child sex abuse, if the parents are Christian..
I am happy you exposed what a vile creature that you and it did not take much to expose your hypocrisy where you have no undue care for the victims and what is bets for them. I asked you a simple question and you did not answer. You are scum full stop, a defender of sexual abusers