Did Jim Bob Duggar admit that fundamentalist families have a sibling molestation problem?

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:49 am

First topic message reminder :

ost in the many revelations and and explanations in the Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar interview with Fox’s Megyn Kelly was a bombshell comment made by Jim Bob Duggar stating that parents they spoke with had experienced “similar situations” within their own families. As the Duggars explained why they didn’t seek professional help for teenaged son Josh after he admitted to molesting five young girls – four of them his sisters, including one who was reportedly only 5 at the time — they said they reached out to their church and friends for advice. That was when Jim Bob offhandedly mentioned the feedback he received from other parents –presumably from within their inner circle — as they attempted to keep the potential scandal under wraps.

“It was a very difficult situation,” Jim Bob explained. “But as we talked to other parents and different ones since then, a lot of families have said that they have had similar things that happened in their families.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/did-jim-bob-duggar-admit-that-fundamentalist-families-have-a-sibling-molestation-problem/

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:56 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Bullshit, as how did you feel about the 3 Muslims girls returning from ISIS?
Liar exposed

Fuck off, pervert.

Sorry that is your department, you defend parents hiding their son abusing their daughters.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:57 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Fuck off with your demands. You're a horrible old man, and I don't answer to you.

I'd rather you didn't have anything to do with me. Put me on ignore. It'll be a pleasure to be able to post in peace without you nagging, bullying, and abusing me.

You have been ousted as a defender of child sex abuse, if the parents are Christian..
I am happy you exposed what a vile creature that you and it did not take much to expose your hypocrisy where you have no undue care for the victims and what is bets for them. I asked you a simple question and you did not answer. You are scum full stop, a defender of sexual abusers

You were outed as someone who falsely accuses others of being paedophiles - you sick old pervert.

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

You have been ousted as a defender of child sex abuse, if the parents are Christian..
I am happy you exposed what a vile creature that you and it did not take much to expose your hypocrisy where you have no undue care for the victims and what is bets for them. I asked you a simple question and you did not answer. You are scum full stop, a defender of sexual abusers

You were outed as someone who falsely accuses others of being paedophiles - you sick old pervert.

Poor deflection, I had the decency to admit I was wrong their and apologise and the fat you use this shows you know you have no point here and that in fact you defend families and only if christian to hide and protect child sex abusers and also make their daughters, the victims, of lesser worth than their son.
One word to describe someone like you.
Scum

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:00 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You were outed as someone who falsely accuses others of being paedophiles - you sick old pervert.

Poor deflection, I had the decency to admit I was wrong their and apologise and the fat you use this shows you know you have no point here and that in fact you defend families and only if christian to hide and protect child sex abusers and also make their daughters, the victims, of lesser worth than their son.
One word to describe someone like you.
Scum

For someone who doesn't want anything more to do with me, you sure are replying a lot.

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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Poor deflection, I had the decency to admit I was wrong their and apologise and the fat you use this shows you know you have no point here and that in fact you defend families and only if christian to hide and protect child sex abusers and also make their daughters, the victims, of lesser worth than their son.
One word to describe someone like you.
Scum

For someone who doesn't want anything more to do with me, you sure are replying a lot.

Oh but I am enjoying watching you squirm so badly.
I do not want anything more to do with you, hence why I shall make you squirm some more. It means I have now no respect for you because you are scum.
How badly have you made yourself look in defending the indefensible.
You made your bed, now you will have to lie in it.

Laughing

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:03 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The daughters didn't even know it had happened.

What you fail to see is that someone doesn't dob their son in at the drop at the hat. You probably would of course.

Would you feel the same way if they weren't Christians? What if they were atheists? Or Muslims?

Yes.

Really? Family of Somali Muslim immigrants living in London. The father is an imam. Turns out he didn't report it to the authorities when his son molested his sisters.

Peace, love and understanding?

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:05 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

For someone who doesn't want anything more to do with me, you sure are replying a lot.

Oh but I am enjoying watching you squirm so badly.
I do not want anything more to do with you, hence why I shall make you squirm some more. It means I have now no respect for you because you are scum.
How badly have you made yourself look in defending the indefensible.
You made your bed, now you will have to lie in it.

I'm enjoying watching you get so wound up. Go on - do some more fake outrage - it's entertaining. lol!

Watch your blood pressure though, otherwise you'll be the one lying in bed. Wink

I've never had any respect for you. I think you're a disgusting person - judgemental, bossy, arrogant, bigoted, and totally unpleasant.

Your turn.

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by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:06 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes.

Really? Family of Somali Muslim immigrants living in London. The father is an imam. Turns out he didn't report it to the authorities when his son molested his sisters.

Peace, love and understanding?

Why would that surprise you?

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:07 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes.

Really? Family of Somali Muslim immigrants living in London. The father is an imam. Turns out he didn't report it to the authorities when his son molested his sisters.

Peace, love and understanding?

She already failed that one, in the view of 3 girls who came back from ISIS and said they should be convicted of terrorism, from no terrorist act they were accused of committing.
If they were Muslims you would see the opposite reaction as seen by 3 children returning from a mistake they made. Nobody said they should not be interrogated and monitored, we all agreed they should be. She wanted to bang them up on crimes she invented.
What does that tell you about her hypocrisy here?
Imagine it was 3 Christian girls returning, her views as seen would be vastly different

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:08 pm

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:09 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Oh but I am enjoying watching you squirm so badly.
I do not want anything more to do with you, hence why I shall make you squirm some more. It means I have now no respect for you because you are scum.
How badly have you made yourself look in defending the indefensible.
You made your bed, now you will have to lie in it.

I'm enjoying watching you get so wound up. Go on - do some more fake outrage - it's entertaining.

Watch your blood pressure though, otherwise you'll be the one lying in bed.

I've never had any respect for you. I think you're a disgusting person - judgemental, bossy, arrogant, bigoted, and totally unpleasant.

Your turn.

I am so happy you have no respect, that does nothing to deflect from the fact you defended two scummy parents who cared more about their image than they did their own children.
So nothing you can say will deflect away from the fact you defend low lifes.
I think you are sum full stop and fluffy was always right about you, that you are just bitter and jealous of many people, it shows up the many insecurities you have.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:10 pm

Goodness, three onto one.

Must be the old boys club. booby shake

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:10 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm enjoying watching you get so wound up. Go on - do some more fake outrage - it's entertaining.

Watch your blood pressure though, otherwise you'll be the one lying in bed.

I've never had any respect for you. I think you're a disgusting person - judgemental, bossy, arrogant, bigoted, and totally unpleasant.

Your turn.

I am so happy you have no respect, that does nothing to deflect from the fact you defended to scummy parents who cared more about their image than they did their own children.
So nothing you can say will deflect away from the fact you defend low lifes.
I think you are sum full stop and fluffy was always right about you, that you are just bitter and jealous of many people, it shows up the many insecurities you have.

Fluffy?

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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:11 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Goodness, three onto one.

Must be the old boys club.

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by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:12 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Really? Family of Somali Muslim immigrants living in London. The father is an imam. Turns out he didn't report it to the authorities when his son molested his sisters.

Peace, love and understanding?

She already failed that one, in the view of 3 girls who came back from ISIS and said they should be convicted of terrorism, from no terrorist act they were accused of committing.
If they were Muslims you would see the opposite reaction as seen by 3 children returning from a mistake they made. Nobody said they should not be interrogated and monitored, we all agreed they should be. She wanted to bang them up on crimes she invented.
What does that tell you about her hypocrisy here?
Imagine it was 3 Christian girls returning, her views as seen would be vastly different

Do answer the question Ben. What does that tell you about me?

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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:12 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

She already failed that one, in the view of 3 girls who came back from ISIS and said they should be convicted of terrorism, from no terrorist act they were accused of committing.
If they were Muslims you would see the opposite reaction as seen by 3 children returning from a mistake they made. Nobody said they should not be interrogated and monitored, we all agreed they should be. She wanted to bang them up on crimes she invented.
What does that tell you about her hypocrisy here?
Imagine it was 3 Christian girls returning, her views as seen would be vastly different

Do answer the question Ben. What does that tell you about me?

lol so wound up she is responding to the wrong posts

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:13 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Do answer the question Ben. What does that tell you about me?

lol so wound up she is responding to the wrong posts

No I'm not. I'm quoting you so he can answer you. He might have missed your post on account of your tedious droning. lol!

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:14 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

lol so wound up she is responding to the wrong posts

No I'm not. I'm quoting you so he can answer you. He might have missed your post on account of your tedious droning.

Hilarious copout to your utter mistake.

I think this card suits you best

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by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:17 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No I'm not. I'm quoting you so he can answer you. He might have missed your post on account of your tedious droning.

Hilarious copout to your utter mistake.

I think this card suits you best

The way you appeal to Ben is pathetic. Stand on your own two feet instead of looking for back up from others.

You're weak as well as bigoted. tongue

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:19 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Hilarious copout to your utter mistake.

I think this card suits you best

The way you appeal to Ben is pathetic. Stand on your own two feet instead of looking for back up from others.

You're weak as well as bigoted.

Ben is very capable of deciding for himself and why I have respect for him. I Just love having the pleasure also to point out your hypocrisy and double standards over your own religion compared to others

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by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:21 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The way you appeal to Ben is pathetic. Stand on your own two feet instead of looking for back up from others.

You're weak as well as bigoted.

Ben is very capable of deciding for himself and why I have respect for him. I Just love having the pleasure also to point out your hypocrisy and double standards over your own religion compared to others

Yes he is - he doesn't need you to tell him what to think.

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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Ben is very capable of deciding for himself and why I have respect for him. I Just love having the pleasure also to point out your hypocrisy and double standards over your own religion compared to others

Yes he is - he doesn't need you to tell him what to think.

You even dragged Fluffy into it - that's pretty desperate.

He does not need me too, I said it is a pleasure to point out these things about you, that is what you fail to grasp. Asto fluffy, she had you very well worked out as bitter and jealous. You have so many insecurities, of which I will not mock, you need to come to terms with

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by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:30 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes he is - he doesn't need you to tell him what to think.

You even dragged Fluffy into it - that's pretty desperate.

He does not need me too, I said it is a pleasure to point out these things about you, that is what you fail to grasp. Asto fluffy, she had you very well worked out as bitter and jealous. You have so many insecurities, of which I will not mock, you need to come to terms with

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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:31 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

He does not need me too, I said it is a pleasure to point out these things about you, that is what you fail to grasp. Asto fluffy, she had you very well worked out as bitter and jealous. You have so many insecurities, of which I will not mock, you need to come to terms with

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by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:32 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

lol says the defender of perverts.

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Right am off to watch Game of Thrones.

And so their work was done.
Raggamuffin gave a big yawn and settled down to sleep
And, of course, when Raggamuffin goes to sleep,
All her friends go to sleep too.
The Fundamentalists were ornaments on the cruxifix organ.
Gabriel and Madeleine were just blow up dolls.
And Professor HF was a carved, wooden bookend in the shape of a Knobend.
Even Raggamuffin herself, once she was asleep, was just an old, saggy cloth cat,
Baggy, and a bit loose at the seams,
But nobody loved her.

Night

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:42 pm

To help any of the non British posters understand my last post:

Night

Laughing

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:42 pm

What a nasty old man. No wonder you're on your own Didge, and you have to spend your days arguing on forums. Did Jim Bob Duggar admit that fundamentalist families have a sibling molestation problem? - Page 3 1366281442

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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:44 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:What a nasty old man. No wonder you're on your own Didge, and you have to spend your days arguing on forums.

Sorry to burst your bubble love, am married and have children.
I only wish you find love too one day, it might extinguish that eternal bitterness you carry inside you.
On that I truly wish you luck on finding.

Night sweetie.

Laughing

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:50 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:What a nasty old man. No wonder you're on your own Didge, and you have to spend your days arguing on forums.

Sorry to burst your bubble love, am married and have children.
I only wish you find love too one day, it might extinguish that eternal bitterness you carry inside you.
On that I truly wish you luck on finding.

Night sweetie.

No way - you are lying. Nobody would put up with you.

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by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:07 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

lol says the defender of perverts.

Right am off to watch Game of Thrones.

And so their work was done.
Raggamuffin gave a big yawn and settled down to sleep
And, of course, when Raggamuffin goes to sleep,
All her friends go to sleep too.
The Fundamentalists were ornaments on the cruxifix organ.
Gabriel and Madeleine were just blow up dolls.
And Professor HF was a carved, wooden bookend in the shape of a Knobend.
Even Raggamuffin herself, once she was asleep, was just an old, saggy cloth cat,
Baggy, and a bit loose at the seams,
But nobody loved her.

Night

you sod you didge...you owe me a new keyboard....

I just choked on me beer laughing at that

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:16 pm

darknessss wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

lol says the defender of perverts.

Right am off to watch Game of Thrones.

And so their work was done.
Raggamuffin gave a big yawn and settled down to sleep
And, of course, when Raggamuffin goes to sleep,
All her friends go to sleep too.
The Fundamentalists were ornaments on the cruxifix organ.
Gabriel and Madeleine were just blow up dolls.
And Professor HF was a carved, wooden bookend in the shape of a Knobend.
Even Raggamuffin herself, once she was asleep, was just an old, saggy cloth cat,
Baggy, and a bit loose at the seams,
But nobody loved her.

Night

you sod you didge...you owe me a new keyboard....

I just choked on me beer laughing at that

Sorry bro, it had to be done, but allow me to help Rags understand mutual respect that people have for one another as we don.

To Rags. When it comes to debating I enjoy the challenge, none more so than when it comes to Victor, who has taught me more humility than any other. When it comes to debating it is between intellectual minds, though not always, as even I can admit my passions run away with me. Though of all people Victor does open up an avenue that allows me to challenge my own view points, one he plays better than anyone else. You may thing this is just boys playing silly games, but actually it is a teacher excelling at what he does best in the hope that others will learn. It does not mean he is always right, but he is humble and gracious enough to admit where his points lack validity. His best point he ever made to me is on one you seek to do now. One of trying to do right by an argument. Mine was on that adultery was wrong and he so snared me into a trap, I failed to see it coming. I was so wrapped up on what was right that I failed to see what was really right, by defending a lost argument. He caught me out rightly on lost love and abuse, where women or men have been abused that they are in fear of their lives that what other option is left open to them. He was so right I became angry beyond belief, because he tore apart my argument on adultery and what is worse I knew it. If anyone has taught me to be humble, it is Victor. He was very harsh in his teachings and he did not do it to shame me but learn from it, hence why I have the utter most respect for him. He teaches far better than I could, because he knows when an argument fails and when it has flaws, but most of all he only wants you to learn from that and not make you suffer the indignity of failing.

That is when you know you have been graced with the presence of a great teacher. You actually learn from that encounter and are humbled. That is why even though we may differ at times, I hold him in the highest regard and respect. Its like here, you know your argument had no standing, but you chose out of thinking what you were doing was right and ignored reason and became blinded. That is why I know when your argument failed, it lacked all reason. I know you want to know and learn, then do as I do, even if I fail to show it at times and admit you can be wrong, as even I can, but here you were wrong to defend..

I can learn many things, but the best lesson I have learnt is humility and respect, where that has only come from Victor. It proves I can be wrong and am willing to admit I can be wrong, the question you have to ask yourself is, can you admit you can be wrong?

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:26 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes.

Really? Family of Somali Muslim immigrants living in London. The father is an imam. Turns out he didn't report it to the authorities when his son molested his sisters.

Peace, love and understanding?

Why would that surprise you?

I would be very surprised to see you defending my hypothetical family the way you're defending the Duggars. Sorry, but I highly doubt you'd treat both cases the same.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:28 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why would that surprise you?

I would be very surprised to see you defending my hypothetical family the way you're defending the Duggars. Sorry, but I highly doubt you'd treat both cases the same.

Why? My stance is that it would be hard for anyone to grass up their own son, or indeed anyone in their family. That applies to anyone. It's not as if the Duggars ignored it or let him just carry on - that would be different.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:29 pm

I didn't bother reading Didge's post on the grounds that it's bound to be full of shit.

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

I would be very surprised to see you defending my hypothetical family the way you're defending the Duggars. Sorry, but I highly doubt you'd treat both cases the same.

Why? My stance is that it would be hard for anyone to grass up their own son, or indeed anyone in their family. That applies to anyone. It's not as if the Duggars ignored it or let him just carry on - that would be different.

The point you miss here is that it was the religious teachings that had influence here over their actions. They are taught the male is the highest in the family and that women are second to men in the fundamentalist world. We see the same in grooming with girls by those of a Pakistani culture. It again stems from backward teachings of men being seen as doing no wrong. That is what you fail to grasp. It does not mean all Pakistani men are like this far from it, but it does allow some men to wrongly perceive they can abuse a situation and even worse women

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:33 pm

Do you think they should have grassed him up to the police Ben?

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:35 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Do you think they should have grassed him up to the police Ben?

Okay ask yourself this question.
Was their sons protection more important than their daughters having to endure abuse?

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:01 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Do you think they should have grassed him up to the police Ben?

Yes, I do. A crime was committed against their own daughters and even if every party involved was a stranger, if you know something like this is going on it's your moral and legal obligation to report it to the authorities.

Yes -- it was their son. But it was also their daughters.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:03 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Do you think they should have grassed him up to the police Ben?

Yes, I do. A crime was committed against their own daughters and even if every party involved was a stranger, if you know something like this is going on it's your moral and legal obligation to report it to the authorities.

Yes -- it was their son. But it was also their daughters.

OK. The boy was 14 or 15. I bet most people would not grass up their own son - they would try to deal with it themselves.

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:07 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Yes, I do. A crime was committed against their own daughters and even if every party involved was a stranger, if you know something like this is going on it's your moral and legal obligation to report it to the authorities.

Yes -- it was their son. But it was also their daughters.

OK. The boy was 14 or 15. I bet most people would not grass up their own son - they would try to deal with it themselves.

Okay ask yourself this question.
Was their sons protection more important than their daughters having to endure abuse?

by Guest Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:50 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Yes, I do. A crime was committed against their own daughters and even if every party involved was a stranger, if you know something like this is going on it's your moral and legal obligation to report it to the authorities.

Yes -- it was their son. But it was also their daughters.

OK. The boy was 14 or 15. I bet most people would not grass up their own son - they would try to deal with it themselves.

I'm sorry Raggs even if you think most people would do that it doesn't make it the right thing to do

by Raggamuffin Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:52 pm

feelthelove wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

OK. The boy was 14 or 15. I bet most people would not grass up their own son - they would try to deal with it themselves.

I'm sorry Raggs even if you think most people would do that it doesn't make it the right thing to do

So this boy goes to his parents for help. He's sobbing, and he confesses that he did something wrong - he touched his sisters inappropriately. He didn't attack them, he didn't have sex with them, he touched them. He's desperately upset about it. Do you really think his parents are going to call the police to have them come and arrest him?

What would the police have done anyway? He was pretty young himself at the time

by Guest Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:08 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
feelthelove wrote:

I'm sorry Raggs even if you think most people would do that it doesn't make it the right thing to do

So this boy goes to his parents for help. He's sobbing, and he confesses that he did something wrong - he touched his sisters inappropriately. He didn't attack them, he didn't have sex with them, he touched them. He's desperately upset about it. Do you really think his parents are going to call the police to have them come and arrest him?

What would the police have done anyway? He was pretty young himself at the time

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OK so you do nothing and the boy is still abusing children at the age of 20, 30, 40 etc? Would the right action have been to be to try and deal with this themselves? The very fact that the boy has gone to his parents, isn't that a cry for help?

by Raggamuffin Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:23 pm

feelthelove wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So this boy goes to his parents for help. He's sobbing, and he confesses that he did something wrong - he touched his sisters inappropriately. He didn't attack them, he didn't have sex with them, he touched them. He's desperately upset about it. Do you really think his parents are going to call the police to have them come and arrest him?

What would the police have done anyway? He was pretty young himself at the time

In all honesty I'm surprised you are defending this Raggs. It seems a case of do as I say not as I do, religion cannot be used as an excuse to cover up the abuse of children

OK so you do nothing and the boy is still abusing children at the age of 20, 30, 40 etc? Would the right action have been to be to try and deal with this themselves? The very fact that the boy has gone to his parents, isn't that a cry for help?

Er ... in what way has religion been used as an excuse to cover up the abuse of children? Their religion is not relevant.

They did deal with it themselves - that's what people are complaining about. As far as I know, he doesn't abuse children now.

I'm talking about what's understandable. As I said, this wasn't an outsider, it was their own son. I'm amazed that people here think it would be so easy to get your 14/15 year old kid arrested.

by veya_victaous Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
feelthelove wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So this boy goes to his parents for help. He's sobbing, and he confesses that he did something wrong - he touched his sisters inappropriately. He didn't attack them, he didn't have sex with them, he touched them. He's desperately upset about it. Do you really think his parents are going to call the police to have them come and arrest him?

What would the police have done anyway? He was pretty young himself at the time

In all honesty I'm surprised you are defending this Raggs. It seems a case of do as I say not as I do, religion cannot be used as an excuse to cover up the abuse of children

OK so you do nothing and the boy is still abusing children at the age of 20, 30, 40 etc? Would the right action have been to be to try and deal with this themselves? The very fact that the boy has gone to his parents, isn't that a cry for help?

Er ... in what way has religion been used as an excuse to cover up the abuse of children? Their religion is not relevant.

They did deal with it themselves - that's what people are complaining about. As far as I know, he doesn't abuse children now.

I'm talking about what's understandable. As I said, this wasn't an outsider, it was their own son. I'm amazed that people here think it would be so easy to get your 14/15 year old kid arrested.

I agree with raggs
at least in the part that yes i can fully see that being the path many parents would actually take if in the circumstance

the fact that he is young himself means it is more likely curiosity than pedophilia, the religious background probably mean higher level of curiosity because of lower levels of sexual education.

I haven't really followed this story but i saw the girls are adults now and defending their brother and from what i understand he isn't a pedophile as an adult? Suspect

by Guest Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:32 pm

Having read the OP, one of the children he abused was not a sister, which means there is a child out there who was abused and nothing was done about it. I'll take a bet that somewhere down the line the sisters will say they were pressurised by the church and family to support him. Because abused, especially by a family member, isn't something you can just shrug off. Plus, he was 14, so it wasn't a case of 2,3,4 years olds playing doctors and nurses.

by veya_victaous Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:50 pm

14 is start of puberty in a world where all sex is forbidden Rolling Eyes

yeah this exact thing hasn't been going on for centuries for no reason Wink

we are still a biological animal ignoring hormones existence doesn't solve anything. This is why sexual education, as opposed to the denial practice by the church, is much wiser.

by Guest Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:58 pm

veya_victaous wrote:14 is start of puberty in a world where all sex is forbidden
yeah this exact thing hasn't been going on for centuries for no reason we are still a biological animal ignoring hormones existence doesn't solve anything. This is why sexual education, as opposed to the denial practice by the church, is much wiser.

Absolutely agree, that doesn't make the impact on the victims any less.

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