‘Boys are curious': Meet the Duggar defenders using religion to excuse fondling your sleeping sisters

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 1:45 pm

Supporters rallied around the Duggar family after they admitted to keeping quiet about their eldest son molesting young girls – including his own sisters. Josh Duggar, his wife, and his parents issued statements Thursday confirming reports that he had engaged in “inexcusable” behavior more than a decade ago, when he was 14 years old, and he resigned his job with the anti-LGBT Family Research Council as calls poured into TLC to cancel the long-running “19 Kids and Counting.”

However, the Duggars’ defenders offered prayers and messages of support on social media.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/boys-are-curious-meet-the-duggar-defenders-using-religion-to-excuse-fondling-your-sleeping-sisters/

Beggars belief.

Catch you all later.

by eddie Sat May 23, 2015 3:22 pm

I've just been reading about this!! Ffs! How can the parents have hidden and defended their son over this???
And now it's the sisters too??

And are you telling me that the TV execs didn't know about this long before the story broke?

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 3:34 pm

eddie wrote:I've just been reading about this!! Ffs! How can the parents have hidden and defended their son over this???
And now it's the sisters too??

And are you telling me that the TV execs didn't know about this long before the story broke?

Indeed Eddie, how much is that an insult to their own daughters, they would hide this from the parents?
The wife to knowingly go into a marriage with someone who has molested girls, his own sisters. I doubt any reasonable woman would never trust such a man around girls, even more if they had daughters.
Appalled that people would even defend this.

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 7:20 pm

I don't see anyone using religion as an excuse to molest anyone.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 7:39 pm

i do see anyone using their religion to excuse anything..

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 7:40 pm

if you want to see a religion condoning true peado's you should read yatolah khomieni's little book all about thighing, now that is sick....

by Original Quill Sat May 23, 2015 7:44 pm

RawStory wrote:“God forgives all who admit their sins!” said Laura Loftiss.

...says one quote. Read the link, Raggs...the whole thing is about using religion as an excuse for bad behavior.

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 7:52 pm

Original Quill wrote:
RawStory wrote:“God forgives all who admit their sins!” said Laura Loftiss.

...says one quote. Read the link, Raggs...the whole thing is about using religion as an excuse for bad behavior.

No it's not. That's just saying that God has forgiven him - like he forgives anyone. It's not using religion as an excuse to molest anyone. In that case, they would be saying that God wants people to molest others.

by Original Quill Sat May 23, 2015 7:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

...says one quote. Read the link, Raggs...the whole thing is about using religion as an excuse for bad behavior.

No it's not. That's just saying that God has forgiven him - like he forgives anyone. It's not using religion as an excuse to molest anyone. In that case, they would be saying that God wants people to molest others.

You are arguing with the example. Follow the plot.

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:03 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No it's not. That's just saying that God has forgiven him - like he forgives anyone. It's not using religion as an excuse to molest anyone. In that case, they would be saying that God wants people to molest others.

You are arguing with the example. Follow the plot.

No, I'm disagreeing with the thread title - it's misleading and disingenuous.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:15 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't see anyone using religion as an excuse to molest anyone.

Clearly you need to go to specsavers then. They are excusing him because he is a Christian.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

...says one quote. Read the link, Raggs...the whole thing is about using religion as an excuse for bad behavior.

No it's not. That's just saying that God has forgiven him - like he forgives anyone. It's not using religion as an excuse to molest anyone. In that case, they would be saying that God wants people to molest others.

That is using religion to excuse him.
The irony, they can forgive him, but not a homosexual for example which they say will be condemned to hell.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:17 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

You are arguing with the example. Follow the plot.

No, I'm disagreeing with the thread title - it's misleading and disingenuous.

Its not misleading its 100% correct

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:18 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't see anyone using religion as an excuse to molest anyone.

Clearly you need to go to specsavers then. They are excusing him because he is a Christian.

No, they're not - they're really not.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:20 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Clearly you need to go to specsavers then. They are excusing him because he is a Christian.

No, they're not - they're really not.

Yes they blooming well are, so where is their open comments forgiving Jimmy Saville then for his crimes or does only forgiveness work if Christian?

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:20 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No it's not. That's just saying that God has forgiven him - like he forgives anyone. It's not using religion as an excuse to molest anyone. In that case, they would be saying that God wants people to molest others.

That is using religion to excuse him.
The irony, they can forgive him, but not a homosexual for example which they say will be condemned to hell.

No, it's not using religion to excuse him. It just isn't.

Seriously, in your haste to criticise religion, you have completely misunderstood what is being said there.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:22 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

That is using religion to excuse him.
The irony, they can forgive him, but not a homosexual for example which they say will be condemned to hell.

No, it's not using religion to excuse him. It just isn't.

Seriously, in your haste to criticise religion, you have completely misunderstood what is being said there.

Yes it is them using religion to defend him claiming he is forgiven because of his faith and you cannot even see that. Unbelievable Christians defending the indefensible and then we have further Christians defend them, because they are Christian themselves.

Irony at its best

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:22 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No, they're not - they're really not.

Yes they blooming well are, so where is their open comments forgiving Jimmy Saville then for his crimes or does only forgiveness work if Christian?

No they're not. If they were using religion to excuse him, they would say that their religion allows or even encourages molestation of one's sisters.

WTF does Jimmy Savile have to do with it? Have they mentioned Jimmy Savile?

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:23 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Yes they blooming well are, so where is their open comments forgiving Jimmy Saville then for his crimes or does only forgiveness work if Christian?

No they're not. If they were using religion to excuse him, they would say that their religion allows or even encourages molestation of one's sisters.

WTF does Jimmy Savile have to do with it? Have they mentioned Jimmy Savile?

So you are not defending them because you are a Christian then?
It has everything to do with who and what people forgive or do you not understand that?

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:23 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No, it's not using religion to excuse him. It just isn't.

Seriously, in your haste to criticise religion, you have completely misunderstood what is being said there.

Yes it is them using religion to defend him claiming he is forgiven because of his faith and you cannot even see that. Unbelievable Christians defending the indefensible and then we have further Christians defend them, because they are Christian themselves.

Irony at its best

It is not using religion to excuse him. If he asked God for forgiveness, he will get it, like anyone would.

Your hatred of Christians is really blowing smoke in your eyes.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Yes it is them using religion to defend him claiming he is forgiven because of his faith and you cannot even see that. Unbelievable Christians defending the indefensible and then we have further Christians defend them, because they are Christian themselves.

Irony at its best

It is not using religion to excuse him. If he asked God for forgiveness, he will get it, like anyone would.

Your hatred of Christians is really blowing smoke in your eyes.

Yes it is using religion and there is no denying this except of course as seen unless you are Christian also.
To then come out with bollocks to say I hate Christians is feeble and pathetic and has no justification

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:25 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No they're not. If they were using religion to excuse him, they would say that their religion allows or even encourages molestation of one's sisters.

WTF does Jimmy Savile have to do with it? Have they mentioned Jimmy Savile?

So you are not defending them because you are a Christian then?
It has everything to do with who and what people forgive or do you not understand that?

I'm not defending anyone - I don't know these people, and I don't know why you're so obsessed with them. I'm merely saying that nobody is using religion to excuse anything he did.

If you asked God to forgive you for your sins, he would. That's what you don't understand.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:27 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

So you are not defending them because you are a Christian then?
It has everything to do with who and what people forgive or do you not understand that?

I'm not defending anyone - I don't know these people, and I don't know why you're so obsessed with them. I'm merely saying that nobody is using religion to excuse anything he did.

If you asked God to forgive you for your sins, he would. That's what you don't understand.

Unbelievable again, yes you are defending them because you are Christian.
So again for example why would they not forguive a homosexual, of which they certainly do not?

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:27 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It is not using religion to excuse him. If he asked God for forgiveness, he will get it, like anyone would.

Your hatred of Christians is really blowing smoke in your eyes.

Yes it is using religion and there is no denying this except of course as seen unless you are Christian also.
To then come out with bollocks to say I hate Christians is feeble and pathetic and has no justification

You do hate them - nothing else can explain your obsession with Christianity and relentless nastiness and judgemental attitude about Christianity and Christians. You have a nerve telling anyone else they're a bigot after all the stuff you come out with.

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:28 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not defending anyone - I don't know these people, and I don't know why you're so obsessed with them. I'm merely saying that nobody is using religion to excuse anything he did.

If you asked God to forgive you for your sins, he would. That's what you don't understand.

Unbelievable again, yes you are defending them because you are Christian.
So again for example why would they not forguive a homosexual, of which they certainly do not?

Bollox - you're talking shit because you want to have a pop at Christianity yet again.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:28 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Yes it is using religion and there is no denying this except of course as seen unless you are Christian also.
To then come out with bollocks to say I hate Christians is feeble and pathetic and has no justification

You do hate them - nothing else can explain your obsession with Christianity and relentless nastiness and judgemental attitude about Christianity and Christians. You have a nerve telling anyone else they're a bigot after all the stuff you come out with.

That has to be the most pathetic argument you can come out with, because no where do I state I hate Christians and is nothing ore than a pathetic deflection from the points at hand. I have every right to judge some Christians here who have defended him and it is you using the same idiotic logic they are using to defend him

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Unbelievable again, yes you are defending them because you are Christian.
So again for example why would they not forguive a homosexual, of which they certainly do not?

Bollox - you're talking shit because you want to have a pop at Christianity yet again.

Pathetic deflection which has no validity and proves you have no argument

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:32 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You do hate them - nothing else can explain your obsession with Christianity and relentless nastiness and judgemental attitude about Christianity and Christians. You have a nerve telling anyone else they're a bigot after all the stuff you come out with.

That has to be the most pathetic argument you can come out with, because no where do I state I hate Christians and is nothing ore than a pathetic deflection from the points at hand. I have every right to judge some Christians here who have defended him and it is you using the same idiotic logic they are using to defend him

What is pathetic is your new obsession with this family, your relentless abuse of Christianity, your desire to argue every minute of the day, and your constant twisting of what people say.

I would say that you are using this family as an excuse to bang on and on about Christians yet again.

You preach to others about "tolerance", and yet you are one of the most intolerant people I've encountered on forums.

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:33 pm

Talk to yourself and your bigoted cronies - I'm sure they'll soothe your fevered brow and tell you all about how evil Christianity is.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

That has to be the most pathetic argument you can come out with, because no where do I state I hate Christians and is nothing ore than a pathetic deflection from the points at hand. I have every right to judge some Christians here who have defended him and it is you using the same idiotic logic they are using to defend him

What is pathetic is your new obsession with this family, your relentless abuse of Christianity, your desire to argue every minute of the day, and your constant twisting of what people say.

I would say that you are using this family as an excuse to bang on and on about Christians yet again.

You preach to others about "tolerance", and yet you are one of the most intolerant people I've encountered on forums.

New obsession?
Showing you have little understanding that this group advocated for ages about homosexuality being child abuse? Do you want me to go into what they advocated on this? Did you see what group he resigned from?
No where have I abused people because they are Christian again a pathetic lie conjured up by a Christiane to defend the indefensible. To then go on about tolerance at what point have you ever tolerated someone who has sexually abused someone on any other thread?
Stop coming out with bollocks about Christianity being attacked, that is nothing more than a pathetic smoke screen on your part.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Talk to yourself and your bigoted cronies - I'm sure they'll soothe your fevered brow and tell you all about how evil Christianity is.

Pathetic deflection again as how many times have I advocated in regards to Jesus being one of the best teachers in history, proving your claims are utterly groundless and deflections , where the next thing I expect to hear is the next lame excuse to claim to place me on ignore because you are losing a debate..

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:46 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Talk to yourself and your bigoted cronies - I'm sure they'll soothe your fevered brow and tell you all about how evil Christianity is.

Pathetic deflection again as how many times have I advocated in regards to Jesus being one of the best teachers in history, proving your claims are utterly groundless and deflections , where the next thing I expect to hear is the next lame excuse to claim to place me on ignore because you are losing a debate..

I put you on ignore from time to time because, to be quite honest, there are times I can't stand to read your shite any more.

by Guest Sat May 23, 2015 8:47 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Pathetic deflection again as how many times have I advocated in regards to Jesus being one of the best teachers in history, proving your claims are utterly groundless and deflections , where the next thing I expect to hear is the next lame excuse to claim to place me on ignore because you are losing a debate..

I put you on ignore from time to time because, to be quite honest, there are times I can't stand to read your shite any more.

Pathetic and childish deflection again, so the problem we see that you have is more your dislike and intolerance of me, because my views challenge some of yours.

by Raggamuffin Sat May 23, 2015 8:48 pm

by Original Quill Sun May 24, 2015 5:14 pm

As you can lead a horse to water,
But you can't make one drink,
So also, you can drag a Christian to reason,
But you can't make one think.

by Guest Sun May 24, 2015 5:16 pm

perhaps ben should move the two threads in to one..

by Raggamuffin Sun May 24, 2015 5:31 pm

Original Quill wrote:As you can lead a horse to water,
But you can't make one drink,
So also, you can drag a Christian to reason,
But you can't make one think.

Bigot.

by Original Quill Sun May 24, 2015 5:34 pm

Meh...that was my impression yesterday. But as they have evolved, one thread is about the story itself. This other one is about the reaction, its source and content.

There's value in keeping the two matters separate. They have two different foundations. And they have two different points to discuss.

by Original Quill Sun May 24, 2015 5:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:As you can lead a horse to water,
But you can't make one drink,
So also, you can drag a Christian to reason,
But you can't make one think.

Bigot.

Haha...you teach a RWer a new word, and see how fast they use it.

As well, at least she is conceding the point and changing the subject.

by Raggamuffin Sun May 24, 2015 5:39 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Bigot.

Haha...you teach a RWer a new word, and see how fast they use it.

As well, at least she is conceding the point and changing the subject.

You're saying that all Christians are unable to think - that's lumping them all together in a negative way - ie, you're a bigot.

by Original Quill Sun May 24, 2015 5:46 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Haha...you teach a RWer a new word, and see how fast they use it.

As well, at least she is conceding the point and changing the subject.

You're saying that all Christians are unable to think - that's lumping them all together in a negative way - ie, you're a bigot.

I'm saying that their inability to think is a repeated phenomenon one encounters, yes. I don't think that reasonable people believe in a bearded old man who lives in the sky, walks on clouds and performs magic tricks for the kids.

Most fiction requires what scholars call suspended disbelief in order to work. The same requirement is needed for Christianity. What does that suggest?

by Raggamuffin Sun May 24, 2015 5:51 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You're saying that all Christians are unable to think - that's lumping them all together in a negative way - ie, you're a bigot.

I'm saying that their inability to think is a repeated phenomenon one encounters, yes. I don't think that reasonable people believe in a bearded old man who lives in the sky, walks on clouds and performs magic tricks for the kids.

Most fiction requires what scholars call suspended disbelief in order to work. The same requirement is needed for Christianity. What does that suggest?

Like I said - you're a bigot, and you have a superiority complex, which is really not justified. Of course Christians can think - they're not always talking about God you know. It's a pity you can't be more logical - try to think about things a little more.

by Original Quill Sun May 24, 2015 6:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Like I said - you're a bigot, and you have a superiority complex, which is really not justified. Of course Christians can think - they're not always talking about God you know. It's a pity you can't be more logical - try to think about things a little more.

Like I said, it requires suspended disbelief. It is an art most commonly associated with writing fiction. The fact that a Christian can operate in the real world is promising, but not altogether allaying.

As for my superiority complex, it's to be expected. Look at the discussion.

by Guest Sun May 24, 2015 6:36 pm

Original Quill wrote:As you can lead a horse to water,
But you can't make one drink,
So also, you can drag a Christian to reason,
But you can't make one think.

you can take a bigot water but you can't tell him sod all...

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