homosexuality is man made!!!!

First topic message reminder :

and i guess woman made too...

Raggamuffin wrote:Whether people believe in God or not has sod all to do with anyone else either, but you'd think it did the way some people on here bang on.

exactly

darknessss wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

no one forces gays one way or the other, when you demand the opinion of gays to be accepted that is forcing people who do not accept it is right or normal to believe or even not to say it is wrong or not normal...
so you are doing the forcing, so are you the hater, you don't want equality, you don't even know what equality is...

no Christians fear or hate gays, now islam hangs gays so go argue with them, if you dare...

I agree ...I would force silence on that opinion upon the bigots (though in truth they are better out in the open so everyone can see them for the twats they are)

SINCE the practice of homosexuality causes YOU no problem (except in your tiny single cell brain) AND given that you have NO interest (in the legal sense) in it the you DO NOT have the right to openly espouse an opinion which is calculated by its rhetoric to denigrate insult or cause diquiet, to those who do.

see THIS is the bit you cant grasp, because you are a religious interfering old bigot....


ITS GOT SOD ALL to do with you ..........so really...STFU

(Oh and before you try to turn that round and say its nowt to do with me either...YES IT HAS....because....I stand for the right to live ones life "unbothered " by sanctimonious old idiots .........provided whatever you are doing is not of harm to others....which your cult is (of harm to others)

ha ha ha the nazi finally goose steps out of the closet, listen to yourself..lol

you would force everyone to accept your opinion, while cry for equal rights...

the duality of bias and bigotry...

yes it is better when people are seen for what they really are and your post will be your true self for some time...

finally got out the closet but not how you expected...

Vicar of Dibley wrote:but feelthelove the same thing can be said about none believers who constantly tell Christians they are wrong and that Christianity is fake . Where is the difference ?

Well no one has the right to deny you your belief VOD, that is personal to you. If you come on a debate forum of course people will want to discuss your opinions, your faith. It doesn't make it any less real for you. You have the right to challenge back as you see fit. It is a belief though, you chose to believe and trust in God.

Being gay is a completely different thing, it's not a choice. Homophobia, is someone telling you that your love is wrong, something to be ashamed of, unnatural. How can love be wrong?

feelthelove wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:but feelthelove the same thing can be said about none believers who constantly tell Christians they are wrong and that Christianity is fake . Where is the difference ?

Well no one has the right to deny you your belief VOD, that is personal to you.  If you come on a debate forum of course people will want to discuss your opinions, your faith.  It doesn't make it any less real for you.  You have the right to challenge back as you see fit.  It is a belief though, you chose to believe and trust in God.

Being gay is a completely different thing, it's not a choice.  Homophobia, is someone telling you that your love is wrong, something to be ashamed of, unnatural.  How can love be wrong?

Here we go again. Faith is not a choice, it's a feeling.

These people are saying that loving God is wrong, either because God doesn't exist, or because he's a "bad" God.

If someone has the right to say that religious faith is unnatural, someone else surely has the right to say that homosexuality is unnatural back to them. This distinction is false and disingenuous.

Raggamuffin wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

Well no one has the right to deny you your belief VOD, that is personal to you.  If you come on a debate forum of course people will want to discuss your opinions, your faith.  It doesn't make it any less real for you.  You have the right to challenge back as you see fit.  It is a belief though, you chose to believe and trust in God.

Being gay is a completely different thing, it's not a choice.  Homophobia, is someone telling you that your love is wrong, something to be ashamed of, unnatural.  How can love be wrong?

Here we go again. Faith is not a choice, it's a feeling.

These people are saying that loving God is wrong, either because God doesn't exist, or because he's a "bad" God.

If someone has the right to say that religious faith is unnatural, someone else surely has the right to say that homosexuality is unnatural back to them. This distinction is false and disingenuous.

No problem with anyone loving God Raggs, just as I have no problem with anyone being gay.  What I do object to is people who think they have the right to deny anyone their faith or sexuality when it hurts no one and affects no one other than themselves.

Try telling me what to do, what I should think, who I should or shouldn't love or find attractive

feelthelove wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Here we go again. Faith is not a choice, it's a feeling.

These people are saying that loving God is wrong, either because God doesn't exist, or because he's a "bad" God.

If someone has the right to say that religious faith is unnatural, someone else surely has the right to say that homosexuality is unnatural back to them. This distinction is false and disingenuous.

No problem with anyone loving God Raggs, just as I have no problem with anyone being gay.  What I do object to is people who think they have the right to deny anyone their faith or sexuality when it hurts no one and affects no one other than themselves.

Try telling me what to do, what I should think, who I should or shouldn't love or find attractive

What I object to is to people sitting here saying all sorts of negative things about faith and about Christians day after day, and then getting hugely outraged if someone says something negative about homosexuality.

This forum is absolutely full of hypocrisy in that regard. If you do not have faith, you probably won't have noticed the relentless onslaught.

In reality, I find that most people don't care who believes what, and who is gay and who isn't. Sure, there might be a few facetious comments about either issue, but does anyone here really see all this nonsense outside of forums?

feelthelove wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:but feelthelove the same thing can be said about none believers who constantly tell Christians they are wrong and that Christianity is fake . Where is the difference ?

Well no one has the right to deny you your belief VOD, that is personal to you.  If you come on a debate forum of course people will want to discuss your opinions, your faith.  It doesn't make it any less real for you.  You have the right to challenge back as you see fit.  It is a belief though, you chose to believe and trust in God.

Being gay is a completely different thing, it's not a choice.  Homophobia, is someone telling you that your love is wrong, something to be ashamed of, unnatural.  How can love be wrong?

oops no gay gene still, gay is a life choice, that's all it is...

can love, sexual love for your brother or sister be wrong??

Raggamuffin wrote:In reality, I find that most people don't care who believes what, and who is gay and who isn't. Sure, there might be a few facetious comments about either issue, but does anyone here really see all this nonsense outside of forums?

you're right , i know gay men and we get on well we never have any discussion about them being gay or our faith , we laugh we chat about everyday stuff.

My cousin a lesbian i speak to her and her partner , again nothing about my faith or her sexuality .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:In reality, I find that most people don't care who believes what, and who is gay and who isn't. Sure, there might be a few facetious comments about either issue, but does anyone here really see all this nonsense outside of forums?

you're right , i know gay men and we get on well we never have any discussion about them being gay or our faith , we laugh we chat about everyday stuff.

My cousin a lesbian i speak to her and her partner , again nothing about my faith or her sexuality .

In all my years, and in every church service I've ever been to, I've never once heard any Christian even mention gay people. I've never heard a vicar mention them either, and I've known quite a few.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

you're right , i know gay men and we get on well we never have any discussion about them being gay or our faith , we laugh we chat about everyday stuff.

My cousin a lesbian i speak to her and her partner , again nothing about my faith or her sexuality .

In all my years, and in every church service I've ever been to, I've never once heard any Christian even mention gay people. I've never heard a vicar mention them either, and I've known quite a few.

me neither not a single sermon, bible study or meeting has ever mentioned gay people...

Raggamuffin wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

you're right , i know gay men and we get on well we never have any discussion about them being gay or our faith , we laugh we chat about everyday stuff.

My cousin a lesbian i speak to her and her partner , again nothing about my faith or her sexuality .

In all my years, and in every church service I've ever been to, I've never once heard any Christian even mention gay people. I've never heard a vicar mention them either, and I've known quite a few.

neither have i not even once .

and yet you do constantly.....

darknessss wrote:and yet you do constantly.....

I don't hear many people bleating on and on about Christians either, but some people on here do it all the time ...

yep, and with good cause too...


see...the "christians" on here are far from being that...

darknessss wrote:yep, and with good cause too...


see...the "christians" on here are far from being that...

its weird all i see now is nazi, bigot when you type....lol

Since Druidry is a spiritual path – a religion to some, a way of life to others – Druids share a belief in the fundamentally spiritual nature of life. Some will favour a particular way of understanding the source of this spiritual nature, and may feel themselves to be animists, pantheists, polytheists, monotheists or duotheists. Others will avoid choosing any one conception of Deity, believing that by its very nature this is unknowable by the mind.
Monotheistic druids believe there is one Deity: either a Goddess or God, or a Being who is better named Spirit or Great Spirit, to remove misleading associations to gender. But other druids are duotheists, believing that Deity exists as a pair of forces or beings, which they often characterise as the God and Goddess.

Polytheistic Druids believe that many gods and goddesses exist, while animists and pantheists believe that Deity does not exist as one or more personal gods, but is instead present in all things, and is everything.

Whether they have chosen to adopt a particular viewpoint or not, the greatest characteristic of most modern-day Druids lies in their tolerance of diversity: a Druid gathering can bring together people who have widely varying views about deity, or none, and they will happily participate in ceremonies together, celebrate the seasons, and enjoy each others’ company – realising that none of us has the monopoly on truth, and that diversity is both healthy and natural.

darknessss wrote:yep, and with good cause too...


see...the "christians" on here are far from being that...

Are you including me in that?

You think you have the right to harass others just because they believe differently to you.

No I harass you because you are a sanctimonious old bat....

darknessss wrote:No I harass you because you are a sanctimonious old bat....

Now that is a fact.

Belatucadros wrote:

darknessss wrote:No I harass you because you are a sanctimonious old bat....

Now that is a fact.

Tag-teamer.

darknessss wrote:No I harass you because you are a sanctimonious old bat....

and you are a self confessed nazi , bigot...

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:




Now that is a fact.

Tag-teamer.

they must share the same brain cell... or bottle...

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:




Now that is a fact.

Tag-teamer.

sad isn't it

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tag-teamer.

they must share the same brain cell... or bottle...

bottle more likely

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tag-teamer.

sad isn't it

Tag team, the irony and contradiction.


Christians behaving in the most unchristian way possible.

Belatucadros wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

sad isn't it

Tag team, the irony and contradiction.


Christians behaving in the most unchristian way possible.

Off topic.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Tag team, the irony and contradiction.


Christians behaving in the most unchristian way possible.

Off topic.

Very on topic, most intolerant views of homosexuality are formed from religions, Christianity being one of them.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Off topic.

Very on topic, most intolerant views of homosexuality are formed from religions, Christianity being one of them.

Off topic.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Off topic.

Very on topic, most intolerant views of homosexuality are formed from religions, Christianity being one of them.

most intolerant views about gays come from seeing the actions and attitudes of gays especially their hypocrisy......

VoD does HF openly talk about poop shoots, sticking their dick in the wrong place, being not normal and perverts with your gay friends? Probably not eh.

I agree with most of what FtL has said here. You come on a forum religion is going to be discussed- it is a major issue today because of the many controversies surrounding it and the way it often interferes with politics. Homosexuality and religion are again not the same- one is who you were born as, one is an idea/view of the world.

You can't compare being black to being communist.
You can't compare being gay to being Christian.

Religion is what's man made. HFA, you get dumber with every post you make.

VOD wrote:we could say the same for you athieists who say without a doubt Christianity is fake .

No, actually you couldn’t. Atheism is not a doctrine in the positivist sense. It is a null hypothesis.

American Atheists wrote:Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."

Atheism neither asserts, nor denies anything. It is indifferent. It is not a religion, nor even a belief system. As Bill Maher says, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

And baldness is a hairstyle, and "Off" is a TV show.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:



Very on topic, most intolerant views of homosexuality are formed from religions, Christianity being one of them.

Off topic.

On topic, two posters here have views against homosexuality that stem from their Christian beliefs.

what the hell did i walk in on?

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Off topic.

On topic, two posters here have views against homosexuality that stem from their Christian beliefs.

wrong i have no problems with gay people .

Eilzel wrote:VoD does HF openly talk about poop shoots, sticking their dick in the wrong place, being not normal and perverts with your gay friends? Probably not eh.

I agree with most of what FtL has said here. You come on a forum religion is going to be discussed- it is a major issue today because of the many controversies surrounding it and the way it often interferes with politics. Homosexuality and religion are again not the same- one is who you were born as, one is an idea/view of the world.

You can't compare being black to being communist.
You can't compare being gay to being Christian.

All the Christians that were gay when they accepted Christ who i know have now got married and have children, they testify that God healed them and their testimony is the proof .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:VoD does HF openly talk about poop shoots, sticking their dick in the wrong place, being not normal and perverts with your gay friends? Probably not eh.

I agree with most of what FtL has said here. You come on a forum religion is going to be discussed- it is a major issue today because of the many controversies surrounding it and the way it often interferes with politics. Homosexuality and religion are again not the same- one is who you were born as, one is an idea/view of the world.

You can't compare being black to being communist.
You can't compare being gay to being Christian.

All the Christians that were gay when they accepted Christ who i know have now got married and have children, they testify that God healed them and their testimony is the proof .

amen the Lord healed them and restored them...

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


On topic, two posters here have views against homosexuality that stem from their Christian beliefs.

wrong i have no problems with gay people .

So you back the right of homosexuals to marry then having equal rights?

Belatucadros wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

wrong i have no problems with gay people .

So you back the right of homosexuals to marry then having equal rights?

I certainly don't but that's just my opinion, oh and God's opinion...

Belatucadros wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

wrong i have no problems with gay people .

So you back the right of homosexuals to marry then having equal rights?

Yes i do but not to force Pastors or vicars to marry them if they are uncomfortable with that . The church we used to go to wouldn't marry gays . it shouldn't be forced on others beliefs .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

So you back the right of homosexuals to marry then having equal rights?

Yes i do but not to force Pastors or vicars to marry them if they are uncomfortable with that . The church we used to go to wouldn't marry gays . it shouldn't be forced on others beliefs .

Churches aren't forced, so there is no problem is there.

^HF, why do you want to deny me the right to marry my partner?

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Yes i do but not to force Pastors or vicars to marry them if they are uncomfortable with that . The church we used to go to wouldn't marry gays . it shouldn't be forced on others beliefs .

Churches aren't forced, so there is no problem is there.

^HF, why do you want to deny me the right to marry my partner?

I know but with the things we are seeing in the news lately such as the B&B abd Christian cake shop being targeted it just makes me think that the next target will be for the churches to approached .

Equality should be for everyone .

hmmm christian b&b's are now at risk of being sued by militant queers, Christian bakeries are at risk of being sued by militant queers but no one is being forced to accedt queer is normal...

we seem to have a contradiction here....

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Churches aren't forced, so there is no problem is there.

^HF, why do you want to deny me the right to marry my partner?

I know but with the things we are seeing in the news lately such as the B&B abd Christian cake shop being targeted it just makes me think that the next target will be for the churches to approached .

Equality should be for everyone .

queers don't want equality... love you baby xx

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Churches aren't forced, so there is no problem is there.

^HF, why do you want to deny me the right to marry my partner?

I know but with the things we are seeing in the news lately such as the B&B abd Christian cake shop being targeted it just makes me think that the next target will be for the churches to approached .

Equality should be for everyone .

Totally different, the B&B and cake shop are businesses catering to the public and shouldn't be allowed to discriminate.

Churches and other religious institutions have their own doctrines and rules and it is for them to decide who can and cannot be married in their premises. This is enshrined in law explicitly, so no problem right.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

I know but with the things we are seeing in the news lately such as the B&B abd Christian cake shop being targeted it just makes me think that the next target will be for the churches to approached .

Equality should be for everyone .

queers don't want equality... love you baby xx

You see VoD, he can't help but use offensive language, even when I'm not- its his nature, but defend away...

HF, why do you want to deny me the right to marry my partner?

nope just another example of queers pushing their own queer agenda but somehow we have gay only hotels and resorts..

hypocrisy not when you are queer it seems...