White people are racist, but can't handle being called racist: the theory of white fragility

by eddie Sun May 17, 2015 10:16 am

First topic message reminder :

I'm not going to post the whole article here (I find that long c&ps are tedious)but I will take the parts, that to me, are relevant:

Robin DiAngelo was right out of college when she started thinking about it. She'd landed a job leading workshops on racism. And she met a man who became very angry, and pounded on a table. He said white people are the target of discrimination, white people can’t even find jobs anymore.

DiAngelo looked around the office and she saw nothing but white people, all of them with jobs.

"It was unnerving," she says now. "It was like, 'This is not rooted in any racial reality that is happening, in this room, in this workplace, or in this man’s life.' And yet, these feelings are real. His rage is real. How do we do that?"

Meaning: How do white people see themselves as the victims of racism, when the world around them shows something totally different?

DiAngelo worked for years doing racism workshops, wondering this. Eventually, she developed a theory.

"I started thinking about how fragile our sensibilities are when it comes to race," she says

But that doesn’t stop us from forming opinions, many of them strongly held. And one of the biggest ones is about what racism means, and who is racist.

"The number one most effective adaptation of racism over time," DiAngelo says, "is the good/bad binary, this idea that a racist is a bad person and a good person is not racist. And so it’s about individuals who are either good or bad or who either do or don’t engage."

One of the side effects is that many white people come to believe that if they just don’t talk about or think about race, then they are not racist.

"Racism comes out of our pores as white people. It's the way that we are."
Then, if someone comes along and talks about racism the way DiAngelo does – that racism is a system of oppression. That anyone can be prejudiced, but in America, only white people are racist. And, actually, all white people are racist because, as DiAngelo says:

"Racism comes out of our pores as white people. It's the way that we are."

Almost any defensiveness that you get from a white person trying to talk about racism is rooted in that good/bad binary," DiAngelo says. "They hear you saying, 'You are a bad person.'"

The flip side, DiAngelo says if you think of yourself as one of the “good” white people, you think you’ve got it down. You see the latest person caught on camera using the "n-word," that’s what racism is to you. Whatever you’re doing isn’t racist.

And so you don’t think about the whiteness of your neighborhood, your school system or your office.....

http://stateofopportunity.michiganradio.org/post/why-all-white-people-are-racist-cant-handle-being-called-racist-theory-white-fragility

A very interesting article actually, but for me, this is the crux of what I am always saying:

Almost any defensiveness that you get from a white person trying to talk about racism is rooted in that good/bad binary," DiAngelo says. "They hear you saying, 'You are a bad person.'"

The flip side, DiAngelo says if you think of yourself as one of the “good” white people, you think you’ve got it down. You see the latest person caught on camera using the "n-word," that’s what racism is to you. Whatever you’re doing isn’t racist.

And so you don’t think about the whiteness of your neighborhood, your school system"

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 6:52 pm

the problem being ...those who are trying to fix the problem are like electricians trying to fix a tottering bridge....

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 7:00 pm

darknessss wrote:the problem being ...those who are trying to fix the problem are like electricians trying to fix a tottering bridge....

But again you fail to look at the root cause.
I do not deny their solution is not the best approach, but you are blaming an attempt to find a solution and not the cause of the problem.

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 7:06 pm

agreed , but realistically a "better solution" needs to be found...

since the present one, whilst maintaining a semblance of fairness and "loking all nice" is actually stoking resentment.

it is GENERATING the very thing its supposed to be solving...

White people are racist, but can't handle being called racist: the theory of white fragility - Page 2 2190311264

White people are racist, but can't handle being called racist: the theory of white fragility - Page 2 2190311264

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 7:08 pm

darknessss wrote:agreed , but realistically a "better solution" needs to be found...

since the present one, whilst maintaining a semblance of fairness and "loking all nice" is actually stoking resentment.

it is GENERATING the very thing its supposed to be solving...

i agree a better solution needs to be found, never denied that, but the fact of the matter is the original problem should not even need to exist in the first place, sadly it does.

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 8:12 pm

again agreed, but in reality its never going to happen

whilst most racism is taught (handed from one generatin and group to another)
there is always going to be an element of spontaneous racism, at least for the forseeable future, and unfortunately again the "cures" we have in place will be a generator of such....
granted you can argue that when racism ceases to be a problem you can remove such ideas BUT when the cure is generating part of the problem in its own right how do you EVER get to that point of "no need"??

It's almost a classic "self fulfilling prophesy"

by Tommy Monk Mon May 18, 2015 8:27 pm

While we are constantly told that we are all the same, it will also constantly be seen by people that we aren't...

Noticing differences is not racism... it is just seeing what is evident.

by Lone Wolf Mon May 18, 2015 9:04 pm

THE whole concept of white racism, "white fragility", and 'whites' somehow being worse than any so-called 'blacks' and 'coloureds' is pure garbage, [relatively speaking..].

VISIT my part of the world, and you will find that the most racist countries [and governments] are Asian..

ESPECIALLY the Malaysians. Many of those inbred ingrates could put a good ol' boy USofA Southerner gent to shame, truth be told..

Malaysians, Japanese, Indonesians, Koreans; even certain portions of the Indian sub-continent and Pakistan ~ ALL of these at different times insist on proving themselves to be far more racist than their Aussie and Kiwi neighbours, or any of the nearby South Pacific Islanders.

ONE only has to look at how much worse the Jap's treated the Vietnamese, Koreans and ethnic Chinese before and during WWII..

AND THEN there's the way that both Indonesia and Malaysia treat foreign drug traffickers ~ and yet at the same time, freely allow drug dealers and drug bosses to continue their trade unhindered...
AND let's not mention the relatively light sentences given to Jemaal Islamiyeh terrorists. Basketball

by veya_victaous Mon May 18, 2015 11:48 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:All people are racist but it is only ever whites who get accused of it and blamed for it!!!

Maybe I should clarify, I mean people of all races can be racist... not all people of all races are racist...

Yes that is 100% correct

As Wolf said there is a lot of Racism in Asia.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 18, 2015 11:53 pm

But here in UK, the idea that only whites can be racist is so heavily promoted that it has almost become a religious belief to some...

by veya_victaous Mon May 18, 2015 11:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:While we are constantly told that we are all the same, it will also constantly be seen by people that we aren't...

Noticing differences is not racism... it is just seeing what is evident.

but there is also the other side
we are different but the same
and the fact we are all different also means that not all Muslims(etc) are the same either.

It is nothing Innate about races.. we can see in Australia were people of many races are born but get the same education and health care etc that we all have the same potential

But here in UK, the idea that only whites can be racist is so heavily promoted that it has almost become a religious belief to some...

Well Brits are so racist they are even against whites it seems Laughing

@Dark
the solution that works is time
Your generation is resentful the future generation it will just be, the best way to end racism is just exposure to other races.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 12:28 am

"...but there is also the other side
we are different but the same..."

different racial groups share similarities between them that make them different from other racial groups.

and the fact we are all different also means that not all Muslims(etc) are the same either.

different races but much the same belief system and ideology as they all follow the same guide book.

It is nothing Innate about races.. we can see in Australia were people of many races are born but get the same education and health care etc that we all have the same potential

while resulting in differing outcomes, again showing undeniable racial divides in overall results

by Ben Reilly Tue May 19, 2015 1:01 am

Tommy Monk wrote:"...but there is also the other side
we are different but the same..."

different racial groups share similarities between them that make them different from other racial groups.

and the fact we are all different also means that not all Muslims(etc) are the same either.

different races but much the same belief system and ideology as they all follow the same guide book.

It is nothing Innate about races.. we can see in Australia were people of many races are born but get the same education and health care etc that we all have the same potential

while resulting in differing outcomes, again showing undeniable racial divides in overall results

Your problem is that you attribute bad things that people of non-white races do to their skin color, but you would never dream of treating white people that way. Look at how you go on about "Asian grooming gangs" and leave out the majority who don't do that, leave out the ones who condemn it, etc. You can't just pick a negative characteristic you see in some minority-ethnicity people and ascribe it to all of them, that's racism.

It's like you understand that white people aren't conspiring with each other but you just can't see how other races aren't conspiring with each other, either.

by veya_victaous Tue May 19, 2015 1:08 am

Tommy Monk wrote:"...but there is also the other side
we are different but the same..."

different racial groups share similarities between them that make them different from other racial groups. not really there is just as many similarities between people of differing ethnic groups, it is actually pretty irrelevant as whites black or yellow can be almost the same in the mind. there are people i went to school with of other races that i have much more in common with than people that happen to be of my race... where you were raised seem to have a much bigger effect then skin colour

and the fact we are all different also means that not all Muslims(etc) are the same either.

different races but much the same belief system and ideology as they all follow the same guide book. LOLZ that is dumb it is a vague guide no different than the bible so are you saying raggs is the same are an abortions clinic bomber?

It is nothing Innate about races.. we can see in Australia were people of many races are born but get the same education and health care etc that we all have the same potential

while resulting in differing outcomes, again showing undeniable racial divides in overall results

UMM no they have the same out come tongue

, so all your points are in fact wrong. the problem is Britain seem to teach hate so everyone there regardless of there skin colour learns hate... See you are just like the British Jihadi because you were both raised in hate-filled ignorance

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 1:11 am

It's not 'Asian grooming gangs'... it is large numbers of Paki Muslim gangs raping white British children...

by Ben Reilly Tue May 19, 2015 2:09 am

Tommy Monk wrote:It's not 'Asian grooming gangs'... it is large numbers of Paki Muslim gangs raping white British children...

"Large numbers," huh? How about actual numbers?

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 2:49 am

Well... in rotherham alone there is evidence of systematic and wide spread rape and abuse of over1400 white British children over a ten year period by almost exclusively Paki Muslims... each child suffering multiple abuses by a wider network of Paki Muslims, both from the local area and also having been transported to various other towns and cities for large numbers of other Paki Muslims to have a go too at raping and abusing these poor unfortunate children!!!

All of which was happening with the knowledge of the local council, The police, social services and other local authorities in rotherham.

Now that is one town in UK over a ten year period, with a known number of child rape victims of these Paki Muslim rape gangs being at 1400 (the true figure likely to be much higher).

Then when you consider that The total population of rotherham is around 250,000... but Muslim population of rotherham is only around 3% or 7500...

So 1400 white British children were systematically raped and abused by multiple Paki Muslim men each over a ten year period... in a town consisting of only 7500 Muslims (half of whom were women)...

And those children were also transported to various other towns and cities to suffer the same rape and abuse from other large numbers of Paki Muslims...

That is only one town in UK... there is plenty of evidence of the same shit happening up and down the country and evidence of it also happening with the full knowledge of local councils, police, social services and other local authorities... and also almost exclusively being carried out by Paki Muslims against white British children!!!

Muslims only make up about 3% of UK population.

But these child rape gangs are over 95% Paki Muslim.

Please check out the facts and try to prove me wrong... PLEASE!!!

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 2:55 am

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 2:59 am

by veya_victaous Tue May 19, 2015 3:16 am

@TM
the issue is BRITISH (an no where near 95% of british Peados are Muslim that Gang makes about 3% of britsh peados,)
you have one gang of British Muslims of Pakistani decent and Fuck tones of White British Peados so many they make up the UK's Political elite.. it was so just accepted by British people that rich Brits fuck kids.

BBC that children who were swept up in this VIP ring were brutally abused, and would be attacked if they did not obey the men who were holding them hostage. He also describes what appears to have been a fairly brazen operation: "People who drove us around could come forward. Staff in some of the locations could come forward. There are so many people who must have had suspicions. We weren't smuggled in under a blanket through the back door. It was done openly and people must have questioned that and they need to come forward."

http://www.vice.com/read/behind-anonymouss-operation-to-reveal-britains-elite-child-rape-syndicate-273

As last week's horrifying news from France dominated the European and global news cycles, much of the media's attention toward the growing allegations of British political elite being involved in a ring of child rape has notably subsided. Online, however, a group of activists—some associated with the hacktivist group Anonymous—have been pushing for more attention to be brought to this deeply unsettling issue percolating in the UK. Their efforts are being organized under the hashtag banner of #OpDeathEaters.

In December, Scotland Yard made the shocking admission that new allegations pertaining to the rape and murder of young boys by so-called VIPs in Britain's political world are true.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 3:25 am

The Alex Jay report into the Rotherham sexual abuse scandal has revealed a catalogue of failures from 1997 and 2013.
1,400 children from the ages of eleven to sixteen were sexually abused and exploited by gangs of Asian men over a period of sixteen years.
In 2008, Rotherham received the Local Government Chronicle award for its management of children’s services, while all these active failures to protect children were running in the background.
Dr Sonia Sharpe the Strategic Director of Children and Young People’s Services was allegeded enjoying the spotlight of her success while we now know, children were suffering in silence.
During that same year 2008, Razwan Razaq, Rotherham, was having sex with two under-age 13 year old girls. Razaq later went on to be jailed as one of the Rotherham 5 in 2010 for sexually abusing 3 teenage girls.
You can read the exclusive guest post by a Sheffield Juror who sat on a Rotherham case that saw five men convicted. In the court room all was not well as more failures unfold. Case here
How the judiciary system treats cases of child sexual abuse is clearly shown as the Juror highlights inadequate police handling, to the evidence supplied. The audio recordings were of such poor quality, the case had to be adjourned several times while transcripts were sought and supplied to the jury. The victims were present as problems arose in the court room adding more distress to an already traumatic experience.

This abuse was happening right under the neglectful eye of the same award-winning council Rotherham, who knew 17-year-old Laura Wilson was at risk from the predatory gangs, six years prior to her murder in 2010.
Rotherham social services received information about adults suspected of targeting Laura from as young as eleven years old. They did not act on it.
Laura Wilson was brutely stabbed and murdered by Ashtiaq Ashgar who is now serving a life sentence. The murder of Laura left behind her child, a little girl, Alicia who will grow up without her mother. Another life that will inevitably be affected by those failures. The family who have lost their daughter Laura, are also affected.

The police during this, were no strangers to the risks faced by young girls who feared for their families safety, but also for their own lives and safety. The police failed to protect the children over the years, as a familiar pattern emerges. One that became a major focus as calls echo across the country demanding the resignation of the now police commissioner, Shaun Wright.
Wright, the Labour cabinet member for children and young people’s services at Rotherham council from 2005 to 2010, is facing further allegations that suggest he was aware of the problems and failed to act on reports he was given during his time in council. Wright went from a position of failures to a position within the police where he would further the injustices for each of those 1,400 victims.

Maybe you should look up the independent inquiry report by professor Alex Jay on the issues in rotherham...

And Veya... you are clearly a c u n t !!!

by veya_victaous Tue May 19, 2015 4:40 am

Tommy Monk wrote:The Alex Jay report into the Rotherham sexual abuse scandal has revealed a catalogue of failures from 1997 and 2013.
1,400 children from the ages of eleven to sixteen were sexually abused and exploited by gangs of Asian men over a period of sixteen years.
In 2008, Rotherham received the Local Government Chronicle award for its management of children’s services, while all these active failures to protect children were running in the background.
Dr Sonia Sharpe the Strategic Director of Children and Young People’s Services was allegeded enjoying the spotlight of her success while we now know, children were suffering in silence.
During that same year 2008, Razwan Razaq, Rotherham, was having sex with two under-age 13 year old girls. Razaq later went on to be jailed as one of the Rotherham 5 in 2010 for sexually abusing 3 teenage girls.
You can read the exclusive guest post by a Sheffield Juror who sat on a Rotherham case that saw five men convicted. In the court room all was not well as more failures unfold. Case here
How the judiciary system treats cases of child sexual abuse is clearly shown as the Juror highlights inadequate police handling, to the evidence supplied. The audio recordings were of such poor quality, the case had to be adjourned several times while transcripts were sought and supplied to the jury. The victims were present as problems arose in the court room adding more distress to an already traumatic experience.

This abuse was happening right under the neglectful eye of the same award-winning council Rotherham, who knew 17-year-old Laura Wilson was at risk from the predatory gangs, six years prior to her murder in 2010.
Rotherham social services received information about adults suspected of targeting Laura from as young as eleven years old. They did not act on it.
Laura Wilson was brutely stabbed and murdered by Ashtiaq Ashgar who is now serving a life sentence. The murder of Laura left behind her child, a little girl, Alicia who will grow up without her mother. Another life that will inevitably be affected by those failures. The family who have lost their daughter Laura, are also affected.

The police during this, were no strangers to the risks faced by young girls who feared for their families safety, but also for their own lives and safety. The police failed to protect the children over the years, as a familiar pattern emerges. One that became a major focus as calls echo across the country demanding the resignation of the now police commissioner, Shaun Wright.
Wright, the Labour cabinet member for children and young people’s services at Rotherham council from 2005 to 2010, is facing further allegations that suggest he was aware of the problems and failed to act on reports he was given during his time in council. Wright went from a position of failures to a position within the police where he would further the injustices for each of those 1,400 victims.

Maybe you should look up the independent inquiry report by professor Alex Jay on the issues in rotherham...

And Veya... you are clearly a c u n t !!!

And So are you tongue

What you Don't like it when someone points out The TRUTH that there Percentage of White British Peados is HIGHER than Muslims peados... That not only that THE HIGHEST Representatives in Britain the Ones that are meant to be holding up social values Elected by their fellow Brits are Peados too

1400 while that is bad it is over 16 years that is a fraction of the 2800 British children being protected form sexual assault EVERY YEAR over the same time period, 44800 Children where sexually abused in Britain SO Muslim Child abusers equate to about 3% of the Total Number of Child Abusers in Britain.. which is About the proportion of the total population they are Rolling Eyes

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-abuse-and-neglect/child-sexual-abuse/sexual-abuse-facts-statistics/

Explanation:

There were 2,884 children in the UK on child protection registers or the subject of child protection plans under a category that included sexual abuse on 31 March 2014 (or 31 July 2014 in Scotland). This equates to 5% of all the children on child protection registers or the subject of child protection plans. This is based on figures from each UK nation and includes all categories that include sexual abuse. These figures represent children identified and assessed as being at ongoing risk of significant harm from sexual abuse.

Children on the child protection register or subject to a child protection plan due to sexual abuse by nation:

England: 2,210
Northern Ireland: 226
Scotland: 218
Wales: 230

SUCK IT UP TM
You want to blame a Whole group for a crime of a small proportion
WELL YOUR GROUP is Just as Guilty and has the same proportion Suspect

YOU ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS THE AVERAGE Muslim IN THE UK

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 1:05 pm

You are twisting the figures.

The 1400 was a low estimate for only one town (with a relatively small total Muslim population of only about 7000, not all of them Pakis, and half of them being women so a town with only about 2000 Paki Muslim men).

These children were all systematically raped and abused, each by multiple attackers, some more than 100 different men, and even transported to other towns and cities for others to rape and abuse them.

Each one victim had multiple Paki Muslim attackers, compared to most victims only having one attacker, plus the 1400 was a low estimate for only one town.

So your claim that over the same time period, 44800 Children where sexually abused in Britain and only 1400 were by Paki Muslims and that is about 3%, same as national population is completely flawed.

They were beaten and threatened with weapons and death, even having their families threatened.

This all happening with The knowledge of local police and social services and other authorities.

This is the tip of the iceberg with evidence of similar shit happening up and down the country.

The full scale of this problem is still being covered up.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 1:20 pm

The three important factors you are failing to include in your calculations are;

1) While most victims of child sexual abuse only have one attacker, these victims were each raped and abused by multiple attackers, some over a hundred different men. So each one victim equals multiple different Paki Muslim rapists.

2) The 1400 figure was for only one town and a low end estimate. When you multiply this figure by a number of other towns and cities where we know this has been happening you can see a huge number of victims and an even bigger number of Paki Muslim attackers, as each victim had multiple attackers as I have already explained in point 1.

3) This has been happening with the full knowledge of local police, councils, social services and child protection authorities. And even now this has become public knowledge, we have still seen 'only a few' arrests and prosecutions of the known offenders, and none of the 'officials' who were complicit in it all being prosecuted or even losing their jobs.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 1:34 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
The three important factors you are failing to include in your calculations are;

1) While most victims of child sexual abuse only have one attacker, these victims were each raped and abused by multiple attackers, some over a hundred different men. So each one victim equals multiple different Paki Muslim rapists.

2) The 1400 figure was for only one town and a low end estimate. When you multiply this figure by a number of other towns and cities where we know this has been happening you can see a huge number of victims and an even bigger number of Paki Muslim attackers, as each victim had multiple attackers as I have already explained in point 1.

3) This has been happening with the full knowledge of local police, councils, social services and child protection authorities. And even now this has become public knowledge, we have still seen 'only a few' arrests and prosecutions of the known offenders, and none of the 'officials' who were complicit in it all being prosecuted or even losing their jobs.

So at best your figure can only account for about a hundred men then?
You do realsie the same men can be the culprits with all the victims and again may cross over into other towns?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28971058

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 1:42 pm

Fuck you dodge...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 1:45 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Fuck you dodge...

So in other words you really are talking out of your backside.

Now I can certainly speculate going off intelligence from the Ceop report:

Ceop received intelligence from 31 out of 43 police forces on groups like this who were known or suspected to have abused vulnerable children in 2012.

There were 57 such groups, ranging from two to 25 suspects, on the radar of those 31 constabularies. We don’t know if any have now been convicted.
So-called “Type 2″ groups – where the offenders have a long-standing sexual interest in children, were much less common. Only seven known or suspected paedophile rings were reported to Ceop.

Now at top estimate in group one would be 1425 people (meaning 25 in each type one group, which is unlikely) of which we know this would have to be around a third of this number as asian. So straight away the estimates do not fit any pattern you are claiming Tommy. At worst estimate, this would place around approx 475.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 1:55 pm

Fuck you dodge...

Are you seriously saying that the same 100 men in rotherham were responsible for the rape and abuse of children 16 years ago as the most recent known victims attackers!?

Or that the same 100 were responsible for the attacks on all 1400 children in rotherham!?

Stop trying to deflect to protect your favourite Paki Muslim child rapists...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 1:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Fuck you dodge...
Are you seriously saying that the same 100 men in rotherham were responsible for the rape and abuse of children 16 years ago as the most recent known victims attackers!?Or that the same 100 were responsible for the attacks on all 1400 children in rotherham!? Stop trying to deflect to protect your favourite Paki Muslim child rapists...

I am going off known data by the Police based in the victims testimony in many areas. So am not going to fuck off anywhere which just proves you have no case for what you are claiming. The numbers are still very big even if we go off a top estimate and a proplem of that needs to be addressed. The problem was the council the social workers and the Police let these victims down, which never should have happened. You seem upset the numbers would not be higher, whcih shows you are only arguing here to make some racist agenda. As why else would you be so upset your maths does not work out? Nobody is denying there is a problem within the Pakistani community of some sex offenders. You though seem to want to use this to promote hate against all of them, hence by your replies.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 2:20 pm

You are going off police reports... the same police who knew about what was happening and let it carry on... the same police who actually arrested a father after he found out where his daughter was being raped and went there to try to rescue her...!!!

Ok dodge...

Fuck you!!!

http://news.sky.com/story/1325098/rotherham-girl-abused-by-hundreds-of-men

"I trusted them, they were my friends as I saw it, until one night my main perpetrator raped me, quite brutally as well, in front of a number of people.
"From then on I would get raped once a week, every week."
'Different men'
She says her abusers began to force her to have sex with "whoever wanted to come and have sex with me".
Speaking to BBC Panorama, she tells of one incident when she was taken to a flat, locked inside a bedroom and repeatedly raped by different men.
"I just had to sit and wait until they sent man after man in and whatever they wanted, I had to give them," she says.

She says she was raped "once a week, every week" until she was 15, that police "lost" clothing she had given to them as evidence and that she had feared for her family's safety.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28949188

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2015/05/02/sex-abuse-gangs-in-black-country-significant-similarities-to-rotherham-scandal-say-police/

Only a proper c u n t would still try to down play and/or deflect away from the seriousness of and the now publicly known widespread and systematic rape and abuse of white British children by Paki Muslims up and down the country and with The complicity of police, councils, social workers and other child protection authorities.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 2:26 pm

No I am going off the data collated that the victims have provided gathered by the Police.

So am not going to fuck off.
Man someone is very upset.,

So are you suggesting that all these victims were now lying after all then Matti?
Is that what youi are claiming?
best you make up your mind, seems you are as appalling as those who let them down, now not believeing the victims

I am not down playing anything.

How many gangs?

The [url=http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/CEOP_TACSEA2013_240613 FINAL.pdf]Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre[/url] (Ceop) – the national anti-paedophile police command – divides networks of sex offenders into two groups.
So-called “Type 1 offenders” target young people “on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children”.
Ceop received intelligence from 31 out of 43 police forces on groups like this who were known or suspected to have abused vulnerable children in 2012.
White people are racist, but can't handle being called racist: the theory of white fragility - Page 2 28_ceop_2

White people are racist, but can't handle being called racist: the theory of white fragility - Page 2 28_ceop_2

There were 57 such groups, ranging from two to 25 suspects, on the radar of those 31 constabularies. We don’t know if any have now been convicted.
So-called “Type 2″ groups – where the offenders have a long-standing sexual interest in children, were much less common. Only seven known or suspected paedophile rings were reported to Ceop.
It is possible to track cases that have been through the courts via media reports, although this is pretty unscientific.
In 2011 the Times journalist Andrew Norfolk identified 17 cases that had led to convictions where there had been a similar pattern of grooming.
In all cases, the victims were vulnerable teenage girls, often in the care of social services. They were approached on the street by men, befriended and plied with alcohol or drugs, before being sexually abused.

Updating the list to include more recent convictions that fit the same pattern, we find that there have been at least 27 similar cases in the last decade.
By date of conviction, we have evidence of such exploitation taking place in Keighley (2005 and 2013), Blackpool (2006), Oldham (2007 and 2008), Blackburn (2007, 2008 and 2009), Sheffield (2008), Manchester (2008 and 2013) Skipton (2009), Rochdale (two cases in 2010, one in 2012 and another in 2013), Nelson (2010), Preston (2010) Rotherham (2010) Derby (2010), Telford (2012), Bradford (2012), Ipswich (2013), Birmingham (2013), Oxford (2013), Barking (2013) and Peterborough (2013).
This is based on a trawl of news sources so is almost certainly incomplete.

Race and religion

The Jay report into failings in Rotherham says: “By far the majority of perpetrators were described as Asian by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue.
“Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”
Ceop data about the ethnicity of offenders and suspects identified by those 31 police forces in 2012 is incomplete.
The unit says: “All ethnicities were represented in the sample. However, a disproportionate number of offenders were reported as Asian.”

Of 52 groups where ethnicity data was provided, 26 (50 per cent) comprised all Asian offenders, 11 (21 per cent) were all white, 9 (17 per cent) groups had offenders from multiple ethnicities, 4 (8 per cent) were all black offenders and there were 2 (4 per cent) exclusively Arab groups.
Of the 306 offenders whose ethnicity was noted, 75 per cent were categorised as Asian, 17 per cent white, and the remaining 8 per cent black (5 per cent) or Arab (3 per cent).
By contrast, the seven “Type 2 groups” – paedophile rings rather than grooming gangs – “were reported as exclusively of white ethnicity”.
Ceop identified 144 victims of the Type 1 groups. Again, the data was incomplete. Gender was mentioned in 118 cases. All were female. Some 97 per cent of victims were white.
Girls aged between 14 and 15 accounted for 57 per cent of victims. Out of 144 girls, 100 had “at least one identifiable vulnerability” like alcohol or drug problems, mental health issues or a history of going missing. More than half of the victims were in local authority care.
The 27 court cases that we found led to the convictions of 92 men. Some 79 (87 per cent) were reported as being of South Asian Muslim origin.
Three were white Britons, two were Indian, three were Iraqi Kurds, four were eastern European Roma and one was a Congolese refugee, according to reports of the trials.
Considerable caution is needed when looking at these numbers, as our sample is very unscientific. There are grooming cases we will have missed, and there will undoubtedly be offences that have not resulted in convictions.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-grooming-gangs/18739

So at least I am going off data collected from the victims.
You are just inventing the amount you think has done so based off no methodology or even any evididence.

The fact is you know you do not have a leg to stand on, hence your continual abuse and throwing your dummy out because your claims are nothing more than bollocks.
At no point have I downplayed the seriousness of this problem. You though as seen want to abuse the victims further by using them to further your racist agenda.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 2:36 pm

Stop twisting twat.

The police, councils, social services etc have all been complicit in these crimes and actively involved in covering them up.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 2:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Stop twisting twat.
The police, councils, social services etc have all been complicit in these crimes and actively involved in covering them up.

So you are claiming that what the victims provided in regards to the identity of abusers is now all lies then?
best you make up your mind on that.
How do you think the Police have been able to make arressts and convictions Matti?
You have 17 trials there which has led to convictions and even that number falls way short of your claims. So the Police have an idea of the amount of gangs, they are also not covering up anything now since this has all come to light and this data has been collatted from the victims, from two reports made on grooming.
You areally have been exposed for talking aload of bollocks here.

by eddie Tue May 19, 2015 2:43 pm

Nems wrote:That's almost saying only whites can be racist.
All people can be racist.

Yes indeed but it is also saying ALL whites are racist....and the last paragraph is what sums it up to me, in a nutshell, all those lefty whites that claim they aren't.....??

"The flip side, DiAngelo says if you think of yourself as one of the “good” white people, you think you’ve got it down. You see the latest person caught on camera using the "n-word," that’s what racism is to you. Whatever you’re doing isn’t racist.

And so you don’t think about the whiteness of your neighborhood, your school system""

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 2:46 pm

eddie wrote:
Nems wrote:That's almost saying only whites can be racist.
All people can be racist.

Yes indeed but it is also saying ALL whites are racist....and the last paragraph is what sums it up to me, in a nutshell, all those lefty whites that claim they aren't.....??

Just because someone claims something Eddie, does not mean they are correct.
She makes some good and bad points all very subjective.
Again myself I grew up in an area of high ethnic minorities.
I also once later turned to being racist for a short time.

by eddie Tue May 19, 2015 2:46 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:All people are racist but it is only ever whites who get accused of it and blamed for it!!!

Maybe I should clarify, I mean people of all races can be racist... not all people of all races are racist...

Yes that is 100% correct

As Wolf said there is a lot of Racism in Asia.

British Asians are terribly racist toward eachother!!

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 2:58 pm

And Paki Muslim child rape gangs almost exclusively targeted white British children...

The lefties would be screaming 'racism' from the rooftops if it was gangs of whites targeting only Paki Muslims...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 3:01 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:And Paki Muslim child rape gangs almost exclusively targeted white British children...

The lefties would be screaming 'racism' from the rooftops if it was gangs of whites targeting only Paki Muslims...

And some racists seem to want to ignore all child sex abuse:

Now over 38,000 offenders profiled

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 3:18 pm

And a around a third of all child sex abusers are men who target ONLY boys...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 3:22 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:And a around a third of all child sex abusers are men who target ONLY boys...

Here we go again, how many times have you gotten this wrong?

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 3:24 pm

None!

You don't like the truth do you dodge...!?

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 3:27 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:None!

You don't like the truth do you dodge...!?

You mean when I countless times correct you as I have done on this.
You debated this before on here and screwed up as you have done so on this thread.
Will you post the same mistake I wonder?

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 3:44 pm

Men are responsible for the overwhelming vast majority of child sex abuse.

"...60-70% of child sex offenders target girls only, about 20-33% boys only and about 10% target either sex..."

http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/statistics-on-child-sexual-abuse/

The high numbers of men who target only boys for sexual abuse is undeniable.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 3:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Men are responsible for the overwhelming vast majority of child sex abuse.
"...60-70% of child sex offenders target girls only, about 20-33% boys only and about 10% target either sex..."
http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/statistics-on-child-sexual-abuse/
The high numbers of men who target only boys for sexual abuse is undeniable.

I knew you would fuck up again:

"...60-70% of child sex offenders target girls only, about 20-33% boys only and about 10% target either sex..."

Where does it say all those who target boys are all men?
There is also an overlap in the maths if you did not see on both boys and girls.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 4:14 pm

Facts dodge facts...

Although the women responsible for child sex attacks on boys is a little higher than on girls, the overwhelming vast majority of child sex attacks is by men.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 4:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Facts dodge facts...

Although the women responsible for child sex attacks on boys is a little higher than on girls, the overwhelming vast majority of child sex attacks is by men.

So as stated your orignal claims was in "fact" wrong and based off your inability to read something correctly.

And a around a third of all child sex abusers are men who target ONLY boys...

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 4:34 pm

Considering homosexual men only account for about 0.5% of the national population... there are huge numbers of children being sexually attacked by men who target only boys...

Twist and turn it all you like dodge... but at least you have diverted the thread away from the huge numbers of Paki Muslims who have been raping and abusing white British children over the last couple of decades with The full knowledge of police, councils, social services etc and who all worked to cover up the crimes...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 4:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Considering homosexual men only account for about 0.5% of the national population... there are huge numbers of children being sexually attacked by men who target only boys...

Twist and turn it all you like dodge... but at least you have diverted the thread away from the huge numbers of Paki Muslims who have been raping and abusing white British children over the last couple of decades with The full knowledge of police, councils, social services etc and who all worked to cover up the crimes...

All you are doing is just making up things as you go along, even your numbers of the amount of Homosexuals as a percentage of the population is also wrong.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 4:43 pm

Nobody knows for sure so how can you be sure it is wrong?

I said about 0.5%...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 4:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Nobody knows for sure so how can you be sure it is wrong?

I said about 0.5%...

That is well below estimates.
Anyhow your claim was to put it bluntly utterly wrong.
You can either accept that or you do not, but I already knew you would make the same lame mistake as you did before and you still never learnt from the last two times you did before.

Never mind, how long again will it be, before you do the same again.

Cheers

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 5:09 pm

No mistakes from me dodge...

Facts!!!

lol!

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