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Labour campaigners 'keep reminding Jewish voters that Tory candidate is gay in bid to turn them against him'

Mike Freer is standing for Conservatives in Finchley and Golders Green
54-year-old claims Labour backers have raised his sexuality with voters
Mr Freer is openly gay and married to partner of 23 years, Angelo Crolla
Labour candidate tells him to contact police with 'any evidence' of claims

By Mark Duell for MailOnline

Published: 14:01, 6 May 2015 | Updated: 18:41, 6 May 2015



Labour campaigners are reminding Orthodox Jewish voters that their party’s Conservative rival in a key marginal seat is gay, it was claimed today.

Senior Tory Mike Freer, 54, has spoken of multiple incidents where Labour activists in the Finchley and Golders Green constituency in north London allegedly raised his sexuality with voters.

Mr Freer - who is openly gay and married to his partner of 23 years, Angelo Crolla - said the apparent tactic was a ‘desperate’ attempt by Labour to win a seat which he is the favourite to hold.


He told PinkNews: ‘We got a phone call in the office from a lady who said she had been canvassed by the Labour party. She wanted to know if it’s true if I was gay. I said “Yes, it’s not a secret”.’

Mr Freer said some of his Jewish councillors knocked doors later on - and three residents said they could no longer support him because he was gay, after this was brought up by Labour canvassers.


He explained that he was ‘not surprised’ by the apparent conduct of the Labour supporters, adding: ‘If they are having to do this, it just smacks of desperation that they are not cutting through.’

The Tory, who is standing for re-election as the local MP after winning the seat five years ago with a majority of almost 6,000, is the 4/6 favourite to emerge victorious from tomorrow’s vote.
Labour rival: Sarah Sackman urged Mr Freer to contact police if he has ‘any evidence’ to support the claims, adding: 'That is the proper way to deal with this'




But he admitted that his 11/10 Labour rival Sarah Sackman - who has been reducing his lead in a seat where Margaret Thatcher was once MP - might be unaware of her team’s alleged behaviour.
It just smacks of desperation that they are not cutting through
Mike Freer, Conservative candidate


She told PinkNews: ‘Homophobia has no place in our society or in an election. I publicly support equal marriage and LGBT rights.’

Finchley and Golders Green has the highest concentration of Jewish voters in London.

The Daily Mail’s report on tactical voting revealed how the 8,000 people who opted for the Liberal Democrats there in 2010 could tip the balance this year, and urged them to vote Conservative.






Their desperation knows no bounds

"EQUALITY" it seems....is merely a convenient by-word when it furthers their purpose

Not to mention the fact that its totally apt of course.

I could, alternately have talked just as validly of "the dark underbelly" of the left

Either is more interesting than the simple bare truth

the hypocrisy of the left

darknessss wrote:Not to mention the fact that its totally apt of course.

I could, alternately have talked just as validly of "the dark underbelly" of the left

Either is more interesting than the simple bare truth

the hypocrisy of the left

If the left is hypocritical, it's failed, and I welcome criticism on those terms. But you're fighting for tribalism, and I'll never accept that. Some of us have moved past that, you know.

There are those on the left or who espouse leftist ideology who are in the wrong, of course. The same tendency exists on the right, so I don't know that you're revolutionary or anything ...

shove it didge. Every time I say something the left dont like out come the SIXHIRB slurs.
When those who presume to claim the moral high ground show their true face, it proves what I say.
Their whole program is NOT about improving pepoles lives, but about gaining power over their lives. It is an iron fist in the velvet glove style of politics.

The reality is they dont like the light of day shining on their warts

I think, having read the thread
Game set and match to Darkness

New balls please

darknessss wrote:shove it didge. Every time I say something the left dont like out come the SIXHIRB slurs.
When those who presume to claim the moral high ground show their true face, it proves what I say.
Their whole program is  NOT about improving pepoles lives, but about gaining power over their lives. It is an iron fist in the velvet glove style of politics.

The reality is they dont like the light of day shining on their warts

No I am not going to shove it.
The simple fact is there is an element in society who are complete racist that wish to deny this and at every trun you are poorly defending this around a belief of where there is some that wrongly cast some people as racist. You are just making matters worse where ity should be right to cast those wrongly doing this, but you ofetn end up defending those inadvertently who are racist.
That is where you go wrong at every turn.
You do realsie that SIXHIRB is nothing more than for actual racists, homophobes etc to play this card wrongly thinking it shields them from rightly being cast as idiots.
It does not and its time you started to recognise that.
You are not the solutiuon but part of the problem.

Nems wrote:I think, having read the thread
Game set and match to Darkness

New balls please

Not that anyone made you judge to decide but again where you may well be on his side of views, leaves you in little position to judge and decide on any winner.
His views are just as intolerant and part of the problem
So you are welcome to your opinion, but it is just that, one that clearly fails to be impartial, as if it did it would see fault in parts of his arguments as well as seeing merit in some of them.

darknessss wrote:shove it didge. Every time I say something the left dont like out come the SIXHIRB slurs.
When those who presume to claim the moral high ground show their true face, it proves what I say.
Their whole program is  NOT about improving pepoles lives, but about gaining power over their lives. It is an iron fist in the velvet glove style of politics.

The reality is they dont like the light of day shining on their warts

I hope I've at least shown for myself I don't care to have power over others besides to prevent them from hurting their fellow man. And if I could trot out a new slur, could it be Grumpy Old Git? (GOG)

By Victor telling me to shove it proves his he is culpable to his own claims and shows he is contradicting his own points of view of tolerance.
That is what you call a poor argument.

so its now tribalism to object to the continued pandering to a minority, when the values of that minority are contrary to both law and good sense not to mention the supposed values of the left?
Its tribalism to object to the abrogation of the lefts values vis a vis gays?
hmmmmmm

sounds more like a case of do as i say, not as i do...

darknessss wrote:so its now tribalism to object to the continued pandering to a minority, when the values of that minority are contrary to both law and good sense not to mention the supposed values of the left?
Its tribalism to object to the abrogation of the lefts values vis a vis gays?
hmmmmmm

sounds more like a case of do as i say, not as i do...

We are all tribalistic in its basic forms, we do this in many of the ways we try to attract someone we like. These basic tribal views have never really left us.
Not everyone panders to a minority and sometimes a majority can also have bad ideas, which you fail to seem to grasp. So what you have to do is show what is right and wrong. Do you want me to show you examples of a majority that adhere to bad ideas?

Nemesis wrote:By Victor telling me to shove it proves his he is culpable to his own claims and shows he is contradicting his own points of view of tolerance.
That is what you call a poor argument.

They always resort to SIXHIRB when they're desperate

The same way a few people who carry water for the left came to resort to Sexist, Inbred, Xenophobic, Halitosis-having, Inbred, Recovering (alcholics) and Baby (-like) in response to their nonsense when they got tired of combatting their idiocy in the first place.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:By Victor telling me to shove it proves his he is culpable to his own claims and shows he is contradicting his own points of view of tolerance.
That is what you call a poor argument.

They always resort to SIXHIRB when they're desperate

The same way a few people who carry water for the left came to resort to Sexist, Inbred, Xenophobic, Halitosis-having, Inbred, Recovering (alcholics) and Baby (-like) in response to their nonsense when they got tired of combatting their idiocy in the first place.

That is way bugs me, he fails to understand when he inadvertently defends those are racist, homophobic, xenophobic etc. It is clear of those who are. Some points he has are valid, others as intolerant as what he claims to bemoan about.

I actually think Dark doesn't care about racism or bigotry in general. If I'm understanding what he is trying to say, he doesn't think tribalism is a bad thing at all. Maybe he'll just come out and admit it someday ...

I think every party use what ever they can to win or to cause the others to lose votes, it is a pity they cannot simply rely on their own abilities instead of slandering the others.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well yes. One does get the impression that the Labour party and its supporters think they're more virtuous than anyone else.

And one doesn't get that impression from literally every other political party under the sun?

Isn't that kind of the reason political parties exist?

Back to the OP, this is just a claim. If a Labour candidate made a similar claim about a Tory rival, guess what the Tories would be pointing out? That it's just a claim.

If the claim turns out to be true, however -- horrible.

Oh no Ben, one doesn't. It's kind of traditional in the UK that the Labour party is seen as the caring party of the people, and the Tories as the party of the rich and privileged. Obviously, it's not really like that, otherwise the Tories would never get in, but on the whole the Labour party is seen as the party which is more tolerant and caring. I don't think anyone would claim that UKIP is virtuous, even the party members themselves.

Ben_Reilly wrote:I actually think Dark doesn't care about racism or bigotry in general. If I'm understanding what he is trying to say, he doesn't think tribalism is a bad thing at all. Maybe he'll just come out and admit it someday ...

Tribalism exists everywhere, but it's called racism if it's perceived as "right wing" tribalism.

risingsun wrote:You are tying yourself in knots.   I have encountered all kinds of crummy tactics and outright lies by Tories and UKIP on the doorstep.  I'm afraid the story is mild in comparison and the candidate has done exactly the right thing.

See sassy this is where you just fall down.
They are all as bad as eachother.

When you realsie that you'll stop being so blindly biased.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:I actually think Dark doesn't care about racism or bigotry in general. If I'm understanding what he is trying to say, he doesn't think tribalism is a bad thing at all. Maybe he'll just come out and admit it someday ...

Tribalism exists everywhere, but it's called racism if it's perceived as "right wing" tribalism.

You can have left and right wing racists.

Nems wrote:I think, having read the thread
Game set and match to Darkness

New balls please

now there`s the nems i know and love

eddie wrote:

risingsun wrote:You are tying yourself in knots.   I have encountered all kinds of crummy tactics and outright lies by Tories and UKIP on the doorstep.  I'm afraid the story is mild in comparison and the candidate has done exactly the right thing.

See sassy this is where you just fall down.
They are all as bad as each other.

When you realsie that you'll stop being so blindly biased.

and that`s all she said, accurate ,succinct and completely true

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tribalism exists everywhere, but it's called racism if it's perceived as "right wing" tribalism.

You can have left and right wing racists.

LW racist`s ? examples please

korban dallas wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


You can have left and right wing racists.

LW racist`s ? examples please

Stalin through his policies is a fine example of racism towards the Poles, the Ukranians and countless other ethnic groups that he ordered shot and sent to camps or moved whole groups of people to other areas of the USSR.

The Nazis and BNP!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:The Nazis and BNP!!!

Neither are left wing.


You also have left wing groups that are antisemitic

have posted this before:



Information on the role of extreme leftists in promoting hatred of Jews and denial of the Holocaust.

History

Tyler Cowen, The Socialist Roots of Modern Anti-Semitism
Extreme left-wing movements have often vilified Jews as capitalist exploiters.
Max Geltman, On Socialist Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Many of the founders of socialism peddled hatred of Jews.
David Cesarani, The Left and the Jews/The Jews and the Left [PDF]
Detailed study of extreme left-wing antisemitism.

Ideologies

W. H. Chaloner and W. O. Henderson, Marx/Engels and Racism [PDF]
The origins of Marxist antisemitism.
Werner Cohn, From Victim to Shylock and Oppressor: The New Image of the Jew in the Trotskyist Movement
How the Trotskyist movement became antisemitic.
Mark Strauss, Antiglobalism’s Jewish Problem
Dave Rich, The Barriers Come Down: Antisemitism and Coalitions of Extremes
The ideological convergence of far-left anti-capitalists and far-right antisemites.
Ben Cohen, The Ideological Foundations of the Boycott Campaign Against Israel [PDF]
Why extreme left-wing anti-Zionists are in the vanguard of antisemitic boycott campaigns.
Arieh Stav, Notes on the Dialectics of Israeli Antisemitism [PDF]
Paul Bogdanor, Jews Who Hate the Jewish State / Juden, die den jüdischen Staat hassen
Steven Plaut, The Scourge of Jewish Anti-Semites [PDF]
How anti-Zionist Jews promote antisemitism, often quite deliberately.

Countries

- Soviet Union/Russia

A. Mark Clarfield, The Soviet “Doctors’ Plot”: 50 Years On
Moshe Decter, “Judaism Without Embellishment”: Recent Documentation of Russian Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Thomas Land, Moscow and Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Stan Crooke, The Stalinist Roots of Left Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Soviet antisemitic campaigns during the Cold War.
Russian Communist Leader Denounces “Zionist Capital”
Russia’s communists are still fomenting hatred of Jews in the post-Soviet era.

- Britain

Ben Cohen, The Persistence of Anti-Semitism on the British Left
Excellent analysis of extreme left-wing incitement against Jews in Britain.
Alan Elsner, Race, Tolerance and the NUS [PDF]
Jewish Students Charge Left Groups With Anti-Semitism
Jewish Students Gagged at Leeds
Campus far-leftists, who once banned Jewish student groups, now silence protests against their own bigotry.
Leo McKinstry, [url=http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/8463/Leo McKinstryShame-on-the-left-and-its-vicious-hatred-of-Israel]Shame on the Left and its Vicious Hatred of Israel[/url]
Radical leftist intellectuals have played a crucial part in making antisemitism respectable in Britain.
Socialist Worker: Jews Killed Jesus
Michael Ezra, Anyone But Tom Hickey
The Socialist Workers Party defends antisemites and supports the violent destruction of Israel.
Oliver Kamm, Atzmon Watch / Atzmon, Mosley and Respect / Keeping the Faith / Respect and Antisemitism
David Hirsh, Openly Embracing Prejudice
Atzmon Slams “Jewish Tribal Activists”
Yaniv Halily, The Protocols of Gilad Atzmon
The British far left’s scandalous promotion of an ex-Israeli antisemite.
Eran Benedek, Britain’s Respect Party: The Leftist-Islamist Alliance and its Attitude Toward Israel
British far leftists tried and failed to unite with Islamic extremists on the basis of shared hatred for Americans and Jews.
Mark Gardner, Routledge’s Journal of Contemporary Leftist Anti-Semitism
Antisemitic diatribes in a journal issued by a respected academic publisher.

- Other

Jillian Becker, The Red Army Faction: Another Final Battle on the Stage of History [PDF]
Susanne Urban, Being Leftist and Anti-Semitic in Germany
Extreme left-wing activists in Germany demand the destruction of Israel and blame Jews for global capitalism.
Karl Pfeifer, “Israel Shamir” and the Austrian Left
Austrian socialists promote a Nazi fanatic.
In Spain, Anti-Semitism is New Leftist Trend
Radical leftist politicians in Spain vilify Jews.
Chavez: Israel Worse Than Hitler
Anti-Semitism in Venezuela: It is Planned
Venezuelan extreme leftists threaten that Jews “will undergo another Holocaust.”
Philip Mendes, New Manifestations of Anti-Zionist Fundamentalism on the Australian Left [PDF]
An Unholy Alliance
Australian campus ultra-leftists are so blatantly antisemitic that their Muslim allies are embarrassed by them.
IsraCampus / [url=http://www.isracampus.org.il/ALEF Watch.htm]AlefWatch[/url]
Documenting the antisemitism of totalitarian ultra-leftists in Israel.

Publications

Counterpunch
Counterpunch on Israel and 9/11
Jeff Weintraub, Lunacy About Darfur (in Monthly Review)
Robert Goldberg, Do the Right Thing
Documenting antisemitism on American ultra-leftist sites.
Kate Raynes-Goldie, Race Baiting
Antisemitic McCarthyism in a Canadian ultra-leftist magazine.

Non-Jewish Antisemites

Daniel Berrigan’s Speech to Arabs Stirs a Furor Over Award [PDF]
Report on the notorious diatribe by militant priest Daniel Berrigan.
Jason Maoz, Coffin’s Mideast Conformity
The antisemitic rhetoric of radical icon William Sloane Coffin.
Norman Podhoretz, Vidal’s Outburst: An Ominous New Stage in Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Deplores left-wing indifference to Gore Vidal’s infamous essay in The Nation.
William Grim, The Strange Case of Horst Mahler
How a founder of Germany’s Red Army Faction turned into a prominent Nazi.
Mr. Nader’s Baiting
Ralph Nader warns that the Israeli “puppeteer” controls the White House and Congress.
Norway up in Arms After Author Asserts Israel Has Lost Right to Exist
Jostein Gaarder’s vicious outburst against “God’s chosen people.”
David Hirsh, John Wight, Organizer of Edinburgh Stop the War Coalition, Pushes Antisemitism
What is Going on in the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign?
British ultra-leftists cite neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers, blame “international Jewry” for the “hydra-headed monster” of Zionism, equate Judaism with Nazism and justify the murder of Jewish teenagers.
Geoffrey Alderman, An Old Enmity
Keith Dovkants, Anti-Semitism – and a Timely Question For Ken
Mayor Culpa [PDF]
The shocking record of former London Mayor Ken Livingstone and his antisemitic Trotskyist allies.

Jewish Antisemites

- North America

Rachel Neuwirth, The Chomsky File
The sordid record of the cult leader’s involvement with Jew-hatred.
Norman G. Finkelstein, Interview: A Man Sees Red
Norman G. Finkelstein, Interview: “Jews Are Immune From Any Kind of Criticism”
Deborah Passner, Norman Finkelstein’s Fraudulent Scholarship
Paul Bogdanor, Exchange: The Scholarship of Norman Finkelstein
Noam Chomsky’s disciple Norman G. Finkelstein dismisses the Holocaust as an extortion racket against Germany, says that Jews run America, compares Israelis with Nazis, justifies al-Qaeda, champions Hezbollah, speaks alongside Hamas supporters and gives interviews to Holocaust deniers.
Jonathan Kay, Trent University’s Problem Professor
Philosopher Michael Neumann admits to encouraging vicious antisemitism and the destruction of Israel.
Jeffrey Blankfort’s Hate Message
Sixties veteran Jeffrey Blankfort blames Zionism for the Holocaust and describes the existence of Israel as a “cancer” that threatens the future of the planet.
University of Michigan Distributes Anti-Zionist Book
According to former Green Party Senate candidate Joel Kovel, “the power-Jews have restored nothing so much as Moloch, the child-devouring shadow-form of Yahweh.”
David Hirsh, “I Get Accused of Antisemitism Because I Criticize Israel”
Academic activist Jennifer Loewenstein castigates the “the Neo-Jewish Masters and their allies in the United States” for the ritual sacrifice of human beings as a “burnt offering.”

- Europe/Australia

Banned Mag Storm [PDF]
The British magazine Return, edited by Uri Davis, Tony Greenstein and Roland Rance, equated Zionism and Judaism with Nazism. Jewish students and national student leaders condemned it as antisemitic.
Paul Bogdanor, The Mark Elf Files
British blogger Mark Elf portrays Zionists as ritual child-murderers and bloodthirsty psychopaths, looks forward to Israel’s destruction and warns that the world’s Jews are “heading for a disaster” thanks to their “grotesque culture of deceit.”
Jewish Pro-Palestinian in Hot Water For “Satanic” Israel Jibe
Boycott campaigner Deborah Fink regards the Jewish state as “Satanic.”
Michael Ezra, From Cranks to Clowns
Britain’s Jewish antisemites are now accusing each other of lying and bigotry.
Collaboration With the PLO: The Case of Abraham Melzer
German Court Rules on “Kosher Anti-Semitism”
Abraham Melzer, a publisher who sought funding from the PLO, and Hajo Meyer, an Auschwitz survivor who belittles the importance of the Holocaust, are Jewish antisemites according to the German courts.
Philip Mendes, Denying the Jewish Experience of Oppression: The Jewish Anti-Zionism of John Docker
Cultural critic John Docker inveighs against “Zionist control of the Australian media.”

- Israel

Steven Plaut, Uri Avnery Finds a “Fascist”
The fascist background of Israel’s most notorious PLO apologist.
Jonathan Rosenblum, An Israel Prize For Wagner?
The murderous rhetoric of Yigal Tumarkin and his comrades.
Paul Bogdanor, The Abominable Dr. Shahak
Paul Bogdanor, [url=http://www.isracampus.org.il/third level pages/Editorial - Paul Bogdanor - Israel Shahak.htm]The Legacy of Israel Shahak[/url]
Werner Cohn, Shahak: The Jews Are Bad!
Jason Maoz, The Wicked Son
The Blood Libels of Israel’s worst antisemite.
Alan Dershowitz, Neve Gordon Can’t Take Criticism
Susan L. Rosenbluth, Accusations of Slander, Plagiarism and Holocaust Revisionism [PDF]
Susan L. Rosenbluth, Prof Steven Plaut’s Appeal Reverses Earlier Ruling [PDF]
Neve Gordon defended the killers of Jewish children and then resorted to a Holocaust-denying judge to silence his critic Steven Plaut.
Steven Plaut, A Second Blood Libel Anti-Semite From Israeli Academia
Yehiam Sorek offers his support to discredited Blood Libel historian Ariel Toaff.

Left-Wing Holocaust Denial

Pierre Vidal-Naquet, The Fantastic Calculations of Paul Rassinier
French socialist Paul Rassinier was one of the first Holocaust deniers.
Pierre Vidal-Naquet, On La Vieille Taupe and Cannibalism
The far-left outfit La Vieille Taupe – led by Pierre Guillaume and Serge Thion – became a major source of Holocaust denial propaganda.
Abraham H. Foxman, Letter to The Nation
The Nation is caught running an ad for Holocaust deniers.
Oliver Kamm, Chomsky’s Outlets
Kamm exposes a Holocaust denier at Z Magazine.
Denying the Denial
CounterPunch has promoted and defended Holocaust deniers.
Professor Disputes Holocaust
Holocaust denial by 9/11 conspiracy theorist Jane Christensen.
Holocaust Denial on University of Haifa Chat List
Anti-Zionist Miriam Reik posts material supporting Holocaust deniers on an extreme leftist Israeli discussion list.
Adam Holland, Oregon “Peace” Group to Mark Kristallnacht With Holocaust Denial Conference
Oregon campus ultra-leftists commemorate an infamous Nazi pogrom by hosting an infamous Nazi apologist.

The “Zionist-Nazi Conspiracy” Myth

- History

US Holocaust Memorial Museum, Jewish Aid and Rescue
How Zionists saved tens of thousands of Jews from the Nazis.
Joint Emergency Committee, Program For the Rescue of Jews From Nazi-Occupied Europe
Zionist rescue demands during the Holocaust.
Zionists Debate Rescue of Hungarian Jews
Jewish Agency Receives Offer to Trade Jews for Trucks
The Brand Mission: Messages From the Jewish Agency [PDF]
Zionist Rescue Efforts: Records From the Eichmann Trial
Zionist attempts to save the Jews of Hungary.

- Origins

Soviet Antisemites on the Holocaust
The communist propaganda campaign blaming Zionists for the Holocaust.
Jacob Gewirtz, The Lie of Zionist-Nazi Collaboration [PDF]
Inevitably, the propaganda campaign inspired antisemites everywhere.
Sever Plocker, Zizek and the Zionist-Nazi Alliance
Former Yugoslav intellectual Slavoj Zizek has attempted to revive the conspiracy myth.
Sean Matgamna, With Hitler on the Road to Samara
A sane Marxist points out that the conspiracy myth is itself reminiscent of Nazi antisemitic propaganda.

- Lenni Brenner

C. C. Aronsfeld, Review of Zionism in the Age of the Dictators [PDF]
Louis Harap, “Zionist-Nazi Collaboration” Refuted: Lenni Brenner’s Trickery Exposed [PDF]
Michael Ezra, A Disputation With a Disputer
American Trotskyist Lenni Brenner echoed the Stalinist propaganda line on the Holocaust.
Brenner’s Complaint [PDF]
Bad Boy Brenner [PDF]
Mrs Brenner’s Boy [PDF]
Diatribe Against America, Jews and Israel
Lenni Brenner’s record of antisemitic activism.

- Jim Allen

A Curtain Call For Courting Perdition [PDF]
David Pryce-Jones, The Perdition Affair [PDF]
John O’Mahoney and Tony Greenstein, Exchange: The Perdition Affair [PDF]
Michael Ezra, Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign Remembers the Holocaust by Blaming the “Zionists”
Stan Crooke, “Anti-Zionist” Play Will Mark Holocaust Memorial Day
British Trotskyist Jim Allen promoted the conspiracy myth in his virulently antisemitic play Perdition.

- Tony Greenstein

Paul Bogdanor, Tony Greenstein and the Nazi Apologists
Michael Ezra, Questions For Tony Greenstein
Michael Ezra, Anti-Racists Against Anti-Zionists
Michael Ezra, Tony Greenstein: More Errors Than Paragraphs
British Trotskyist Tony Greenstein spreads falsehoods about Zionism and the Holocaust while praising antisemites and Nazi apologists.
Nigel Savage, Letter: Tony Greenstein [PDF]
Paul Bogdanor, Atzmon Versus Greenstein
Exchange: Greenstein, Stalin, Hitler
Exchange: Tony Greenstein on Mass Murder and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
Tony Greenstein’s unique approach to fighting antisemitism includes the accusation that “Zionist groups... are seeking to replicate what the Protocols described.”

Other Holocaust Falsifiers

Jacob Robinson, The Arendt Book: A Report on the Evil of Banality [PDF]
Morris U. Schappes, The Strange World of Hannah Arendt [PDF]
Gertrude Ezorsky, Hannah Arendt Against the Facts
Walter Laqueur, Re-Reading Hannah Arendt
Michael Ezra, The Eichmann Polemics: Hannah Arendt and Her Critics [PDF]
Seth J. Frantzman, Confronting Hannah Arendt
Hannah Arendt – whose mentor was a fascist collaborator – pretended that Adolf Eichmann’s ideology was Zionism rather than Nazism and blamed his Jewish victims for millions of deaths during the Holocaust. Her infamous book was repeatedly exposed as a litany of falsehoods.
Goal Pinto, The Specialist is Almost Entirely a Perverse Fraud
Anti-Zionist filmmaker Eyal Sivan produced a thoroughly misleading documentary on the Eichmann trial.
Alvin H. Rosenfeld, The Assault on Holocaust Memory [PDF]
Dave Rich, The Left and the Holocaust
Dave Rich, Holocaust Denial as an Anti-Zionist and Anti-Imperialist Tool For the European Far Left
Michael Ezra, The Abuse of Holocaust Memory: The Far Right, the Far Left and the Middle East
The extreme left’s Blood Libels about “Zionist-Nazi collaboration,” “the Holocaust industry,” etc.
Allan J. Lichtman, The Terrible Whys of German History
Richard Breitman, A Nazi Crusade?
The ideological fictions of historian Arno Mayer, who pretended that the Holocaust was an unplanned result of the invasion of the Soviet Union and that most of the victims died from “natural” causes.
Shraga Elam and David Irving
Anti-Zionists “Debate” Hitler’s Guilt
Anti-Zionist Shraga Elam sends a friendly message to Holocaust denier David Irving in which he denies Hitler’s responsibility for Auschwitz. Then he debates the subject with his fellow Israel-haters.
Paul Bogdanor, David Stannard, Ward Churchill and the Holocaust
Other far-left pseudo-scholars who publish falsehoods about the Holocaust.

the soviet pogroms??

Nemesis wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The Nazis and BNP!!!

Neither are left wing.


You also have left wing groups that are antisemitic

The national SOCIALIST workers party were definately left wing state socialists and the BNP have very left wing ideas too.


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100048409/100048409/


http://iaindale.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/why-bnp-is-left-wing-and-fascist.html



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100022233/the-left-wing-bnp-could-cost-labour-seats-at-the-general-election/

Oh dear here we go again.

Explain why during the night of the long Knives Hitler purged the party of any of it socialist supporters, if the Nazi party was left wing?

In your own time?

No doubt Matti is desperately searching google lol for an answer


Back later.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/075.html



Already answered that before dodge...

Nemesis wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
LW racist`s ? examples please

Stalin through his policies is a fine example of racism towards the Poles, the Ukranians and countless other ethnic groups that he ordered shot and sent to camps or moved whole groups of people to other areas of the USSR.

that would be i guess ethnic cleansing as you helpfully point out
so Stalin rule would be considered right wing extremism, just as the nazis were right wing extremist
Left-wing politics are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality for everybody not just one group or ethnic minority

Bollocks!

Ben_Reilly wrote:I actually think Dark doesn't care about racism or bigotry in general. If I'm understanding what he is trying to say, he doesn't think tribalism is a bad thing at all. Maybe he'll just come out and admit it someday ...

in which case you still cant wrap your head round my ideas....


of course I'm against racism and bigotry....

colour orientation and all the rest of it aught to be "transparent" .

However

I am also against "pandering" to the so called "needs" of various minorities

As labour did with that meeting
and in so many other cases

IT IS ENOUGH that a minority is not discriminated against in job prospects, courts of law and all othere general aspects of life and that they are free from the threat of harm, and hetred from individuals in the public...

there is NO NEED to go any further....

they are a minority...thats right ...MINORITY

therfore when they come here they accept and live by OUR law, standards etc...

IF they dont want to do that they should stay away

comming here and attempting to undermine OUR laws and standards IS NOT an option (or shouldnt be)

I would NOT stand to see a Muslim or coloured person abused in our streets (if i was sure he was being abused rather than an abuser getting his just desserts, but that applies across the board anyway..)

I WILL NOT accept that what was done at that meeting was right, proper or a way forward....

labours continuous "pandering and crawling" led to Rotherham and the rest.....

NO to discrimination
YES to Adherence to our values....good bad or indifferent....

Now if you are saying we should change our values to "accomodate " these other values then
fine ...lets have a majority decision on it

then (given the example of the meeting) we will go back to tallis bars, fully segregated schools, men downstairs women upstairs on buses etc.....

and if you are saying thats wrong then you are advocating an effective apartheid, with one set of rules for on group and different one for another......

EITHER...we have a common set of laws....or we dont....

choose.........

korban dallas wrote:

Nems wrote:I think, having read the thread
Game set and match to Darkness

New balls please

now there`s the nems i know and love

And why not ?! Im very lovable

Tommy Monk wrote:http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/075.html



Already answered that before dodge...

Er no you have not, again answer me why he purged the party of its left wing element the Strasserist faction?

korban dallas wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

Stalin through his policies is a fine example of racism towards the Poles, the Ukranians and countless other ethnic groups that he ordered shot and sent to camps or moved whole groups of people to other areas of the USSR.

that would be i guess ethnic cleansing as you helpfully point out
so Stalin rule would be considered right wing extremism, just as the nazis were right wing extremist
Left-wing politics are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality for everybody not just one group or ethnic minority

Man you are one thick c u n t.

There are plenty of points already made on left wing racism, Stalin is a prime example of left wing extremism.

Nemesis wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/075.html



Already answered that before dodge...

Er no you have not, again answer me why he purged the party of its left wing element the Strasserist faction?

Already answered that before elsewhere dodge...

darknessss wrote:Now if you are saying we should change our values to "accomodate " these other values then
fine ...lets have a majority decision on it

then (given the example of the meeting) we will go back to tallis bars, fully segregated schools, men downstairs women upstairs on buses etc.....

and if you are saying thats wrong then you are advocating an effective apartheid, with one set of rules for on group and different one for another......

EITHER...we have a common set of laws....or we dont....

choose.........

Is there any chance that the right is being ridiculously theatrical about this?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Er no you have not, again answer me why he purged the party of its left wing element the Strasserist faction?

Already answered that before elsewhere dodge...

Stop giving me lame excuses.

You have no idea do you, because the fact is the socialist aspect was only a selling point with Hitler to the populace, as his policies had little comparison to socialism.
I did a Thesis on Nazism, so please spare me what you know because you are only copying shit from other idiots making the same absurd claim.

Now one last time why did he purged the party of its left wing element the Strasserist?

Being anti pandering to minorities by the lefties doesn't make one right...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

darknessss wrote:Now if you are saying we should change our values to "accomodate " these other values then
fine ...lets have a majority decision on it

then (given the example of the meeting) we will go back to tallis bars, fully segregated schools, men downstairs women upstairs on buses etc.....

and if you are saying thats wrong then you are advocating an effective apartheid, with one set of rules for on group and different one for another......

EITHER...we have a common set of laws....or we dont....

choose.........

Is there any chance that the right is being ridiculously theatrical about this?

No, but there is all evidence that the left are being all slippery (as usual) about it

So you plagiarised an essay on the Nazis did you once...!?


So what?


Already answered that question elsewhere more than once...

Tommy Monk wrote:So you plagiarised an essay on the Nazis did you once...!?


So what?


Already answered that question elsewhere more than once...

OMG no I studied Nazism for part of my degree.

You failed to answer my question, so you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Stop wasting my time with things you copy off others not even understanding them

darknessss wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

darknessss wrote:Now if you are saying we should change our values to "accomodate " these other values then
fine ...lets have a majority decision on it

then (given the example of the meeting) we will go back to tallis bars, fully segregated schools, men downstairs women upstairs on buses etc.....

and if you are saying thats wrong then you are advocating an effective apartheid, with one set of rules for on group and different one for another......

EITHER...we have a common set of laws....or we dont....

choose.........

Is there any chance that the right is being ridiculously theatrical about this?

No, but there is all evidence that the left are being all slippery (as usual) about it

If it's a non-issue, how can anybody be slippery about it?

Already answered before elsewhere dodge...

Tommy Monk wrote:Already answered before elsewhere dodge...

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullshit

Your denial defense mechanism has obviously erased all record of it from your memory...

The fact is Tommy, if you claim to have refuted me before on this, then you should have no problem doing so now, and yet at every turn you avoid which means either the following.

a) You have no answer

b) You are stalling trying desperately to Google an answer, because you have no knowledge to refute this.

There is basic deduction for you.

I have no need to say anymore, as it is easy to expose someone who has not the first clue about Nazism like you

Didge, do you honestly not remember asking me exactly the same question about the longknives before elsewhere...???



Or are you a different 'Didge' this month!?



I mean, you couldn't even remember how many children you usually claim to have the other week when you flounced off flap...!!!