And the "sinister "hand of labour stabs again

Labour campaigners 'keep reminding Jewish voters that Tory candidate is gay in bid to turn them against him'

Mike Freer is standing for Conservatives in Finchley and Golders Green
54-year-old claims Labour backers have raised his sexuality with voters
Mr Freer is openly gay and married to partner of 23 years, Angelo Crolla
Labour candidate tells him to contact police with 'any evidence' of claims

By Mark Duell for MailOnline

Published: 14:01, 6 May 2015 | Updated: 18:41, 6 May 2015



Labour campaigners are reminding Orthodox Jewish voters that their party’s Conservative rival in a key marginal seat is gay, it was claimed today.

Senior Tory Mike Freer, 54, has spoken of multiple incidents where Labour activists in the Finchley and Golders Green constituency in north London allegedly raised his sexuality with voters.

Mr Freer - who is openly gay and married to his partner of 23 years, Angelo Crolla - said the apparent tactic was a ‘desperate’ attempt by Labour to win a seat which he is the favourite to hold.


He told PinkNews: ‘We got a phone call in the office from a lady who said she had been canvassed by the Labour party. She wanted to know if it’s true if I was gay. I said “Yes, it’s not a secret”.’

Mr Freer said some of his Jewish councillors knocked doors later on - and three residents said they could no longer support him because he was gay, after this was brought up by Labour canvassers.


He explained that he was ‘not surprised’ by the apparent conduct of the Labour supporters, adding: ‘If they are having to do this, it just smacks of desperation that they are not cutting through.’

The Tory, who is standing for re-election as the local MP after winning the seat five years ago with a majority of almost 6,000, is the 4/6 favourite to emerge victorious from tomorrow’s vote.
Labour rival: Sarah Sackman urged Mr Freer to contact police if he has ‘any evidence’ to support the claims, adding: 'That is the proper way to deal with this'




But he admitted that his 11/10 Labour rival Sarah Sackman - who has been reducing his lead in a seat where Margaret Thatcher was once MP - might be unaware of her team’s alleged behaviour.
It just smacks of desperation that they are not cutting through
Mike Freer, Conservative candidate


She told PinkNews: ‘Homophobia has no place in our society or in an election. I publicly support equal marriage and LGBT rights.’

Finchley and Golders Green has the highest concentration of Jewish voters in London.

The Daily Mail’s report on tactical voting revealed how the 8,000 people who opted for the Liberal Democrats there in 2010 could tip the balance this year, and urged them to vote Conservative.






Their desperation knows no bounds

"EQUALITY" it seems....is merely a convenient by-word when it furthers their purpose

Labour scum at it again.

Oh dear. Still, at least it's not Christians who are being accused of being homophobic this time.

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh dear. Still, at least it's not Christians who are being accused of being homophobic this time.

a welcome change..lol

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh dear. Still, at least it's not Christians who are being accused of being homophobic this time.

a welcome change..lol

Indeed. Nice to see you.

Raggamuffin wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

a welcome change..lol

Indeed.  Nice to see you.

thank you, nice to see you too, how are things??

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Indeed.  Nice to see you.

thank you, nice to see you too, how are things??

Pretty good thank you. How are you?

Raggamuffin wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

thank you, nice to see you too, how are things??

Pretty good thank you. How are you?

very well thanks, things going great and Jesus is watching over me..

A few observations:

If he's openly gay, why don't the residents already know?

He shouldn't be worried about people not voting for him because he's gay - they're not really worth bothering with anyway, and it's probably only a few.

What crime would have been committed? It's not against the law to state that someone is gay, and it's not against the law to decide not to vote for them on those grounds.

Speaking to Pink News about it makes me think that he's doing the same thing as the Labour campaigners are allegedly doing - making a huge meal of it.

Agreed ragga, but the point is labours two faced attitude

If YOU or I did something like this...they would be there screaming "bigot" and yelping on about "equality"

however they are so desperate they are abandioning their principles faster than rats abandoning a sinking ship

darknessss wrote:Agreed ragga, but the point is labours two faced attitude

If YOU or I did something like this...they would be there screaming "bigot" and yelping on about "equality"

however they are so desperate they are abandioning their principles faster than rats abandoning a sinking ship

I'd be interested to know how these Labour campaigners allegedly broached the subject, and what the residents said to them.

I'd love it if a campaigner knocked on my door and asked me if I knew that the Tory candidate was gay. I'd have a field day.

Raggamuffin wrote:

darknessss wrote:Agreed ragga, but the point is labours two faced attitude

If YOU or I did something like this...they would be there screaming "bigot" and yelping on about "equality"

however they are so desperate they are abandioning their principles faster than rats abandoning a sinking ship

I'd be interested to know how these Labour campaigners allegedly broached the subject, and what the residents said to them.

I'd love it if a campaigner knocked on my door and asked me if I knew that the Tory candidate was gay. I'd have a field day.

me too.....

Labour rival: Sarah Sackman urged Mr Freer to contact police if he has ‘any evidence’ to support the claims, adding: 'That is the proper way to deal with this'

She told PinkNews: ‘Homophobia has no place in our society or in an election. I publicly support equal marriage and LGBT rights.’



But he admitted that his 11/10 Labour rival Sarah Sackman - who has been reducing his lead in a seat where Margaret Thatcher was once MP - might be unaware of her team’s alleged behaviour.



I hope he does report it if he has evidence.

risingsun wrote:Labour rival: Sarah Sackman urged Mr Freer to contact police if he has ‘any evidence’ to support the claims, adding: 'That is the proper way to deal with this'

She told PinkNews: ‘Homophobia has no place in our society or in an election. I publicly support equal marriage and LGBT rights.’



But he admitted that his 11/10 Labour rival Sarah Sackman - who has been reducing his lead in a seat where Margaret Thatcher was once MP - might be unaware of her team’s alleged behaviour.



I hope he does report it if he has evidence.  

To the police? What would the complaint be? Telling people that someone is gay is not against the law.

and therein lies the nasty subtlety of this tatic......

oh labour is Soooooo....equal

darknessss wrote:and therein lies the nasty subtlety of this tatic......

oh labour is Soooooo....equal

What are you going on about now. It's wrong, she's said it's wrong and advised him to take his evidence to the police. Unfortunately Vic, the very story you put up shot down your point.

and sooo...inclusive

and isnt, of course in the least , now whats the acronym.....erm.....oh yes

SIXHIRB "Sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, bigoted"



caught with their pants down methinks...and their true colours showing...and it aint pretty.....

Oh dear Vic, oh dear, dear, dear.

risingsun wrote:

darknessss wrote:and therein lies the nasty subtlety of this tatic......

oh labour is Soooooo....equal

What are you going on about now.  It's wrong, she's said it's wrong and advised him to take his evidence to the police.  Unfortunately Vic, the very story you put up shot down your point.

Do you not think she said that because she knew there was no crime committed?

risingsun wrote:

darknessss wrote:and therein lies the nasty subtlety of this tatic......

oh labour is Soooooo....equal

What are you going on about now.  It's wrong, she's said it's wrong and advised him to take his evidence to the police.  Unfortunately Vic, the very story you put up shot down your point.

you know damn well how its worked.....

there IS no "evidence for the police to act
very clever.....

and so totally disingenious low and slimey its shameful...

dirty whispers in the bike shed time

and this from a party which is supposedly Oh so squeaky clean it feels it can throw rocks at the others.....
if it cant adhere to even its supposed core values.....how can it ever be trusted to govern....

it promotes segregation and pandering to minorities

and now it seems it is prepared to countenence bigotry against gays in order to garner a few votes....

i'd say thats pretty disgusting myself.....

Don't be silly, they are supposed to have told people. Therefore, he can get the people concerned to give evidence of it to the police. What's so difficult. Sorry Vic, but your OP shows itself up.

risingsun wrote:Oh dear Vic, oh dear, dear, dear.  

yes sassy ...oh dear oh dear...

stirring up the bigotry of others isnt in itself illegal is it (depending on how its done) but its a damn great moral stain on your beloved party..

BTW this is no surprise to ME at least....

remember I USED to be involved with labour quite closely a while back

seems nothing has really changed much.....

You are tying yourself in knots. I have encountered all kinds of crummy tactics and outright lies by Tories and UKIP on the doorstep. I'm afraid the story is mild in comparison and the candidate has done exactly the right thing.

risingsun wrote:Don't be silly, they are supposed to have told people.  Therefore, he can get the people concerned to give evidence of it to the police.   What's so difficult.   Sorry Vic, but your OP shows itself up.

now dont be deliberately obtuse in defence of the indefensible.....

there is nothing illegal in pointing out that someone is gay.....not yet anyway...

so no crime.....


that doesnt make what they have done in order to attempt to influence the voters any more moral.......

in fact its possibly worse since not only is it intolerant and bigoted....ITS ALSO disingenious and below the belt...

risingsun wrote:You are tying yourself in knots.   I have encountered all kinds of crummy tactics and outright lies by Tories and UKIP on the doorstep.  I'm afraid the story is mild in comparison and the candidate has done exactly the right thing.

so you approve of this then...now theres a turn up for the books....

I never thought your politics would overide your sense of moral rightness...

i am dissapointed....

risingsun wrote:Don't be silly, they are supposed to have told people.  Therefore, he can get the people concerned to give evidence of it to the police.   What's so difficult.   Sorry Vic, but your OP shows itself up.

Evidence of what? That someone told them the Tory candidate is gay? Where is the crime?

further then you would approve of me reminding people that a prospective labour candidate was

"you know ...new to these shores"

Did I say it was moral? I said it was wrong and it is. I hope they get jumped on from a great height if it's true. So you don't have a point I'm afraid. Bad apples will do bad things in all parties, really bad things in some, and canvassers are volunteers and cannot be policed every second. If they do something wrong all you can do is tell people to report it and jump on them.

Really, there are some canvassers around here from other parties that have pulled some real stunts and I expect their parties will jump on them too, well I hope they will anyway.

and yet.....

considering all the crap you have thrown at ukips "errors"

even when it has been shown that the leadership has acted swiftly and properly

gahhhhhh

UKIPs errors have been by their candidates, who they are supposed to have vetted. Not their canvassers.

And as I'm overseeing the local team getting people out voting tomorrow, I'm for bed. Night.

and I still maintain it is symptomatic , along with that segregated meeting, of a deep seated sickness in labour

a willingness to throw away its values according to circumstance...

what annoys me is the torys,ukip  are just as guilty of homophobic rhetoric and anti gay comments  
what about there "sinister" comments
lets face it there are arseholes in all the party`s who make these kind of comments

Try blaming the author`s of these vile statements instead of the whole party

for example Mr David Bishop, apologised "for the real offence caused" and said he would "not be asking anyone to vote for me on May 22".

"I recognise that someone standing for public office should show leadership and seek to unite communities, not divide them. I hope the residents of Brentwood South can forgive my lack of judgement"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27272907

lumping the whole labour party and saying the "sinister "hand of labour stabs again" is wholly inaccurate

darknessss wrote:and I still maintain it is symptomatic , along with that segregated meeting, of a deep seated sickness in labour

a willingness to throw away its values according to circumstance...

Well yes. One does get the impression that the Labour party and its supporters think they're more virtuous than anyone else.

korban dallas wrote:what annoys me is the torys,ukip  are just as guilty of homophobic rhetoric and anti gay comments  
what about there "sinister" comments
lets face it there are arseholes in all the party`s who make these kind of comments

Try blaming the author`s of these vile statements instead of the whole party

for example Mr David Bishop, apologised "for the real offence caused" and said he would "not be asking anyone to vote for me on May 22".

"I recognise that someone standing for public office should show leadership and seek to unite communities, not divide them. I hope the residents of Brentwood South can forgive my lack of judgement"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27272907

lumping the whole labour party and saying the "sinister "hand of labour stabs again" is wholly inaccurate

but we are playing politics Korben.....get with the game....

after all the UKIPpers have had to "take it" since whenever

and from a party that presents itself as the paragon of tolerance and virtue.......any slipping from those lofty ideals is fair game......

you are fortunate that I havnt been able to find a suitable "racist" remark to wave about too...or I'd have a hat trick

darknessss wrote:

korban dallas wrote:what annoys me is the torys,ukip  are just as guilty of homophobic rhetoric and anti gay comments  
what about there "sinister" comments
lets face it there are arseholes in all the party`s who make these kind of comments

Try blaming the author`s of these vile statements instead of the whole party

for example Mr David Bishop, apologised "for the real offence caused" and said he would "not be asking anyone to vote for me on May 22".

"I recognise that someone standing for public office should show leadership and seek to unite communities, not divide them. I hope the residents of Brentwood South can forgive my lack of judgement"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27272907

lumping the whole labour party and saying the "sinister "hand of labour stabs again" is wholly inaccurate

but we are playing politics Korben.....get with the game....

after all the UKIPpers have had to "take it" since whenever

and from a party that presents itself as the paragon of tolerance and virtue.......any slipping from those lofty ideals is fair game......

i agree whoever makes such comments are fair game victor
but i disagree the party`s whether tory or labour ,libs ect should be held culpable unless its part of the manifesto or they dont take suitable actions against the offender

korban dallas wrote:

darknessss wrote:

but we are playing politics Korben.....get with the game....

after all the UKIPpers have had to "take it" since whenever

and from a party that presents itself as the paragon of tolerance and virtue.......any slipping from those lofty ideals is fair game......

i agree whoever makes such comments are fair game victor
but i disagree the party`s whether tory or labour ,libs ect should be held culpable unless its part of the manifesto or they dont take suitable actions against the offender

do manifestos actually mean anything

I mean

ALL parties
a)fail to honour most of their manifesto pledges
b) do things they never even mentioned in their manifesto, but meant to do all along
and c)
are forced by circumstance to do different things anyway.....

manifestos are a bit like game plans drawn up by a drunk coach in the dark on the back of a fag packet.....

as said elsewhere...a case of voting for the shiniest turd (I love that)

korban dallas wrote:

darknessss wrote:

but we are playing politics Korben.....get with the game....

after all the UKIPpers have had to "take it" since whenever

and from a party that presents itself as the paragon of tolerance and virtue.......any slipping from those lofty ideals is fair game......

i agree whoever makes such comments are fair game victor
but i disagree the party`s whether tory or labour ,libs ect should be held culpable unless its part of the manifesto or they dont take suitable actions against the offender

Isn't it up to the voters to decide? All these things are generally reported at some stage, so the voters can judge for themselves if they want to vote for a party who has used underhand tactics or has done something they disapprove of?

The danger of course is that things might be misreported, and claims might be made that can't be backed up. The article in question is full of phrases like "it was claimed today", "apparent tactic", and "alleged behaviour".

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
i agree whoever makes such comments are fair game victor
but i disagree the party`s whether tory or labour ,libs ect should be held culpable unless its part of the manifesto or they dont take suitable actions against the offender

Isn't it up to the voters to decide? All these things are generally reported at some stage, so the voters can judge for themselves if they want to vote for a party who has used underhand tactics or has done something they disapprove of?

The danger of course is that things might be misreported, and claims might be made that can't be backed up. The article in question is full of phrases like "it was claimed today", "apparent tactic", and "alleged behaviour".

i agree rags it is up to the voters but the candidate should be the target not the whole party

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Isn't it up to the voters to decide? All these things are generally reported at some stage, so the voters can judge for themselves if they want to vote for a party who has used underhand tactics or has done something they disapprove of?

The danger of course is that things might be misreported, and claims might be made that can't be backed up. The article in question is full of phrases like "it was claimed today", "apparent tactic", and "alleged behaviour".

i agree rags it is up to the voters but the candidate should be the target not the whole party  

Yes. Parties like UKIP do tend to get the blame, rather than the individual candidates.

In this case, it's a bit late to do much about this alleged incident before the election.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
i agree rags it is up to the voters but the candidate should be the target not the whole party  

Yes. Parties like UKIP do tend to get the blame, rather than the individual candidates.

In this case, it's a bit late to do much about this alleged incident before the election.

Parties like UKIP do tend to have more of them but in there case NF the leader makes statements that are a bit much far too often
the only way to get rid of the bad apples is to remove them before they rot the whole barrel

Raggamuffin wrote:

darknessss wrote:and I still maintain it is symptomatic , along with that segregated meeting, of a deep seated sickness in labour

a willingness to throw away its values according to circumstance...

Well yes. One does get the impression that the Labour party and its supporters think they're more virtuous than anyone else.

And one doesn't get that impression from literally every other political party under the sun?

Isn't that kind of the reason political parties exist?

Back to the OP, this is just a claim. If a Labour candidate made a similar claim about a Tory rival, guess what the Tories would be pointing out? That it's just a claim.

If the claim turns out to be true, however -- horrible.

Oh, and prizes for the most melodramatic headlines I've seen here in a while are due to Dark. Truly Satanic stuff going on over there with your Labour Party

perhaps you should learn some english and its roots. I did point out the derivation of sinister in the other thread.

funny how excited the lefties get when its pointed out that their values are as "disposeable" as anyone elses when push comes to shove, that they dont hold the moral high ground, and that they are just as hypocritical as any other political stance.

In both the cases i made here it showes how desperate the left is to gain power and how easily it is prepared to ditch its values in persuit of that objective.

All their rhetoric of equality has just grown wings and flown out the door

From now on their "SIXHIRB" slur tactic can validly be returned in buckets.
Along of course with the clearly demonstrable "pandering".
Which as we know was a major factor in the perpetuation over many years of the goings on in Rotherham and elsewhere.

darknessss wrote:perhaps you should learn some english and its roots. I did point out the derivation of sinister in the other thread.

Oh, I noticed how excited you've been over the derivation of a word that is rooted in superstition. I think it says a lot, actually.

FAIL....

Besides good headlines sell articles dont they?

darknessss wrote:funny how excited the lefties get when its pointed out that their values are as "disposeable" as anyone elses when push comes to shove, that they dont hold the moral high ground, and that they are just as hypocritical as any other political stance.

In both the cases i made here it showes how desperate the left is to gain power and how easily it is prepared to ditch its values in persuit of that objective.

All their rhetoric of equality has just grown wings and flown out the door

From  now on their "SIXHIRB" slur tactic can validly be returned in buckets.
Along of course with the clearly demonstrable "pandering".
Which as we know was a major factor in the perpetuation over many years of the goings on in Rotherham and elsewhere.

Give it a rest you find as much intolerance on either right or left, even your arguments here are based on your intolerance of the left, which just ends up being one endless circle of hate and I fail to see what is right about that Victor.
Its time we started to see on both sides where this intolerance is and to speak honestly about this of which I agree with you, but not the way you go about this as it shows the same intolerance.