just sat idle n thinking

darknessss wrote:And NO Sassy posting picyures like that leaves me totally unmoved...

firstly I'm Immune to that sort of propaganda
secondly I didnt do it...so I aint gonna pay for someone elses misdeeds.....go show your propaganda to the corporates
thirdly   not my tribe
fourthly I spent half my life bringing up my own.....why should i be responsible for someone elses

Raggamuffin wrote:

darknessss wrote:And NO Sassy posting picyures like that leaves me totally unmoved...

firstly I'm Immune to that sort of propaganda
secondly I didnt do it...so I aint gonna pay for someone elses misdeeds.....go show your propaganda to the corporates
thirdly   not my tribe
fourthly I spent half my life bringing up my own.....why should i be responsible for someone elses

And you accused me of having no empathy ...

darknessss wrote:well now Ive had an "idea"

oh dear


it is well accepted that people leaving various countries can be as bad for the country they leave as it is (didges mythically) good for the country they arrive in

BUT ...we can, in our kindness, help alleviate this problem

since all these 100's of thousands of illiterate, uneducated and unhealthy wiafs and strays will INSTATLY be transformed into a productive eager easily exploited work force

we will have no need of the endless amounts of useless chavs and feral youth in this country ...so in return we will export THEM to the countries these "refugees" come from along with theidiot drunks pouring out of nightclubs and pukeing every where , clogging up A&E and generally costing us a fortune

we could even offer to neuter them first if that helps the recipient country.....

job done...

the population isnt increased   and we have hordes of willing workers to work on illegal low wages

veya_victaous wrote:Darkness is right to a degree
you need to make sure you have enough fiscally positive migrants to help offset the burden of creating new infrastructure
of course it should have been done already but you lot were lazy and decide to rest on your laurels, cant go back in time to fix that so going forward you need some richer migrants.

the problem is richer migrants have a choice and why are they going to choose a hostile community.. you will end up with poor workers but not the richer entrepreneurial types you need.

Nemesis wrote:So after showing the mindbogglingly ignorant victor that the US had as he calls them hordes of immigrants uneducated and illiterate and not able to speak English, in numbers that dwarf any immigration ion the UK, managed to help the economy of the US become the power house it is today. He still persists in some pathetic very weak argument he cannot back up and as shown falls apart when I use the model of where this has happened in the US.

Some people just hate being proven easily wrong with facts

veya_victaous wrote:

darknessss wrote:well now Ive had an "idea"

oh dear


it is well accepted that people leaving various countries can be as bad for the country they leave as it is (didges mythically) good for the country they arrive in

BUT ...we can, in our kindness, help alleviate this problem

since all these 100's of thousands of illiterate, uneducated and unhealthy wiafs and strays will INSTATLY be transformed into a productive eager easily exploited work force

we will have no need of the endless amounts of useless chavs and feral youth in this country ...so in return we will export THEM to the countries these "refugees" come from along with theidiot drunks pouring out of nightclubs and pukeing every where , clogging up A&E and generally costing us a fortune

we could even offer to neuter them first if that helps the recipient country.....

job done...

the population isnt increased   and we have hordes of willing workers to work on illegal low wages

you already do that  yes please neuter before you send the next lot
         

darknessss wrote:we have just had a couple of threads to do with this new class of "refugee" that the E.U in its wonderful wisdom is thinking of dumping on us in their 10's, 100's of thousands
the so called "poor"

apparantly being somewhat skint is now good enough reason to go and live somewhere else...

Now not withsatnding the rubbish didge came out with about how migration is good for the country  (and I wont be drawn into further discussion of that )

and acdcepting that this is in fact TOTALLY different to immigration  as we have ever had
because


these are the poor...so they willNOT be economical...

they WILL be illiterate
uneducated and
unhealthy

so they will COST

past examples dont apply here for obvious reasons


we never have had hordes of illiterate uneducated migrants to deal with before


THAT SAID

obviously I am curious as to how the lefties think we can fund this

where is the money going to come from

thats all I want to know

Ben has made one possible answer with investors...but I somehow doubt it

or borrowing

thing is that costs


so.......

who's paying


IF your answer in ANY WAY involves things like "the individuals here "

then you do realise you are justifying almost every thief there has ever been?

i'm poor...so i'll have some of yours...I dont deserve it since I havnt done anything to produce it....but i'm having it anyway......cos I is poor init

... a study by the Central European University called Unemployment Benefits and Immigration: Evidence from the EU, found that immigrants to the European Union are less likely to live on welfare than the native population.

Out of the some six million people claiming benefits in the UK, the DWP said in January 2012 that 371,000 people claiming working-age benefits were non-UK nationals.

It also added that among that number, 258,000 were non-EEA nationals.

Whitehall said the number of non-UK residents in social housing rose from 6.5% in 2007 to more than 9% in 2011.

However, research from the Equality and Human Rights Commission in 2009 revealed that migrants in the UK over the previous five years made up less than 2% of those in social housing.

stardesk wrote:First of all let me just say I'm not racist, ok? But let's bring this problem of migrants down to a more personal level. If there was a knock on your door and, when you opened it, several strangers pushed their way in, began eating all your food, lounging in your chairs, fouling the bathroom because they don't know what a flush loo is, grabbing your sheets and blankets etc, taking whatever took their fancy, you'd go bonkers wouldn't you.

Your house is part of a community, which is part of a town, which of course is part of the country. An influx of strangers, whatever nationality, creed and colour, are doing just that, taking advantage of our resources which most of us have contributed to, through tax and national insurance. How much longer can we keep up this support of people who have never contributed to the pot. The National Health is over stretched, there are many thousands of jobless Brits, our young are becoming outnumbered at school, housing is in short supply for those young married couples looking for somewhere to live. I could go on but will now sit back and wait for the guns to fire.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Dark, is it possible you're wetting yourself over a myth?

... a study by the Central European University called Unemployment Benefits and Immigration: Evidence from the EU, found that immigrants to the European Union are less likely to live on welfare than the native population.

Out of the some six million people claiming benefits in the UK, the DWP said in January 2012 that 371,000 people claiming working-age benefits were non-UK nationals.

It also added that among that number, 258,000 were non-EEA nationals.

Whitehall said the number of non-UK residents in social housing rose from 6.5% in 2007 to more than 9% in 2011.

However, research from the Equality and Human Rights Commission in 2009 revealed that migrants in the UK over the previous five years made up less than 2% of those in social housing.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-benefits-welfare-jobseeker-s-allowance-immigrants-462373


My YOU really are becomming as stuuuuupid as didge...how many times do I have to repeat it

THIS current idea is NOT the immigration of the past, you simply cannot apply the "rules of the past" to this.

I have never disputed that what we have had in the past has been in some ways beneficial, though everyone conveniently ignores the disbenefits it has brought too.

However, there is NO evidnce that the sudden introduction of  hordes of economicmigrants will cause anything but problems

1) we are STILL trying to solve the problems caused by the lefts last little "social experiment"

2)there is plenty of evidence to show that this last splurge did not in fact bring "sunshine and light" to the economy

3) There is good reason to think it has brought sufficient "disbenefits as to move the balance the "wrong way"




Does "poor" automatically mean "illiterate, uneducated, unhealthy"?

http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/educated_poor_021905.htm

darknessss wrote:arent you just

stardesk wrote:First of all let me just say I'm not racist, ok? But let's bring this problem of migrants down to a more personal level. If there was a knock on your door and, when you opened it, several strangers pushed their way in, began eating all your food, lounging in your chairs, fouling the bathroom because they don't know what a flush loo is, grabbing your sheets and blankets etc, taking whatever took their fancy, you'd go bonkers wouldn't you.

Your house is part of a community, which is part of a town, which of course is part of the country. An influx of strangers, whatever nationality, creed and colour, are doing just that, taking advantage of our resources which most of us have contributed to, through tax and national insurance. How much longer can we keep up this support of people who have never contributed to the pot. The National Health is over stretched, there are many thousands of jobless Brits, our young are becoming outnumbered at school, housing is in short supply for those young married couples looking for somewhere to live. I could go on but will now sit back and wait for the guns to fire.

Tommy Monk wrote:We do own this country and we have enough selfish and ungrateful immigrants here already who need to be fucked off out of it, not more piss takers thinking they can just turn up with a sob story and be looked after for the rest of their lives.
They got their own countries to live in... if their, fucked up it is because ed them.Tough titty!!!
It is up to them to work to improving it, not just think they can turn up here and ruin ours!!!
They need to be intercepted, towed straight back where they came from and their boats sunk.
Repeat process until they stop trying to take the piss.

Nemesis wrote:

darknessss wrote:arent you just

No you are you old bag of wind

Every time your argument is left flapping you clutch any inane point. Now you switch to Africa, where  you are so out of touch with reality it is beyond belief. Not every single African is with illness or in poverty, yet you make out as if every single one has. This ignores of course all other nations for immigration.
It is at best the most idiotic defense against immigration I have ever seen, because the problem to solve illnesses is to not allow  people to die from them but to help them. You benefit again from a great NHS system, none of which you created and yet think you have to right to dictate who can.

There is only one poignant thing left to say.

Fuck off you selfish idiot.

darknessss wrote:are you "an "other" then didgethat interesting freudian slip says a lot ???

so you will be happy for VAT at 30%Yes
taxes rising Yes
NI rising Yes
fewer still NHS facilities Complete bullshit
more crowded schools We will build more, dont be such a ----
more transmissible disease (like TB, HIV, etc) Scare crap again, we can help them which we should
and NO return for far longer than has been the previous case? More bullshit

Didge me old mate ...I what part of I aint really that bothered (except about the increased costs of things)
Tough shit, get used to helping pay back where we fucked over people before

since they will as is obvious from past experience merely go and make more city center hovels into bigger city center hovels
More utter bullshit and again making claims that are utterly groundless

and I dont give a rats arse about cities.....
Good then stop whinging

but if you cant see whats comming then hard luck......

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


No you are you old bag of wind

Every time your argument is left flapping you clutch any inane point. Now you switch to Africa, where  you are so out of touch with reality it is beyond belief. Not every single African is with illness or in poverty, yet you make out as if every single one has. This ignores of course all other nations for immigration.
It is at best the most idiotic defense against immigration I have ever seen, because the problem to solve illnesses is to not allow  people to die from them but to help them. You benefit again from a great NHS system, none of which you created and yet think you have to right to dictate who can.

There is only one poignant thing left to say.

Fuck off you selfish idiot.

firstly where are these "poor that the E>U is whingeing on about from......Africa....

secondly who is going to pay for the NHS to treat all these folks???

Its on its knees as it is thanks to both labour and tory incompetance

how do you expect it to cope(with hordes of incomming) without vast input of money? and where is that money going to come from....?????????

Tommy Monk wrote:Fuck off dodge you bell end!!! You talk absolute bullshit!!! These people have their own countries, to live in.
If their COuntries are shit that is because of THEM AND THEIR PEOPLE!!? We don't want any more immigrants!!! So They can fuck off somewhere else!!! It's a big world out there and We are only a tiny island. WE need to intercept, return to port they left from, sink boat. Repeat until they stop trying to take the piss. SImple!!! And effective. YOur solution just ruins us and encourages more to finish the job. 
KIlling the golden goose in the process.