Founder of Hizb Al-Tahrir in Chicago Abu Talha Calls to Instate Caliphate: Islam Will Not Coexist with Democracy

http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4882.htm

So of those who do not know about this group, please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir

It is also does not recognize the state of Israel and calls for it to be dismantled

This again highlights my issues with many religions. Here we have sect of Islam, who's goal is to dominate over everyone imposing their religious beliefs, you clearly as seen they have no interest in integrating or being a part of that nation this sect. It has a following in the UK, and is thus a very grave concern. You see here again with religion it provides a reason for people to believe in a discriminating system, where Muslims are held as the elite, a religious form of racial discrimination. Again with no evidence for this deity, they take their faith to rule over all others. So where is the bodies of Muslim groups countering this? It will be unlikely if any will do, being as this future they propose is based on their faith. Notice again this group play off fear of punishment in the after life, if Muslims do not follow what they state to be a religious obligation.

and you want to invite thousands more of them (which is another issue to what we are talking about on another thread)

AND since they are going to be "the poor" they will be illiterate and uneducated....

and therefore the very targets these terrorist groups seek out to radicalise

how many of your "welcome guests" will turn and bite the hand that feeds them???

darknessss wrote:and you want to invite thousands more of them (which is another issue to what we are talking about on another thread)

AND since they are going to be "the poor" they will be illiterate and uneducated....

and therefore the very targets these terrorist groups seek out to radicalise

how many of your "welcome guests" will turn and bite the hand that feeds them???

Seriously you do come out with some of the biggest load of crap
So because there is one million followers of this group, we should deny all other asylum seekers where they do not follow this then? 
So you basically are making a poor Nigel Farage argument, where he use criminality of Romanians as if to claim we should not have Romanian here and with you asylum seekers because of this group. A different argument which is about having asylum seekers at all, based off if some do wrong or hold views that will not want to be a part of our system. Which is miles removed from the debate on whether classifying poor will make the country third world and if due to this more would come here.
So your view is to make every asylum seeker culpable to the views of this group, even if Muslim or Non_Muslims. Again I am happy to help people that genuinely need help and support here. Where again you are lucky to benefit from the system here and only because of geography and elitism, yet you wish to deny this to others. Also you actually counter bad ideas like this group, who like you play off fear.

so didge...how you gonna tell one from the other????
eh?

Well  being as they have to declare many things about themselves, I doubt it will be to hard to know, where again you clearly do not understand the asylum process. Membership is not a secret and neither is the group banned.
Again the view is to show this group are wrong and clearly at odds with our society, I agree this is a concern, which needs tackling. The majority of British Muslims not in this group need to counter it, again another point I made.

Right really have to go.

All the best

you WHAT??

the "powers that be" dont even know the identity of 90% of the idiots who have gone over to isis in syria

dont tell me...you recon they will be able to "background check" these people..

you do make me chuckle


20,000 of em could come here and no one know....

moreover the point is that they may NOT be already involved.....

but once they get here they will become fodder for the islamist groomers

because they are uneducated and illiterate.......
and liable to beleive any old guff thrown at them.....

so then comes yet another un quantifiable but doubless vast cost...that of "safe guarding£ these people from the radicalisers....

start to use your (self declared) brain power.....

And yet again we have a wonderful master class by Victor just making things up again, being the fact we have intelligence service with an excellent record at preventing terrorist attacks who Victor just insulted based on complete bullshit.
Sorry if you are going to make idiotic claims, then at least back them up, but we both know you cannot because your post was complete rubbish
The biggest point that went over your teeny tiny brain is that followers of this group have no reason to hide this, being as the group is not banned.

Nemesis wrote:And yet again we have a wonderful master class by Victor just making things up again, being the fact we have intelligence service with an excellent record at preventing terrorist attacks who Victor just insulted based on complete bullshit.
Sorry if you are going to make idiotic claims, then at least back them up, but we both know you cannot because your post was complete rubbish
The biggest point that went over your teeny tiny brain is that followers of this group have no reason to hide this, being as the group is not banned.

well even you must admit that banning them would likely be a stupid idea......at least at the moment they are visible....

but its not just this group is it...


and as I have said earlier...with the best will in the world the intelligence service doesnt even know the identity of the vast majority of those nutters that have gone to join Isis.....do they
they may well be good, and have so far done a stirling job...but they are not omniscient....as we will find out sooner or later.....

No group should be banned, they should be monitored, which of course this group is at odds with our system and hence why a stronger counter message fro Muslims is important here.

Yes the intelligence service does actually know names of many of these nutters and works very closely with the EU funnily enough and all their intelligence services and the world on those. So again you are just making unfounded assumptions

Nemesis wrote:No group should be banned, they should be monitored, which of course this group is at odds with our system and hence why a stronger counter message fro Muslims is important here.

Yes the intelligence service does actually know names of many of these nutters and works very closely with the EU funnily enough and all their intelligence services and the world on those. So again you are just making unfounded assumptions

so why do we have the senior cops telling us they dont know the identities?????????

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:No group should be banned, they should be monitored, which of course this group is at odds with our system and hence why a stronger counter message fro Muslims is important here.

Yes the intelligence service does actually know names of many of these nutters and works very closely with the EU funnily enough and all their intelligence services and the world on those. So again you are just making unfounded assumptions

so why do we have the senior cops telling us they dont know  the identities?????????

Senior cops are not the Intelligence service and again this view is on people who have left to join ISIS

There is no democracy in Islam, there is only The authoritarian and totalitarian regime that is dictated by their guide book, the Koran... it is not something that allows question or debate, it is something that Muslims believe is perfect in every way and must be adhered to... or else...!!!